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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:34 AM
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Gore rules out presidential bid
Source: BBC News

Former US Vice-President Al Gore has ruled out a late entry into the 2008 presidential race.

In an interview with Norwegian broadcaster NRK, he said he would not run for the White House again.

Mr Gore told NRK he wanted to focus on his climate change campaigning, which won him a Nobel Peace Prize last week.

The beaten Democratic candidate in the 2000 election, he had repeatedly said he had no interest in a fresh bid for the White House.

Mr Gore told NRK it was a "great honour" to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his climate campaigning.


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7048370.stm
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:41 AM
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1. And all across the world...
Millions of people say "SHIT!!!!" and punch the nearest wall.


Dammit dammit sonofabitch.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:58 AM
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28. I'm one of them.
Please, Al...remember that God allows U-turns!
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:04 AM
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54. SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:40 AM
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92. And not to let CNN tell you that you are not running for president
when you never actually said just that. That being said, there is little time and it is beginning to look like it would take a miracle to get him in now.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:45 AM
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2. Okay, Senator Edwards.
Go get this thing.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:40 AM
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38. My thoughts exactly.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:24 AM
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102. What makes Edwards more qualified than the rest?
:shrug:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:50 AM
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108. for one thing, his health care plan actually makes sense
and he can win.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:47 PM
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114. He is the only 1 of the 4 who had the pres. election stolen from him that is in a position to avenge
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 01:49 PM by zonkers
this deed. Now Gore is out, it is one way the people can right part of the wrong. (on edit) I am not saying this necessarily makes him qualified but it does give him a certain battle-tested cache.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:55 PM
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I don't know if he's more qualified than the rest
But I find his policy positions FAR more preferable than the rest so he'll get my support.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #102
124. he's the only one who's talking economic populism
of the top tier candidates, that is.
he and his wife seem like great people.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:37 PM
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125. Al, just give us the sherman statement if you're not running
how hard is it?
"I'm not running in 2008."


If he's not getting in, we need to hurry and rally around the progressive alternative to Hillary, or else we're stuck with a James carville/Mark penn takeover of the party.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:39 PM
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126. Victory or defeat, there all the way!
Edwards 2008 DC or bust!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:47 AM
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3. Blah blah blah
Same non statement he's been making. Nothing new.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:23 AM
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8. This isn't a non-statement
``I don't have plans to be a candidate again,'' Gore said in a televised interview with Norwegian national broadcaster NRK that was shown today. ``I'm involved in a different kind of campaign, a global campaign to change the way people think about the climate.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXEFxaTnb2C0&refer=home

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:34 AM
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10. This is not a shermanesque statment as he made
in 2003. He has said both that he doesn't have plans but that he also wasn't ready to make a shermanesque statement. Whatever his reasons, he has left the door open. This quote is nothing new.

I'll wait for a statement from Mr. Gore made to the American people (not the BBC or Norwegians)that he definitively is not running. Until then, I continue to hope.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:52 AM
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11. Please Explain the Reference: Who Is Sherman and What Did He Say?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:56 AM
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12. "Sherman(esque) statement"
or "Sherman speech" is American political jargon for a clear and direct statement, by a potential candidate, indicating that he or she will not run for a particular elected position.

The term derives from the Sherman pledge, a remark made by American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman when he was being considered as a possible Republican candidate for the presidential election of 1884. He declined, saying "If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:31 AM
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13. Ah! Thank You So Much! I Had Heard the Statement, Didn't Know Who Said It!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:02 AM
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52. A nice way of saying "Not only no, but FUCK no!!!"
The last person I recall tossing that sort of verbiage down on national tee vee was LBJ....
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:40 AM
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15. Sherman Pledge not to run
A Sherman pledge is a definitive statement that a candidate will not run. General Sherman declined the nomination in 1884 by saying, "If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."

A Sherman pledge has become shorthand for classifying a statement from a potential candidate as to whether they really are out of the race. True Sherman statements include LBJ's dropping out in 1968. On the other hand, Gore typically says he has no plans to run which leaves open the possibility that his plans could change, or that he would accept a draft (not that a draft is likely any more since the nominations are wrapped up early in the primaries).
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:02 AM
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80. I will continue to hope as well
Having been in sales for the better portion of my life; one thing I have always known: No means maybe, and maybe means yes.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:00 AM
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47. That's NOT a flat no, is it? I don't have plans to go on the Letterman show next week,
but if Dave's booker called me, I'd be there in a flash!!!

I'm sure Al didn't have plans to head to Oslo in December, either, but circumstances certainly did intervene...!

I'm not taking that as a flat no, not yet!!
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:51 AM
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43. Good God give it a rest. He ISN'T running for president.
MOVE ON
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:08 AM
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57. No.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #43
63. Not until we find a candidate that's better than Gore
He's our best hope for 2008 - even today.
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:36 AM
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90. What does that mean?
Move on?


I saw that headline this morning and I felt a kick in the stomach. Then I read the article (on the front page of MSN) and saw that there was nothing new in it. The same old "no plans" routine.

This is not news. As of now, he is not running. He is still not running. He might decide to run -- and, most significantly, if he does run, it would be extremely dumb for him to announce it in an interview in Oslo. Everything he has done so far is consistent with his best chance for winning the White House. He stays out of the idiotic bullshit "race" that has been going on all year that has taken place entirely in the media.

The premise of a Gore candidacy is to avoid the mainstream media -- which will do what it has been doing for the last decade and a half: affirmatively helping the GOP.

This reasoning does not mean that he will run. But today's story means nothing, one way or the other.

It is a highly irresponsible headline -- but what the hell else is new?

Gore may or may not run for President in 2008. I hope he does. He might not. The optimum window to announce is early to mid November. We'll see.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:44 AM
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106. Announce a month and a half before the first primary?
Are you hearing yourself?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:50 PM
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115. I take it your a fan of the 600 day campaign season.
You do realize that this has been the most ridiculously long campaign in history?

Look up Dwight D. Eisenhower and see how he got elected and just when he announced that he'd accept the nomination.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:49 AM
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4. BBC News is as bad as CNN
BBC News describes Gore as the beaten candidate.

Germany reports the story as: Mr Gore who won a Nobel peace Prize last week for his climate change campaigning (SN Reported) told NRK that he has no intentions to run for president and would be concentrating his efforts on the aforementioned campaign.

When asked how the Nobel Prize would effect his political future Gore replied “I don't have plans to be a candidate again so I don't really see it in that context at all."

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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
25. The cheated candidate
not the beaten candidate
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #25
62. they should give him the Presidency back without an election
it is rightfully his
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:51 AM
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5. Still waiting for a Sherman statement--this isn't it...nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:04 AM
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6. the agony and the ecstasy -- at least that's over.
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ahyums Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:14 AM
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7. Misleading BBC headline
As I've said on the other thread this is nothing but a misleading headline by the BBC - and in any case does anyone truly believe that he would state his intentions one way or another in an interview on a Norwegian television channel?
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:28 AM
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9. Beaten? LOL...
As in receiving more votes than the other guy? No, he was "beaten" by 5 crooked Supreme Court justices who just happen to be friends of his daddy. :mad:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:05 AM
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19. The 'beaten' remark jumped out at me too.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:36 AM
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14. Sorry, but I'm not buying this. Disinfo at it's worst. nt
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 05:40 AM by TheGoldenRule
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:02 AM
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51. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:42 AM
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16. Misleading. Not definitive.
And he wouldn't state something so significant to some Norwegian press person.

Next rumor...
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:52 AM
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17. From Reuters
"I don't have plans to be a candidate again so I don't really see it in that context at all," Gore said when asked in an interview with Norway's NRK public television aired on Wednesday about how the award would affect his political future.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21339457/

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:35 AM
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68. The title of the BBC article is misleading...? That's my read... (n/t)
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Sufficient Voice Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:38 AM
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91. Exactly
You know it is funny how the news blew this up, like they can't wait for a Gore run to be swashed. Yet he made no formal announcement. He simply said again, 'he has no intention.' Not that he is not doing it. And to a really obscure source. I hope he doesn't listen to CNN if he does still want to run.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:57 AM
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18. good. He is making an impact in his enviromental work.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:10 AM
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20. damn!
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 06:12 AM by barbtries
damn.
edited after reading comments. there is still hope. yeah. amen
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:24 AM
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21. Well, a large number of us hoped for him to join
but alas, it is a no-go for Al.

Ugh.

I still contend that Al will be in a much more difficult position as a celebrity fighting for environmental awareness than he would have been as President of the United States making sweeping, significant changes.

I wish him luck and will support him in his endeavors.

Now, which of these other Dems shall I support? I'm so not excited by any of them.

Moving on...
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UGADUer Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:27 AM
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22. So we should stop looking dumb begging him to do something he won't do
and for that matter being proud that candidates are on the cover of Vibe (as if image is what matters...).
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:41 AM
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23. This is as Shermanesque as it gets.
No one since General Sherman has said anything as definitive as he did. But this seems definitive enough for me. He's not running.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:55 AM
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109. I disagree. THIS statement from Al Gore is "Shermanesque":
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/22/lkl.01.html

(from the Larry King Show on CNN, May 22, 2007)

KING: Let me get another call in from Lexington, Kentucky. Hello.

CALLER: Thank you, Mr. King.

Mr. Gore, given the foreign policy expertise that you have exhibited on Mr. King's show tonight and the expertise that you gave to the administration of President Bill Clinton, would you consider the secretary of state position in a Democratic presidential administration?

GORE: Thank you for your kind words, but, no.

KING: No cabinet position?

GORE: No.

KING: No federal position?

GORE: No. Not because I don't have the greatest respect for what an honor it would be to serve in such a position, but I have -- I have zero interest in doing something like that.


What he said in Norway is not the same.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:02 PM
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111. Yeah, and in that same transcript he flustered Larry King for not...
...actually making a real Sherman-esque statement with regards to the presidency.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:28 PM
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122. What about LBJ? n/t
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:45 AM
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24. You think the Gore swooners will believe this?
My guess is many will still be in denial.
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Islander Expat Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:52 AM
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26. I wonder who it is behind the scenes that told Mr. Gore he won't be running next year?
because they've already selected their person
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:56 AM
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27. It seems to me everytime he wants to talk about climate change,
reporters turn into a story about a presidential run.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:04 AM
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53. Many here and in Europe were accusing him of using "climate change"
to draw attention to himself, for his own political ends. The Nobel prize discussion thread on the BBC website had scores of comments of that ilk. I can imagine European reporters have been asking him questions along those lines and he feels he has to disclaim any connection between the Nobel prize and Presidential run...
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:02 AM
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29. Seems an unlikely way
to finally make the definitive statement.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:02 AM
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30. Actually, who can blame him? He'd be nuts to give up his life
as it is now to spend years cleaning up Shrub's mess. I don't envy the next president, whoever they are.
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:00 AM
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48. Yep - Oscar & Nobel prize vs dealing with Iraq, the world hating us.
He's happy, Tipper's happy, why would he change all that?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:58 AM
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97. I agree 100%







Peace
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:58 AM
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110. No surprise there.
Al Gore was raked over the coals once before. He won't set himself up to have that happen again. And, he feels his work educating people about climate change is more important than politics.

So he won't run this time. Maybe in the future...2012? 2016?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:07 AM
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31. If the future is in the global markets, if the corporations are going global,
if America is lost to the people, then maybe Gore should commit to a global environmental group and we should just follow his lead.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:09 AM
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32. I do not expect that Gore will enter the race for 2008.
I have been paying attention to Al Gore's work, speeches and statements over the past few months (and years) and I think it is now extremely unlikely that Al Gore will suddenly announce that he has decided to be a candidate for the 2008 Presidential election.

When asked directly about 2008, Gore makes it clear that he has no plans to be a candidate.

Al Gore interviewed for 01238 Magazine - Sept-Oct 2007

A recent poll shows that if you entered the presidential race, you would handily win the New Hampshire primary. Isn't that tempting?


GORE: Sure. But I am old enough and have been a candidate enough times to have a very high level of resistance to temptations of that sort. I trust my instincts, and it doesn't feel like it's the right thing for me.

But if you believe global warming is such a crisis, wouldn't you be more effective within the White House than outside it?

GORE: I'm under no illusion that there's any position in the world as influential as that of president. But it doesn't feel like the right thing for me to be a candidate at this point. I have had the experience of seeing how necessary it is to have adequate support among the people as a whole for the dramatic policy changes that are needed. It may well be that the best use of whatever skills and talents and experiences that I have gained is to concentrate on creating that sea change in mass opinion about this issue, so that whoever is elected will face a groundswell from the people themselves.

Will you endorse a candidate in the primary?

GORE: Odds are that I will.

Who?

GORE: I haven't made that decision yet.

http://www.02138mag.com/magazine/article/1485.html


I think that Al Gore wants to influence the debate over the next 12 months, leading up to the Presidential election. I think he will be an important and valuable supporter of the Democratic ticket, and an asset to the campaign of our eventual nominee. He is on the record as promising he will support the Democratic nominee in 2008 (as he has always done).

It's a real shame he is not running because in many ways he is the best person for the job.

But I think we should respect his decision and support his efforts to influence the national debate on the climate crisis and a whole range of issues.


Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Sign the Live Earth Pledge: www.liveearthpledge.org

Visit Al's site www.algore.com and read his blog http://blog.algore.com

Sign the petitions at www.algore.org and www.draftgore.com

Visit www.americaforgore.org and send your two cents to Al!

:kick:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:11 AM
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33. Here is what we know about Al Gore's plans over the coming months ...
November 27-29 - Al will be in England to address the "Leaders in London" Conference.

December 10th - Al will be in Norway to collect his Nobel Peace Prize.

January 22nd - Al will be in Sweden to receive the "Gothenburg Sustainable Development Award".

April 2008 - Al will bring out his next book "The Path To Survival".

None of this is really compatible with taking part in the Democratic primaries.

Many states have filing deadlines in early November (Michigan on October 23rd).

You can find more info here: www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/22/14553/2656


IN GORE WE TRUST :patriot:
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.americaforgore.org

:kick:
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:14 AM
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83. So how many of those deadlines have to pass...
...before people finally accept that he's not running?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:15 AM
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34. AP -- The actual headline is "Gore Says Still No Plans to Run"
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:52 AM
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44. THANK YOU UL-I WAS TOTALLY DEPRESSED ABOUT THE HEADLINE.
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 07:52 AM by mod mom
:hi:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. You're welcome. That NRK item is the same ol', same old non-statement.
:hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #46
60. yes..thank you UL..Still No Plans is not a sherman statement!!
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 08:16 AM by flyarm
And Al has said he was not prepared to make a "SHERMAN STATEMENT" in an interview..( sorry i can not find it )..

Al Gore knows about the draft Gore actions going on nationwide..

he understands a "SHERMAN STATEMENT"..as he has brought it up..and he made a sherman statement in 2004

this is no Sherman statement!

saying "i have no plans"..does not say "I will not run"..It does not say..don't try to draft me..it does not say,..Americans i do not want to be and will not be president.

Gore knows the deal..and he has not made a Sherman Statement...and he knows if he will not run ..he would make the Sherman Statement..

he has not..

and until he does..i will champion him running .

fly

oh and PS .."I have no plans" for the Christmas holidays yet..but i know i will be making plans sometime in the near future..just not today.......
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:30 AM
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66. I'm with you, flyarm.
I saw this article on Yahoo right before I clicked in to DU this morning and was disgusted when I read the headline and the first line of the article...."Gore has RULED OUT running for President..." and then the next paragraph gives his actual quote and it's essentially the EXACT thing he's been saying in interviews for months..."no plans".

I'm waiting for a DEFINITIVE statement from him.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
118. Aren't the rules, lock thread if not corrected?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:19 AM
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35. Are YOU happy, Maureen Dowd?????
Oh WHOREEN, we're still waiting for your snide comments. What's a matter Whoreen, no catty rejoinders???? I wonder why.....
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:33 AM
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36. Can we all just Move On?
Can't we all just pick one of the fine people that IS running (and be happy with that choice)?
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #36
40. amen

We have a great diverse group of candidates to be proud of as democrats.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #40
64. And a couple that simply turn your stomach BECAUSE they put the (D)
behind their name.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. Yes, I can pick someone now
However, since Hillary already has the nomination, it would be a waste of time unless I pick Hillary, which I won't. So, if Gore is out of the race, so am I, for the most part. I'll vote when the time comes and I'll even vote for Hillary but that's about it. I'm tired of second best, I'm tired of not being inspired, I'm just tired of the whole damn mess. I was relying on Gore to give me an infusion of enthusiasm.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #41
55. "I have no plans" is no different from any other statement he's made in the past.
There's no change here.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #55
103. C'mon, MADem, that was before Al won the Nobel Peace prize.
Everything changed after 10/12.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #103
112. It gives him added gravitas, and makes it harder for anyone to hit him on
Environmental issues in a general debate.

I am NOT ruling him in, and I am NOT ruling him out.

No plans means nothing more than no plans.

How hard is it to issue a one-sentence Sherman statement? It's not hard at all. Yet he hasn't done it.

This entire thread is based on nothing "new."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #36
73. who is stopping you??..not me...but you will not stop me from wanting the best person for the job
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 08:46 AM by flyarm
you will never convince me that Al Gore is not the best man for the job ..

you can't do it..no one can..and you can not make me stop begging Al Gore to save my nation ..by being my president..

and as for the other candidates..i say go for it..if you are happy with them..

i am not..not today and i won't be tommorrow..

If Al Gore tells me he will not, under any circumstances, be president..

then i will have to hold my nose..but i am not there now..and i will not be there tommorrow.


but i see no one stopping you from doing what you wish..so can you please move on ..out of my air space..and my Gore space..

i am not willing to hold my nose just yet..

and i have "NO PLANS TO DO SO'..as long as i have Hope the best man will run to be my President.

i do not understand why you want people to move on from the best man and leader this country could have...

and it seems you don't understand why many of us will not compromise.


so move along..you go compromise..

i never compromise...i always go for the best!

fly

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #36
99. Al needs to address us directly then
He needs to come out and say that there is NO WAY he's going to run. Otherwise, it isn't fair for him to be detracting from the others. So why would he allow the Draft Gore movement to continue?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:34 AM
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37. Too bad, but can you blame him? ..........
Who wants to inherit the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:42 AM
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39. I do believe that he'd accept a draft, however . . .
if the Draft Gore movement can get his name on all of the primary state ballots and raise enough money to get the word out, we'd have a race . . . not the sure thing that it would be if he announced, but not DOA either . . . there's a tremendous reservoir of support for Gore out there, and he DID beat Bush by a half million votes in 2000 . . . I just don't know if the grassroots have the skills and the money to pull off a legitimate draft, though . . .
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:49 AM
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42. So what does this really mean?


Norwegian NRK = Norwegian National Republican Kommandos = Karl Rove = Fox News of the North

It is all starting to make sense:

1) The Hit on Randi Rhodes
b) The Frontline Story on Cheney
iii) And Al Gore going Norwegian






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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. Misleading headlines do not change reality.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #42
56. It means nothing. He's said the exact same thing before. No "PLANS"
Ya know, about a month ago, I ended up travelling two thousand miles on a trip that I had NO PLANS to take. If you had told me two months, three months, a year prior that I would have ended up taking that trip, I woulda said "No way--you're NUTS...I have NO PLANS to travel to that location!!!!"

Shit happens. Circumstances intervene.
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #42
61. Can you elaborate?
I'm intrigued by your statement, but I'm not sure I understand it. Thanks.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #42
65. hey Botany..get over here with those thin mints..
dang you ..you got my mouth watering...

a small bite..and that first taste to hit the tongue..ummmmmmmmmm
i love them frozen..........




that was about the cookie...

my first taste of Al Gore ..well..brains..i love a man who has intelligence..

I love a man who out smarts those who have hurt him in the past..( media)

I love a man who stands for the good of all man kind...

I love a man with vision...

I love a man who will build his army without the masses or the enemy even realizing it..but it is a peacful army..


Thin Mints and Al Gore..two things in life , that make life worth living!!


fly..Run Al Run !!!!!!!!!!

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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:01 AM
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49. This should NOT be on DU's front page
OP's title is not title of AP article, and this is again the non-statement Gore has been making all along "I have no plans to be a candidate." Absolutely nothing new here, and much to dishearten if one doesn't look past the misleading header here.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #49
58. I concur, plus, it's BS. It's the same non-statement he's always made. No PLANS. nt
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momto3 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:01 AM
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50. Oh crap! eom
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:09 AM
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59. This is no different than what he's been saying.
In every occasion he speaks in present tense.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:33 AM
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67. OP TITLE WRONG! AP -- The actual headline is "Gore Says Still No Plans to Run"
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 08:52 AM by flyarm
THE OP TITLE IS WRONG..AND MISLEADING...........

THE CORRECT TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS..

AP -- The actual headline is "Gore Says Still No Plans to Run"

AP -- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hoTNke4PRAdPa-S92OW1NLX90fCwD8SASV380


THERE IS NOTHING NEW HERE FOLKS..

i find it disengenious to post a thread like this and take the Article out of context and put opinion into this posting..


the article also goes on to say:

quote:

"At a press conference last Friday in Palo Alto, California, Gore sidestepped the issue of a U.S. presidential run, saying then that he wanted to "get back to business" on "a planetary emergency.":

There is nothing new to what Gore said..nothing!!

fly


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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #67
70. Fly your link doesn't work & the OP title *does* match the BBC article title...
I believe the BBC article title is misleading. :thumbsdown:

No quote from Al - no good.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #70
76. thanks ..link fixed!!! eom
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #70
98. What??
Does the BBC want Hillary to win too??

Sheesh they seem no better than Fox Noise or CNN.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #67
71. AMEN - This is just Al's standard statement on the question....
...

Asked how it would affect his political future, he replied: "I don't have plans to be a candidate again so I don't really see it in that context at all.

"I'm involved in another kind of campaign. It's a global campaign to change the way people think about the climate crisis."

....

The only thing definitive here is the BBC's spin.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #71
100. "The only thing definitive here is the BBC's spin."
More effective, coming from a less frequently disgusting outlet, I think.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:36 AM
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69. No quote. No good. I'll believe it when I read/hear a quote from Al. (n/t)
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:43 AM
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72. He's only pursuing his passion
Mr. Gore is passionate about the environment, something he's studied most of his life. He's got the big cahuna in winning the Peace Prize and an Oscar for following his passion. Those wins validated he was on the right track.

Being POTUS to clean up the mess of the last 8 years is probably far less desirable.

If I were Mr. Gore, I'd be following my passion too!

Mr. Gore :yourock:

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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:45 AM
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74. Quote: "I don't have PLANS to be a candidate again...". Jeezus, what a ridiculous headline!
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:47 AM
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75. Edwards then

Only one I see who has any vision of changing this corporate run system....
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:53 AM
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77. Great.
Just fucking great. My last chance at voting for someone I really wanted to see in the White House (instead of voting against someone) rules out a run.

Now, chances are, my only choices will be Hillary (whom I absolutely loathe) and the greater of the two evils that the Republicans nominate. I could just fucking scream.

:mad:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:54 AM
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78. I note two things:
First, this has been Gore's standard line for at least a year now when asked about running.

Second, he said it in response to a question about how the Nobel Prize affects his plans. That is different from coming "out of the blue" with a declaration that he isn't running, or even that he has no plans to do so. He was asked and therefore had to say something, so he gave his standard answer.


People are reading too much into this statement. What else would he say under these circumstances? If he were about to run, he wouldn't announce it to the Norwegians first.

I contend that circumstances today are not different than yesterday. Gore is no more or less likely to run, and we have no new information on that topic as a result of his reply to a Norwegian questioner.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:56 AM
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79. hmmmf.
I didn't hear him say anything.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:03 AM
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81. Gore is a good man and he would have gotten my vote if he had decided to run.
At least some of us can put this behind us now, others...
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:27 AM
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88. Gore is a good man and he will get my vote if his plans change! n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:04 AM
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82. Just my 2 cents...
Though it saddens my heart, I do not, at this point in time,
believe that Al will run. He is on a 'higher plane' to change
the world's thinking about the environment on a global scale.
We all know that this issue is 'near and dear' to his heart.
IF he were to run, too many other issues that need attention
by a sitting president would cause the global environmental
issues to take a 'back burner' so to speak.
Al has moved past US politics and is trying to save the world.
Let's let him.

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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:16 AM
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84. He's not running... Get over it.
I don't mean to be unkind, but get over it.

I'm not talking the the original poster of this latest statement by Gore, but to all those who think Gore is "leaving the door open," would be open to being "drafted" etc. He's NOT running. Quit wasting your time on wishful thinking. Work for a candidate that is actually running. Quite frankly I don't blame Mr. Gore for not wanting to run. And as as much as I too would like to see AG run for the office he was cheated out of in 2000, the reality is that even if he announced he was running today, he would have no shot at a Democratic Party nomination that will be wrapped up by the end of February.

There are only 2+ months until the orgy of early primaries that promises to basically make campaigning pointless after oh January 30th or so. There is simply not enough time to do the ground work of organizing and campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire that would make a serious bid for the White hose possible.

He's NOT running. Keep loving AG and supporting his new campaigns and fighting with him to bring the world and this country to a better place. Just recognize that AG will not be doing his fighting from the White House in 2009. And why should he? It is OBVIOUS that he is able to get more done as a private, passionate citizen than the realities of washington politics, fund raising and lobbyist appeasing would allow - even as President.

Move on.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:22 AM
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85. Told ya so (n/t)
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:25 AM
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86. Everyone wants to read something into his words. I think it's pretty clear he won't run.
And much as I'm disappointed, I don't blame him.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:27 AM
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87. Get this off the front page DU!
It is misleading.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:34 AM
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89. It's funny reading the comments and noting who hasn't read
anything but the headline. :D


Same ole answer from the non-candidate. :loveya:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:42 AM
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93. So, when do you think he will announce his candidacy?
:hide:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:42 AM
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94. I just got an e-mail from one of our state Draft Gore leaders
Gore did not say anything different than what he's been saying all along. He DID NOT say he definitely wasn't going to run. Let's wait to see what he says tonight in Chicago.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. Very misleading titled thread also....
and sourced to the BBC, by an Obama supporter :evilgrin:

Nothing on the MSM this morning, so I knew this was another "false alarm". Al wouldn't do that to his supporters, especially from a foreign country.

:hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #96
104. Exactly!
:hi:
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:51 AM
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95. disappointed, but not surprised...
i think he's pretty effective doing what he's doing: working for real change & playing the elder statesman. i understand where he's coming from because i know many people wouldn't want to go through that meat-grinder - of running for president. i am very disappointed, though...
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:20 AM
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101. Celebrities who are under
intense spotlight from the press, the worldwide press, in this case, are careful not to make flat statements regarding personally sensitive issues. Mr. Gore made statement on his blog that are positions on issues not connected to climate change and read very much like campaign platform. We should wait for a 'shermanesque' declaration or off his supporters to stop what they are doing to be sure. A few days ago before the Nobel Peace Prize award, he issued a statement quoted verbatim that he is not 'ruling out' a run for president.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:43 AM
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105. This is not a new story
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:45 AM by JackORoses
He has said the same thing all along. "No plans" doesn't mean "absolutely will not"

I believe this to be part of the efforts by those who fear a Gore run.
They are doing whatever they can to convince us Al isn't running and Hillary is our only option.

Meanwhile, Al is releasing position pieces on issues other than the Environment..Presidential issues.

He releases 3 videos speaking directly to us, so they push News making it seem that he isn't running to dampen his growing support.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:45 AM
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107. The world sighs in dissapointment.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:12 PM
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113. Let the weeping begin.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:55 PM
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116. What?!? That's fucking bullshit. Come ON, AL!! RUN!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. The title of the O.P. is a lie,
Between the Nobel Peace Prize and the record drought in the South and West waking the people up the looming catastrophe of global warming, his popularity is growing and the media are in panic mode trying to nip any possible Presidential run or draft in the bud.

He never said he was ruling it out.

Click on the link and read the actual quotes attributed to him, there nothing different than what he has been saying.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:05 PM
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120. Yes, there is nothing different than what he has been saying.
He's not running, and he's been saying that for several years.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:55 PM
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119. Too bad, but hardly unexpected.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:48 PM
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121. Here's a blog entry I did on these misleading headlines
back on February 18, of this year:

http://algoredotorg.wordpress.com/

A strong rightward shift in ABC News (and The Note) has been discussed and documented by writers like Eric Boehlert, for example in his fine book Lapdogs, How the Press Rolled Over for Bush.

Al Gore represents a nightmare scenario for the right. If he runs, for example with Obama as VP, he could be well nigh unbeatable. Even a well known Gore-o-phobe like Chris Matthews admits as much.

It serves right wing interests to repress the emerging draft Gore movement. Obama at the top of the ticket will allow them not only to attack his middle name (Hussein) but to question his national security credentials in an uncertain time. And Clinton allows them to muddy the water on Iraq because of her ambivalence about the invasion (e.g. unlike Edwards, she has refused to apologize for her vote. Gore at the top of the ticket solves all aforementioned issues and provides a gravitas on national security and the climate crisis unrivalled by any Democrat alive today.

So repressing the draft Gore movement is a plus for the right. ABC News recently played along with that agenda by promoting the idea that Gore has recently ruled out a run in 2008:

http://www.bc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1850162.htm

Unfortunately it was even picked up by the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/topics/al+gore

All of it is silliness. Reuters made the same gaffe recently and was quickly debunked by Gore’s spokesman, as quoted in the Huffington Post (after they had repreated the gaffe in the Reuter’s instance as well):

“Absolutely nothing new,” Gore spokesman Michael Feldman said of the report. “He’s been saying the same thing for six years - that he’s not running but has not completely ruled it out - and depending on where he is, it’s reported differently.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/01/16/huffpos-melinda-henneber_n_38770.html

So now ABC is spreading more of this cyclic misinformation.

You know what? Having to fight the “mainstream” press again is no big deal. Once you learn to anticipate journalistic malpractice at every turn, you learn to adapt. Like coastal residents who are experiencing rising hurricane insurance rates, it simply re-inforces the sentiment in the public that the system is broken. That sentiment, fortunately, fuels our movement.

So spread the word. As no clear frontrunner emerges in the Democratic race and as Gore keeps his powder dry, we can expect more journalistic malpractice from the likes of ABC News.

Here’s my tally: two major instances in this cycle of right-wing-favoring disinformation on Gore’s potential candidacy status so far (Reuter’s in Tokyo, ABC News in LA). And counting.

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:35 PM
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123. Fuck!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:11 PM
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127. These are the same words he's said all along. "No plans..."
Though, I do take him more seriously as the days move forward.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:42 PM
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128. But he wasn't beaten. He won the Presidency. n/t
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:48 PM
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129. hopefully he isn't giving up on politics..
Asked how it would affect his political future, he replied: "I don't have plans to be a candidate again so I don't really see it in that context at all."

He could still run for Governor of Tennessee or President if Hillary drops out. He shouldn't rule out anything, and never stop searching for ways to expand the government's role in protecting the environment. He doesn't have to run for President or Congress again, yet state government can make a substantial difference by limiting the clear cutting of forests on private land and opening more nature parks.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:57 PM
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130. WE'VE BEEN HAD! GORE DIDN'T SAY THAT!
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:07 PM by AndyTiedye
Just the same "no plans" as before.

Plans can be laid very quickly, and I sure hope that they are doing so as we speak.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:03 PM
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131. Gore is The ONLY One Who Can Get His Message Out Without the "News" Media
All of the others are totally dependent on the MSM to get their message out.
They will have to spend all their money defending themselves against the lies of the Mighty Slime Machine and never be given a chance to do anything else.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:56 AM
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132. sh-t. say it ain't so. nt
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