Zogby Poll: Half Say They Would Never Vote for Hillary Clinton for President

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Source: Zogby International

Other top tier candidates in both parties win more acceptance; Richardson & Huckabee favored most


While she is winning wide support in nationwide samples among Democrats in the race for their party’s presidential nomination, half of likely voters nationwide said they would never vote for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a new Zogby Interactive poll shows.

The online survey of 9,718 likely voters nationwide showed that 50% said Clinton would never get their presidential vote. This is up from 46% who said they could never vote for Clinton in a Zogby International telephone survey conducted in early March. Older voters are most resistant to Clinton – 59% of those age 65 and older said they would never vote for the New York senator, but she is much more acceptable to younger voters: 42% of those age 18–29 said they would never vote for Clinton for President.


Read more: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1376

[WillParkinson]

1. I would vote for her...

But like I've done in the last several elections I'd pretty much have to hold my nose.

Unfortunately I don't care for any candidate for office lately.

[Yupster]

11. Same here Will

I'll vote for her but she isn't in my top three choices.

[slackmaster]

61. Half of me says I'd vote for her

:argh:

[ginchinchili]

2. Finally, the polls are beginning to confirm what many of us have been warning

There's too much animosity toward Hillary for her to win in a general election. It's not too late for Democrats to change course. A Hillary Clinton nomination would be throwing the dice when we simply cannot afford to gamble. This election must be won by the Democrats and there are better qualified candidates to do that. Hillary is a strong senator for New York. That's what she ran on when she ran for senator of that great state, and that's what she should be. If she was sincere in her appeal to New Yorkers she owe them more than just one term. She should want more than just one term. That is if she's in politics driven by a passion for serving the people. She just doesn't have the broad based appeal that's necessary to win the presidency.

[Neshanic]

4. Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Do not go there.

[allisonthegreat]

6. why i couldn't of said it better myself!!n/t

[bonito]

10. Spot on!

[Fovea]

24. Al Gore, John Kerry, Max Cleland, Ted Kennedy,

Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Michael Moore, Paul Wellstone... and the list goes on back to Jimmy Carter.

What do these people have in common?
The Democratic party pretty much let the right wing noise machine
drag them through their manure. We virtually threw a couple of them under the bus for them.

I would sincerely like to hear now how RahmCo and Pelosi Inc. plan on stopping that from happening to a candidate with real high negatives to start with? What new found spine, what hitherto fore well hidden aggression will neuter Faux Snooze's well oiled RNC machine?

For Hillary to win, a whole new level of fight will have to come to the fore oh, about a year ago. Because they have been working their sleeze on her since 1991. Unless the DLC has the mother of all sucker punches saved for a rainy campaign, foggetaboutit.

[aquart]

26. What bloody nerve.

How many of those negatives were in New York? Does it break down by state? We're fine with her. Don't you dare speak for us.

[loudsue]

45. I think the survey quoted speaks for a great many of us.

That's why this thread....

[harpboy_ak]

51. Don't YOU dare speak for ME

How many of those negatives were in New York? Does it break down by state? We're fine with her. Don't you dare speak for us.

WE? US? Who made you Queen?

I'm one of the many REAL Democrats that are NOT "fine" with Ms. Triangulation, who lets focus groups decide what safe things she should say, who wants to keep insurance & drug companies in the health care loop, who still supports keeping our troops in Iraq. SORRY, THAT'S NOT "FINE" WITH MANY, MANY OF US.

We've had it with the Rahm Immanuel, Terry McAulliffes, and all the other DLC corporatists shilling for the "inevitable" coronation of Hilary. It's time for REAL leadership, not the leadersheep we have now. At my local caucus in February, I will stand in ANY corner but hers.

And I don't want Hilary to have the power that Cheney & Bush have grabbed any more than I want the right wingnuts to have it.

ANYBODY BUT HILARY. At least Dodd and Biden are willing to filibuster to defend our Constitution. I'm waiting to see if any other candidates to join them.

[SquireJons]

59. There in lies the problem.

It's one thing to support another candidate. But it's another thing entirely to take your toys and go home when you don't get what you want. With "REAL (stupid) Democrats" like you, we can count on the pugs dominating the executive branch for the rest of my life.

Excuse me now, I need to go practice singing "Oh Canada." I want to make a good impression when I have to make a run for the boarder thanks to "democrats" like you.

[Ken Burch]

87. Give me a break. You know perfectly well it's not a choice between Hillary or exile.

We can win with a progressive nominee. We don't have to have a triangulating militarist. Vote your hopes, not your fears.

We never need to settle for a DLC'er again. We're free of that now.

[harpboy_ak]

93. Don't put words in my mouth

I NEVER said I was going to "take my toys and go home". Why are you lying about what I said? It's folks like you that got us John Kerry so that we could lose the last election, instead of a real winner like Howard Dean, who could have won, even if his scream was ridiculed by Faux News and Rush Lamebrain.

Not that my vote ever counts, because the election is usually decided by the time Alaska's polls close, and because Alaskan Dems are soooo outnumbered by the right wingnut oil patch rednecks that never went home after the Awl Boom. Yet another reason why we need to abolish the stupid Electoral College.

I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, but I sure as hell won't be happy if it's another DINO like Hilary. And as I said, I sure won't be in her corner at my caucus, and I hope Alaska sends a non-Clinton delegation to the convention.

[lostnotforgotten]

44. I'll Never Vote For A Bush War Enabler - Case Closed - 'Nuff Said

eom

[JeanGrey]

91. I'm sorry but I will never vote for her, either. She is just Bush lite.

I've not been on here long, but I can tell you that not ONE of my democratic friends will vote for her. Not ONE. And I don't have to tell you that the righties won't vote for her.

I think the level of hatred that some people hold for the Clinton's is being greatly underestimated.

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. I refuse to allow Rove's-smear-job dictate who I choose for president

And anyone who is smeared as much as Clinton has by the right-wing-smear-machine will also have those low numbers. Get real. It is not Clinton. It is the neo-cons.

[CANDO]

70. They will smear whomever we nominate.

But don't assume those of us who are not Hillary supporters have fallen for Rove's strategy. I think she is a classic triangulator like her husband. He ran as a liberal and then governed as a moderate Republican. With Hillary running as a moderate Democrat, I am very worried by her past as a "Goldwater Girl". I think she will put many a conservative to shame by being more conservative than they ever dreamed.

[surfermaw]

78. CANDO I'm with you on to far to right

Edwards is the moderate, we need.

[CANDO]

86. Yes, I like Edwards also.

Gore would be my first choice, but it appears he won't be running. Edwards/Obama ticket would do me just fine.

[bigworld]

71. And if Bloomberg enters the race

I think he'd win if Hillary was the nominee.

[jody]

3. IMO on-line surveys are not good samples of a target population. n/t

[papau]

5. An "internet" survey is compared to a "telephone" survey - Other telephone surveys disagree with

this internet survey - the last week in Sept Wash Post/ABC survey of the same question showed 44% "never" - which was lower than any of those running on the GOP side.

[Ronnie]

67. Exactly.

A lot of people who don't have (or want) internet access are not included in this 50%. I can think of at least 20 people like that, Hillary supporters all.

[NotGivingUp]

7. You can count me in that 50% n/t

[qanda]

8. Count me in too

[EndElectoral]

68. I've voted Dem since JFK...If HRC is nominee, first time I could not vote Dem

[aquart]

25. Really?

If the woman Hillary Clinton is the choice of the majority of Democratic voters, which would make her the Democratic candidate, YOU would ignore the party's choice and ...what...? Leave the presidency slot blank? Vote the religious right third party candidate? Vote for Ralph Nader? Vote for Rudy Giuliani? What spiteful, childlike tantrum will you have in the voting booth because you can't get your way?

Justice Scalia thanks you in advance.

[WillParkinson]

46. Wow...

A person is entitled to vote for whomever they choose. Because you do not agree with them does not mean they are spiteful or childish.

In the past several elections neither the Democrats or Republicans have fielded a very strong candidate. Hence the reason why the races have always been so close and contentious.

The last president that I was proud to vote for was Bill Clinton.

If any party (except for the Republicans because I find I could never side with them on almost any issue) had a candidate that was closer to my core beliefs I would vote for them. And if they don't win I'll feel bad, but I refuse to feel badly because I don't do a party-line vote and put someone in there because they have a (D) next to their name.

[NotGivingUp]

63. I decided to delete my original post since WillBowden said it all. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

65. How about writing in

a TRUE Democrat's name? Didn't think of that one, did ya?

[AngryOldDem]

73. Can it.

Give me a better reason to vote for HRC other than blind party loyalty.

Take your time; I'll wait.

By the way, I intend to look at ALL the candidates before making a choice, that is, IF I have a choice to make when it's all said and done.

I think I deleted that Zogby poll by accident, and believe me, had I taken it, the number would have been a statictical nano-point or so higher.

[Yael]

9. I would have a hard time. A really hard time.

[Emillereid]

12. This confirms what I've been experiencing - she has too many negatives.

I think it would be suicidal of the democratic party nominate her. It's not only republicans and independents either -- a lot of progressives I know claim they won't vote for her. Good god, why does the democratic party always seem hell bent on self-destruction. We have got to convince Gore to run. Our next best bet is probably Edwards. I also wish Dodd would get the notice he deserves. Hillary may have the machine -- but she also has too much baggage.

[katsy]

13. Can't wrap my brain around this poll.

59% of retirees would never vote for HRC?

She's not my 1st choice for a nominee but I have managed to just barely survive these past 7 years of *bush. You can bet I'll vote for any Democrat over any republicon. Where the hell have these people been during this nightmare?

What a nightmare this country is becoming. Maybe a blow job blew out people's brains. Morans. Yes, go ahead and help ghouliani win - then you'll be falling through more than some script drug donut hole. There's never a shortage of ignorance in 'murika.

[PSPS]

14. I'm not a big HC fan, but these 'interactive' zogby polls are meaningless.

There's can't be any scientific validity to a poll where the subject opts to take the poll.

[Quixote1818]

17. People can opt out of phone polls too

They either don't answer or they refuse to participate.

It may be a little less reliable than traditional polling but Zogby knows who is Democrat and who is Republican, where they are from, what there voting patters are etc. He can crunch those numbers and probably be pretty accurate.

This isn't like an AOL poll where they have no data on who is participating.

[Isere]

34. There isn't any validity.

Not worth a bucket of warm spit.

[Quixote1818]

15. Edwards and Obama should take this an run with it

I like Hillary and thought she could win but this scares me away from her in a big way.

[Quixote1818]

16. This is going to scare the hell out of Hillary

She is probably cussing up a storm right now. Bad polling will collapse her Democratic poll numbers if word gets out.

[Froward69]

18. Parish the thought!

:evilgrin: :sarcasm: :popcorn:

[allisonthegreat]

83. interesting combination...it could work! n/t

[Bitwit1234]

19. I think we really really have hidden Republicans posing as democrats on this list

we have them in congress, you know those call blue dogs. They must have infiltrated this journal.

[Psephos]

21. You're the first suspect with a purge-the-ranks statement like that n/t

[patrice]

36. Yep. nt

[customerserviceguy]

20. Count me as one who will never vote for her

She will NOT get us out of Iraq--period. No apology, no admitting a "mistake" in voting for the blank check for Chimpy--the only possible way she can win is if Ghouliani gets the Repuke nomination, the fundies will never vote for him.

[Isere]

35. If she is the nominee

and you won't vote for her, then please don't come 'round to demoralize those who want a Democrat in the White House.
I'll be voting for the Democrat in '08.

(This is Democratic Underground isn't it?)

[customerserviceguy]

74. Oh, she'll win...

but she won't get my vote in the process. I need to send her a message that Iraq is a top priority, and I can best do that by voting for an antiwar third party candidate. Besides, here in NY, she can't possibly lose, even if Rudy is the Repuke nominee, so my third party vote won't even threaten her. Now, if there are a LOT of votes for such a candidate out in the rest of America, it would send a message. Ross Perot did that in 1992, his vote made Bill Clinton a lot more miserly with Federal spending.

If we really don't want to have Nancy Pelosi Part II, then we need to let our Party's leaders know that they are not the automatic recipients of our votes. The fundies have Rudy's panties in a bunch right now because they're not afraid to excercise their clout, why should we be afraid to use ours?

[MissDeeds]

22. This should be no surprise to anyone on DU

Look, whether one is "pro Hillary" or not, we cannot escape the fact that many voters simply will not vote for her. Period. This is an election that we must win. We cannot afford to nominate a candidate that so many within our own party dislike. We have seen this first hand time after time here on DU. Threads with "Hillary" in the subject line quickly become debate forums.
If we, as a party, are divided about the candidate, how can she represent us?

Senator Clinton may be an effective representative of her district in New York, but we need to have someone go into the general election who unifies voters. This election is crucial to not only our party, but to our country and, dare I say, the world. We must put forth someone who represents the majority of Democratic voters, and can win. The stakes have never been higher.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

37. it is a concern

[Faux pas]

50. Excellent points, rational and well expressed. I agree 1000%. n/t

[Quixote1818]

23. Some track records of Zogby online polling. (pretty good)

Zogby scoffs at the critics noting how his firm fared in the 2004 presidential election. Zogby Interactive called 17 of 20 states correctly (it missed the tight races in Ohio, New Mexico and Iowa). Nationwide, Zogby Interactive's poll had George Bush defeating John Kerry 50 percent to 49 percent; the final was 51 percent to 48 percent.

Last year in the Virginia gubernatorial race, Zogby Interactive's Internet poll picked Democratic Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine to defeat Republican Attorney General Jerry Kilgore by 48 percent to 46 percent, and the final tally was 52 to 46. In New Jersey, Zogby Interactive projected Democrat Jon Corzine to win over Republican Douglas Forrester by 51 to 44, very close to the actual results of 53 to 44.


Link: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_8_27/ai_n16753942/pg_1

[msongs]

27. ONLINE survey? yeah CNN does those too nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

62. This is different to CNN's "click this button here" online votes

From the Zogby site:

"A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the US, was invited to participate. Slight weights were added to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 1.0 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups."

I am signed up for a similar 'online panel' with a polling group in the UK. What they do is, every so often, send an email saying there's an online poll going on - they don't say what it's about until the ask the questions (and they often but both political and market survey questions in the same poll). They have already got my basic details of age, income, area I live etc. to put me into groups, so they can see if the people answering the poll are a decent sample. As the above quote indicates, they may then adjust the weights of the answers they get to get a representative balance.

In some ways, this is more accurate than a phone poll. When I have been phoned to take part in a poll, I have more often than not declined, because it wasn't convenient at the time. The online poll, however, can be done at a time convenient to you, over a period of maybe a couple of days - which means they may get a wider spread of people, given how busy many people are these days. Against that, there are some people who don't use the internet (more than don't have a phone, or are never the person in a house to answer it), so they are excluded from the online polls.

But this is way more accurate than CNN's "here's a question: tell us what you answer" votes - which just get DUed, freeped, swamped by special interest groups etc.

[Hulk]

28. She scares me...but the US voting population scares me 100 times more...

She's not my first choice. She's not even my second or third choice...but faced with this neocon fascist administration we are in...I'd vote for her in a heartbeat over ANYONE with and "r" after their name.

We've been there. Since the days of Nixon, this country has been in a downward spiral, and the masses have been raped by the rich and corporation world. They are too busy trying to feed their families and stay alive to worry about the fate of their country.

Meanwhile, the fascists have slaughtered their children by sending them to oil wars, canceled their children and grand children's futures by bankrupting the country to line their pockets with soon to be worthless dollars, and we've been told to mind our own business, go shopping, and be very afraid so that they will continue to put us into bed each night.

This country really is going down the toilet. Hillary would stop the hemorrhaging, but we would continue to bleed.

[someone else]

29. No vote for her in the primary

If she wins the nomination, ya almost have to vote for her in the general.

[SlingBlade]

30. Yea, According to his polls

Kerry should be President now.

Why should anyone anywhere ever pay attention to another poll again.
That should have been the end of the polling business:puke:

[cstanleytech]

31. It's my vote and my decision though

in the end just like everyone else. I might vote for Hillary or I might not in the primaries and I might vote for a republican when its all said and done, doubt it of course because so far most of the republicans running scare the hell out of me but I might.

[knight_of_the_star]

32. And waiting for it

Wait look, NONE of the HRC folks are on this thread yet. What a shocker.

[juajen]

39. I don't know about anybody else, but, here I am, and, I did not

post before because there seemed no need. Most of the people posting do not like Hillary and nothing we can say will change their minds. People will have to vote as they see fit. I believe that the Zogby poll flies in the face of other polls that have been posted. We will have to wait and see who's right. I am not going to repeat what all of you know. Everyone who has posted knows what will happen if they do not support the democratic ticket. What? You're going to stay home or not vote dem and then get on here and say you were right; that Hillary couldn't win. You're a bunch of nuts. So, do it and hasten the end of this democracy. Perhaps we all need to be put out of our misery. At any rate, I will not be posting on any more of these threads. It's futile.

BTW, I have posted not one word against any other candidate. I believe they all have merit and wouldn't think of putting them down to try and gain an advantage for Hillary. It's too bad others can't do that.

[patrice]

33. I'm scared she'll bring a Red Congress, whether she wins or loses. nt

[Divine Discontent]

38. K&R

Hello American Democrats - 6 out of 10 seniors would NEVER vote Hillary and half the country polled by Zogby say the same thing!

Looking at the percentages, and seeing Richardson & Obama with such low "NEVER!" negatives is sorta surprising (both being minority), and then John at 42%. I believe Huckabee is a threat to a Dem. getting in the White House because of conservative GOPers potentially swinging his way instead of Romney who far more Dems and Independents would never vote for.


Whom would you NEVER vote for for President of the U.S.?
%
Clinton (D)
50%

Kucinich (D)
49%

Gravel (D)
47%

Paul (R)
47%

Tancredo (R)
46%

McCain (R)
45%

Hunter (R)
44%

Giuliani (R)
43%

Romney (R)
42%

Edwards (D)
42%

Thompson (R)
41%

Dodd (D)
41%

Biden (D)
40%

Obama (D)
37%

Huckabee (R)
35%

Richardson (D)
34%

[liberal renegade]

40. Hillary is scary.

:rofl: What's the real reason for not liking her?

[rayofreason]

41. Richardson...

...is the best candidate for '08 - but he will never get traction.

And anybody who does will get smashed by the HRC machine.

[mike_c]

42. make that half + one....

eom

[WileEcoyote]

43. Hillary will win in a three way split race

Just like her husband did in 1992.

Expect Ron Paul to win a few important GOP primaries before being back roomed by the GOP. He will then run on a third party candidacy preventing a plurality to go to a republican like Guiliani.

[AZ Criminal JD]

47. These online polls are meaningless

How many times have there been a thread that says this poll "needs some DU love?" I am sure the Freeps do the same thing. Totally unreliable.

[Vidar]

48. Kind of puts the "lame" in lame duck.

[Raine]

49. I'm another one who won't. nt

[still_one]

53. even in the general election?

even knowing the superme court is at stake?

[Ken Burch]

88. The court's permanently lost already.

No Republican appointee will be old enough to retire in the next eight years and simply maintaining the four non-neanderthal votes there are now doesn't mean much.

[still_one]

89. you obviously do Not appreciate the age of the current justices

Scalia is and Thomas are both in there 70s, Thomas I'd over weight, and Stevens is hangong ok for 2008

Sorry but you really don't appreciate it. Kennedy can be convienced, but the federalist judges that WILL be
appointed by republicans will put an end to it for sure

Your premise that it is lost is wrong

[Ken Burch]

90. Actually, Clarence Thomas, according to Wikipedia, is 59.

He is overweight, however.

I take your point on the others.

Part of this is, we have to get out of the mindset that we can only win with the most conservative anti-grass roots candidate possible. The whole party needs to have equal power in the next Administration if it is to do anything that matters.

[still_one]

92. I may be wrong about Thomas. I thought I read it in the book "The Nine", but am probably wrong

Appreciate the heads up though

as to your other point, you have no argument from me, we need to take back all three branches of government

[still_one]

52. and that reflects my experience with my independent associates

If she wins the nomination I will vote for her, but my gut tells me we won,t win the white house, and when roe v wade is over turned
if that happens, it will be time to devout my efforts as a democrat for over 30years to a third party

[pokercat999]

54. I think this "poll" is just the GOP groundwork to steal the

next election. They can deny the exit polling, again, and point to the pre-election polls that show HC as unelectable, as proof that the exit polling was flawed.

[davhill]

55. It doesn't mean they will vote for a GOP candidate

Those who can't vote for either will just stay home

[Vinca]

56. I will vote for her if she's the nominee, but I doubt she can win.

The only thing that surpasses Bush-hate in this country is Hillary-hate. The Hillary-hate side owns the voting machine companies.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

57. I will not vote for her & with what may be my last vote as as a Dem will be against her coronation.

With the amount of resolute opposition displayed by the Democratic base it does not take much imagination to see a massive backlash in the general election. The Democrats will win in 2008 without Hillary but may well lose with her. Easy choice, since she an unqualified corporate whore.

[SquireJons]

58. Why?

Why does anyone even bother to listen to Zogby polls? They were way in front of the Kerry campaign in 2006. Seems to me that everything that they "predict" with their polls turns out wrong.

Why don't Democrats support their own party’s candidates? That is the real reason that the pugs stand any chance at all. If Dems hadn't abandoned Gore for Nadar in 2000, then we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. Many "democrats" act like spoiled children rather than responsible citizens of a democracy. It is inherent in our system that nobody gets everything that they want. It's called compromise. And as long as so many democrats are unwilling to compromise on their own candidates, they will continue to loose to a much smaller party.

Why does it matter that Clinton voted for the war authorization? Most of the Democrats in congress went along with it for political survival. I'd love it if Gravel or Kucinich or Edwards or Obama or Richardson were to win the nomination, but when they don't, I'll back Clinton. It's a no brainer for me.

Why in the world would anyone who claims to be a Democrat do anything to help the current crop of republicans win? That is tantamount to suicide. Does "Jews for Hitler" ring any bells? There aren’t any Eisenhower’s running this time. No one is trying to reform the republican party. They need to be taught a lesson, but about 50% of the respondents here would rather piss into the wind.

Why are so many Democrats so down on Hillary? She's not my first choice (or even my 5th choice) but how does that matter? She is head and shoulders above any republican candidate... even Paul. At least with Hillary we'd probably be able to put together a strong cabinet very quickly, given the success of her husband’s administration. That counts for a lot. Look at the first couple of years of Bill Clinton’s administration. It was a mess because very few top tier experts wanted to join his new administration. So they got stuck with clunkers like Warren Christopher. It takes time to put together a good team, and she has a big lead in this category.

Seems to me that there is just as much bigotry and misogamy here at DU as I'd find in my office full of knee-jerk conservatives or even Naples Florida. And that's really bad.

Venting is fine… but if you can’t get a grip, perhaps I could buy you a clue?

[slackmaster]

60. No worries, she'll make it up in volume

:dunce:

[ohio2007]

66. How many will turn out to vote against a canidate ?

Respect
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html

every picture tells a story don't it.

[indypaul]

69. As one of those over 65'ers

If Hillary is the nominee, I would be forced, as JFK advised,
to "rise above principal" and cast a vote for her. The alternative
is just unthinkable. But, I do hope she is NOT the nominee there are
just too many negatives and the opposition would have a field day
at her expense and to the possible detriment of losing a majority
in Congress. Which we must keep and expand at all cost.

[surfermaw]

79. With you , I will vote for any dem, however I am Edwards all the way

[Brrrp]

80. Unfortunately, I think she will be nominated and elected.

Then we will have 4--no, make it 8--years of her oppressive fake presence on TV and radio, in the newspapers and magazines. We will be surrounded by Hillary-ness--smiling, self serving, self-conscious, robotic, calculating inauthenticity. Worse still, we will suffer her pro-corporate, self-contradictory ("I support the left, but I'm leaning to the right"), policies on the Middle East, health care, Social Security, government spending and everything else that matters.

This is going to happen with or without me. It will happen without me. She will not get my vote.

[City67]

72. Doesn't matter what this poll says

Hillary will run no matter what. If her candidacy is bad for the party or bad for the country, that is irrelevant. Clinton ambition will not be denied.

It IS interesting though how some voters see her as incredibly socialist, some see her as too corporatist and some see her as very centrist. She has a sort of chameleon thing going in except in a bad way because people often seem to see only the worst in her.

Me, I haven't made up my mind yet.

[MilesColtrane]

75. Hillary as Democratic nominee is the only thing that would make...

...a disaffected fundy vote for Rudy.

[ovidsen]

76. So ostracize me. I'll be unhappy, but principle counts

There's a few "candidates" that I'd vote in favor of Hillary against her opposition. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot comes to mind. But not many others. She really is in the same league as Dubya. A little smarter, maybe, but still a shrill faker who will say anything, and I mean ANYTHING to prostitute herself before undecided voters. She makes Rudy Giuliani look principled.

Otherwise, I consider Hillary to be a cheap, brazen, duplicitous opportunist who makes Richard Nixon look like a saint. Hillary for President?? God save the country and God DAMN her flag burning ban amendment. I wouldn't trust her as far as I can throw Al Gore (whom, by the way, I WOULD consider voting for).

[surfermaw]

77. Charlotte Observer today

Charlotte OBserver- hasn't given Edwards much coverage , this may be , due to Bill helping the now owners to buy the paper( can't remember much about the purchase) however today Edwards is getting coverage, look at post by surfermaw on Edwards and farm voters , now actual title of article, this is from memory just look below. I have known from start that Edwards is the man, with either Biden or Gore as VP. Gore is too busy to take on the presidency, but a VP, spot might be the spot he would like, however I have for years liked Biden, however I think a VP spot is where he would show his excellence.

[RiverStone]

81. This why I think Edwards will eventually catch...

And pass Hillary!

Wish it was Dennis, but I'm being pragmatic here.

JE could win in EVERY region of the country.

[TriMetFan]

82. This is so funny......

:rofl:
This is the same B.S. I read about Kerry almost 4 yrs. ago. If you are truly a Democrat, you will vote for whom ever is the nominee. It makes me sick reading all this B.S., that people will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. So the only conclusion I can come up with is that people that do not like her, would rather have another Bush Bot in the White House, instead of a Democratic.

[Citizen Kang]

84. Why even talk about it?

Hillary is going to be our president and it doesn't matter if you vote for her or not. Just like Bush was our president in 2000 and 2004 even though he didn't get a majority of the votes.

Wake up! We live in an oligarchy! The Clinton's and Bush's are the puppets for the Bankers and the Elites who control the world.

Hillary will win and be a truly great corporatist president! Even if 51% of the people refuse to vote for her.

[DuaneBidoux]

85. Listen, there is a reason 'Pukes have wanted her for some time. They've always had the best...

pollsters and they long ago figured out she would lose. I will vote for her, but I expect, for the third time in a row, to vote for the loser.