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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:30 PM
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Egypt to Build Nuclear Plants
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 02:31 PM by Judi Lynn
Source: N.Y. Times/Associated Press

Egypt to Build Nuclear Plants

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 29, 2007
Filed at 3:13 p.m. ET

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Egypt's president announced plans Monday to build several nuclear power plants -- the latest in a string of ambitious such proposals from moderate Arab countries. The United States immediately welcomed the plan, in a sharp contrast to what it called nuclear ''cheating'' by Iran.

President Hosni Mubarak said the aim was to diversify Egypt's energy resources and preserve its oil and gas reserves for future generations. In a televised speech, he pledged Egypt would work with the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency at all times and would not seek a nuclear bomb.

But Mubarak also made clear there were strategic reasons for the program, calling secure sources of energy ''an integral part of Egypt's national security system.''

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the U.S. would not object to the program as long as Egypt adhered to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and International Atomic Energy Agency guidelines.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Egypt-Nuclear.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:32 PM
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1. Cairo Practical
And to think Pakistan and India have nucular weapons.............:shrug: :hi:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:34 PM
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2. Mubarak better not say anything critical of St George,
or he find himself on the wrong end of a bunker buster.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:56 PM
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3. Are you fucking kidding?
Not that Egypt is building nuclear power plants - but that Bushie welcomes this? What a fucking hypocrite.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:59 PM
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4. Frendly malleable Regimes can do what they like.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:14 PM
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8. Egypt has proven to be peaceful with its neighbors.
Egypt recognizes Israel and it in a safe position from external attacks. Iran, on the other hand, has spawned comments about wiping Israel off the map and is afraid for their country. That's not hypocrisy. Egypt doesn't have a reason to possess a nuke. Iran does.

And don't even fucking think about accusing me of supporting an attack on Iran just because I pointed out facts.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:27 PM
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9. There is NO evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons
In fact, the word from the UN inspectors seems to back up what Iran's government has been saying. Even our own CIA has said that Iran is still years away from being able to produce nuclear weapons.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:26 PM
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13. I didn't say they had evidence.
I said they have a REASON.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:38 PM
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10. I see few facts past the words "Egypt recognizes Israel"
First off, Egypt's political climate is not in what an expert would call "the most stable period". Anger and resentment against the dictatorial regime of Egypt are fueled in part by fundamentalist resentment, which only grows hotter with each crackdown. The regime will topple eventually - they always do - And then what of the power plants?

Iran's president never said anything about wiping a country off the map. He spoke of kicking a regime out of power. Which is exactly what we talk about all the damn time here on DU - do you equate removing the Republican party from power to be tantamount to wipingthe US off the map? The actual words were "Sweep the regime occupying Quds from the pages of history." It is also a statement by a civilian leader who, unlike our Crazyfucker-in-Chief, wields no military power, and only enough political power over foreign affairs to approve and receive ambassadors.

Could you tell me why, precisely, Iran has a reason to possess a nuke? Myself, I would think the fact at least one other country has a nuclear arsenal pointed at Iran gives it enough logical reason to build its own as deterrence - look how we treated Iraq, compared to how we treat a post-nuclear North Korea. Are you one of the people who thinks Iran is going to spend billions on R&D, billions on construction... and then hand it over to Hamas in order to kill a metric fuckload of Israelis and Palestinians, thereby guaranteeing nuclear annihilation for Iran at the hands of, well, everyone?
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:29 PM
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14. Congrats to the first to accuse me of supporting the Shrub stance.
Always predictable.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:24 PM
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15. Wait a thousand years and maybe some sect will recognize you as a martyr
But you and I know that I just pointed out where your statements were factually wrong and inconsistent.

G'luck on the future sainthood.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:15 PM
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19. Your rationale is based on false logic
You're basing your differences between Iran and Egypt on false logic. One of the reasons you bring up is that Iran has repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the map. That's not what happened - but if you want to rely on mainstream media and right-wing talking points, go right ahead. Don't let actual facts get in the way of a good story. The previous poster is correct - Iran has talked about the current regime in Israel disappearing from power, which is quite different than actually calling for the extinction of a country.

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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:35 PM
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20. Are you serious?
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:36 PM by Socal31
It's a well known and common fact that Mr A. has said more than once that the state of Israel needs to disappear, or be "pushed back into the sea." His own government is annoyed by those statements because they draw too much attention. And these are from Iranian News and UN translations, not Fox News. Why are so many people willing to use bull-shit to defend someone that Bush hates? An enemy of your enemy doesn't neccesarily need to be a friend.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:42 AM
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22.  Egypt doesn't have a reason to possess a nuke. Iran does.
You say you point out facts. What exactly is Iran's reason for possessing a Nuke? When was the last time Iran invaded any country or launched a unilateral attack on any country? What given their verifiable history gives the impression they will do anything rash? People are constantly spouting off at the mouth and that does not represent foreign policy. I think you are buying into the rationale to invade a sovereign nation without first being attacked and that my friend is against International Law. When did the USA decide it was right to pronounce a person guilty before the fact? Used to be, in America, one was innocent until proved guilty. There is absolutely zero proof Iran has a bomb or is on the road to having one and even if they did get the bomb there is even less proof they would use it. What ever happened to Deterrance?
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:14 PM
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5. When do we start bombing Egypt?
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:27 PM
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6. WTF?... these IMBECILES are NUTS or what?
"In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the U.S. would not object to the program as long as Egypt adhered to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and International Atomic Energy Agency guidelines."

From Wikipedia about the Non-Proliferation Treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Proliferation_Treaty):
- Only four nations are not signatories: India, Pakistan, Israel, and North Korea.
- Iran is a signatory state of the NPT (IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute,
found that (...) failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement, not the NPT itself)

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:11 PM
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7. The constant threats on Iran are about Oil Flow.
There is absolutely no evidence that Iran is planning to build Nuke Weapons.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:49 PM
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11. I've suspected for some time
that a key agenda point of the infamous Cheney Energy Task Force was the expansion of Nuke energy to a whole series of Amerkun friendly regimes worldwide. Starting point was India... now this. I do not believe we have seen the last. This does a few things... it lines the pockets of the same old big players... and it reduces, they hope, future demand for fossil fuels, freeing up reserves for the West in the coming energy crises.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:20 PM
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12. Bad plan. reactors take a while to build up.
We're peaking now, and our own grid is still too dependant on oil. Nuclear everywhere will help, but not enough to offset the peak unless we start building a lot, a lot faster, a lot more places. That and research hydrogen fuel cells to wean the transportation fleet off of oil, which will require even more electrical resources.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:36 PM
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16. I didn't say I suspected they were smart.
Just greedy and desperate.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:31 AM
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21. If Israel and Egypt have all this money to build nuclear reactors
how about they send back the billions of dollars in U.S. aid we sending them each year, since they clearly don't need it.
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