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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:13 AM
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OPEC agrees to study dollar concern: Iran
Source: AFP

OPEC agrees to study dollar concern: Iran 11 minutes ago



RIYADH (AFP) - Iran said Sunday that an OPEC pledge to increase financial cooperation between members meant the 13-member oil exporters group would study the issue of pricing oil in the falling US dollar.


OPEC's final summit declaration on Sunday made no explicit mention of concern about the weak US currency -- which number-two exporter Iran had sought -- with a plan to increase financial cooperation the only recognition of the idea.

"It is great that the finance ministers will study the subject more... and get a consensus," Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari told reporters.

The OPEC statement said simply that the cartel would "study ways to increase financial cooperation between OPEC member countries, including a proposal by some heads of state" without giving more details.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071118/bs_afp/oilopecsummitforexdollar_071118160042



earlier thread:

Divided OPEC meets for summit(a private meeting mistakenly broadcast to journalists revealing spat)
RIYADH (AFP) - OPEC heads of state converged on Riyadh for a rare summit opening Saturday with the organisation divided over the falling US dollar and attempts to give a political impetus to the oil-exporting cartel.

In a gaffe late Friday, a private meeting of ministers from the 12 members of the cartel was mistakenly broadcast to journalists, revealing a spat between Saudi Arabia and anti-US members Iran and Venezuela about the waning US currency.

Journalists witnessed Iran request that the final declaration to be issued by OPEC leaders at the end of the summit on Sunday express the concern of member states about the falling US currency and its impact on oil revenues.

Reacting to the proposal, which was backed by Venezuela, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal warned against mentioning the US currency.

"There are media people outside waiting to catch this point and they will add to it (exaggerate) and we may find that the dollar collapses," Prince Saud said.


more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3069467
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:16 AM
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1. Oh no!
I hear war guns.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:22 AM
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2. HERE Is the REAL story: Oil leaders' private debate televised by mistake


Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject 'Kill the cable, kill the cable,' Oil leaders' private debate televised by mistake
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2307145#2307145
2307145, 'Kill the cable, kill the cable,' Oil leaders' private debate televised by mistake
Posted by seemslikeadream on Sun Nov-18-07 10:08 AM

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2212899,00.html


Oil leaders' private debate televised by mistake


Tim Webb in Riyadh
Sunday November 18, 2007
The Observer


'Kill the cable, kill the cable,' shouted the security guard as he burst through the double doors into the media room at the Intercontinental Hotel in Riyadh, followed by Saudi police. It was too late.
A private meeting of Opec leaders, gathered this weekend in Riyadh for the cartel's third meeting in its 47-year history, had just been broadcast to the world's media for more than half an hour after a technician had mistakenly plugged the TV feed into the wrong socket. The facade of unity that the cartel so carefully cultivates to a world spooked by soaring oil prices was shattered.


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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:27 AM
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4. yeah I linked to that story
I posted it yesterday. :D
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:40 AM
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10. I wonder if it was really a mistake
The story I read was that Venezuela and Iran wanted to increase prices, while Saudi Arabia wanted to keep them down. This may be true, but it may also be useful propaganda for the Saudi leadership in the U.S. ("see, they really are our friends").

The incident just seemed a bit contrived to me.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:35 PM
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24. Ding Ding Ding!!!
If they execute the technician, you're wrong. If he gets a bonus this year, you're right on the money!!!!

I think you're right on the money, myself.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:23 AM
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3. "Our noble CRUSADE shall not waver in resolve." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:29 AM by SpiralHawk
"We -- the corrupt chickenhawk republicon homelander occult cabal of cronies -- will, I swear by all that is Ho-lee (Smirk), continue unrelentingly to pursue MASSIVE PROFITS for ourselves by employing every devious scheme and sacrificing innocent lives all around, for we are 'special' and deserve more, more, more.

"Consequently, this here A-rab con-fab perturbs us. It's downright, um, EVIL and stuff."

- Commander AWOL



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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:33 AM
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5. The US deal with Saudi Arabia was that the US would buy their oil provided they put those dollars
back in the US to keep the dollar from crashing -- they've hired US companies to build their infrastructure, they've purchased US securities, and they've purchased US assets.

Saudi Arabia has much more to lose from a crashing dollar.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:11 PM
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7. Not all gloom and doom.
May the US workers be worth their mettle; this could turn things around.

(Sorry to be an optimist, but something has to counter pessimism, and not in capsule form.)
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:19 PM
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9. I don't doubt that the American worker will turn this around. We just need a government that's going
to do what's right by the American worker so that they can do what they've always done when the US was in crisis.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:03 PM
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6. OPEC summit ends in division over weak dollar
Source: Reuters

OPEC summit ends in division over weak dollar
18 Nov 2007 22:36:06 GMT
Source: Reuters

(Recasts, adds Ahmadinejad quote in paragraph 5)

By Souhail Karam and Simon Webb

RIYADH, Nov 18 (Reuters) - An OPEC summit ended
on Sunday in sharp political division over whether
to take action over the weak dollar, as heads of
state vowed to keep providing Western consumers
with an "adequate" supply of oil.

A fall in the value of the U.S. dollar on global
markets helped fuel oil's rally to a record $98.62
on Nov 7 -- causing Western consumer nations to
call for more OPEC supplies to cool prices -- but
it has also eroded the purchasing power of OPEC
members.

The final statement of the oil cartel's summit in
Riyadh did not include any reference to the
dollar's predicament, in an apparent victory for
U.S.-allied moderates led by Saudi Arabia.

But Iran and Venezuela -- anti-U.S. firebrands
locked in tough diplomatic disputes with Washington
-- made clear before and after the summit that
they would press for action, which could include
pricing oil in a basket of currencies.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L18446547.htm
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:35 PM
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8. Iran leader dismisses US currency
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has suggested an end to the trading of oil in US dollars, calling the currency "a worthless piece of paper".

The call came at the end of a rare Opec summit, and was opposed by US ally Saudi Arabia.

The Iranian president had wanted to include the attack on the dollar in the summit's closing statement.

The communique made little mention of the dollar, however, focusing instead on energy security and the environment.

Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7101050.stm
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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11.  Iran leader dismisses US currency
Source: BBC

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has suggested an end to the trading of oil in US dollars, calling the currency "a worthless piece of paper".

The call came at the end of a rare Opec summit, and was opposed by US ally Saudi Arabia.

The Iranian president had wanted to include the attack on the dollar in the summit's closing statement.

The communique made little mention of the dollar, however, focusing instead on energy security and the environment.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7101050.stm
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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12. BushCo will consider Iran declaring war
:eyes:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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13. ONE of the reasons I've heard regarding Iraq was Saddam switching to Euros.? nt
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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14. That seems unlikely to me...
Yo gateley *waves* :)

I don't doubt that Saddam Hussein's demanding payment in Euros was irksome, but there's good reason to believe that the Iraq war was planned well before Saddam made the switch.

That said, I do believe that the Petrodollar Warfare hypothesis adds an important macroeconomic perspective when trying to answer the question "so what the fuck are we doing there anyways?" In particular, Russian General Ivashov writes:

The really important question is not whether Iran is capable of making nuclear weapons. The only function of small stockpiles of nuclear weapons not backed by various forms of support is that of containment. The threat of a retaliation strike can stop any aggressor. As for attacking other countries and winning a nuclear war in the situation of a conflict with a coalition of major powers, this would require a potential that Iran neither has nor is going to have in the foreseeable future. The allegations that Iran can become a nuclear aggressor are absurd. Anyone having at least some theoretical knowledge of military affairs must understand this.

What is the real reason why the US is unleashing this military conflict?

The activities having consequences of global proportions can only be intended to deal with a global problem. This problem itself is by no means something secret - it is the possibility of a crash of the global financial system based on the US dollar. Currently the mass of US currency exceeds the total worth of US assets by more than a factor of ten. Everything in the US - industry, buildings, high-tech, and so on - has been mortgaged more than ten times all over the world. A debt of such proportions will never be repaid - it can only be relieved.

The dollar amounts on the accounts of individuals, organizations, and state treasuries are a virtual reality. These records are not secured by products, valuables or anything that exists in reality.

Writing-off this US indebtedness to the rest of the world would turn the majority of its population into deceived depositors. It would be the end of the well-established rule of the golden calf. The significance of the coming events is truly epic. This is why the aggressor ignores the global catastrophic consequences of its offensive. The bankrupt 'global bankers' need a force major event of global proportions to get out of the situation.

The solution is already in the plans. The US has nothing to offer the rest of the world to save the declining dollar except for military operations like the ones in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. But even these local conflicts only yield short-term effects. Something a lot greater is needed, and the need is urgent. The moment is drawing closer when the financial crisis will make the world realize that all of the US assets, all of its industrial, technological, and other potentials do not rightfully belong to the country. Then, it must be confiscated to compensate the victims, and the rights of ownership of everything bought for dollars all over the world - everything drawn from the wealth of various nations - are to be revised.


I think the General overstates his case somewhat - US has geostrategic interests in having a weakened, more easily dominated Iran as energy becomes harder to find.

That said, there is a very real sense in which the dollar is at the heart of the matter. c/o Mike Whitney, The Great Dollar Crash of 07

The greenback is the baling wire that keeps the global economy in the hands of the doddering old misers at the Federal Reserve. It’s the cornerstone of the whole wretched system; a system which now includes torture, extraordinary rendition, and myriad other war crimes.

The young Muslim men who are abducted off the streets of Europe and Asia and taken to CIA Black Sites where they are waterboarded or stacked in naked pyramids; are tortured in defense of the crumpled piece of green paper we carry in our pants pockets.

Think I’m kidding?

Just look at Bush’s budget for 2007-2008; $700 billion for foreign wars?!? There’s no way the US can pay off that debt through the normal means of increasing exports. In fact, Bush has already said that he plans to preserve his unfunded tax cuts whether they produce massive deficits or not.

What Bush plans to do is force the foreign central banks to hold more dollar-based assets, thus, thrusting our gigantic debt onto our trading partners. According to Bob Chapman of The International Forecaster, “US debt was up 10.1% to $4.085 trillion and accounts for 58.8% OF ALL THE CREDIT ISSUED GLOBALLY LAST YEAR. The US is producing more debt than the rest of the world combined.

As long as foreign lenders are willing to take our paper, Bush will keep expanding our debt. As Chalmers Johnson opined, “We are dependent on ‘the kindness of strangers’”. (The Blanche Dubois economy)

Of course, if the central banks grow tired of this pyramid-scheme and dump the dollar; the world can get on with the business of addressing global warming, poverty, AIDs, Peak Oil, nuclear proliferation etc. That won’t happen as long as the dollar reigns supreme and a small cadre of unelected racketeers at the Fed continue Gerry-rig the system.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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16. Yikes - that's some sobering info there, dantyrant - but SO enlightening
reasoned, educated views such as these. Thanks!! :headbang:
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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17. No worries gateley!
It seems bleak doesn't it?

Especially in light of what's happened these past few weeks, I'd say it'd be well advised for people to move their savings out of the dollar as soon as possible.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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15. YES, THAT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON
AMERICA IS LOSING THAT WAR TOO
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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18. Yeah, like that friken rial is such a powerhouse....
The dollar has issues thanks to Bush.

Nothing a Democrat in the White House can't fix with some hard work and a little time.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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19. Assuming they're allowed to, MADem...
There's no doubt in my mind that even with the financial house burning down all around them, the Republicans will do everything they can (along with quisling Dems)to prevent the Democrats from establishing even a bucket brigade.

The fat cats won't care; I'm sure that they have all their money safely tucked away in foreign investments.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:38 PM
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25. There aren't enough really RICH quislings to impose their will
A lot of the rich bastards in Congress are quite liberal--Kennedy, Kerry, e.g. Those quislings, at some point, need DNC cash to successfully campaign. They have to jawbone Howard Dean (hardly a quisling) to turn on the spigot!

I concur that the stinking rich are well-protected, they probably switched their dough to Euros around the time that Warren Buffett and Dick Cheney did.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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20. So does supermodel Gisele Bundchen
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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21. God deals in Dollars.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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22. I just realized ... "worthless piece of paper" ... where have we heard that before ? nt
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 AM
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23. They had this story on Mosaic a news program on LinkTV
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 10:08 AM by harun
It stated how they were unintentionally broadcasting some of this discussion to the public and didn't know it. The Saudi's were basically saying they knew the money is now worthless but because of the number of investments they have in dollars they don't want to tank their own (rather big) investments. So Venezuela and Iran were pushing to dump the dollar altogether and the Saudi's were saying no way.

(Edit: I see now this event has been posted to another thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2307145)
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