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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:53 PM
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State GOP withdraws as FOX debate partner
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 03:56 PM by onehandle
Source: NH Union Leader

Manchester – The New Hampshire Republican Party has quit "with regret" as a co-sponsor of tomorrow night's nationally televised GOP forum on FOX News.

The 8 p.m. event at Saint Anselm College -- the last debate before Tuesday's primary -- became controversial when FOX refused to include Ron Paul.

Read more: http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=State+GOP+withdraws+as+FOX+debate+partner&articleId=fecf75e6-240c-4ef4-80f0-637736adf6fd



Good for them!

Ron Paul may be a racist Looneytarian nutcase, but Fox News works for Karl Rove.

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The New Hampshire Republican Party has pulled out as a co-sponsor of tomorrow night's Fox News debate, due to the controversies surrounding the exclusion of Ron Paul. Fox News is barring Paul from the debate, with many people believing it is because of his opposition to the Iraq War.

Bear in mind that Fox News is excluding Paul from the debate, despite the absence of any objective criteria that would shut out Paul and still include some of the other people they're inviting. For example, Paul got 10% of the vote in Iowa, while invited candidate Rudy Giuliani took only 4% and is at about the same place as Paul in New Hampshire polls.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/new_hampshire_gop_pulls_out_of_fox_news_debate.php
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:55 PM
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1. Interesting...
NH is a nice place..
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:06 PM
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2. Now if only the Democratic pary had the same
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 04:07 PM by cyclezealot
conscious with tonights NH Democratic debate, we'd have a more unified party . They try to exclude a part of the party, we might choose to stay excluded . So are we saying the Republicans have have a bigger conscious than Democrats? But, it appears they don't.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:48 PM
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10. I think the "John Birch Society"..
is big in New Hampshire..and...I think Ron Paul has a lot of support in N.H. The only signs I've seen there...although I don't travel very far over the border...have been for Ron Paul.

http://www.jbs.org/
http://www.patrickruffini.com/2008wire/pub/The%20John%20Birch%20Society%20-%20Truth,%20Leadership,%20Freedom%20%7C
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:10 PM
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12. A reason to exclude NH from being so
influential in the US nominating process. Not a reason however, to censor someone. It's better we take on the Birchers in debate and put them down there. not censor them.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:18 PM
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13. The only thing I am suggesting..
is a reason for why the New Hampshire Republican Party quit as a co-sponsor of the Fox Debate. I don't believe anyone should be excluded..including Dennis Kucinich..but obviously the Iowa Democratic Party did not feel as strongly as the New Hampshire Republican Party...
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:23 PM
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14. Could be.
The New Hampshire GOP is that right wing?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:05 PM
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15. Libertarian...
I think..more than right wing...the 'live free or die' thing. I think that Ron Paul is the first republican candidate that they've seen in a long time that suits their slant.

http://www.jbs.org/
http://www.patrickruffini.com/2008wire/pub/The%20John%20Birch%20Society%20-%20Truth,%20Leadership,%20Freedom%20%7C
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:17 PM
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3. Ron is no "racist Looneytarian nutcase"
he is the only repuke with any integrity
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 05:22 PM
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6. Your statements are not mutually exclusive.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 05:26 PM by Finnfan
And I would add that Ron Paul is an idiot.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:06 PM
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11. Ron Paul is crazier than I am;
Meaning that even if what you say is true, 'he is the only repuke with any integrity,' He should still put a gun to his mouth and pull...
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:20 PM
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4. Fox showing it's true colors. Rudy 4percent and he is A OK with them.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:28 PM
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31. Giggly giggly Gigliani is a surrogate of the FOX family
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:58 PM
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5. It's all according to
whoever is doing their corporate masters' bidding. I agree with the OP's assertion that Paul is a racist Looneytarian nutcase, but I also think that a true healthy debate involves him, especially in light of his showing against bought-and-paid-for Giuliani. New Hampshire also has a lot of people of the Libertarian bent. Good for them to call Faux on their shit.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 05:47 PM
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7. Finally someone stands up.
Seems odd to me that it would be the GOP. It amazes me how most here have turned a blind eye to the meddling in the debates by the MSM. Kucinich people were appalled at the Iowa Register but it didn't bother anyone else. Now we see that the media will control all debates and fashion the show to its liking. Why aren't we pissed as hell for the Democratic debate being framed for us. I laugh at all of the excitement here regarding Obama and Edwards. Don't you see that we are not in control of our basic choices. Too sad. Peace, Kim
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:08 PM
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8. thanks, Kim
I agree completely.

There are threads floating around here that justify the exclusion of Kucinich. I'm shamed by the fact that the Republicans are taking the kind of action the Democrats should be.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:18 PM
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9. I called Howard deans office during the IA exclusion
The representative said, its a private matter. Don't bother us. Call the Des Moines Register. Blah, blah, blah. That is the kind of moral lapses that causes permament divisions. The question is , is the Iowa Democratic party in collusion with the Des Moines Register. How many private insurance companies are headquarted in Des Moines. Seems I recall, a lot.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:24 PM
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21. I called the people at the Register.
I made several attempts to make connections, hoping that the right thing would be done. Afterward I wondered why Kucinich didn't feel as badly as I did. I think that it could have ended differently with more support from the Dems. Your point is a good one. In the end it is all about the money and the mega corps. I hear you and feel your pain. Peace, Kim
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:19 PM
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20. Thanks for your words.
It has been pretty lonely out here. Hope that things work out before November. Don't know if the world can take much more of this. Peace, Kim
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:06 PM
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16. It is up to the state party...
not us.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:16 PM
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17. And that demonstrates
the New Hampshire Republicans are more 'democratic,' than the New Hampshire Democrats. A proud mantle to wear. The New Hampshire Republicans can proudly boast of their greater appreciation of democracy.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:59 PM
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18. Can't argue with that...
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:25 PM
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22. I feel like we need to hold all feet to the fire.
We can't expect the right thing to be done. More times than not the dollar prevails. Peace, Kim
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:58 AM
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30. If we allow the media to eliminate opinions they don't approve
or challenge their status quo, I doubt anyone's feet will be held to the fire. It will just be a war of sound bites.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:29 PM
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19. It's about time someone stood up to the goosestep channel.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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23. NH GOP Drops Out as Fox Forum Partner
Source: Seattle Times

NH GOP Drops Out As Fox Forum Partner

New Hampshire's Republican Party has dropped out as a partner of a Fox News Channel presidential forum because the network won't let two low-polling candidates take part.

Party Chairman Fergus Cullen said he has failed in attempts to get Fox to include candidates Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter in Sunday's forum.

"Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures," Cullen said. "Consistent with that tradition, we believe all recognized major candidates should have an equal opportunity to participate in pre-primary debates and forums."

David Rhodes, Fox's vice president of news, did not address Cullen's objection in a one-sentence statement released immediately after Cullen's announcement.

Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004109251_apforumsponsor05.html


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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24. The Democrats should have done the same thing.
Hard to have a debate without any candidates.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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25. where have i been?
i never heard of duncan hunter until tonight while listening to the debate stream. they also gave time to kucinich who was left out of the debate and in my opinion should have been on stage.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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26. Wow! They are more principled than DNC! Gravel and Kucinich's absence didn't bother
any candidate, party aparatchnik...I didn't think I'd see the day...
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #23
27. Paul did better in Iowa than 9iu11ani...
so the fact he's been shut out of the debate is low down.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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29. I don't know if there will be an audience for the forum but if there is,
I hope the Paulinista's pack the house and disrupt the entire display of 'war party' bias.

Damn it...now I'm going to have to 'tune in' just to see!
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 AM
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28. WOW. The GOP in NH at least gets this one right! A Pox on the 'Faux Knews House'...n/t
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