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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:05 PM
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EU far-right groups to form party
Source: BBC

Far-right political leaders from four EU nations have unveiled plans to form a pan-European "patriotic" party.

The heads of far-right parties from Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria and France said their aim was to defend Europe against "Islamisation" and immigrants.

At a news conference in Vienna, they said they expected to launch the party by 15 November.

The move comes several months after the collapse of a far-right bloc in the European Parliament.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7210036.stm



Didn't they try something like this back in the Thirties?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:06 PM
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1. The Republican Party? (nt)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:15 AM
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10. The (authoritarian) Republican Party.
n/t
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:10 PM
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2. The "We Expect to See Stupendous Kickings of Our Ass" Party
Should be massively entertaining.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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3. Tried it during the 30s then sent an offshoot Bush branch over yonder
I guess they're going to try to get the old crop going again.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:36 PM
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4. unless they can find another hitler
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:38 PM by madrchsod
they will be nothing more than a pain in the ass but if they find a hitler then europe could be in trouble...

stormfront is a very popular site in europe esp in the england and ireland.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:36 PM
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5. Es leben die gloreiche Hohenzollern Dynastie!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:43 PM
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6. dam fur`en`ner` type american!
that river ain`t wide enough to keep yous guys out of america...
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:36 AM
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7. We are here because we didn't want to be over there.
At least for the time being.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:45 AM
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8. The 'All Heil the Idiots! To Hell with Bloody Foreigners' party
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 07:47 AM by LeftishBrit
I can imagine the party conference.

"Austria rules OK! All foreigners are evil, and that includes YOU snail-eating French fools!"

"How dare you! I shall get LePen to beat you up, you Austrian racial inferior!"

"Now stop it - Belgium needs both of your ignorant countries' support against all those disgusting East Europaeans!"

"DEATH TO THOSE WHO INSULT BULGARIA!!!"

Not the most united of parties, I suspect.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:19 AM
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11. "Not the most united of parties, I suspect."
Well as the article reports

The Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty (ITS) bloc disbanded itself in November after a row between its Italian and Romanian members over race.

So there is a history of infighting here. I'm just wondering how many UK Independence Party MEP's are going to be tempted by the new grouping.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:11 PM
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12. A history of cooperation too, I think
Hasn't there been a pan-EU nationalist bloc sitting in the European Parliament since there was a European Parliament for them to sit in?
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:17 PM
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15. I think they formed a bloc recently, like a year or two ago
However, I can't see how they could form an actual party because many of the "nationalists" from different countries do not like each other, lol.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:33 PM
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16. The National Front has been part of a bloc since the 90s
I remember that from research I did while in college. That particular form of cooperation started as resistance to the formation of the European Union.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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18. the ultra-nationalists by their nature cannot grasp internationalist approaches
so they usually end up arguing, hating and despising other ultra-nationalist parties from other countries.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:28 AM
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9. It's the forest of oaks philosophy
Each of the European peoples, distinct and yet bonded in being European people, unwilling to lose their distinctiveness and yet willing to support the distinctiveness of others. Extended, such a nationalist philosophy can also support the distinct national identities and rights of national determination of any people who desire it, so long as they do so on their own native ground.

I'm not an *advocate* of this philosophy, but I know what the philosophy is. It isn't as contradictory as it first appears. Nationalism is more than just "we don't like foreigners" to nationalists who actually have a political philosophy. These same parties have tried philosophical approaches before, as have others further to the right, and have achieved some measure of success with international and intercultural cooperation. Yes, the past coalition collapsed, but it existed for decades before that collapse under the same accusations of improbability and contradiction.

The problems are that philosophical nationalism is difficult to explain to simplistic thinkers, who will be confused by the apparent contradiction between "we do not want to lose our national identity to immigration by people X" and "we fully support the development and preservation of the uniqueness and interests of people X so long as they remain in country X". To sell this idea, it is absolutely critical to sell the idea of Blood and Soil. Just the Blood, you get ordinary racism without the concept of cooperation. Just the Soil part, you get a mystic environmentalism.

So, as a nationalist (again, I'm not one), how does one sell this to people who refuse to think? It is far easier to rally support for nationalism between peoples by pushing hate for the outsider rather than love for the insider. How do you paper over the issue of Europe's historically fluid borders? By expanding the concept of the Blood to all European nations. Essentially, drop the European pretense, and go simply to "white people". This also allows an expansion to historically majority white or historically white-run countries like Canada, Australia, and the United States.

How does one solve the issue, then, of different European nations facing different groups of outsiders? Pick the outsiders that are common between the nations. In their case, they're calling out "Islamisation" and Muslim immigrants. Historically, Jews and Gypsies have been the universal outsiders. They will both catch the fallout from this even if it isn't explicitly directed at them, but there aren't enough of them across Europe to serve the purpose of rallying the sense of people and place, of blood and soil.

They've got all the ingredients they need to make this work. Another poster pointed out that they lack a Hitler. Personally, I don't see this as a problem for them. Hitler wasn't that special, and could be recruited in much the same way as one would recruit an actor for a particularly challenging role. Find a high-energy narcissist, teach him how to talk, convince him he's the next Hitler, and he will be.

... okay, I didn't mean that to be funny, but I can't help but thinking of the auditions. It's coming out in my mind as a cross between American Idol and a scene from The Producers :-D
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:21 PM
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13. "Springtime for Hitler" as karaoke?
the mind... hurts.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:24 PM
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14. ..(I've seen weirder.)
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:34 PM
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17. I've seen that...
... it was pretty damned funny.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 PM
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19. what crap...legitimizing the EU with fake diversity
What will they think of next.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 PM
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20. They should hire our idiot as VP. nt
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