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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:03 AM
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Rights group: Venezuela is basically democratic
Source: Miami Herald

Rights group: Venezuela is basically democratic
Human Rights Watch said Venezuela was actually more democratic than many nations, contrary to some popular U.S. perceptions.
Posted on Fri, Feb. 01, 2008
BY PABLO BACHELET
pbachelet@MiamiHerald.com

WASHINGTON -- Human Rights Watch on Thursday said Venezuela does not belong to a group of nations like Pakistan and Russia that use the veneer of democracy to mask autocratic rule -- directly contradicting U.S. government assertions.

The New York-based group's position also runs contrary to allegations by many opponents of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez that he is undermining democracy at home and around Latin America.

Chávez and his government have long argued that Venezuela is fully democratic, with regular elections, a free news media and an organized opposition. The president accepted his defeat in a close vote on constitutional revisions last year.

''We did not include Venezuela in the list of closed countries because it is not,'' Human Rights Watch executive director Kenneth Roth said, unveiling the organization's 2008 World Report, which highlighted leaders who claim to be democratic but take autocratic measures.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/401909.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:47 AM
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1. Was there even any real doubt ?
:thumbsup:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:58 AM
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45. Only in the Minds of Fascists, Since They Think They Invented Democracy and Practice It Daily
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:46 PM
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53. Only to those who want Venezuela's oil, which belongs to the people of Venezuela
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 12:47 PM by shance
or at least, should
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:50 PM
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58. No, the accusation is that he's totalitarian.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:06 AM
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2. But, but, but, Hugo's a Dictator!
Some people on DU say so, so it must be true!
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:05 AM
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9. I can hear the Chavez-haters circling now
All together now:

"Chavez is a dictator, he shut down a TV station
Chavez is a dictator, he shut down a TV station
Chavez is a dictator, he shut down a TV station
Chavez is a dictator, he shut down a TV station...."
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:13 AM
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3. K&R! nt
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:20 AM
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4. Bet they didn't feel able to tell the truth about the USA, though
I'm sure they accepted our veneer of democracy as the reality
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:54 AM
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6. In their summary, which mentions the significant problems, the US appears - Venezuela doesn't
US abuses against so-called “war on terror” detainees are a major concern; 275 detainees are still held at Guantanamo Bay without charge. Some of those remain after being cleared by the United States for release, because they cannot be sent home and no country will resettle them.

The United States continues to have the highest incarceration rate in the world, with black men incarcerated at more than six times the rate of white men.
...
“It seems Washington and European governments will accept even the most dubious election so long as the ‘victor’ is a strategic or commercial ally,” Roth said.

The United States and some allies have made it harder to demand other governments uphold human rights when they are committing abuses in the fight against terrorism. And when autocratic governments deflect criticism for violating human rights by pretending to be democrats, the global defense of rights is jeopardized, Human Rights Watch said.

http://hrw.org/englishwr2k8/docs/2008/01/31/usint17940.htm
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:05 AM
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10. That looks more like a fig leaf, to me
Sort of a pro-forma complaint. Had they been serious, they would have to have noted the lack of media diversity; the overwhelming influence of corporations in elections; the use of proprietary, partisan vote-counting technology; the lack of *any* accountability for a fair process; the lack of responsiveness from national officeholders; the percentage of legislation that goes against the interests of the many; the continued assaults on *all* our Constitutional rights; et very lengthy cetera.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:06 AM
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19. Too bad you're not on the staff there to help the author of this piece out...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:06 AM by redqueen
:thumbsup:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:39 AM
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23. It's a report on the whole world
The suffering of people held in Guantanamo is far worse than whether your Congressman responds to you or not. They're taking a global perspective.

The full report is here: http://hrw.org/wr2k8/pdfs/wr2k8_web.pdf - there are more pages on the US than any other country.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:27 PM
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63. The suffering of the people held illegally in Gitmo is the RESULT
of our so-called reps feeling no need to respond to us. Or at the very least shares causality: their immunity from meaningful public reprisal. Wouldn't you think that if they were at risk of being recalled (sacked), tried, convicted, and imprisoned for their roles in enabling BushCo's crimes against humanity that they'd be much more cautious about behaving as tho they'd been to the manor born?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:23 PM
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49. The summary does not go far enough.
The U.S. and its European allies are not just "accepting flawed and unfair elections for political expediency". They do not just "play along", as the summary notes. They have, on many occasions, actively promoted and supported despotism throughout the world, and continue to do so now. And not just for political expediency. Often, these interventions have been for little more than the profits of the ruling class. This is not mentioned in the summary.

The report also perpetuates the myth, that the Venezuelan government denied a license renewal to RCTV for political reasons, when in fact, it is known with virtual certainty, that the broadcaster was involved in an attempted overthrow of the democratically elected government of Venezuela and that they were regular violators of broadcasting regulations. Included in these violations is the promotion of political violence and the broadcasting of pornography on Venezuelan television.

Kenneth Roth pretends that the U.S. government is sincere when it "insists on elections". The summary cites human rights violations in Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam, along with many others, but fails to note that Western foreign policy has played a leading role in the political development of most of the countries listed.

And nowhere, do I see the invasion of Iraq and the utter decimation of Iraqi society mentioned in this summary. It merely notes the "abuses" in the "war on terrorism", and proceeds as if the "war" itself is somehow legitimate.

The summary also notes election fraud in a number of countries, but fails to mention the questions surrounding the U.S. election process, again proceeding as if the fairness of elections in the U.S. were a given.

Clearly, HRW is subject to political pressures by the hegemonic powers, which is why I take their "reports" with a grain of salt.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #49
61. It seems only recently that some of us started finding out anything about US meddling in elections
in other countries, and most Americans don't seem to know a thing about it, yet! Good grief, but time's a'wastin', isn't it? Manipulation of elections in other countries makes it far easier to control them, than it is to wait until they elect leaders our right-wingers don't like, like Salvador Allende in Chile, and the U.S. spends tons of taxpayers' money destabilizing and overthrowing them! All of this seems to float right by, as materialistic, rat-race fans busy themselves shopping, raising kids, and never looking beyond the completely illusory surface of current events as presented by our corporate media.

Here's a good article on US meddling through the N.E.D.:
Trojan Horse:
The National Endowment for Democracy
excerpted from the book
Rogue State
A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
by William Blum
Common Courage Press, 2000

~snip~
In a multitude of ways, NED meddles in the internal affairs of foreign countries by supplying funds, technical know-how, training, educational materials, computers, fax machines, copiers, automobiles and so on, to selected political groups, civic organizations, labor unions, dissident movements, student groups, book publishers, newspapers, other media, etc. NED programs generally impart the basic philosophy that working people and other citizens are best served under a system of free enterprise, class cooperation, collective bargaining, minimal government intervention in the economy and opposition to socialism in any shape or form. A freemarket economy is equated with democracy, reform and growth, and the merits of foreign investment are emphasized.
From 1994 to 1996, NED awarded 15 grants, totaling more than $2,500,000, to the American Institute for Free Labor Development, an organization used by the CIA for decades to subvert progressive labor unions. AlFLD's work within Third World unions typically involved a considerable educational effort very similar to the basic NED philosophy described above. The description of one of the 1996 NED grants to AIFLD includes as one its objectives: "build union-management cooperation". Like many things that NED says, this sounds innocuous, if not positive, but these in fact are ideological code words meaning "keep the labor agitation down...don't rock the status quo boat". The relationship between NED and AIFLD very well captures the CIA origins of NED.
The Endowment has funded centrist and rightist labor organizations to help them oppose those unions which were too militantly proworker. This has taken place in France, Portugal and Spain amongst many other places. In France, during the 1983-4 period, NED supported a "trade union-like organization for professors and students" to counter "left-wing organizations of professors". To this end it funded a series of seminars and the publication of posters, books and pamphlets such as "Subversion and the Theology of Revolution" and "Neutralism or Liberty". ("Neutralism" here refers to being unaligned in the Cold War.)
NED describes one of its 1997-98 programs thusly: "To identify barriers to private sector development at the local and federal levels in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and to push for legislative change... to develop strategies for private sector growth." Critics of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic have been supported by NED grants for years.
In short, NED's programs are in sync with the basic needs and objectives of the New World Order's economic globalization, just as the programs have for years been on the same wavelength as US foreign policy.
Because of a controversy in 1984-when NED funds were used to aid a Panamanian presidential candidate backed by Manuel Noriega and the CIA-Congress enacted a law prohibiting the use of NED funds "to finance the campaigns of candidates for public office." But the ways to circumvent the spirit of such a prohibition are not difficult to come up with; as with American elections, there's "hard money" and there's "soft money".
... NED successfully manipulated elections in Nicaragua in 1990 and Mongolia in 1996 and helped to overthrow democratically elected governments in Bulgaria in 1990 and Albania in 1991 and 1992. In Haiti in the late l990s, NED was busy working on behalf of right wing groups who were united in their opposition to former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his progressive ideology. NED has made its weight felt in the electoral-political process in numerous other countries.
NED would have the world believe that it's only teaching the ABCs of democracy and elections to people who don't know them, but in all five countries named above there had already been free and fair elections held. The problem, from NED's point of view, is that the elections had been won by political parties not on NED's favorites list.
The Endowment maintains that it's engaged in "opposition building" and "encouraging pluralism". "We support people who otherwise do not have a voice in their political system," said Louisa Coan, a NED program officer. But NED hasn't provided aid to foster progressive or leftist opposition in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua or Eastern Europe-or, for that matter, in the United States even though these groups are hard pressed for funds and to make themselves heard. Cuban dissident groups and media are heavily supported however.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/National%20EndowmentDemo.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~

NED has been overactive in Venezuela, passing out U.S. taxpayers' money to the elite opposition groups hot to get control of the country back in their grubby, slimey mitts.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:46 PM
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80. Well, they did. Have a look at the report. I posted a link to it elsewhere in this thread.
It is six hundred pages, so if you want to read the whole thing, put aside an hour or two.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:21 AM
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98. I read the US section and they have nothing to say about the issues
I noted, above. Not one word. So you must not have read it yourself. Pretty cheap of you.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:50 AM
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99. Well, you can't read then. Judy Lynn was kind enough to cut out the part you seek
from the PDF link I provided and post it downthread in post seventy five. It talks about the incarceration and torture that you falsely assert isn't there (Not one word? No, PARAGRAPH AFTER PARAGRAPH--Reading IS Fundamental).

So, "pretty cheap of YOU" to make such a moronic and MENDACIOUS statement. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, first, for flinging shit, and second, to have claimed that you read something when it's YOU that didn't.

Get over yourself, and stop "firing for effect." If you don't want to actually discuss the issues, but instead what to get on a high horse and engage in childish foodfighting, pull that idiotic shit with someone else. Don't post blatant falsehoods and accuse others of being "cheap" when, if anyone is being "cheap" with the truth, it's YOU.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:41 AM
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101. You STILL aren't reading!
What I wrote, above, was that they have nothing to say about
the lack of media diversity; the overwhelming influence of corporations in elections; the use of proprietary, partisan vote-counting technology; the lack of *any* accountability for a fair process; the lack of responsiveness from national officeholders; the percentage of legislation that goes against the interests of the many; the continued assaults on *all* our Constitutional rights; et very lengthy cetera
in the USA.

And they don't. However, I'm sure your politics will prevent you from offering any apology for your "misreading".

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:02 AM
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102. Get over yourself. You are precisely the sort of person I referred to elsewhere.
A "two wrongs" whiner. Now HRW isn't 'good enough' because they don't complain about the EXACT SAME THINGS. Incredible!

You were whining about torture awhile back, too. I can't believe you're actually expecting HRW to carp about every issue in every country with the exact same emphasis -- that is what someone lacking the ability to WEIGH levels of importance or parse would do. It certainly suggests a paucity of intellectual rigor on your part, frankly.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:37 AM
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5. Hugo should be pushing Creationism
Not believe in Global Climate Change. Support Supply-Side "Creationism" Economics. Suppress Science. Start wars like our Democratic leader. Give your country to Corporate Wolves. Be a fiscally reprehensible. Only then will Venezuela be truly Democratic and free.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:44 AM
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7. Does this mean
our leaders have lied to us? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that the Administration and corporate media were less than honest. Will this stop the war monger Bush from bombing another country that has oil?
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:38 AM
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8. "Basically"?
Well, I guess it was too painful for the Miami Herald to state "fundamentally," which would have been the more precise description.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 AM
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11. No thanks to Hillary Strategist Mark Penn. I found this on Penn, Schoen & Berland:
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 AM by mod mom
from 2004:

In August, exit polling figured in a bitter fight in Venezuela over what amounted to competing landslides for and against a recall of the sitting president, Hugo Chávez, a socialist with ties to Fidel Castro.

The recall's proponents sponsored an exit poll, supervised by Penn, Schoen & Berland, an American firm whose clients have included Bill Clinton and Michael Bloomberg. Sometime before the polls closed on Aug. 15, Penn, Schoen reported that 59 percent of Venezuelan voters had said yes to throwing the president out of office.

A few hours later, the official count, by an election commission under Mr. Chávez's control, declared him the winner, with 58 percent of the total. Both the Organization of American States and the Carter Center, the Atlanta-based human rights organization founded by Jimmy Carter, said that their observers had seen no irregularities at the polls. In response to the exit poll, they called for a random audit at selected polling stations and again found nothing suspicious.

Mr. Schoen acknowledged in an interview that the poll's field workers were recruited by a group that helped organize the recall, but he said the volunteers had been trained to conduct the poll professionally, and that his firm would have no reason to put its reputation at risk by participating in a fraudulent poll. The recall's supporters continue to believe the election was stolen.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17plis.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 AM
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14. More Hillary bashing. She did great last night. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 AM
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15. This only relates to Hillary in that she hired Penn. I believe it is very telling that
a pollster would attempt to influence the outcome of a foreign democracy for a client.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:27 AM
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34. Carville also worked for the anti-Chavez opposition
He also worked against Evo Morales in Bolivia.

Carville also used to manage Zell Miller's campaigns before 1992.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:39 AM
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41. Yes there are certainly some scoundrels from that wing of the party. On Carville:
Globalism extends to the American way of campaigning, it seems, and the hubris of the gringo strategists — earnest ex-Clintonistas employed by James Carville’s Greenberg Carville Shrum group — would be hilarious if human lives and a country’s political will weren’t at stake.

It’s a galling and provocative experience to viewers of any political persuasion, and a reminder to the left of how easily idealism can run amok.

The Carville boys were hired by Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, a.k.a. ‘‘Goni,’’ a patrician Bolivian businessman who served a rough term as Bolivia’s president in the mid-’90s. Goni’s legacy was an unsuccessful program of ‘‘capitalization’’ (i.e., he welcomed foreign investment and watched foreigners get all the jobs).

By 2002, the time of filming, unemployment is through the roof and rural campesinos are agitating for political representation. Goni is old news and his poll numbers are dismal. Enter Jeremy Rosner, Greenberg Carville Shrum’s point man in Bolivia, an articulate manipulator of mass moods (and a fellow who bears an uncanny resemblance to Seth Meyers of ‘‘Saturday Night Live’’ — reality parodies itself here better than any comic could).


-snip

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2006/06/30/a_campaign_in_bolivia_thats_made_in_america/
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 AM
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12. Thank you Judi. What did they say about the US at this time? nt
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 AM
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13. "basically democratic"?
They've been having free, open, fair, monitored elections for a while now. And there have been very little if any cases of constitutional wrongdoing.

The same cannot be said about the U.S. in the last stolen elections, and violating the constitution to wage illegal wars, wiretap American citizens, etc.

If Venezuela is "basically democratic", the U.S. is "basically" NOT.

I'm so tired of the shitting on Venezuela all the time.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. did you also notice
that the article said that the trends were negative?

"Roth acknowledged that ''the trends were negative in Venezuela,'' saying Chávez stacked the Supreme Court and denied an opposition station a broadcast license, among other excesses.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:33 AM
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37. Yes, I noticed that
My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with "stacking" a Supreme Court. That's a personal opinion, not a reality. THat's also part of checks and balances. The Executive checks the Judicial by having the power to appoint judges. We'd be naive to think that Presidents will not use their ability to "check" the Judicial Branch through appointing judges they feel will advance their political programme. It happens here...what do you think Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, etc owe their position to? Being objective, "best candidates" for the positions? Let's be real. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's been happening here for the last 30 years and nobody has written a human rights report about it.

Regarding the broadcast license, that has been discussed ad nauseum on DU.

#1, The airwaves are public
#2, The government has the right to regulate what goes on the airwaves
#3, The station was not SHUT DOWN or CLOSED DOWN. It was denied a license after its license expired.
#4, the reason the license was denied was because the TV station had participated in the coup attempt by propagating patently FALSE propaganda about the sequence of events and attempting to misinform the Venezuelan people, so that they would not resist the coup d'etat. Thankfully, they did, and Chavez owes his life and return to public office to the thousands who stormed the Miraflores palace to demand his return.
#5, If a station in the United States was caught aiding and abetting coup plotters, you could bet your ass they'd be off the air FOREVER. Bye bye CNN, bye bye Fox News, bye bye WHOEVER did it. If it could happen and would happen here, and was OK to happen here, it's ok to happen in Venezuela. You don't get a free ride to support coup plotters by claiming that you're the opposition and that you have freedom of the press. Freedom of the press YES. Supporting coup plotters and telling people LIES to cover up the coup, NO.

please get facts right before trying to imply that Venezuela's government is a human rights violator.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. by denying a license
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 12:55 PM by sabbat hunter
it in effect shut it down.

Should we shut down Faux news because we don't like what they report or how they report it?

Even Human Rights Watch, finds this disturbing and a "negative trend"

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. No. That station has NOT been "shut down".
They are is STILL broadcasting on satellite.
Their license to broadcast on public airways has not been renewed.

The Chavez administration showed remarkable restraint in NOT "shutting down" this particular radio station immediately after the coup attempt, but instead, chose the more peaceful, democratic path by simply letting their license expire several YEARS later.

EVERY SINGLE RADIO STATION in the civilized World must periodicaly renew their license to use the public airways. Part of this process requires the applicant to demonstrate that they have used the Public's airways for the Public Good.

Advocating the violent overthrow of a democraticly elected government is NOT generally considered Operating for the Public Good in ANY democratic country IN THE WORLD!



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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #64
82. you really think
that is the same? being a purely satellite company from a over the air one?


If you do you are fooling yourself.

Do think Fox news channel should have their license revoked?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. If Fox news advocated for the violent overthrow of the President of the United States, you better...
believe I would want them to have their license revoked. There are limits to free speech, and this is one of those that is UNIVERSALLY recognized in all democratic countries, worldwide. You do NOT advocate for the overthrow of the democratically elected government through violence, period.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. if they support a coup, YES!
there's your answer.

As the other poster said, Chavez' government showed a lot of restraint against people who would have thought nothing to have him kidnapped and quietly assassinated, like they did with Allende.

Don't defend people who overthrew an elected government. It makes you seem like an apologist.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. Fox News does NOT use the Public Airways.
It is a cable (satellite) station, and as such does NOT apply for a license to use the Public Airways, nor is Fox News required to serve the "Public".
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #59
87. no, you should "shut it down"
if they ever try to give airtime support to a coup against our elected government, or give purposeful false information in hopes of aiding that coup.

THat's essentially what occured in Venezuela.

Human Rights can find all the "trends" it wants.

Fox News being shut down for being right-wing DOES NOT equal Venezuela "shutting down" a station that actively supported a coup against the elected government.

You know DARN well that Fox News would be denied a license by the FCC if it ever tried to help a coup against, say, Barack Obama or Clinton, if they were President.

No double-standards, please...and let's get our heads out of the sand.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:38 PM
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111. Faux News IS a cable channel
They don't broadcast over the airwaves either. The channel you refer to now finds itself in PRECISELY the same position as FauxNews.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:47 AM
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16. I bet Tom Friedman shits a brick when he sees this
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:25 PM
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50. as will a few other DUers...
thanks for the link JudyLynn
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crud76 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:52 AM
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17. Russert
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:52 AM by crud76
referred to Venezuela as a dictatorship the other day - is he paid to propagandize for the U. S. government, or does he just do it out of a sense of - uh - patriotism?

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“It seems Washington and European governments will accept even the most dubious election so long as the ‘victor’ is a strategic or commercial ally,”

What a classic line.

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"They are a dictatorship" = "They have oil that we can steal."

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:08 PM
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60. Not just Russert.
BOTH Hillary and Obama have included Chavez on a short list of the Worlsd's Worst Dictators.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:04 AM
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18. No no no no! Chavez is a dictator!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:05 AM by redqueen
Just ask some disinformation-swillin Murkins, they'll tell ya!

And if he ain't know, he will be soon! They know!

:rofl:


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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:21 AM
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20. HRW is like a stopped clock, issuing a 'fair and balanced' report.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:30 AM by Mika
Even a stopped clock gets it right twice a day.

But, even in this report, HRW mewls on about the opposition station license non-renewal as "among other excesses", leaving the impression that the Ven gov has done something untoward.




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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:00 AM
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26. There's nothing really excessive
about not issuing a licence to a right wing TV station funded by the rich.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:38 AM
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119. Great graphic of John Negroponte. I missed it the first time!
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RamblingRose Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:23 AM
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21. Colombians are set to march against Chavez on Monday
I have a friend from Colombia that lives here in Atlanta and she said Colombians are protesting against Chavez here and in other major cities on Monday.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:37 PM
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52. Why???
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:44 PM
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67. Columbia- wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA/black ops
A key place in the region for the movement of illicit drugs and black ops money. Military elements trained at the infamous School of the Americas (don't remember new name).
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:53 PM
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68. "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation." Figures they'd change it to something
no one can remember, doesn't it?

"Security Cooperation." Oh, that's a hot one.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:55 PM
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69. Columbia is a city in South Carolina
n/t
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:19 PM
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72. speeeling are not me-oops nt.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:59 PM
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71. Here's an article highlighting the SOA connection:
SOA Watch in Colombia
Written by Liz Deligio and Charity Ryerson, SOA Watch Illinois
SOA Watch visited Colombia in July as a member of the Ethics Commission of the human rights group Justicia y Paz.

The Commission publicizes human rights abuses in a number of specific communities in Colombia, where a brutal war continues to rage. More than four billion dollars in U.S. military aid, accompanied by military training for the Colombian armed forces at the School of the Americas, is fueling the war.

The approach of the SOA/WHINSEC of “solving” social problems with military violence has left an indelible mark on the country: millions of people have had to flee their homes and thousands have been killed over the past years. The Colombian military has the worst human rights record in the Americas. The military continues a ruthless counterinsurgency campaign that has killed thousands of Colombians and displaced millions (this year, Colombia surpassed Sudan as the country with the most internally displaced people).

Liz Deligio and Charity Ryerson, as SOA Watch members of the Ethics Commission, traveled to Colombia from July 23 - August 1 to visit with impacted communities. The Ethics Commission is a gathering of members from the Colombian and international communities who have joined in solidarity with impacted communities in Colombia. The Commission gathers twice a year to hear testimony from communities about the systematic human rights violations they experience as well as what they envision for reparation. The Commission traveled to the Chocó region in the north of Colombia.

In northern Antioquia, the African palm oil business has forcibly displaced thousands of mestizo, afro-descendiente, and indigenous families from their own lands. In concert with the police, military, paramilitaries, and local government offices, the palm oil companies have murdered and displaced community members and falsely claimed legal right to the territory.

More:
http://www.soaw.org/presente/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=74

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:56 PM
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70. the march on Monday is against the FARC, I guess their sympathizers may be included
n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:30 PM
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127. Relatives of Colombian Detainees Trust Chavez Efforts
Caracas, Feb 3 (Prensa Latina) Relatives of people detained by the Colombian insurgency said on Sunday they are confident that the endeavour by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, and Senator Piedad Cordoba open the door for a humanitarian deal.

Jaime Losada and Deyanira Ortiz, relatives of two parliamentarians, said they are hopeful on their release, after the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) announced it Saturday.

In recognition for their efforts towards a humanitarian deal, FARC asked Chavez and Cordoba to welcome parliamentarians Gloria Polanco, Luis Eladio Perez, and Orlando Beltran in Colombian territory.

Losada, Gloria Polanco's brother, said in a telephone interview for Venezolana de Television the relatives have faith in the Venezuelan president and the Colombian senator ...

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B1BD390DB-A38E-4FDA-8A69-3355CAE49954%7D)&language=EN
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:37 PM
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131. Colombian rebels say to free three hostages
Colombian rebels say to free three hostages
Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:32am EST

By Luis Jaime Acosta

BOGOTA (Reuters) - Colombian FARC rebels plan to hand over three more hostages to Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez after he brokered the release of two captives last month, according to a rebel statement to local television.

Colombia's hostages are at the center of a fierce diplomatic spat between anti-U.S. leader Chavez and Washington ally President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia after they quarreled over the Venezuelan leader's role in helping free captives.

The FARC -- Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia -- said it planned to release Gloria Polanco de Losada, Luis Eladio Perez and Orlando Beltran because of their poor health after being held for more than six years in rebel jungle camps.

The FARC statement given to local Noticias Uno said the release was in recognition of efforts by Chavez and left-wing Colombian Sen. Piedad Cordoba to reach a deal on exchanging key hostages for jailed rebels.

More:
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAN0249557320080203

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Has anyone congratulated the oligarchists who post on Chavez threads for their swarming effect when the first attempt to receive the FARC hostages fell through. They forgot to return to comment when the second one succeeded.

No services carrying an interview with the hostages immediately after their return to the world except AP ever mentioned the fact they said specifically that they had walked for days to get to the meeting place, yet had to stop over and over when Uribe's forces, whom Uribe had PROMISED would stay specifically out of the way and allow them to pass in peace, kept bombing the area, and they eventually had to give up altogether, and leave.

Of the stories carried in the U.S., only the AP story contained any reference to this, and it was so diminished it was virtually impossible to note, and buried inside the story:
Chavez responded by freezing contacts with Uribe but still sought to mediate with the FARC. After the two hostages were freed, Chavez pointed to their accounts as proof that Colombia's military had tried to interfere.

Gonzalez, a former lawmaker, has said that on Dec. 31 "military operations indisputably occurred in the zone... which impeded us" from reaching a handover site in the jungle.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ap-012008-chavez,1,4846377.story

Simply pathetic.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:33 AM
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22. yet, there is more to the article
Roth acknowledged that ''the trends were negative in Venezuela,'' saying Chávez stacked the Supreme Court and denied an opposition station a broadcast license, among other excesses.

''There are serious problems in Venezuela, but we shouldn't pretend that Venezuela is a closed society,'' he said. ``There still is significant political competition, and indeed the best evidence of that was the fact that Chávez just lost his referendum.''

Roth also said Cuba's announcement in December that it will ratify two U.N. treaties that protect civil, political, social, economic and cultural rights of citizens was ``good news.''

The report also criticizes Cuba as ``one country in Latin America that represses nearly all forms of political dissent.''

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:06 AM
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28. HRW gets its reporting on Cuba from US and Miami exile paid "dissidents" in Cuba.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:06 AM by Mika
So one can expect faux fair and balanced reporting from them.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:07 AM
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29. yeah, I knew you'd be upset with report on Cuba
n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:11 AM
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30. Just as I knew you'd be happy to post a "some people say" aspect of the report.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:18 AM by Mika

Fair and balanced™ - just as you like your reporting on Cuba.

==

I'm not "upset" one iota over that bullshit "some people say" Cuba addition to the report.
Its expected.
Just as was your post that celebrates fair and balanced™ reporting.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:14 AM
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31. why would I be happy with human rights abuses
Colombia, Venezuela, Cuba, the US and a host of other countries are implicated. people can read the entire report (not just incomplete "positive" snippets from the Herald article). the entire report is at http://hrw.org/wr2k8/pdfs/wr2k8_web.pdf

see Cuba at 205-209
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:20 AM
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32. I said no such thing. Another example of how you distort.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:21 AM by Mika
I said that you celebrate fair and balanced™ reporting on Cuba, such as contained in the report.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:26 AM
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33. it may be difficult to get "fair and balanced" reporting from Cuba
According to Reporters Without Borders, 25 journalists were serving prison
terms in Cuba as of July 2007, most of them charged with threatening “the national
independence and economy of Cuba.” This makes the country second only to
China for the number of journalists in prison.

page 207
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:31 AM
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35. And where did Reporters Without Borders get their info? Some people say, as usual.
You like your anti Cuba info to be bought by the US.

Some people say (for money). So it must be true.

RSF gets their Cuba stories from US gov paid dissidents.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 AM
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39. sniff sniff poor Cuba
Human Rights Defenders
Refusing to recognize human rights monitoring as a legitimate activity, the government
denies legal status to local human rights groups. Individuals who belong
to these groups face systematic harassment, with the government impeding their
efforts to document human rights conditions. In addition, international human
rights groups such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are barred
from sending fact-finding missions to Cuba. Cuba remains one of the few countries
in the world to deny the International Committee of the Red Cross access to
its prisons.

page 208
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:40 AM
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42. Cuba will let US paid observers into Cuba as soon as the US lets Cuban paid observers into the US.
Not going to happen.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:46 AM
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44. so Amnesty, HRW, and the International Red Cross are not in the US
Travel Restrictions and Family Separations
The Cuban government forbids the country’s citizens from leaving or returning to
Cuba without first obtaining official permission, which is often denied.
Unauthorized travel can result in criminal prosecution. In May 2006 Oswaldo
Payá, the well known Cuban human rights advocate, was awarded an honorary
doctor of laws by Columbia University in New York City in recognition of his work.
However, he was denied an exit visa by the Cuban authorities and could not
receive the degree in person.
The government also frequently bars citizens engaged in authorized travel from
taking their children with them overseas, essentially holding the children hostage
to guarantee the parents’ return. Given the widespread fear of forced family separation,
these travel restrictions provide the Cuban government with a powerful
tool for punishing defectors and silencing critics.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:35 PM
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78. Reporters Without Borders?
:rofl:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 AM
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120. Ah, the well-known U.S.-funded Reporters Without Borders. Impeccable. Maybe not. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:47 PM
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54. And?
That doesn't contradict either the grudgingly accurate title of the article, nor the snippets posted in the OP.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:56 AM
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25. Of course it is 'basically' democratic. That isn't to say all is rosy, there
and even HRW acknowledges it. The fact that all is not rosy there should not be taken to infer that all is rosy HERE, either.

What their report says is that it isn't a CLOSED society, but the trend is NEGATIVE. Cancel the party:


    ''We did not include Venezuela in the list of closed countries because it is not,'' Human Rights Watch executive director Kenneth Roth said, unveiling the organization's 2008 World Report, which highlighted leaders who claim to be democratic but take autocratic measures.

    Roth acknowledged that ''the trends were negative in Venezuela,'' saying Chávez stacked the Supreme Court and denied an opposition station a broadcast license, among other excesses.

    ''There are serious problems in Venezuela, but we shouldn't pretend that Venezuela is a closed society,
    '' he said. ``There still is significant political competition, and indeed the best evidence of that was the fact that Chávez just lost his referendum.''




I don't think ANYONE here was saying that VZ was a "closed" society--just that they were lurching towards an autocratic one with the excesses that HRW noted. There's no cause for dancing in the streets with this report--it isn't "GOOD NEWS!!!" It's just not "horrible" news.

Some of their coverage over the last few years:
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=venezu
    Venezuela

    Venezuela: Proposed Amendments Threaten Basic Rights
    Government Seeks Overbroad Emergency Powers for President

    Amendments proposed to Venezuela’s constitution increasing presidential emergency powers would jeopardize the protection of fundamental rights at times when they are most needed, Human Rights Watch said today.
    November 29, 2007 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Investigate Pre-Referendum Violence
    The Venezuelan authorities should carry out prompt, thorough and impartial investigations into all acts of violence committed against demonstrators both supporting and opposing the constitutional reforms proposed by the government, Human Rights Watch said today.
    November 28, 2007 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Disturbing Plan to Suspend Due Process
    Chávez Supporters Seek to Suspend Rights in Emergencies
    A constitutional amendment proposed by a pro-government committee in Venezuela’s National Assembly would allow the suspension of due process protections, Human Rights Watch said today.
    October 16, 2007 Press Release
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    Venezuela: TV Shutdown Harms Free Expression
    The Venezuelan government’s politically motivated decision not to renew a television broadcasting license is a serious setback for freedom of expression in Venezuela, Human Rights Watch said today. The decision will shut down Radio Caracas Television (RCTV), the country’s oldest private channel, when its license expires on May 27, 2007.
    May 22, 2007 Press Release
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    Small Number of Countries Holding UN World Summit Hostage on Human Rights, Security, Poverty
    Human Rights Watch, Oxfam International and Amnesty International call on a small number of “spoiler” countries to stop holding the UN World Summit hostage over crucial measures on human rights, security, genocide and poverty reduction. These governments have thrown negotiations on the final outcome text into crisis just days away from the biggest meeting of world leaders in history, September 14-16 in New York.
    September 7, 2005 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Court Orders Trial of Civil Society Leaders
    In ordering the trial of four civil society leaders on dubious charges of treason, a Venezuelan court has assented to government persecution of political opponents, Human Rights Watch said today.
    July 8, 2005 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Rights Lawyer Faces Judicial Persecution
    Criminal Investigation Launched to Intimidate Critic of Government’s Rights Record
    The Venezuelan government should immediately halt criminal proceedings opened against one of Latin America’s most prominent human rights lawyers, Human Rights Watch said today.
    April 5, 2005 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Curbs on Free Expression Tightened
    Amendments to Venezuela’s Criminal Code that entered into force last week may stifle press criticism of government authorities and restrict the public’s ability to monitor government actions, Human Rights Watch said today.
    March 24, 2005 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Chávez Allies Pack Supreme Court
    The Venezuelan Congress dealt a severe blow to judicial independence by packing the country’s Supreme Court with 12 new justices, Human Rights Watch said today. A majority of the ruling coalition, dominated by President Hugo Chávez’s party, named the justices late yesterday, filling seats created by a law passed in May that expanded the court’s size by more than half.
    December 14, 2004 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression
    A draft law to increase state control of television and radio broadcasting in Venezuela threatens to undermine the media’s freedom of expression, Human Rights Watch said today. Venezuela’s National Assembly, which has been voting article by article on the law, known as the Law of Social Responsibility in Radio and Television, is expected to approve it today.
    November 24, 2004 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Legal Means Used to Address Political Crisis
    Referendum Process Strengthens Rule of Law, But Judiciary Still Faces Threats
    By seeking to resolve its political crisis through a national referendum, Venezuela has taken an important step toward strengthening the rule of law, Human Rights Watch said today.
    August 17, 2004 Press Release
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    Venezuela: HRW Reiterates Concern Over New Supreme Court Law
    In a memorandum published today, Human Rights Watch seeks to clarify some of the questions and misconceptions that have arisen in response to our recent report regarding threats to judicial independence in Venezuela.
    July 14, 2004 Background Briefing
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    Testimony of José Miguel Vivanco
    Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere, Peace Corps and Narcotics Affairs
    Over the past year, President Chávez and his allies have taken steps to control Venezuela’s judicial branch. These steps undercut the separation of powers and the independence of judges. They violate basic principles of Venezuela’s constitution and international human rights law. And they represent the most serious threat to Venezuela’s fragile democracy since the 2002 coup.
    July 7, 2004 Testimony
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    Court-Packing Law Threatens Venezuelan Democracy
    By José Miguel Vivanco and Daniel Wilkinson
    Published in The Washington Post
    When Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez faced a coup d'etat in April 2002, the international community roundly condemned the assault on Venezuela's constitutional order. Now, as he faces a recall referendum in August 2004, Chavez's own government threatens to undermine this country's fragile democracy through a political takeover of its highest court.
    June 22, 2004 Commentary
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    Venezuela: Judicial Independence Under Siege
    The Venezuelan government is undermining the independence of the country’s judiciary ahead of a presidential recall referendum that may ultimately be decided in the courts, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. President Chávez’s governing coalition has begun implementing a new court-packing law that will strip the Supreme Court of its autonomy.
    June 17, 2004 Press Release
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    Rigging the Rule of Law
    Judicial Independence Under Siege in Venezuela
    The Venezuelan government is undermining the independence of the country’s judiciary ahead of a presidential recall referendum that may ultimately be decided in the courts. President Chávez’s governing coalition has begun implementing a new court-packing law that will strip the Supreme Court of its autonomy. This 24-page report examines how the new law will make judges more vulnerable to political persecution and help ensure that legal controversies surrounding the recall referendum are resolved in Chávez’s favor.
    HRW Index No.: B1603
    June 17, 2004 Report
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    Letter to President Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías
    In a letter sent to President Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías, HRW expressed deep concern about credible reports documenting that National Guard and police officers beat and tortured people who were detained during the recent protests in Caracas and other Venezuelan cities.
    April 12, 2004 Letter
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    Venezuela: Investigate Charges of Abuses Against Protestors
    The Venezuelan government should conduct a thorough investigation into allegations that state security forces have beaten and abused detained protestors this week, Human Rights Watch said today. The investigation should also examine the circumstances of killings that occurred during confrontations between protesters and police.
    March 5, 2004 Press Release
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    Venezuela: Official Press Agency Distorts Human Rights Watch’s Position
    Venezuela’s official government press agency has published an article that distorts Human Rights Watch’s position on freedom of expression, Human Rights Watch said today.
    October 28, 2003 Press Release
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    Venezuela's Supreme Court Upholds Prior Censorship and "Insult Laws"
    Venezuela's Supreme Court Upholds Prior Censorship and "Insult Laws"
    A decision by the Venezuelan Supreme Court upholding prior censorship is a major setback for freedom of expression, Human Rights Watch said today.
    July 18, 2003 Press Release
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
55. No, it says the trend WAS negative. Past tense. (nt)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. You're cherrypicking. There ARE (present tense) serious problems, they say that too.
What they say is what they say. The HRW link has all of their VZ issue papers, and they're worth reading.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. No, I was just referring to the piece in the OP... which you quoted... which says "were". (nt)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:19 PM
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73. Here is a link to the ACTUAL report, not a news account of it. It's not a rosy scenario.
It's nothing to "boast" about or be proud of. The fact that they say VZ is not a "closed" society isn't saying that all is well there. Of course it isn't a closed society--but it has some SERIOUS problems, and the report goes into those in detail. They aren't the only country covered in the report, many get a good whack, including the US.

I simply cannot understand how people who rail at Bush for this same type of egregious shit can cheer on Chavez for the EXACT same behavior--the two of them are like two sides of a coin.

Here is the report in PDF format--it's not small, almost six hundred pages--VZ gets one chapter, as well as some commentary in the overview. The chapter says as follows: http://hrw.org/wr2k8/pdfs/wr2k8_web.pdf

After repeatedly winning elections and referendums, and surviving a coup d’etat
in 2002, President Chávez and his supporters have sought to consolidate power
by undermining the independence of the judiciary and the press, institutions
essential for the protection and promotion of human rights.
State interference in trade union elections has weakened the right to free association.
The government has failed to tackle widespread police abuse, and prison
conditions remain among the worst on the continent.
In 2007 fundamental due
process rights, including fair trial rights, were threatened by proposed constitutional
reforms allowing the indefinite suspension of rights during states of emergency.
The reforms were defeated in a national referendum in December.

Independence of the Judiciary
The governing coalition in the Venezuelan National Assembly dealt a severe blow
to judicial independence in December 2004 when it packed the country’s
Supreme Court by adding 12 new justices. A law passed earlier that year expanded
the court from 20 to 32 members. The law also gave the National Assembly the
power to remove judges from the Supreme Court by simple majority, rather than
the two-thirds majority required under the constitution.
Since the 2004 court-packing law, the Supreme Court’s judicial commission has
fired hundreds of provisional judges and granted permanent judgeships to
around a thousand others.


Freedom of Expression
While Venezuela enjoys vibrant public debate on political issues, laws passed
since late 2004 have created dangerous restrictions on the media that pose a
serious threat to freedom of expression.
The Law of Social Responsibility in Radio
and Television, which went into effect in December 2004, establishes detailed
regulations for the content of television and radio programs. For example, stations
deemed to “condone or incite” public disturbances or publish messages
“contrary to the security of the nation” are subject to heavy fines and can be
ordered to suspend broadcasting for 72 hours. Key terms in the law, such as
those quoted above, are ill-defined, inviting politically-motivated applications.
The National Commission of Telecommunications (CONATEL) may issue “precautionary
measures” that prohibit the transmission of outlawed content.
Government officials have regularly threatened opposition media with sanctions
under the Law of Social Responsibility, though no station has in fact been sanctioned
to date for its coverage of events or expressing its political views. During
student protests in May and June 2007, for example, the Directorate of Social
Responsibility (the government body that investigates infractions of the law)
warned stations about transmitting messages that incite hatred and law-breaking,
and announced that the directorate was in permanent session monitoring media
coverage of the protests.
President Chávez has repeatedly responded to critical coverage by threatening
television stations that they would lose their broadcasting rights as soon as their
concessions expired. In the case of Radio Caracas Television (RCTV), he carried
out the threat, announcing at a nationally broadcast military ceremony in
December 2006 that RCTV would not have its concession renewed because of its
support for the 2002 coup. Neither the accusation about the station’s role in the
April 2002 events nor its alleged breach of broadcasting standards were ever
proven in a proceeding in which RCTV had an opportunity to present a defense.
RCTV was removed from the public airwaves when its 20-year concession expired
on May 27, 2007. Several days earlier, in compliance with a Supreme Court order,
the military took control of RCTV’s transmission facilities across the country,
enabling them to be used by TVes, a newly created state channel. RCTV has since
renewed broadcasting as a cable channel.
The government’s administration of broadcasting concessions lacks transparency
and is strongly influenced by political considerations. Other private stations
which have requested permission to extend their frequencies and coverage from
the government broadcasting authority, CONATEL, have had their requests turned
down or ignored for years, while new stations recently created by the state, such
as Vive, Telesur, and TVes, have quickly been approved for national coverage
In March 2005 amendments to the Criminal Code came into force which extended
the scope of Venezuela’s desacato (disrespect) laws, and increased penalties for
criminal defamation and libel. At least eight journalists faced charges in 2007 for
desacato, libel, defamation, and related offenses.
In contrast to its efforts to restrict private media, the government has actively promoted
the growth of nonprofit community broadcast media, and has given substantial
financial backing to new community media ventures. The regulations
include safeguards to protect pluralism and prevent intervention by the government
or political parties in community media. In June 2007 more than 270 community
radio stations and more than 30 community television outlets were
licensed and operating across the country, according to CONATEL.

Freedom of Association
An article of the 1999 Constitution which authorizes the National Electoral
Commission (Comision Nacional Electoral, CNE) to organize trade union elections
is a serious obstacle to freedom of association and collective bargaining rights.
The Ministry of Labor has frequently denied unions the right to represent their
workers
because of delays in the authorization of elections.

Police Killings
Extrajudicial killings by security agents remain a frequent occurrence in
Venezuela. Thousands of extrajudicial executions have been recorded in the last
decade.
Impunity remains the norm. Between January 2000 and February 2007,
the attorney general’s office registered 6,068 alleged killings by the police and
National Guard. Of 1,142 officials charged, only 204 were convicted.
Following several egregious murders implicating police agents, a long overdue
police reform process began in June 2006 when then-Minister of the Interior and
Justice Jesse Chacón convened the National Commission for Police Reform. After
months of broad public consultations and debate, in January 2007 the commission
published recommendations for remodeling public security institutions and
strengthening police oversight. The reforms, however, had yet to be implemented
at this writing.


Prison Conditions
Venezuelan prisons are among the most violent in Latin America. Venezuelan
Prison Watch (Observatorio Venezolano de Prisiones), a Caracas-based group that
monitors prison conditions, reported 370 violent prison deaths and 781 injuries in
the first eight months of 2007. With a homicide rate of more than 20 per 1,000
prisoners, the risk of violent death is greater inside than outside prison
walls.
Weak security and corruption of guards allow armed gangs to effectively
control prisons. Overcrowding, deteriorating infrastructure, and poorly trained
security personnel contribute to the brutal conditions. Despite much fanfare, government
plans to “humanize” the penitentiary system have not resulted in any
notable improvements.

Constitutional Reform Proposals
In 2007 President Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly proposed
far-reaching reforms to the Venezuelan constitution. The reforms, which included
69 amendments covering a wide range of issues, would have enhanced executive
powers during states of emergency to allow the suspension of due process rights
(including essential guarantees like the right to fair trial and the presumption of
innocence), removing constitutional time-limits on emergencies, and eliminating
the Supreme Court’s power to review decrees that suspend rights.
A positive aspect of the reforms was the proposed modification of the constitution’s
nondiscrimination guarantee to include sexual orientation and political
views.
The proposed reforms were narrowly defeated in a national referendum in
December.

Human Rights Defenders
Although human rights advocacy groups operate in Venezuela without legal
restrictions, the government often questions their legitimacy and tries to block
their participation in international human rights fora,
typically on grounds that
their work is political or that they receive US or other foreign funding. In
December 2006 the comptroller general wrote to the Organization of American
States (OAS) objecting to the publication on the OAS website of a report by the
Venezuelan branch of Transparency International about Venezuela’s implementation
of the Inter-American Convention against Corruption. Due to government
objections, Transparency Venezuela was not allowed to present its report at a
meeting of an expert panel of the OAS in June 2007.
Some human rights defenders continue to face threats and intimidation. They
include María del Rosario Guerrero Gallucci and her husband, Adolfo Segundo
Martínez Barrios, members of a human rights group in the state of Guarico that
seeks justice for victims of police killings. The two were shot and wounded by a
police agent in April 2006, and reportedly have been subject to repeated death
threats. In July 2006 the Inter-American Court of Human Rights ordered Venezuela
to take special measures to protect their lives and physical integrity.
Key International Actors
In July 2007, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) transmitted
a live hearing on the case of seven people killed during protests that culminated
in the April 11, 2002 coup attempt against President Chávez. At this writing,
Venezuela has still not set a date for a mission by the IACHR, which has not visited
the country since 2002. The government has conditioned the visit on a public
mea culpa by the commission for what officials consider its failure to condemn
the coup in forthright terms.
In May 2007 the presidency of the European Union issued a statement expressing
concern about the non-renewal of RCTV’s broadcasting concession. The senates
of Chile, Brazil, and the United States issued similar resolutions, while Cuba,
Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua endorsed the decision.



You can pull country-specific bits of the report off the web at this link, to include all of the excesses of the US: http://hrw.org/wr2k8/introduction/index.htm#
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. correct, and the report details abuses of many countries.
It wasn't produced as a collection of Chavez's greatest hits.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. It really is a good read. HRW does a very good job.
VZ is just one chapter of many--and like I said, the US doesn't get a pass. They whack them for Gitmo and a host of other offenses.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #79
105. It isn't that good of a read.
Kenneth Roth isn't a very good writer and his hyperbole is reminiscent of every right-winger I've ever known.

I see no mention of some of the worst crimes against humanity of the past 60 years:

- The invasion of Iraq
- The ten years of sanctions and bombings preceding the invasion, which resulted in the deaths of more than a million people, most of whom were women and children
- The wholesale destruction of entire cities
- The theft of Iraqi assets and resources, including the disappearance of tens of billions of dollars from the Iraqi treasury
- The targeting of military aged males with "shoot to kill" orders
- The deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens
- the contamination of the Iraqi landscape with radioactive waste
- The general destruction of Iraqi society

and on and on and on.

But none of this matters if one proceeds from the assumption that the invasion of Iraq is legitimate, and thus morally acceptable, which is exactly what this report does. Criticism of U.S. offenses is cast within a framework of legitimacy for the "war on terror", when everyone really knows the "war" is a pretext for securing control of oil reserves. It seems to be providing cover for the worst atrocities of all - committed by the U.S. government - and pointing fingers in other directions, away from the real scoundrel.

But as long as we're "free" and have plenty of cheap gasoline, lottery tickets and beer, life is just peachy, isn't it? Who cares if we're responsible for most of the war and oppression in the world, as long as we aren't personally affected by it? Huh MADem?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #105
110. If you read the thing, they tell you they aren't giving an ALL INCLUSIVE laundry list.
They pick and choose based on staff, assets, and time to do their work. They don't pretend it's complete. It's a snapshot.

You might volunteer to help them, rather than criticize them. IF you really gave a shit, and this was "so important" to you.

They do the work no one else bothers to do.

Easier to gripe and find fault than contribute, though, eh? HUH??? HUH, ronnie624? Clutch the pearls and tell us all how half empty that glass is....

Your faux outrage doesn't move me, but thanks for playing.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. They couldn't find the time and resources
to include the worst crimes against humanity of all?

Such nonsense.

I see no meaning in the remainder of your gibberish.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #112
122. How unfortunate for you.
You don't see any meaning because you are challenged, apparently, to comprehend the written word. What's nonsense and gibberish to you is perfectly clear to anyone with an eighth grade reading ability in the English language who has actually read the report.

That is a problem for you, certainly. You have my sympathies.

:hi:

:rofl:
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #122
123. Yes, I know. You've said it hundreds, if not thousands of times,
practically in every other message you post.

You're the only DUer possessing the ability to read.

How fortunate everyone is, that you are here to interpret all of this information for us.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. You really can't read. I'm NOT here to "interpret" for you. Sorry!
And I never claimed the title Of "Only DUer Possessing The Ability To Read" you ascribe to me, either.

The material is there for you to go through if you want to sit down and actually read it, instead of complaining that it isn't sufficient to suit you. Apparently, you'd rather criticize the work of others who actually do get off their asses and try to address these difficult issues. Perhaps one day you might get off your six and offer the world a "better" version of HRW's effort. Let us know when you're ready to present your opus.


:hi:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. Well, hey, why not include HRW's report on Bush's US?
United States
Events of 2007
Bush administration resistance to scrutiny of its counterterrorism policies and past abuses continues to be a major obstacle to human rights improvement in the United States. Despite some efforts in Congress to change practices violating basic human rights, there was no evident progress concerning the treatment of so-called enemy combatants, including those held at Guantánamo Bay, or the use of secret detention facilities.

Domestically, undocumented migrant workers faced an increased risk of detention, and other non-citizens were blocked from vindicating their rights in court. Persons convicted of crimes faced harsh sentencing policies and in some cases abusive conditions in US prisons.

Racial discrimination again emerged as a prominent issue in 2007, when six African-American high school students in Jena, Louisiana, were charged as adults with a range of serious crimes for the 2006 beating of a white student. The case sparked protests and the charges were widely viewed as excessive and discriminatory, especially as compared with the treatment of white Jena youths involved in other incidents.

Guantanamo Bay, Indefinite Detention, and Military Commissions

The Department of Defense released over 100 detainees from Guantanamo Bay in 2007, but about 305 remained at this writing. Most of these men have been held without charge for six years. Over a dozen Chinese Uighurs, and likely several more individuals of other nationalities, were long ago cleared for release yet remain incarcerated at Guantanamo. The government acknowledges the Uighurs likely would be ill-treated if returned to China.

In other cases, the United States, in violation of its international obligations, has repatriated detainees without any meaningful or independent assessment of the risk of torture or abuse they faced upon return. In such cases the US has claimed that “diplomatic assurances”—or promises of humane treatment—from the receiving government were sufficient protection against abuse, despite compelling evidence to the contrary.

In December 2005 Congress passed the Detainee Treatment Act, preventing Guantanamo detainees from bringing future habeas corpus petitions to challenge the lawfulness of their detention or any mistreatment. In September 2006 the Military Commissions Act made these provisions retroactive and extended them to all detained non-citizen “unlawful enemy combatants.” After the November 2006 congressional elections, legislation that would have lifted the habeas-stripping provisions passed the Senate, but fell short of the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster. The Supreme Court agreed to review the constitutionality of the habeas-stripping provisions, with a decision expected by mid-2008.

In June a federal appellate court ruled that these same habeas-stripping provisions could not be applied to Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a Qatari in the US on a student visa, whom the US administration had declared an “enemy combatant” just weeks before his trial for financial fraud and giving false statements. Having already spent four years in solitary confinement in a military brig in South Carolina, al-Marri’s only outside contact has been with his lawyers, who had to sue in US court for access to him. The appeals court ruled that al-Marri could not be stripped of his right to bring a habeas challenge to his detention and ordered the government to either charge him in federal court or release him. At this writing, the order was stayed pending appeal.

Congress authorized a new system of military commissions in 2006 after the US Supreme Court in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld declared unlawful the military commissions set up in 2001 by the Bush administration to try non-citizens accused of terrorism. While these new commissions, which are entirely separate from the federal court system, address some of the concerns of the old commissions, they still fall far short of the due process standards provided by federal courts. For example, statements obtained through “cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment” prior to December 30, 2005, are admissible so long as a judge finds that they are probative and “reliable.” The ad hoc nature of the process raises further fair trial concerns.

Australian David Hicks, whose plea agreement in March 2007 makes him the only Guantanamo detainee to be convicted of a criminal offense, was scheduled to be released from custody in Australia in December, upon completion of his nine-month sentence.

To date only three other Guantanamo detainees had been charged under the commissions: Salim Hamdan, Omar Khadr, and Mohamed Jawad. Both Khadr and Jawad were juveniles—15 and 17, respectively—when they were first brought to Guantanamo close to six years ago. The Bush administration has said that it ultimately plans to try up to 80 Guantanamo detainees before the commissions.

Jose Padilla was convicted in federal court in 2007 of conspiracy to aid terrorism, but prosecutors did not pursue long-trumpeted allegations that he had been planning to detonate a radioactive “dirty” bomb in Chicago. The government agreed not to use any statements made by Padilla during his more than three years in incommunicado military detention, presumably because such statements were elicited during abusive interrogation.

Torture Policy

Over the past two years, Congress and the courts have repudiated the Bush administration’s authorization of abusive interrogation techniques that amount to torture. In response the Pentagon announced new rules applicable to all interrogations carried out by the United States armed forces and disavowed many abusive techniques. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), however, contends that it is not bound by these rules, and the administration has gone to great lengths to justify the CIA’s continued use of certain techniques banned for use by the military. According to an October 2007 New York Times article, the Department of Justice issued legal memoranda in 2005 that authorized the use of waterboarding (simulated drowning), head slapping, and exposure to frigid temperatures, and ruled that neither these techniques, nor any other techniques being employed by the CIA, violated the then-pending legislation prohibiting cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. In October 2007 the Bush administration’s candidate for attorney general, Michael Mukasey, refused to repudiate waterboarding as a form of torture in his confirmation hearings.

In July 2007 the administration issued an executive order providing legal authorization for the so-called “CIA program” in which detainees are held incommunicado and subject to reportedly abusive interrogations. Michael McConnell, Director of National Intelligence, said on July 22, 2007 that he “would not want a US citizen to go through the process” of being subjected to some of the techniques approved for use by the CIA.

Secret Prisons

In April 2007 the Department of Defense announced the transfer to Guantanamo of another detainee who was previously held in CIA custody, suggesting that secret prisons (temporarily closed after President Bush’s admission that they existed in 2006) were up and running again. Human Rights Watch has identified 39 other people we believe were held in secret prisons; administration officials have indicated the total number to be about 100. Under international law those persons remain unlawfully “disappeared” until the United States can account for them. In July President Bush issued an executive order providing authorization for this “CIA program,” despite the patent illegality of incommunicado detention under international law.

Accountability for Detainee and Civilian Abuse

Despite a number of official investigations into abuse of detainees in US custody in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay, the United States has done little to hold those involved accountable. Prosecutions of military personnel have focused almost exclusively on low-ranking personnel, and no one has been charged under the doctrine of command responsibility. Over a dozen cases referred to the Department of Justice for prosecution by the military and others have been sitting idle for years. No CIA agents have been prosecuted for abuse, and only one civilian contractor has faced criminal charges.

On September 16, 2007, a convoy of contractors from the Blackwater security firm fired into a crowded street in Baghdad, killing at least 17 civilians. This incident has galvanized international attention to the effective immunity from prosecution under Iraqi and US law enjoyed by many of the almost 180,000 contractors supporting US operations in Iraq. At this writing, legislation expanding federal jurisdiction over felonies committed by contractors overseas was pending before Congress.

Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen arbitrarily arrested and transferred by the US to Afghanistan, where he was beaten and held incommunicado for several months, and Maher Arar, a dual Canadian-Syrian citizen secretly detained and sent by the US to Syria, where he was tortured and imprisoned for 10 months, brought lawsuits against the US challenging their mistreatment. US courts have dismissed both cases, accepting the administration’s position that the courts should not review the government’s actions. El-Masri asked the Supreme Court in 2007 to review the dismissal of his case, but the court declined to do so.

Denial of Refugee Protection

US law allows authorities to deny refugee protection to people believed to have associated with or provided “material support” to any armed group. The broad terms of the law have led authorities to deny rights to persons who fit the refugee definition under international law, including rape victims forced into domestic servitude by rebel groups. In 2007 the administration began to issue a small number of waivers to prevent innocent civilians from being barred as terrorists. Over 3,000 refugees—mostly from Burma—and a handful of asylum seekers have benefited, but implementation has been slow, the administration’s waiver authority is limited, and families have been separated as a result. Legislation that would expand the waiver authority was pending before Congress at this writing.

Incarceration

There are more than 2.2 million persons in US prisons and jails, an increase of 500 percent from 30 years ago. A June 2007 report by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) found that the incarcerated population continued to grow in 2006, experiencing its largest one-year increase in six years. The United States now has both the largest incarcerated population and the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world, with a rate five times that of England and Wales, seven times that of Canada, and more than 10 times that of Japan.

The burden of incarceration falls disproportionately on members of racial and ethnic minorities. Black men are incarcerated at 6.5 times the rate of white men, and 11.7 percent of all black males age 25 to 29 are in prison or jail. The US government failed to explain or address these rates in its 2007 report to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, hearings on which are expected in February 2008.

As the prison population grows, so does the challenge of providing adequate medical and mental health care. A September 2006 BJS report found that more than half of all prisoners—and nearly three-quarters of all female prisoners—suffer from a mental health problem such as major depression or a psychotic disorder.

In California a federal judge found that medical care in the state’s prisons violated the US Constitution’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. In 2006 the judge appointed a receiver to oversee prison medical care, stripping that function from the state government. In September 2007 the receiver issued a report finding that 15 percent of California prisoner deaths were either preventable or possibly preventable.

Enacted by the US Congress in 1996, the Prison Litigation Reform Act (PLRA) creates a variety of obstacles for prisoners seeking to challenge their conditions of confinement or otherwise vindicate their rights in court. In January 2007 the US Supreme Court issued a decision overturning some particularly restrictive interpretations of the PLRA by lower federal courts.

The Death Penalty and Juvenile Life without Parole

State governments executed 42 prisoners between January and October 2007, bringing the total number of men and women executed in the United States to 1099 since 1977. Almost all were killed by lethal injection; one was electrocuted.

With growing evidence that lethal injection may be a very painful way to die, executions in many states were halted in 2007. In September 2007 the US Supreme Court agreed to consider the constitutionality of lethal injection in the case of two Kentucky death row prisoners claiming that lethal injection amounts to cruel and unusual punishment. Lethal injections in the US are expected to decrease substantially until the court issues its decision sometime in 2008.

In 2007 Human Rights Watch revised upward, from 2,225 to at least 2,380, our estimate of the number of US prisoners serving sentences of life without parole for crimes committed when they were under 18. The number of such prisoners in the rest of world combined is eight. Efforts at reforming this excessively punitive sentence for young offenders continued in several states across the country, including in Michigan and California.

Women’s Rights

Women’s rights in the United States suffered major setbacks at the Supreme Court in 2007. One court decision severely restricted challenges to unequal pay (women earn only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men), another upheld the exclusion of in-home care workers from certain federal wage and overtime protections (89 percent of such workers are women), and a third upheld a ban on a medically approved late-term abortion method, adding to existing regulatory and financial obstacles to safe abortion.

The US continues to channel its international assistance toward programs that compromise sexual and reproductive health and rights. In 2007, a significant portion of US funding for HIV/AIDS prevention continued to be earmarked for programs that promote abstinence until marriage, regardless of whether such programs were likely to be effective and without sufficient regard for abuses that put women, even those who abstain until marriage, at high risk for HIV.

In a positive step, the Senate in 2007 approved a bill that would overturn the “global gag rule”—a series of restrictions on what recipients of US reproductive health aid can do and say on abortion. At this writing, it remained unclear whether the bill would become law.

Jena

In August 2006 an African-American high school student in Jena, Louisiana, challenged the de facto racial segregation of his school’s grounds by asking permission to sit under the “white tree” on campus. The next day three nooses hung from the tree. School authorities responded inadequately, further stoking racial tensions. In December 2006 six African-American youth at the high school beat up a white youth, who suffered a concussion and other injuries. The six youth were charged as adults with a range of serious crimes including attempted murder, spurring a nationwide outcry over what were seen as excessive, racially discriminatory charges. In September 2007 an appeals court vacated the conviction for aggravated battery of the first of the six to be tried, Mychal Bell; the prosecutor said he would appeal the ruling.

Sex Offenders

In a 2007 report, No Easy Answers, Human Rights Watch found that, as currently conceived, many sex offender registry laws do little to prevent sexual violence and violate fundamental human rights. Offenders on publicly available registries find it difficult to obtain or keep employment and housing. Some have been murdered and many are harassed by strangers who find their information online. Residency restrictions lead to homelessness and transience for some convicted sex offenders, which interfere with their effective tracking, monitoring, and supervision by law enforcement officers; this in turn may make repeat offenses more likely.

Sex offender laws ignore the full reality of sexual violence in the US. Child safety advocates question the focus in current law on “stranger danger” and already convicted offenders because more than 90 percent of child sexual abuse is committed by someone the child knows and trusts. Authoritative studies show that three out of four sex offenders do not re-offend within 15 years of release from prison and 87 percent of sex crimes are committed by individuals without a previous conviction for a sex offense.

Rights of Non-Citizens
Immigration reform legislation continued to be stymied in 2007 by disagreements among lawmakers on whether or how to regularize the status of millions of undocumented migrant workers. According to the US Census, there were 37.5 million non-citizens living in the United States in 2006.

State and local governments passed at least 182 laws in 2007 limiting access to public benefits and state-issued identification cards, or punishing landlords or employers for doing business with undocumented workers. Many of these laws were found unconstitutional or temporarily halted by courts. Federal immigration authorities stepped up workplace raids in California, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, and elsewhere, splitting many families and leading to mistaken arrests and transfers of migrants to detention centers in remote locations far from their legal counsel.

A 2007 Human Rights Watch report, Forced Apart, found that non-citizens who have lived in the country for decades, including lawful permanent residents, have been summarily deported after criminal convictions, even for minor crimes. In fact, 64 percent of the non-citizens deported in 2005 were deported for non-violent crimes such as drug possession or theft. The deportations occur after the non-citizen has finished serving his or her sentence.

According to US Citizenship and Immigration Services, 672,593 non-citizens were deported for crimes between 1997 and 2005. Human Rights Watch estimates that at least 1.6 million spouses and children, many of whom are US citizens, were separated from their family members as a result. US law gives immigration judges no opportunity to balance the individual’s crime against his or her family relationships, other connections to the United States such as military service or economic ties, or likelihood of persecution in the country of origin.

Deportation and workplace raids are enforcement measures that US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) authorities combine with the daily detention of some 28,000 non-citizens. Endemic problems in detention facilities continued in 2007, including deaths in custody, inadequate medical care, inappropriate and punitive housing for non-citizen children, interference with access to counsel and to family members, and prolonged detention.

The death in July 2007 of Victoria Arellano, a 23-year-old transgender detainee, in US immigration custody is an extreme, but not surprising, example of the suffering experienced by immigration detainees with HIV/AIDS. The US fails to ensure that detainees with HIV/AIDS receive medical care that complies with recognized standards for correctional health care. Medical care in facilities operated or supervised by ICE is delayed, interrupted, and inconsistent to an extent that endangers the health and lives of many detainees.

Lawsuits, congressional hearings, and proceedings before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights have brought increased scrutiny to detention of non-citizen children, though generally not improved conditions. In one notable exception, lawyers in Texas won a settlement that improved conditions and ensured the release of dozens of children.

http://hrw.org/englishwr2k8/docs/2008/01/31/usdom17770.htm

As we both know, this doesn't touch on the more vicious aspects of right-wing foreign policy, like funding opposition movements to destabilize governments, and overthrow them, and constant black ops, including disinformation campaigns, etc. Pity!

At least SOME of us pay close attention!
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. sure why not present the complete picture of any country detailed in the report?
a good idea indeed. the report was generated to highlight abuses, not to bestow praise on Chavez.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. I don't understand this desire to play the "Well, the US is WORSE" game
as though that somehow "mitigates" the Venezuelan difficulties. It doesn't. It's not a contest.

If you show up in a HRW report, like the US, VZ, Turkey, Afghanistan and a HOST of other nations, you've got some MAJOR work to do in terms of "Human Rights"--which is their Theme Cause.

I don't recall seeing New Zealand in there...but I could have missed them!

:rofl:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #81
93. Why? You really don't understand?

Many people right here believe that Venezuela is a dictatorship and that the United States is a democratic republic that respects human rights. So putting the negative aspects of the the HRW report on Venezuela up against the negative aspects of the HRW on the United States might perhaps clarify the situation. Compared to us, Venezuela has far more respect for human rights. Placing venezuela relative to other nations with respect to human rights issues is not playing a game, it is an entirely reasonable way to understand the reality of the situation.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #93
96. If anyone points out a VZ failing, it's always answered with US invective, as though
the two are linked and the poster, no matter who they are, BELIEVES that dictatorship-democratic republic dichotomy that you are shopping. Even when the poster disabuses them of that notion, the discussion always devolves to "Two Wrongs" and the actual problems are not discussed. People within VZ who protest the situation are always painted in the worst light, no matter what, even though it took the very POOR to rein the guy in with his "Shorter work week, but what I say, goes" attempt at a power grab recently.

As I have said, I believe Bush and Chavez are two sides of the same bogus coin. The reason they aren't "as bad" as us is because they aren't fighting a bigass war for oil on the world stage. But they manage to murder and abuse plenty of their own citizens, and in pretty egregious ways, too--but see, there's the "But America is WORSE" argument, again.

And boy-oh-boy, if I say a word about a situation in VZ, like court packing or prison abuses, there's no chance of discussing the issue because if it ain't TWO WRONGS, it's the "You're being MEEEEEAN to Saint Hugo" crowd coming out in force. Some people don't see the guy as anything but a kindly fellow who is a good shepherd, and they don't seem to understand that a guy who really wants to make change will encourage participatory democracy, not put stooges and yes men in key jobs. Saint Hugo DOES have a hubris problem, and he's a bit WHACKY too. He believes his own press, and when it isn't to his liking, he crafts it so that it is.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #93
106. Indeed.
The U.S. is described by HRW, as being a member of the "club of democracies", despite the fact that many of the countries which are criticized by the report are, in fact, traditional victims of U.S. foreign policy. In many cases, the human rights violations of which these countries are accused, are a direct result of U.S. intervention.

In my opinion, a government cannot be honestly described as a democracy, when it has a long and bloody history of subverting democracy in other countries.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #81
129. "Hypocrite! remove the logs stuck in your own eye first, so you'll see clearly enough to remove the
speck in your brother's eye"
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:15 PM
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126. Most of this is bullshit. Packing the Supreme Court? FDR tried that--
and got called a "dictator" for it. He did not succeed, but his pressure on the Supreme Court SAVED SOCIAL SECURITY from being declared unconstitutional by the fatcat justices appointed by the previous "Crash of '29" rightwing regimes.

He also ran for and won FOUR terms in office, and died in this fourth term. He was "president for life." FDR!

But to get back to HRW's unprofessional, poorly researched diatribe against Venezuela, above:

"Venezuela: Court Orders Trial of Civil Society Leaders." One, they were NOT charged with treason. Two, they took thousands of dollars in U.S./Bushite donations to organize the political recall election against Chavez, which VIOLATES VENEZUELAN LAW. We have that law, too--no foreign money in political campaigns. (They dinged Bill Clinton on it!)

Really, this is an untrustworthy list of charges against Venezuela. It reads like it was written by some low-level CIA recent hire, trying to please his/her bosses. It is low on fact, and screwy in its perspective. You can take almost any fact and put a negative spin on it. Is Hugo Chavez trying the bust up the old entrenched rightwing establishment that got Venezuela into so much trouble, by balancing the old corrupt judges with BETTER judges? Yup. Is that "undemocratic"? Nope. Not unless he's shooting them!

Chavez's actions are LAWFUL. So were FDR's. (The U.S. Constitution does not specify the number of Supreme Court justices. Nine is an arbitrary number. Ergo, Congress can change it--and add justices. Ergo, the President can pressure Congress to do so. It's LEGAL. It is NOT "dictatorship.")

Christ, Hugo Chavez puts constitutional changes to a VOTE OF THE PEOPLE! And when he suffered a rare defeat, on constitutional issues, recently--lost by a hair (50.7% to 49.3%)--he immediately conceded.

And even if he had not, even if he had demanded a recount (reasonable, in a close vote), is that "dictatorship"--or is that DEMOCRACY?

These HRW/CIA freshmen mistake rightful political advocacy--in Chavez's case, advocacy for the poor majority--and normal political ambition, within what is actually an extraordinarily democratic system, for tyranny. No, I take that back--it not a "mistake." It is spin. It is the spin they were told to put on these poorly researched facts.

Politicians are ALWAYS seeking more power for their cause. That's what they DO. The key is, do they respect democratic process and checks and balances?

When has President Chavez NOT respected the law, the will of the people and democratic process? Indeed, he has taken great steps to create maximum citizen participation. Is that not a significant "trend"--everybody participating, instead of only the rich elite participating?

As for "checks and balances," the people saved him from the coup. He owes them his life. That is the greatest "check and balance" of all. But, in addition, he has the REMAINING frothing-at-the-mouth rightwing TV/radio stations and newspapers--rampant in Venezuela, where the right basically owns the media (as here, only worse)--who DIDN'T directly break the law and lose their broadcasting license. Plus a highly transparent election system (one that puts ours to shame) by which the people elect the president, the national legislature and all other officers, and decide all questions of constitutional change by a general plebiscite! And they are now going to have a better judicial system, by god. Chavez is IMPROVING it, on behalf of the majority, and why shouldn't he--if what he does is lawful, if he has been lawfully and transparently elected, and if he has a 60% to 70% approval rating, and has enjoyed increasing levels of approval throughout his presidency?

HRW is twisting and distorting facts, in this list, to suit the global corporate agenda of ousting Chavez and his populist government for OTHER REASONS than their lying meme that it is "undemocratic." Chavez's impacts on the World Bank loan sharks is one of them--his REGIONAL initiatives and popularity. Another is this: It's not Chavez they are after, it's the people who support Chavez--the majority. The global corporate predators want to disenfranchise and suppress the majority--the poor--and take their resources (oil, gas and others), and re-enslave them in "free trade" sweatshops. Chavez is a significant leader away from these global corporate power trends--and, in particular, away from historic U.S./corporate domination--not to mention heinous brutality--in Latin America. They want him stopped. That's why HRW says the "trend" is "undemocratic." They and their ilk have been proven wrong about Chavez, time and again. So now they have to use words like "trend" to slander this highly successful, peaceful, lawful, democratic, leftist revolution.

"Trend," my ass. The TREND in South America is, at lo-o-o-o-o-o-ong last, after so much U.S./corporate-instigated suffering, going in a VERY POSITIVE direction, toward enfranchisement of the majority, social justice and democracy. It is, indeed, an historic and an amazing development, and one that we poor suckers here in BushWorld need to learn from. As Evo Morales--the first indigenous president of Bolivia, and a close friend and ally of Chavez--has said: "The time of the people has come."

And there ain't nothing that HRW can do about it, with its slimy little report, grudgingly admitting that, well, he's not a tyrant, exactly, but look at all this rightwing opposition "evidence" that evolution, global warming and the theory of the spherical shape of the earth are all wrong, and Chavez is actually, in his heart, a "dictator," or will be some day, if we don't get funding to watch him carefully.

Rightwing garbage, in the service of corporate puppetmasters.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:04 AM
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27. extrajudicial killings
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:04 AM by Bacchus39
Police Killings

Extrajudicial killings by security agents remain a frequent occurrence in Venezuela. Thousands of extrajudicial executions have been recorded in the last decade. Impunity remains the norm. Between January 2000 and February 2007, the attorney general’s office registered 6,068 allege killings by the police and National Guard. Of 1,142 officials charged, only 204 were convicted.

Following several egregious murders implicating police agents, a long overdue police reform process began in June 2006 when then-Minister of the Interior and Justice Jesse Chacón convened the National Commission for Police Reform. After months of broad public consultations and debate, in January 2007 the commission published recommendations for remodeling public security institutions and strengthening police oversight. The reforms, however, had yet to be implemented at this writing.

http://hrw.org/wr2k8/pdfs/wr2k8_web.pdf

page 229
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #27
38. Some people allege that Hillary killed Vince Foster.
So, since some people say, it must be true.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. I guess we should take our news from only fair and balanced sources like Granma and Prensa Latina
pages 206-207

Freedom of Expression and Assembly
The Cuban government maintains a media monopoly on the island, ensuring that
freedom of expression is virtually nonexistent. Although a small number of independent
journalists manage to write articles for foreign websites or publish
underground newsletters, the risks associated with these activities are consider-
able. According to Reporters Without Borders, 25 journalists were serving prison
terms in Cuba as of July 2007, most of them charged with threatening “the national
independence and economy of Cuba.” This makes the country second only to
China for the number of journalists in prison.
Access to information via the internet is also highly restricted in Cuba. In late
August 2006 the dissident and independent journalist Guillermo Fariñas ended a
seven-month hunger strike in opposition to the regime’s internet policy. He began
the strike after the Cuban authorities shut down his email access, which he had
been using to send dispatches abroad describing attacks on dissidents and other
human rights abuses.
Freedom of assembly is severely restricted in Cuba and political dissidents are
generally prohibited from meeting in large groups. This was evident in mid-
September 2006 during the 14th summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in
Havana, when the Cuban government issued a ban on all gatherings that might
damage “the image” of the city.
Prison Conditions
Prisoners are generally kept in poor and abusive conditions, often in overcrowded
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #43
91. For certain, we want to avoid everything but the CIA-controlled media.
Journalism is a perfect cover for CIA agents. People talk freely to journalists, and few think suspiciously of a journalist aggressively searching for information. Journalists also have power, influence and clout. Not surprisingly, the CIA began a mission in the late 1940s to recruit American journalists on a wide scale, a mission it dubbed Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The agency wanted these journalists not only to relay any sensitive information they discovered, but also to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed.

The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today’s publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post’s ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (8)

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:
  • Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
  • William Paley (President, CBS)
  • Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
  • Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
  • Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)
  • Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
  • Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
  • James Copley (Copley News Services)
  • Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
  • C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
  • Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
  • ABC
  • NBC
  • Associated Press
  • United Press International
  • Reuters
  • Hearst Newspapers
  • Scripps-Howard
  • Newsweek magazine
  • Mutual Broadcasting System
  • Miami Herald
  • Old Saturday Evening Post
  • New York Herald-Tribune
Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:
We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.
This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.

More:
http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
47. Extrajudicial killings are a problem all over Latin America (and here, too).
Whether its cops operating as death squads in Rio de Janeiro or Kingston, Jamaica...

Or the Colombian military dressing up dead civilians as guerrillas...

Or American SWAT teams gunning down mothers holding infants, as happened in Lima, Ohio, last month...

I suspect most of these killings by cops in Venezuela fit the mold of Rio or Kingston--that they are brutal, frustrated police killing poor urban criminals (or criminals to be)--and that they are not assassinations of political opponents by the regime.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #47
74. yet they are still dead at the hands of government authorities
and yes the report details abuses of numerous countries.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #27
89. and of course, this is CHAVEZ' fault
not the fault of, I don't know...years of institutionalized backwards practices and generations of being a Third-World country.

Everything that goes wrong in Venezuela...Chavez...Chavez was at fault.

Where were you nitpickers when pro-U.S. white Venezuelan elites ruled that nation? I never heard nitpicking then.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
121. Perhaps the remaining 938 cases were unresolved
because of a lack of evidence. The "opposition" does have a history of making unsubstantiated claims.


Venezuelan Opposition Case Thrown Out of International Criminal Court

Caracas, Venezuela, February 17, 2006—The International Criminal Court (ICC) rejected an appeal by Venezuelan opposition groups to prosecute the Venezuelan government for human rights violations. Chief Prosecutor for the ICC, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, said the charges had a, “lack of precision as well as internal and external inconsistencies in the information.”

*******

On February 9, the ICC issued a statement saying the court was unable to move forward with a formal investigation. This was because the information provided did not match the allegations.

First, the ICC said no evidence had been given to the court, “to believe that war crimes have been committed.” For the information provided relating to crimes against humanity, the ICC said the, “numerous” factual problems meant it was not, “reliable.”

Problems included naming the same person repeatedly on lists of alleged murder victims. Many claims were made without names or dates. There were also, “frequent inconsistencies in victims’ names, ages, and location of alleged incidents.”

<http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/1624>


It's good that HRW is finally admitting the truth (grudgingly). Perhaps the organizations credibility would improve, if they would stop presenting hearsay as fact in their "reports".

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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:33 AM
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36. mmm..mmm..... pass the crack pipe this way
I travel to South Am. on a regular basis...Venezuela is about as democratic as Fujimoris' Peru was.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #36
56. And your reason for saying so is... ?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #36
100. yes, please pass him the crack pipe
he obviously smokes it.

He also smokes "I believe everything I'm told by Republicans" cigarettes, and dabbles in the occasional , "I can't take the truth, so let's get high" LSD trip.

Move along....
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:00 PM
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107.  Chavez is Not leaving power at the end of his term....
Everyone in South America knows this. He is not going anywhere. He knows the minute he does leave power his reforms will fold like a house of cards.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. As the people of Venezuela who have elected him in landslide elections
have said, the Bolivarian Revolution is permanent, whether Chavez is President or not.

I'm afraid you're not going to get to have your U.S. fascist-controlled Latin American dream to look forward to in the years to come. Might as well resign yourself to it.

They're most clearly not going back.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #108
114. The same crap, over and over again.
Chavez isn't quite a dictator yet, but he will be at some point in the future.

Mark their words.

:eyes:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. We're living in the movie, "Night of the Living Dead Posters." They return, over and over,
mumbling the same charges, even after they've been shot down by every standard.

They just swat the real information aside, and keep on staggering around here, all puffed up and ready to rumble.

http://fecundstench.com.nyud.net:8090/images/Misc/Zombies.jpg
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #115
128. LOL! Thanks, I needed that!
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 01:54 PM by sfexpat2000
:hi:
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #107
113. You start talking when it ACTUALLY happens
Until then, Chavez' keeps winning referendums (minus the last reforms), and you have egg on your face. You're starting to sound like a broken record.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
40. Lol... Hug for Judi
love ya friend

:hug:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #40
118. Hi, fascisthunter. Your words go a very long way. Really enjoy your posts.
:hi: :hug:
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:58 AM
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46. Sent this on to a winger who srote a LttE in Phily Inquirer complaining about
Chavez's and RFK, Jr.'s oil program for America's poor.
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:14 PM
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48. Let's see, how does it compare to Saudi Arabia, our buddies? n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:35 PM
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51. Confirming the plainly obvious. Only Delusional NeoCons suffer shock that AmeriKKKa
is not ... uhmm ...

1.) the epitome of human perfection? NO!

2.) is not ... dispositive to autocratic rule decades after screaming, "Sandinista terrorists are approaching Texas!"

I'm betting on option #2 :rofl: No one takes the NeoCons seriously on the human rights front, and their rhetoric on Venezuela is transparent.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:49 PM
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57. Exactly. The problem is that in fascist Miami, Florida, anything to the left of Hitler is socialist
I live here. It's not easy.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Only place I've ever heard of with right-wing hate merchants controlling the radio who target actual
people in the community they hate politically, naming them, and giving out their phone numbers and addresses so people will terrorize them!

It was no fluke that the American F.B.I. designated Miami as the "American Terror Capital."

Where else could a woman send in a letter to the editor of the local paper criticizing the mayor only to have her door bell ring late at night and find the ####ing MAYOR HIMSELF standing there on her step, ready to tear into her for her comments!

If I'm not mistaken she slammed the door and called the cops. Christ!

People lose their jobs for hacking off these pigs. Six actual layers of employees, of ascending levels from the State of Florida office clerk were fired when the grandmother of a Cuban Senator, Rudy Garcia, didn't like her tone of voice when she went to pick up her supply of food stamps!

The bombings, the beatings, the massive corruption! How do normal people keep their sanity in Miami?

And now the right-wing extremists' faction within the Cuban community has bonded with their equivalent partners in the Venezuelan expatriot community. My God! Too many assholes in one place.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #62
85. Oh you have NO IDEA. You've got to remember that Miami was established by
many (not just Cuban) mega-wealthy Central American fascists who ran from their countries when the scam they had going ended or was about to end. Miami is also a haven for outright political and all kinds of criminals. The place is pretty much a sewer.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:24 PM
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83. Here's a report on Venezuela published in 1999. You recall Chavez was inaugurated 2-2-99.
Human Rights Developments
Venezuela’s intractable human rights problems, especially the ingrained abuses that have long been a feature of law enforcement work, remained of primary concern to human rights defenders during 1998. Police continued to use excessively violent methods against criminal suspects, including unjustified lethal force. Although Venezuelan human rights groups reported a significant decline in the number of deaths in such circumstances compared with previous years, the total number was still over one hundred for the first seven months of the year. Both police and military personnel beat and tortured suspects with little fear of punishment, given the virtual absence of prosecutions for this type of abuse. Although a vagrancy law that had been used to arbitrarily detain suspects was declared unconstitutional in October 1997, widespread arbitrary arrests were still reported during police anti-crime sweeps. At the same time, archaic judicial procedures and an underpaid and inefficient judiciary contributed to long delays in the trials of criminal suspects. Pre-trial imprisonment often extended for years, and two-thirds of the prison population had not even received a final sentence.

Prison conditions were among the grimmest on the continent, due to overcrowding, lack of staff, corruption, and extreme levels of inmate violence.

A more constructive position adopted by the government of President Rafael Caldera toward nongovernmental human rights groups created a favorable climate for measures to improve respect for human rights. Paradoxically, however, the greater legitimacy and official acceptance enjoyed by human rights defenders was offset by an increase in the number of death threats and other forms of harassment they suffered during the year.

The Venezuelan Program of Action and Education in Human Rights (Programa Venezolana de Educación y Acción en Derechos Humanos, PROVEA), a respected human rights monitoring group, reported 104 deaths resulting from the illegal use of lethal force in the first seven months of the year. This alarming figure represented a drop of more than 30 percent from the annual average of such cases reported since 1994. More than half of these cases were attributed to members of state and municipal police forces, the worst offenders being the Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana, PM) and municipal police forces in Caracas and the state and municipal police forces of Zulia and Lara states. All three police forces that operated at a national level were also blamed by human rights groups and in press reports for deaths: the Technical Judicial Police (Policía Técnica Judicial , PTJ), which is responsible for criminal investigations, the National Guard (Guardia Nacional, GN), a volunteer force that is part of the Venezuelan armed forces, and the Directorate of Services of Intelligence and Prevention (Dirección de Servicios de Inteligencia y Prevención, DISIP), dependent on the Interior Ministry and responsible for investigation of subversion and drug trafficking. Approximately half of the deaths recorded were apparent extrajudicial executions, while twenty-two criminal suspects were reported to have died in custody.

In some instances, police appeared to have searched for criminal suspects then executed them on the spot. Police, fabricatingevidence, sometimes claimed afterward to have fired in self-defense. In some cases, police seemed to have executed criminal suspects as revenge for prior attacks against officers. In a number of cases, the killings appeared to be the result of mistaken identity. In addition to deliberate killings, innocent civilians were killed or wounded because of indiscriminate or reckless shooting by police, often apparently unprovoked.

The case of sixteen-year-old Arturo José Hernández, a vendor at a vegetable market, illustrated the problem of police violence. Hernández was hit by gunfire on January 24, when members of the Metropolitan Police entered the Plan de La Silsa neighborhood in Caracas, reportedly firing their weapons wildly. According to neighbors’ accounts published in the press, Hernández was surrounded by police after falling with a gunshot wound. Rising to his knees, he showed his identification and begged for his life to be spared. The police took him away on a motorcycle. Hernández’s mother, Luisa Ramírez Mora, after searching in vain in hospitals and police stations, went to the Metropolitan Police headquarters, where she was told that her son was in the Bello Monte morgue. She found him with three bullet wounds in the chest. The forensic report reportedly documented other injuries, including compound fractures in his left leg and right wrist, a collapsed skull, and bruises to his back and disfigurement, suggesting that he had been tortured after entering police custody.

Relatives who denounced unlawful killings by police often faced harassment and threats. On June 8, for instance, municipal police from the Caracas district of Sucre fatally shot eighteen-year-old Freddy Antonio Díaz in circumstances that indicated that the police had, at the very least, used their weapons recklessly. At about 10:00 that evening, Yolima Díaz Rangel, a resident of the Caracas suburb of Petare, was told that municipal police officers were mistreating her fourteen-year-old nephew, Alí Eduardo Sojo Díaz. Arriving on the scene, Yolima Díaz spoke with the officers but received a slap in the face in response. She managed to rescue her nephew and, with the police in pursuit, took him into her home. According to witnesses present at the scene, one of the officers had drawn his weapon and pointed it at her. Despite Yolima Díaz’s warning that there were children in the house, the officer opened fire, wounding her in the left arm and hitting her son, Freddy Antonio Díaz, who fell to the ground. The municipal police officers initially refused to take the wounded boy to hospital until the arrival of a Metropolitan Police officer, who eventually persuaded them to do so. Freddy Díaz was dead on arrival. Several members of his family, including Yolima Díaz, his mother, were arrested and taken to the municipal police station, where the police allegedly threatened them not to denounce what had happened.

Venezuelan law made the punishment of police responsible for abuses very difficult. Investigators must carry out pre-trial administrative inquiries, known as nudo hecho, before an official could even be charged. Such inquiries were notorious for protracted delays ranging from months to years. At the same time, the proceedings in criminal investigations were secret, so human rights defenders and victims could not ascertain the status of probes or advocate for greater official interest in the cases.

Venezuelan human rights groups reported frequent cases of prolonged detentions without charge, some exceeding sixty days, in emergency zones along Venezuela’s border with Colombia, where constitutional guarantees were suspended throughout the year due to incursions by Colombian guerrillas. Authorities also explained the suspension of guarantees in terms of the risks run by cattlemen and traders of kidnappings both by guerrillas and common criminals. Most of those detained were held in military outposts on suspicion of collaborating with guerrillas. In past years, reports of the torture of detainees held without charge in the border zones received considerable publicity in the press. According to PROVEA, the Theater of Operations No. 1 (Teatro de Operaciones No. 1), a military task force in charge of law-enforcement in the border zone, was responsible for eleven of the thirty-five cases of torture reported in January through July. Detainees also frequently reported being beaten or otherwise mistreated at the time of arrest.

According to the Network in Support of Justice and Peace (Red de Apoyo por la Justicia y la Paz, or Red de Apoyo), military conscripts, forcibly inducted, also suffered brutal treatment. One such case was that of Robert Antonio Cabrera Márquez, a young Jehovah’s Witness who was detained on a bus in Caracas on August 17 by the Metropolitan Police and taken the next day to an air force base in Maracay. After he claimed to be a conscientious objector, Cabrera was allegedly beaten by servicemen. Cabrera alleged that they took him into a room where they locked him in a cupboard and threw in teargas grenades, which made him nearly suffocate and caused serious burns to his body.

More:
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/americas/venezuela.html
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:00 AM
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94. Oh now you are playing the 'compare it to how it was before game'.
No no no. We have to just look for any current abuse, isolate it from the rest of reality, and declare Chavez a dictator. Anything else is a game. So what if the human rights situation in Venezuela has improved under Chavez? The point is to fill in the holes in the thesis: Chavez is an evil dictator.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM
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84. For more perspective, here's a report from 1997 on Venezuela:
PUNISHMENT BEFORE TRIAL
Prison Conditions in Venezuela
Human Rights Watch/Americas
Human Rights Watch
Copyright © March 1997 by Human Rights Watch.
All Rights Reserved.
Printed in the United States of America.
ISBN: 1-56432-201-7
Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number: 96-077751


~snip~
Context

Underlying Venezuela's prison crisis are other serious issues, including a stagnating economy, a violent crime epidemic and, more broadly, a lack of public confidence in government. While these factors in no way excuse the atrocious conditions found in the country's prisons, they do indicate that reforming the situation is no facile matter.

For decades, while so many other countries in Latin America struggled with guerrilla wars, authoritarian governments, rampant human rights abuses, and, in the 1980s, a strangling debt burden, Venezuela stood out as an exception. Distinguished as the region's oldest uninterrupted constitutional democracy, it enjoyed political stability, democratic governments and relative social tranquility. Buffering it from the economic crises that struck elsewhere in region were vast, nationalized oil reserves.2

During the 1980s oil wealth and foreign investment allowed Venezuela, despite economic stagnation, to avoid the painful economic choices faced in other Latin American countries, but the bubble finally burst at the end of the decade. In 1989, with the presidency of Carlos Andrés Pérez, stringent structural adjustment policies were instituted, the burden of which fell disproportionately on the poor. Public subsidies-particularly for food, education, transportation, and energy-were slashed, poverty increased, and unemployment reached new highs, inspiring social unrest. On February 27, 1989, even before the full impact of the new policies was felt, the poor of Caracas erupted in protest. The week of rioting and brutal military repression that followed became known as the "Caracazo," the most notable of a continuing series of street protests.

For several years now, Venezuela has been struggling with economic stagnation and its all too visible consequences. The gap between rich and poor is enormous, and the middle class has all but disappeared, swallowed up by poverty. Financial scandals have resulted in the collapse of several major banks, whose administrators have avoided prosecution by fleeing abroad. As problems mount, doubts continue to arise regarding the capacity of Venezuela's leaders and public institutions to respond adequately. At present, the economy is weak and public confidence in government is low. Although Venezuela's gross national productgrew slightly in 1995, it shrank 1 percent during 1996,3 while the inflation rate reached the record figure of 103 percent.4 Numerous public ministries claim to be underfunded;5 the Justice Ministry, in particular, has stated repeatedly that the main obstacle to prison reform is a lack of resources.

Even Venezuela's claim to democratic stability has been challenged. In February 1992, the country was shaken by an attempted military coup, and then, nine months later, by another. In mid-1994, the government suspended several basic constitutional guarantees, raising further questions about the strength of the country's democratic tradition.

But the crime epidemic, leading to public pressure to incarcerate people, is the issue most directly relevant to the prison crisis.6 During the late 1980s and early 1990s, declining incomes and deteriorating living conditions led to an explosion in the crime rate. The problem of "insecurity," as it is labeled, earned a prominent place in the public debate. Indeed, opinion polls consistently single out crime as Venezuelans' primary concern, even above their concern for declining living standards. As in previous years, in 1996 the crime rate continued to worsen.7

The breakdown of law and order in Caracas is palpable. Robbery, often accompanied by violence, is a frequent event, as is murder. With four millioninhabitants, Caracas averages thirty killings every weekend.8A 1995 Gallup poll found that approximately one-third of Caracas residents had been victims of crime over the course of the year.9 The situation has gotten so out of hand, and public confidence in the criminal justice system has ebbed to such a degree, that citizens sometimes resort to lynching. Mobs of people, particularly in poorer areas of the city where inhabitants feel most unprotected by police, have attacked and killed suspected criminals with sticks, stones and other rudimentary weapons.10 The lynchings reportedly began with a couple of isolated incidents in 1994 but quickly multiplied. Despite the brutal character of these acts of vigilante justice, opinion polls show that they have broad public support.11


More:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/venez/
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:11 PM
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92. You might want to look at the report on the U.S.'s THIRD LARGEST foreign aid grabber, Colombia:
Colombia
Events of 2007
Colombia’s internal armed conflict continues to result in widespread abuses by irregular armed groups, including both left-wing guerrillas and paramilitaries who remain active. Targeted killings, forced disappearances, use of antipersonnel landmines, recruitment of child combatants, and threats against trade unionists, human rights defenders, and journalists remain serious problems. Due to the abuses, Colombia has the second largest population of internally displaced persons in the world.

Colombia’s public security forces also engage in abuses, and in recent years there has been an alarming increase in reports of extrajudicial executions of civilians by the military.
Most cases involving violations of human rights and international humanitarian law are never solved. Thanks to investigations by its Supreme Court, Colombia has begun to make progress in uncovering longstanding links between paramilitaries and high-ranking national political figures. Nonetheless, on several occasions in 2007 the administration of President Álvaro Uribe took steps that threatened to undermine this progress.

Paramilitary Influence in the Political System
Dozens of Congressmen from President Uribe’s coalition, including the president’s own cousin, Senator Mario Uribe, came under investigation by the Supreme Court in 2007 for their alleged collaboration with paramilitaries responsible for widespread atrocities. At this writing, 17 congressmen were under arrest. One of them is the brother of former Foreign Minister Maria Consuelo Araújo, who resigned as a result.

President Uribe’s former intelligence chief from 2002 to 2005, Jorge Noguera, is also under investigation for links to paramilitaries.

The government has provided funding to the court and spoken of the need for full investigations. However, President Uribe has repeatedly lashed out against the court, accusing it of suffering from an “ideological bias” and personally calling one Supreme Court justice to inquire about ongoing investigations.

In April 2007 President Uribe announced a proposal to release from prison all politicians who are convicted of colluding with paramilitaries. After it became evident that the proposal would be an obstacle to ratification of the US-Colombia Free Trade Agreement, he tabled it.

Demobilization of Paramilitary Groups
The Colombian government continues to claim that, thanks to its demobilization program, paramilitaries no longer exist.

Both the Organization of American States and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in Colombia reported in 2007 that mid-level paramilitary commanders continue to engage in criminal activity and recruitment of new troops.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights noted in a 2007 report that while over 30,000 individuals may have gone through demobilization ceremonies, some may not have been paramilitaries at all, but persons who played the role to access government stipends.

Thanks to a 2006 ruling by Colombia’s Constitutional Court, paramilitary commanders and others who have applied for reduced sentences under Law 975 of 2005 (known as the “Justice and Peace Law”) are legally required to confess and turn over illegally acquired assets. However, confessions moved slowly in 2007, in part due to a lack of sufficient prosecutors and investigators assigned to the unit of the attorney general’s office charged with interrogating the commanders.

Several paramilitary leaders are temporarily in prison, but government officials have publicly stated that they will eventually be allowed to serve their reduced sentences on “agricultural colonies” or farms.

Guerrilla Abuses
Both the FARC and ELN guerrillas continue to engage in abuses against civilians. The FARC’s widespread use of antipersonnel landmines has resulted in a dramatic escalation in new reported casualties from these indiscriminate weapons in recent years. The FARC also continues regularly to engage in kidnappings. In June 2007, the FARC announced that 11 congressmen from the state of Valle del Cauca that it had been holding for more than five years had been shot to death while under their control.

The government announced in June that it was unilaterally releasing hundreds of FARC members, as well as Rodrigo Granda, a senior FARC leader, from prison to encourage the FARC to release hostages. At this writing, the FARC had not moved to release any hostages.

Military Abuses and Impunity
Reports of extrajudicial executions of civilians by Colombia’s army have increased substantially in recent years, according to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights as well as local groups, including the Colombian Commission of Jurists.

Colombia continues to suffer from rampant impunity for human rights abuses. The authorities’ failure to effectively investigate, prosecute, and punish abuses has created an environment in which abusers correctly assume that they will never be held accountable for their crimes.

The problem is particularly acute in cases involving military collaboration with paramilitaries. Low-ranking officers are sometimes held accountable in these cases, but rarely is a commanding officer prosecuted.

In one positive development, prosecutors in 2007 continued to make progress in investigating the “disappearance” of 10 people during security force operations in 1985 to retake Colombia’s Palace of Justice (which housed the Supreme Court), after its invasion by the M-19 guerrilla group.

Violence against Trade Unionists
Colombia has the highest rate of violence against trade unionists in the world. The National Labor School, a Colombian labor rights group, has recorded over 2,500 killings of trade unionists in Colombia since 1986.

The number of yearly killings has dropped since 2001. However, the situation remains critical. The National Labor School reports that 72 trade unionists were killed in Colombia in 2006. The government reports 58 killings in 2006. At this writing, final statistics for 2007 were unavailable.

The overwhelming majority of these cases have never been solved. In 2007, a specialized sub-unit of the attorney general’s office reopened some cases, but it remains to be seen whether the unit will produce concrete results.

Threats against Human Rights Defenders, Journalists, and Victims of Paramilitaries
Human rights monitors, journalists, politicians, and victims of paramilitary groups continue to be the subjects of frequent threats, harassment, and attacks for their legitimate work. Investigations of these cases rarely result in prosecutions or convictions.

In 2007 President Uribe once again made statements attacking the media for its coverage of public issues. In October, journalist Gonzalo Guillén fled Colombia due to the numerous death threats he received after Uribe accused him of making false claims about the president. Another prominent journalist, Daniel Coronell, who had only recently returned to Colombia after nearly two years in exile, also received a death threat after Uribe publicly accused him of being a “liar.”

Victims of paramilitaries who speak about their experiences are also threatened and sometimes killed. Mrs. Yolanda Izquierdo, for example, a mother of five who led a group of 700 paramilitary victims who were demanding the return of land that paramilitaries had stolen from them, requested government protection after receiving repeated threats to her life. The protection was never provided. In February, 2007, she was shot to death in front of her house.

The Colombian Ministry of Interior has a protection program, established with US funding, for journalists, trade unionists, and others who are under threat. The program does not cover victims of paramilitaries who present claims in the context of the demobilization process. In October 2007 the government announced that, pursuant to a Supreme Court ruling, it would create a victim protection program.

Discrimination against Same-Sex Couples
On May 14, 2007, the UN Human Rights Committee found that Colombia had breached its international obligations when it denied a gay man’s partner pension benefits. In June, the Colombian Senate voted down a law that would have guaranteed same-sex couples equal access to welfare benefits. Colombia’s Constitutional Court, however, issued decisions advancing equal rights: in February, it recognized same-sex civil partnerships and in October it recognized the right of same-sex partners to participate in the health plans of their partners.

Key International Actors
The United States remains the most influential foreign actor in Colombia. In 2007 it provided close to US$800 million to the Colombian government, mostly in military aid. Twenty-five percent of US military assistance is formally subject to human rights conditions.

The United States also provides financial support for the paramilitary demobilization process, subject to Colombia’s compliance with related conditions in US law.

In 2007 the US Congress updated and strengthened the conditions in US law on military assistance and support for the demobilization process. In April 2007, the US Congress froze $55 million in US assistance due to concerns over the increase in reports of extrajudicial executions by the military and lack of adequate progress in reducing impunity in major cases involving military-paramilitary links.

The Democratic leadership in the US House of Representatives announced in June 2007 that it would not support a Free Trade Agreement with Colombia until there is “concrete evidence of sustained results on the ground” with regard to impunity for violence against trade unionists and the role of paramilitaries.

In 2007 the US Department of Justice announced a US$25 million settlement with Chiquita Brands in a criminal proceeding over the multinational corporation’s payments to paramilitaries in the banana-growing region of Colombia. The AUC paramilitaries, as well as FARC and ELN guerrillas, are on the US Department of State’s list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

The United Kingdom provides military assistance to Colombia, though the full amount is not publicly known. The European Union provides social and economic assistance to Colombia, and has provided some aid to the government’s paramilitary demobilization programs.

The OAS Mission to Support the Peace Process in Colombia, which is charged with verifying the paramilitary demobilizations, issued reports in 2007 highlighting the presence of new, re-armed, or never demobilized groups. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights also released a report raising numerous concerns over implementation of the demobilizations.

http://hrw.org/englishwr2k8/docs/2008/01/31/colomb17754.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Not only are they into the U.S. taxpayers for every dime they can grab, they also have signed on for goodies from the U.K., and the E.U.! Good lord!

No wonder Colombia's President has hired FOUR P.R. firms in the U.S. to try to flood the place with pro-Colombia crap, and put pressure on the Democrats in Congress so they will agree to let them have the F.T.A. they want.

Uribe has NEVER had to live on only his own country's budget. He has always been in line for his handout from the U.S., and he's not about to give that up.

You might want to remind yourself that this right-winger Uribe, whom our own Defense Department has put in a report and designated him as connected to Colombian drug people, as well as his own father, has talked his own National Assembly into granting him a second term as President, up 'til now, impossible in Colombia. And now he's working them for a third. Do we hear OUR OWN MEDIA bitching and moaning about his "authoritarian" characteristics? Do they even ever mention his death squads? Atrocities? Union workers and civilian mass murders and tortures? Hell, no. Most people don't even know about it.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:02 AM
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95. Why look there?
That is very unpleasant. It raises all sorts of uncomfortable issues about what our real role in the world is. No. Stop. We need only look for evidence that Chavez is a brutal tyrant. Nothing else is important.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:36 AM
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97. Because two wrongs make a right...see?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:05 PM
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130. Nope: pot, meet kettle!
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:41 AM
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104. Easier yet. Blame Fidel.
Anyone who is friendly with Mr Castro or has relations with Cuba has to be on the enemies list of the US government.


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bluestdogest Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:15 AM
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103. Barely should replace basically...
and barely is questionable.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:48 PM
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109. Take THAT, all you idiots who used HRW to support the LIE that Chavez is a dictator.
You are fucking fools.

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:51 AM
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116. but what about Cuba?
the report states that Cuba ``one country in Latin America that represses nearly all forms of political dissent.''

is that true?

I know that people on here have posted that Cuba is a democracy


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:17 AM
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117. Venezuelans most positive about country in Latin America
Venezuelans most positive about country in Latin America
Stuart Munckton
1 February 2008

Although the corporate media present an image of Venezuelans suffering under would-be dictator President Hugo Chavez, whose supposedly irresponsible and populist policies are ruining the country, a new poll released by non-profit NGO Latinobarometro reveals that Venezuelans have the most positive view in Latin America about the state of their country and the direction it’s heading in.

An article by Pascual Serrano posted on Rebelion.org on January 17 reported on Latinobarometro’s recently released results for 2007. The poll was conducted in 18 countries in Latin America, excluding Cuba, and involved 19,000 interviews.

Serrano reported that the results “have been scarcely spread by the media due to what it shows regarding Venezuela”.

The confidence rating for a country’s president was much higher in Venezuela than the regional average — 60% for the socialist Chavez compared to an average of 43%. The article also reported that Chavez was elected with the highest percentage of registered voters of any Latin American president, closely followed by left-wing President Evo Morales in Bolivia.

Venezuela had the highest level of confidence in its government of any country, 66% compared to an average of 39%.

More:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/738/38213
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:54 PM
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124. "Basically Democratic". How funny is that?
If Chavez stays in power much longer, it won't be. As the report stated, "The trends were negative."
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