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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:40 PM Original message |
Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. It'd be nice if we knew what she meant by 'affordable' nt |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. it means |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Sorry kids, no food in the 'frig this month... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. This is fear-mongering, the kind of thing Rethugs do. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. Hillary said 'garnish the wages of workers' maybe I'm... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. She didn't say "all" workers. She's left it very open exactly how it will |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Hillary's results of 'working for poor families' include... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
166. She worked against the bankruptcy bill when her husband was President. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #108 |
161. Just like the (moral) bankrupty bill? That was really working for the poor, no? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. Which bankruptcy bill? She opposed more than one. |
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Mozcram (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
116. THANK YOU! |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #91 |
160. Of course universal "insurance" has to have a mandate. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. Single payer isn't an option now. Get over it. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #170 |
236. Right, it's not on the table anymore with either of these 2 candidates |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
167. Yes, but mandating that one have X amount of for profit health insurance, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. Hillary is not mandating X profit for health insurance. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #173 |
186. Hillary's plan hasn't very many specifics to it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. Paul Krugman, the liberal economist at Princeton, has written about |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. That's OK, I have my own in-house economist, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. Krugman has a long career as a liberal economist and academic. |
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raebrek (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #186 |
232. If a plan like this were implemented I have to think |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
100. That isn't going to happen |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
168. With what? The money she intends to continue pissing away on the military? |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
125. So what do you do when those same kids get sick? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
237. Wrong. Anyone who wants to will be able to avoid private insurers |
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sallyseven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Medicare is paid for by |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The difference is that SS payments don't go to private corporations. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Clinton's plan offers a choice between govt and private plans |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
156. No, it doesn't. It offers a choice between government POOLING- into private insurance- |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #156 |
190. Not true. It offers the option of choosing a government run plan like Medicare. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:51 AM Response to Reply #190 |
209. Private insurers aren't going to drop out. Hill will see to that. |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
218. this is interesting |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. That's the thing. Watch premiums rise, coverable claims diminish, etc. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
191. HRC's plan, like Edwards, will allow people to by-pass private insurers |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. And the bare "concept" of Clinton's plan calls for the payments to go to private corporations??? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
109. No, it doesn't. It will allow people to choose between government and |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. Thanks, I didn't think so but.... |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #115 |
128. All sides are playing politics, as they should... |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. There are right ways and wrong ways to "play politics" |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
163. People using mendacity as a tool to play politics is a big part of the reason |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
176. Posting lies is despicable, even if it is protected by freedom of speech. n/t |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
158. No, the "gleeful" ones are right. See my other posts. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. Not true, and your other posts are wrong, too. |
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sentelle (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #180 |
215. as i see it |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #109 |
157. I'm sorry, you're incorrect. A "government plan" that you speak of |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #157 |
181. Not true. You should try reading her plan. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
169. That is bullshit. Why do you think private insurers offer congresscritters such nice deals? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #169 |
184. HRC is planning to force the private insurers to compete with |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Private plans will compete by denying claims |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #188 |
194. Then customers will desert the private insurers for the government run plans |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Bullshit. They will do nothing of the sort if they don't get expensively sick |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. "Most people will never, ever get expensively sick." |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. It is the absolute truth. Look it up. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #201 |
205. The fact that many people have no medical costs in a year's time |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Actually, it is mostly the same 20% |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #207 |
208. You don't understand how the plans will work. There won't be |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Where will the funding come from for the public plans? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 06:30 AM Response to Reply #212 |
213. You keep repeating, without any data, your belief that most people |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #213 |
225. Not true. The private Medicare Advantage has wreaked havoc on traditional Medicare |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #225 |
228. Interesting article. And here is the part you overlooked or misunderstood. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:03 AM Response to Reply #228 |
229. This does not change the fact that in any given year, |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #212 |
223. the funding comes from ending the tax breaks to those making 250K and higher |
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raebrek (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #207 |
233. and then the private insurance companies |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #184 |
211. Except if government care is substandard to private policies |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #109 |
210. Oh ROTFLMAO! We will have Congress' Health Plan |
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cushla_machree (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
132. Bingo! |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Would you support single payer insurance? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
154. The middleman will always exist |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #154 |
199. It won't be the same government once we throw the bastards out. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #199 |
203. It won't end |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #203 |
206. FEMA, for example, actually functioned under Clinton. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #206 |
221. Belief |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #132 |
187. You don't understand. The options will include government run plans |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. They do if you are registered for an HMO coverage. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
96. Hillary's plan will let you choose a government run program. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
143. Those options should be reduced to at most 5 for Congress. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
162. Exactly. I'm with you Kitsune. n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Well I and the others protesting this live in |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. If 15% is a fair income tax for multi-millionaire |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. Hillary herself said in the early 1990's that |
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SusanLarson (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. She wants to make it mandatory? LOL |
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poisonivy (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. First of all |
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SusanLarson (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. Cruel and inhuman |
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poisonivy (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. I have lived on less |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. You know something, PoisonIvy when Insurance execs start to go |
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poisonivy (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. Oh I agree |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #131 |
220. There was very little homelessness under Carter |
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whathappened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
148. your forgetting 1 thing |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
164. But the "Standard of Need" is $637 for 2008. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
117. You have clearly never been there done that. |
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poisonivy (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
136. Oh I was there, |
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raebrek (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #136 |
234. You remind me of a time when I was in college long ago... |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
121. You would have a credit card because you would have had to use it for crises |
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poisonivy (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #121 |
138. Nobody HAS |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
114. Great analysis. But you forgot this: That family |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
195. Her plan now is nothing like the plan from the early 90's. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
110. HRC isn't proposing her old plan. She learned from her past mistakes. |
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mamameow (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
69. source |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Two Friday's ago, Bill Moyer had someone on his show |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Here's the skinny on the guest that said that: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
98. You're not going to get single payer universal from ANY President soon. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
171. Which is as stupid as having a bunch of private fire departments-- |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #171 |
183. I'm with you on that, eridani. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
182. It's sort of funny - we can get Congress to pass the Patriot Act overnight |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #98 |
185. BTW I wasn't talking about a current highest tax. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
142. If 15% is on the whole amount for hedge fund managers then maybe I would support that. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
155. The numbers don't look right |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #155 |
179. If the billionaire got his billions through |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #179 |
202. I get it |
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Terry_M (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. Why don't we just |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. Hillary has a government plan if one chooses it |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
92. Medicare Is Paid for by Its Own Assessment (or Tax, to Use a Blunt Word) |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
172. try to learn the difference between health CARE and health INSURANCE... |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. "Affordable" by what standards??? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. That's OK with me. I'm pretty sick of my premiums being increased to pay for the uninsured. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Health insurance premiums are NOT |
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kcass1954 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Health insurance premiums are NOT like car insurance. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Like car insurance ... |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. I'm about to become unisured. The insurance company is leaving the state. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
102. Driving a car is a privilege, health care should be a right |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
153. Where'd you get that idea? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is why we needed Edwards or Kucinich for President, yet |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. Big mistake |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Yes -- could it cost us the election against the Republicans? |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Under Obama's plan it's a flat rate |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
64. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums.My main concern |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
95. I don't support either Obama or Clinton's plan |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
104. Keep on shilling...Clinton campaign staffer. Your "girl" f'ed up just admit it. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. This individual mandate stuff is crap ... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
107. No |
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caseycoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. K&R! |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't like the idea of mandatory health insurance |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. My employer has mandatory health insurance. I have my |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's a bad idea, period. I'm just so disappointed in her and this proposal. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
84. Ditto. But I didn't expect anything more from her |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. At least she's talking about how to pay for her health care proposal. |
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water (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
18. What's the difference between this and taxes? |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. None. If you WANT a national healthcare system, it's a tax - you pay into it... |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. wouldn't the difference be |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
86. You do not hear the whining because the middle income earner |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
174. They don't whine because they aren't supporting thugs whose reason for existence-- |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. Hilllary--keep working on healthcare... |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. That should only be done as a last resort and only to people with incomes over a certain amount |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. So what has to give if you are already paying all you can on medical |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. I remember when mandatory car insurance was debated in California. |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. That is what we wee told about car insurance |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. for people making min wage trying to pay rent....etc... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
175. It is nothing like national health care. There is no money for subsidies-- |
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Timmy5835 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
25. NO new taxes are necessary |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Great point! And a much better use of that money! (n/t) |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. Iraq is 100% debt spending. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. At the present time for people on Medicare the payment |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. EXACTLY! Thank you (n/t) |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Medicare is an option folks. Hillarys idea is a mandate. |
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peacock (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Only Republicans |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. My employer takes a deduction from my check for my health |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. um... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. There are lots of people who have no choice now |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. Obama is touting his plan as universal helath care and it is not.. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
34. Who in their right mind would support this proposal? |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Nobody. |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums.My main concern |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
35. Amazing... |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Words matter.... this election, sorry you are offended. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Words matter? |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Yes. |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
94. No. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. She stepped in it. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:33 AM Response to Reply #49 |
230. You bet they do. n/t |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums.My main concern |
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DB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. They also pay 65% tax rate if I recall correctly. USA won't go for that. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. Maybe after Michael Moore's next film |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
151. You get what you pay for! I lived in both countries and healthcare works there! |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
42. I saw Micheal Moore's Sicko this weekend for the first time. If France, |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I think the people in those countries have to kick in something too. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Of course they do - it's called taxes. I certainly did not mean to imply it |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
44. Above a minimum, you earn, you pay for the pot. |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
48. Here we go again |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. scary |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
54. tapping pay ? is that what they are going to call a health care TAX ? |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums. My main |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
58. That means she's raising your taxes!! |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. That may be true, but with a simpleton voting public like ours |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. How about tapping into the Pentagon's budget.... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. Single Payer is affordable if we give up the idea of empire |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
62. That sounds like GW BUSH.......... |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. In every country that has universal healthcare, one pays either thru tax or premiums.My main concern |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Stop plagiarizing Krugman |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
150. Not BS, I lived in both countries and Healthcare works there! |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
70. So if it ends up being a Clinton-Romney race... |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
74. corporate masters |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
77. Most of the comments sound as if they come from people who |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Canada does not have the regressive |
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SusanLarson (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
79. Just look at what happened with mandatory auto insurance. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
80. This would cost us the general election, good thing we have Obama |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
85. And Obama will fine people |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
122. Obama's plan will not fine. Why? |
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kerstin (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
93. Did I take a turn to the right on the way to DU today? |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
135. Sorry....... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
99. What I want is for the tax schedule to be changed so the middle class get taxed less and the rich .. |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
101. Garnish - now there's a less than pleasant word. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
106. garnish my wages? |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
111. Hold up, does this mean universal healthcare provided by the government? |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
227. that is exactly what I fear ...which private enterprise has given her $$$? |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
118. Who's going to decide if someone can "afford" to buy health insurance. |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
120. How does Clinton know who can afford her plan or not? |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #120 |
159. Seems she having a harder and harder time selling her plan. |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
124. Funny how most WANT health care for all, UNLESS |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. Obama is self-centered? There is a "We" in Yes WE can |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
219. he, along with Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the spineless Dems |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #124 |
200. I repeat: Why doesn't the Pentagon have to make a sacrifice? |
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California Griz (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
126. I think she may have just cost herself the nomination |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
127. That's no good. (eom) |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
130. Mine is already being 'garnished' by my employer. I'm interested in the unintended |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
134. You did read the part about applying only to workers who can afford health coverage? |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
146. Still... how does she know what people can afford? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. That's why Single Payer is needed |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #146 |
226. That's my question |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #134 |
147. LiberalFighter, I did see that part ...I am not saying this is right or wrong, not enough details |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Amen |
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someone else (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
137. Whose checks does she tap to pay for illegal's coverage? |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #137 |
214. Every one's on April the 15th |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
140. A vote for Hillary is a vote for oligarchy |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
141. It will be hard for her to get elected.. |
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wildflowergardener (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
144. car |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
145. Absolutely...GARNISH THE WAGES...but I think this is OTT Spin... |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
177. She has shot herself in the foot with that statement - |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
178. Oh God help us all.......................This is NEVER GOING to |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
192. Here is a simple plan that doesn't screw anyone |
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OKthatsIT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #192 |
238. with HILLARY as PRESIDENT? That's a laugh. |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
204. This must not happen. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
216. Corporate Whore, garnish your own pay. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
217. I don't understand how she can talk about garnishing wages when food, oil,taxes have all gone way up |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #217 |
224. Not her problem |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
222. you're repeating rethug talking points |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
231. ANY plan will do that.. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
235. Wow you realize it's just a concept, but it's worthy of continued discussion? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
239. "With her proposals for subsidies" Universal Insurance or Universal Health care? |
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