Baghdad Drowning In Sewage: Iraqi Official

[Hissyspit]

Source: Agence France-Presse

Baghdad drowning in sewage: Iraqi official
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2008-02-19 01:35. Media
By AFP

BAGHDAD (AFP) — Baghdad is drowning in sewage, thirsty for water and largely powerless, an Iraqi official said on Sunday in a grim assessment of services in the capital five years after the US-led invasion.

One of three sewage treatment plants is out of commission, one is working at stuttering capacity while a pipe blockage in the third means sewage is forming a foul lake so large it can be seen "as a big black spot on Google Earth," said Tahseen Sheikhly, civilian spokesman for the Baghdad security plan. Sheikhly told a news conference in the capital that water pipes, where they exist, are so old that it is not possible to pump water at a sufficient rate to meet demands -- leaving many neighbourhoods parched.

A sharp deficit of 3,000 megawatts of electricity adds to the woes of residents, who are forced to rely on neighbourhood generators to light up their lives and heat their homes. "Sewerage, water and electricity are our three main problems," said Sheikhly, adding that many of these problems date back to the Saddam Hussein regime when not enough attention was paid to basic infrastructure.

Insurgency, sectarian violence and vandalism since the US-led invasion in March 2003 had further ravaged services in the capital, he added.

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[aquart]

1. Is there anywhere we DON'T make a mess?

[Journeyman]

4. They've been madly cleaning the scrub outside Crawford for nigh on 8 years now. . .

perhaps it'll no longer be a mess once George W. leaves.

[saigon68]

19. Yes but " FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH"

[thereismore]

2. There is a special place in Hell for *. nt

[jpak]

3. But...but...but...Purple Fingers and Amber Waves of Grain and WMD and...

it's not about oil...

[ConcernedCanuk]

5. I thought the USA invaded Iraq to improve Iraqi's lifestyle

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Only the Iraqis know for sure

We know squat.

[QUALAR]

6. TERMINOLOGY

We aren't spending billions of dollars over there to be insulted by such degrading talk. We are spreading Freedom Waste and don't you forget it. U-S-A U-S-A. Show us those purple fingers, people.

[Diclotican]

7. I wonder how US managed to rebuild West Germany...

Hissyspit

I really wonder how in the US managed to help the west-german to help them self out of the bombshell that germany was after WW2. And helped the rest of the Western Europe by the Marshall Plan, who was "free gifts" and cheap loan to rebuild, and modernize the industry in Europe..

In Iraq, who could ha been the masterpiece of how to rebuild a country after 13 year of sanctions, and not fewer than 3 wars the US have not managed to do something that mundane as rebuild sewer system in the biggest, and far most the most modern City in iraq.. 5 year after the invasion Iraq are in so bad shape that is is going back 40-50 year, then the sewer was no less than rivers in the road, and donkey in the streets...

What do you believe that the Iraqis are all "heart and minds" when they are living in little more than a dungeon dump, where they are seeing their children, been sick and die.. When they are seeing illness who have been eradicate for a long time in Iraq are now comonplace. When they are see-in their family's and friends been killed by roadside bombs. Or in many cases killed by the occupied forces who are to afraid to do anything else then to shoot to kill.. Even if it means killing civilians, woman, men and children who only crime was that they was there doing their business... And be at the wrong place at the wrong time..

How many american soldiers have killed Innocent iraqi because of FEAR about the war. About the enemy who are hiding in the population. How many soldiers are damaged for life, not just physically but mentally as vell.. How many millions are on the run, because ethnically or religious hatred have been doing it impossible to live where they have lived, for hound res, maybe thousand year... Or more..

What this President of your, and the complacent of the PNAC.. AND hound res of thousands of willingly supportively and friendly American have doing, is to destroy a whole country.. The Cradle of our civilization is destroyed by a evil, murderer and the cronies who want it to happened.. They HAD NO PLAN FOR WHAT TO DO AFTER THE WAR.. No plan what so ever. And the prize for that is being payed by the Iraqi public who have no say in the future of their country anymore.. They are more or less serfs on the mercy of US..

And this time United States of America SHOULD NOT have the right to pull out and let the country tear them selfs apart, or living in a dump for the last decade or more. Or if the population in US are going from the war, just give the whole thing over til UN.. And of course blame the UN for all problems who are in Iraq... US once the maker of UN have been very about complaining and blame everything of UN.. Even the fact that US F.U.B.O.S th Iraqi thing from the get go. United States have to grow up, and fix what they have been doing wrong.. This time United States have to do what they once managed to do in Western Europe. Rebuild and made the possible of a PEACEFULLY Continent.. In this case the issue should have been so much more easy. It is NOT a whole continent to rebuild, but just a single Country the size of France... But United States of America have really F.U.B.O.S Iraqi big time, and I fear that US would end up in much more problems before the Iraqi questing is finished...

What I really fear is that if just enough people in US are going tired, or waking up from the doze they have been in since 2001, they would just say "drop Iraq come home" and then US are letting Iraq go because US are not more interest in Iraq.. And then the country would be brewing with more extremist then ever.. The current Iraqi Government, and we have to face that fact are hold up by military means.. If it was not for US military forces in and around Baghdad the government of Molokai would seize to exist in a few weeks... The Iraqi armed forces are not to be trusted and are more trustworthy by the clan and family then their nationality... And the Sunni and Shia extremist are in many cases in command of the armed forces, and I fear it just to be a matter of time before the Iraqi army are going to attack themself...

This is a tragedy, both for Iraq and for US.. It is a tragedy for Iraq because it is not easy to rebuild what is blowing apart. It would take a long time and a lot of money..Money the current Iraqi government just not have.. And I doubt they ever would have.. The oil money would never end in the street in Iraq again, if not the oil are nationalized again, and the money are the hand of the iraqi government again... That means, hand off US.. And US "interest" in Iraq for the next 50 year or so...

This is a tragedy for US, who would loose more and more soldiers to a enemy who are seldom seen before they are killing ramdon. It is a tragedy for the relatives who are crying, after their men, husband, sons and fathers are died in a wastefully pointless war.. If you thing the Vietnam war was pointless.. Then may thing 10 times the pointlessness that is happening in Iraq today...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[Adsos Letter]

8. Well...I am as sickened as the next guy by what we have done to Iraq...

However, a "Marshall Plan" such as was carried out in Germany after WWII is much simpler when the fighting is over (last I checked It's still going on) and it helps to have a population united against a common foe which, in post-WWII Germany's case, was the Soviet Union and, in our case, is...us...

[izquierdista]

9. That was grandpa and grandma

They were working folk, they had factory jobs and knew how to get things done. They had been out of work during the Depression, but when World War II came along they had factories to go to and tanks and planes and munitions to produce. They even gave up that new car and a bigger house during the war and waited until afterward. When they came back from war, home building soared in the United States, but they didn't forget what they had seen overseas, that Europeans had only rubble to return to. They decided that to make a better world, ALL people would have to rebuild and they made it happen, with the Marshall Plan.

But now is different, America has no more factories, they have all moved to China. They produce movies and entertainment and cluster bombs for export and the factory workers are all working at Wal-Mart or talking to the military recruiter. They can't rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, their own is crumbling and they don't even realize it. America has a government run by the private interests, and the private interests are interested in controlling the Iraqi oil, not building sewage treatment plants and repairing water lines, there's no money to be made there.

It would be the best thing to go home and fix what is wrong at home, from crumbling bridges to lack of public transportation to lack of health care. But private companies can't make as much money on those things, so they go far from home, hoping to keep and hold control of other nations' natural resources.

(Grammar note: "than" is used for comparisons, one thing to another "more extremist than ever"; "then" is used to sequence things in time, one thing first, then the second, then a third.)

[Diclotican]

10. izquierdista

izquierdista

My apology for my grammar, I know it is not good, rather bad.. But as I point out, as a warning, I am not native english language so i hope I get some slack there.. But I TRY to be better then;)

True, the grandpa and grandma's on Europe and in US was working people, and they was working may for a long before the WW2. My grandfather had worked from the age 14 and he was growing up under the Depression with all the need you may had heard about.. But he still managed, to get true and get married in 1929.. With my grandmother, who I never knew because she died after a long illness by Cancer in 1967. My grandfather never remarried.. So I guess they was in love all their life.

Today the big factories who was building all the military equipment that was needed in WW2 are gone.. For the most part in China and other places.. I would guess it would be hard to get the industry up and going if US was to wage another war like the WW2 for a long time.. And even if US was to build up the industry it have before the WW2 and under the ww2 It would take a long time to get the "steam rolling"..

You may win some friends with movies and entrainment, but you never win war with it. And so long the american are seeing unaware what is happening it would take so long time to get used to the fact that the industry who once was the power in US are not there.. The "bottom line" in the owners paper have been everything.. The fact that millions of american are out of job, and never would be in a job so long everything are not been send to China, then US would be at risk.. America had, and have a educated population, who have the skills to made US a great economical power if it is possible.. I don't believe that the wages in US are so much higher, compared relative to China so it is wort given out everything US have.. Think about if China decided to Nationalize every china factory?.. Everything that are on the mainland China to be nationalized. It would be catastrophe for american industry...

In our grandmother and grandfathers time work was something to be proud about. The fact that they have survived the Great Desperation was given them some difference idea of using money I guess.. My foster parents who was somewhat old when I and my brother was coming to them, was very clear about how to use money, and that is something who have been standing with my all my life I guess. And that is a strait many people in the world don't seen to know so much about longer..
To work at Wal Mart are not good. If I am not totally wrong the salary is little more than over the slave-wage and they are been treating very bad there.. But People are going to the stores anyway.. Why I don't know..

The people behind PNAC, and the current administration should be arrested, and given their day in cort.. This is something I have been saying for a long time now.. This men is dangerous, very dangerous and would happy lafe to their bank, even if it means half the population in US as slaves... This men and woman are criminal, and have ruined not just the Treasury of US, but even the reputation in the worlds aye.. A Treasury can be build up. but a reputation are not easy given back, if lost...

Wel, US can go back from Iraq, and let Iraqi solve the problems them self.. But be not surprised that the right wingers of this would would give Democrats, and the UN the blame because the total failure of helping Iraq to peace.. I would not thinking aloud about the reputation in the arabian world after the Iraqi fiasco:eyes:

I have tried to following US, and if everything is as bad as it is been told.. Then you REALLY need a lot of money to rebuild the infrastructure.. And for the health care issue.. Why is so many american afraid of public health care?. It is not socialism, but just common sense to have a public health care, who everyone can get medical help.. Yes you may have to pay little more taxes for getting it going, but it is possible.. If a conservative country like Germany in the 1860s was possible of made public healtcare, and retainment pay for germans from the 1870-1880s then US can do it. And even today US are a much richer country than Germany of late 1800s was..

I believe that US are a great country who can be a good friend, and a good allied.. But US have to fix a lot of problems before given lecture of how to rule to other nations I am afraid... But it you want, we, allied and friends are here to help you.. Even that it is hard to take help from others, it is possible.. US have the resources, and the money to do it.. But US have to find the way out, even that we can give some advice to you... I fear it would be a dangerous, bumpy road ahead, but I do hope it would end in the best of circumstances for US...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English,not my native language

[izquierdista]

15. The US is a very odd country

It is hard to understand from the outside. I am starting my third year living outside the US, and I still catch myself thinking like and American and I have to stop myself and say "no, that's not how reasonable, thinking people do things". They are caught in some sort of time warp there that they are still on top of the world like things were in the 1950s. They think that Europeans still need the Marshall Plan, that they don't have running water, electricity, sanitation, you know, just like the scene they have created for the Iraqis.

Too large a number of Americans have been taken in by right-wing propaganda and lies. One that put off a national health care for at least 15 years was "you won't get to choose your own doctor". Another is the famous saying by Reagan that "government IS the problem". They truly think that a public government making decisions is worse than a private corporation making decisions in closed boardroom meetings.

AS for Americans taking advice, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! All they can do is give advice, and bad advice at that. They advise the Ukrainians and the Venezuelans how they should hold elections, when theirs are full of suspect results. They advise Iran and North Korea that bad things will happen if they pursue nuclear research, and then they go and decide that they need to build a new generation of nuclear weapons. The advise Bolivia that water privatization is great, and then they send in companies who want a month's wages to hook up a water tap. They won't listen, they can't listen while they still think the world is a primitive place and they have it the best.

First they need to do as I have done, leave the country for a while, to realize that yes, other people are not primitive and stupid, maybe there is something they have to offer.

[Diclotican]

17. izquierdista

izquierdista

Absolutely. US is both a amazing country, and a very odd country... I believed to have a good grasp of what US was and was it once stand for, but today I know little or nothing about US.. And I don't know how it is for an american living outside the US to se in and look about what is happened in the US the last couple of years..

Funny you have to stop yourself and thing that this is not how reasonable thinking people are doing things. Is sounds like you are on your way to recovery after all then;:P But it must be little weird to really have to think that you have to think different on the outside, than on the inside of US...

Yes many american still believe the US to be the marvel of the world.. The centerpiece in civilization, and that Europe are in deer need of distress and are still an out bombed poor continent.. And that is not correct.. Well we still need US to help us guard our continent. We are pro bely not that found of military forces after two world wars and a lot of other wars.. And we do have a public sector who are using a fair share of our wealth to the better of people (hopefully;) )
For the most part European do have running water, sanitation, electricity and so on. But some part are poor, and would need a long time of help before they truly are in the same liga as the rest of the european continent.. We do have our fair share of problems, both ethical and political but as long as we try to make it better, by peace I really believe it to be better than to use brute military force...

The situation in Iraq are just horrible, and It really piss my off when you se that ********* excuse for a man stand on a podie and say that everything is Ok, in Iraq, when it is not... And it irritate my down the tubes when the right wingers of this world are telling that Iraq is a success history. If it is, why are Iraq then a country falling apart, with a living standard the same that the country had for more than 40 year ago?.. And a government with little power outside the Green Zone inside Baghad...

Well I can shoos my doctor if I want to do it. But my current doctor are a good doctor. I believe she is german of origin, and a good doctor as that.. So when I need medical attention she is pretty good.. So I guess as long as I am happy about my doctor I would not chose another.. But I cannot understand for my dear life why america choose to pay a lot of insurance when you can get almost free doctor and medical help.. When I was hospitalized some year ago, I really doubt my medical help was inexpencive... In fact if I had been in a "free" country with no public healtcare I could have either had died, or had a medical bill the seize of World Trade Center... No bill, pretty good doctors and nurses, and medical help so I could walk out of the hospital a week later.. Then when I think about it, I am pretty happy to pay my taxes, even if it means that I have to pay little more than I need to do:). I know it is for something important...

US have to take advice sometime down the road.. US may be a superpower, but if US are not to take some advice from the rest of the world, you may find yourself without friends, and without allied... USA as a country would be much better of if she listen to the rest of the world sometimes.. And as many, included myself in the build up to the Iraq war was saying. When many people complain about the fact that the most of europe was strongly against the war. EVEN in the country where the government was so happy to help US, the public was as large very against the war.. A good friend must always tell the other friend that they are doing some wrong. Even if it means that the stronger friend be offended":. And in Iraq, for the most part we do had it right, when we told US to back of military solution... But US was gearing for war, the inspectors was told to go home, and 8-9 days later the war was here...

It is ironically that US try to learn other how to elect when the last couple of elections have been of so low standard that a 3 world country would have manage to cheat and lie better.. And they even had some better experience with cheating at the polls stand to.. This electronic devices who some states are using in US, are just stupid.. What is wrong with the paper ballot?:. It have worked in many year, and it is still working for the most part in many parts of the world. Why should US this machines, when the paper ballot are so much better?.. And safer because then you can go back and count it when something is wrong... Even in the Soviet system, when everyone understand and know that the ballot was tinted they do managed to have elections... But not in US, they have to make a show about everything.. The election in 2000 was just a embarrassing as everything I ever had seen on TV.. It was so clear that something was "fishy" about that election... And in 2004 then to the election was pretty fishy in many states.. What would be the fact in the upcoming election?.. I have no clue, but I would be surprised if someone wanted a different outcome than the fact on the ground is... Specially if the election was going to a Democratic candidate...

Yes I know about the Bolivian water privatized thing.. What a horrible thing to do to a poor country,. It is just sick, sick sick... Water is something everyone have to have.. And then to get it to the same companies who are pushing for privatization... Water is Gold in many parts of the world you know... And I guess many year down the road water would be a thing to fight over, as oil are today...

US treated North Korea with military forces, if they don't stop their nuclear production. And then some year down the road the North Korean was blowing a nuclear device. To say don't threatened us, we have the know-how to build many more if we need to.. After the fact that North Korea had used a nuclear device, the sound from Washington DC was almost 180 degrees different from what they was before the nuclear explosion.. And the current administration are buying off North Korea, the same way that Clinton tried to get North Korea to stop nuclear armament in the 1990s. Mr Bush wasted a lot of time and money to try to do the opposite of what Clinton had been doing for a 8 year... And it was falling down, to do the same thing that mr Clinton was doing after all...

True, you are so true.. many believe that the rest of the world is still a wasteland of primitive peoples who don't know how to live their life at best. And as long as you are been told from you are a toddler that your country is the best of the best. And that everyone else is just bad. Then you grow up to believe in that... The shock when you are coming outside and learn that not everything US are doing are the best must be shocking for they who venture outside of US.. Specially when you are coming to parts in Europe and Asia?.. When half the population in US not have a passport and don't travel outside of your own country, you may experience that type of behavour?...

Many american have good of coming out of the country for a while and se that not everything is greatest in the US. I know a few american who have been outside of US and they are surprised when they realized that not everything is bad on the outside...

But I do have the faith in US even today. I just hope that enough people are waking up, and find that the current ideology is wrong, and a way forward would be to learn from other country's to...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[izquierdista]

18. They aren't waking up

When I have to go back to visit (which I try to make as infrequent as possible), people think that I am strange. They look at me as if I have to suffer all sorts of deprivation to live abroad. If I tell them that a dentist worked on my teeth for 1/3 of what an American dentist would charge, they are shocked to find out that dentists are available outside of the US, or that they could ever do as competent a job as an American dentist.

I knew a man who was retired from the military, had lived all over the US and had been stationed overseas, yet he was terrified of foreign travel. It seems all his time abroad, he stayed close to the base and did not venture out to see how the locals lived. To this day, he refuses to leave the country, and is deathly afraid and suspicious of foreigners.

Americans don't know that their dollar is down heavily against foreign currencies, they don't care what happens in foreign countries, they won't change their confusing measurement to the metric system, they won't give up their very inefficient private automobiles for better public transport, but if foreign products will save them a penny, they will gladly buy them while it runs their own countryman out of business.

I personally think America peaked in the 1960s and Nixon was the one (that was even his slogan!) to start it on the long road down. Carter and Clinton were anomalies and brief respites from the downward trend that he established. He was even the one who gave Cheney and Rumsfeld their start in national politics.

[Delphinus]

22. To both izquierdista and Diclotican

you have given me so much food for thought in your dialog. Your viewpoints are an education to me and I thank you for sharing so honestly.

What we have done to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan is simply indefensible. We have destroyed their country and care not one whit about their hygiene issues - as long as ours are reasonably OK and the oil continues to flow. This is not what America is - it is, but it's not what it's supposed to be.

[Diclotican]

25. Delphinus

Delphinus

I thank you, if my humble writing in a language I am not fluent in, can help others;). If we just sit down and try to get each others view out I guess the world would be in a better shape..Less violent at least...
I try to go the honestly way, when I live.. Not easy, but I try.. And for the most part I manage it I hope;)

Iraq and Afghanistan have been to bombshell that I believe the american public never wanted in the first place. But it is not helping USs case when you don't WANT to know about what Iraq and Afghanistan have been, after more than 5 year with "liberation". I have almost stooped to look at CNN.INT because everything there are winkled at a angle where even bad news from the area, are given the aura of success.. You seldom look in CNN the pictures of bad news, but rather the anti-septic view of what is happened.. BBC-world are a much better channel.. Or it is maybe called BBC-America ower there I guess..

I really honestly don't believe that the american public don't care about the what happening in Afghanistan or Iraq. But for the most part the american public are aware of what is happening over seas anymore.. If you look at the news, even the international portion, for the most part, it is how american are and how american believe the rest of the world to be.. Not what the world really is.. The importance as your once great news channels and news paper had are almost gone.. Today you would find the best news about US, in British news paper... Are that not a very scary thing??

No I don't believe US to be that bad as it is today. I believe US to be a great nation, and a nation who should be in the front, not in the back.. But today it is in the back.. And I hope one day, when the american really are waking up, and se what is happening to this great nation of your, are doing something with it.. You must give the rulers a warning.. You have revolted against bad leaders before, you can do that again... If the population revolt against the rulers, the rulers have no guaranty about what is happening next...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[Diclotican]

24. izquierdista

izquierdista

It must be hard, and maybe even very sad to se what is happening in your own country when you have been on the outside for a while.. I guess the same is the case here in Norway to... But in a much smaller degree I hope.. It is easy not to se what is wrong in your own country, but easy to se what is wrong everywhere else.. I believe it to be the same problem everywhere in the world exactly that..

Well, many country have good dentist, or doctors.. Not everything are circling around the United States when it come to that type of thing I am afraid.. Even the old Soviet had some extremely good doctors, and many of them get job over in the US after the wall was down.. USSR had a good share of excellent scientist too, and many of them was emigrating to either West-Europa, Israel or USA after the cold war was over.. If they was not been paid a lot of money for some rather scary nations who have need of their expertise..

The old man, must be a fearfully man, if he docent want to know the world.. US are not the worlds center, and a important thing to learn, is that you have to know little of the world.. With travel to other parts of the world, you get a deeper understanding of what the world are, and that not everyone on the outside of the border are dangrous... To stand just in a base, living by american, eat american and so on, are not the right way.. I feel rather sorry for the man, if he is so afraid of foreigners, because for the most part I doubt we are so dangerous as he may believe.. Rather the opposite.. Why travel to US if we want to do harm?.. Specially if we culturally, political and economical have a much common as many of us have?

The US dollar have been as a sinking rock in water for a long time.. For some reason or other I have tried to follow the US dollar compared to Norwegian kroner, and when I started to follow the US dollar compared to N.KR The divide was almost 7.6 to one US dollar.. Today the US dollar was 5.32, down 0.02 from yesterday... So I guess US dollar are in a decline it is hard to come out of..
Weal, many country are still stubborn about the metric system. Even that the most of the world are indeed using the metric system over the old imperial system x( Probably because it is french, and many in US Dot like everything that is frence.. Even that thanks to Many in france the United States was born in the late 1700s.. You know the battle in Yorktown?.. IF it was not for the 30.000 frence it could be the british who had won the day, and Washington who had to flee the battle...

Cheap goods are the same problem all over the world today.. It looks like EVERYONE want gods as sheep as possible. Even if it means lost job home.. I believe it to be silly, stupid, and possible dangerous for the world, that everyone want to send the factories to China or other low labor country,.. Sooner or later the China would find out that they can strangle the world to do their bidding... Even that China are more liberal today then it was 20 year ago, it is still a communist country.. Where the Party are ruling pretty alone.. I am not dissing China here. But if China and US was to be lets say on unfriendly terms down the road, the US could find them self without some important essentials pretty soon.. And it would take time and money to build up what is been produced in China.. And I fear that US don't have the money to put up all this new factories everywhere. Even if their companies have a lot of cash, they may not be willing to use it...

I don't know if US peaked in the 1960s.. I am not that old that I rembember the 1960s I am fraid.. A child of the 1970s-1980s And then US was a big power.. I don't remember Carter very vel. But I know that he was elected in 1976, the same year I was born.. And i remember Clinton well.. And compared to mr Bush jr he was a terrific president.. Even that he had some flunks in his character.. But he was a respected President.. And when he was in Oslo in 1998, he was welcomed as a hero.. Even that his visit pretty well closed down the City Center for the duration of his visit.. Almost hopeless to drive (and the city center is difficult enough when it is not closed down) And even if you use the train, it was not easy.. Even that many demonstrated against him too.. I really doubt that 60.000 Norwegian in Oslo would stand hour at lengths, to se mr Bush driving true up from Grand Hotel (or was it the american ambassador) to the castle to visit our king... We may stand there, but not for celebrating, but rather to trow rotten tomato's at the car...:evilgrin:

Yes I know that mr Nixon was the one who gave both Cheney and Rumsfelds the starts in national politics.. And i really doubt that even Nixon for all hes fault believed his protegees as that bad.. But the right wing ideology would destroy this county of you, if you are not doing something about it.. Many of you can emigrate to other places. But it is millions who have not that opportunity.. And they would end up in bondage or as serfs, if not this type of pirate capitalism, are not twarted... And destroyed.. It IS a reason that the STATE are here.. We just can't trust corporation enough to believe them to give all the services that a modern country need to exist.. As the different corporations so well have proved in many poor country, they don't care if you have water or not.. So long they get your bucks...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[OneBlueSky]

11. what this country has done to Iraq is BOTH a war crime and a crime against humanity . . .

and BushCo needs to pay for their crimes . . .

[SpiralHawk]

12. "I promised you our republicon SURGE would work. Smirk." - Commander AWOL Bush

"You can depend on us republicon homelander cronies to do a heckuva job. Smirk."

- Commander AWOL

[DUlover2909]

13. Is the oil OK? That's all that matters! We OK on oil?

[trusty elf]

14. The Drowning Street memo?

Way to go Dub, you fuckwit. Mission accomplished.

[dpbrown]

16. "when not enough attention was paid to basic infrastructure"

Couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that the United States and Britain kept attacking Iraqi infrastructure with air raids during that time, could it.

:sarcasm:

[underpants]

20. Summer is going to be extra "sweet" this year huh?

:scared::puke:

[Supersedeas]

21. the surge of BS is not only from the media accomplices

[GoddessOfGuinness]

23. So's the white house