Scourge of Scientology dies in apparent suicide

[Prefer]

Source: North Pinellas

CLEARWATER - Shawn Lonsdale, whose one-man crusade against Scientology made him a public enemy of the church, was found dead at his home over the weekend in an apparent suicide. He was 39.

Police discovered Lonsdale's body at 12:20 p.m. Saturday after neighbors reported a foul odor. They found a garden hose stretched from the exhaust pipe of Lonsdale's car into a window of his home at 510 N Lincoln Ave., according to Clearwater police spokeswoman Elizabeth Daly-Watts.

Read more: http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/19/Northpinellas/Scourge_of_Scientolog.shtml

[Occam Bandage]

1. Oh my God. Those evil, evil fuckers. Holy shit.

[madrchsod]

2. ya right

they own clearwater

[DS1]

3. I've never heard of that method used in such a manner

I always figured people put it in the car window itself. The house method would take a long time, and probably be the most miserable.

I'd look for signs of struggle if I were the police.

[sharp_stick]

6. If you don't have a garage this would work pretty well

Just close the door on a small room and away you go. Some singer up here in the NE used a charcoal BBQ in his bathroom last year to acomplish the same end.

[shain from kane]

7. Brad Delp, Boston. n/t

[groovedaddy]

8. "They" tried it on David Moorehouse & his family by placing a running

generator in the garage that had been just outside the garage door and damned near got the whole family. His is an interesting story of life in the military and eventual use as a remote viewer:

http://www.psychicwarrior.com/

[DS1]

10. I read that book years ago

Don't remember that part, however.

[flyarm]

26. OMG ..my favorite book..i give it out to people!! great book!! eom

[apnu]

16. Sorry, its Clearwater. Co$ owns that town. Lock, stock and barrel

Don't expect much from them.


What a waste.

[fascisthunter]

4. Foul Play, Anybody?

I hope they seriously investigate this.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. In Clearwater? Not likely.

As I understand it the cult OWNS that town. Nobody crosses them, nobody investigates them.

[Mike Daniels]

5. That's seems a lot of effort (hooking up a hose to run through a house window)

when one could easily just sit in a running car in a poorly ventilated area.

I'm not given over to much tin-foil conspiracy crap but this definitely smells (no pun intended).

[Yael]

9. Okay -- assuming he didn't have a garage

Wouldn't it have been easier to pipe the hose into the car window?

Of course, you don't have that nasty issue of dragging an unconscious body out of the house with that method.

[Divine Discontent]

38. OOPS

sorry I didn't see your post, although as I know you to be smart, I should have figured you'd think the same thing.


it's just a TAD bit too obvious, isn't it?

garden hose through the window???? when was THAT last done?

[tinrobot]

12. He was featured in the BBC documentary "Scientology and Me"

Here's the segment on him, where the BBC films him being harassed by Scientologists:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wGecZssWc5M&feature=PlayList&p=AA1AB681F8829FB2&index=2

Pretty creepy, if you ask me.

Here's all parts of the documentary:

Part 1 -- http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pG49lg5AU&feature=PlayList&p=AA1AB681F8829FB2&index=0
Part 2 -- http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=pnG--NCL4KI&feature=PlayList&p=AA1AB681F8829FB2&index=1
Part 3 -- http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wGecZssWc5M&feature=PlayList&p=AA1AB681F8829FB2&index=2
Part 4 -- http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv8IQ0Z_G_U&feature=PlayList&p=AA1AB681F8829FB2&index=3

[crim son]

17. I just watched part one.

I can't say it's any creepier than people believing a man was born of a virgin, the Son of God, who then performed miracles and even raised the dead, was eventually killed but then rose again and is now present in everybody's life. But it's just as bizarre. Death by the garden hose? Also creepy. Poor guy.

[INDIA]

36. ummm...Scientology's beliefs aren't whats under attack here...

nobody really cares what Alien gods they believe in. If you think they are attacked because of "creepy" beliefs then you have a poor understanding of what they are and what they do...

The issue is how they are charging (i.e. fleecing) their members in a massive pyramid scheme that preys on peoples vulnerability and gullability.

The issue is how they are forcing some members to cut all ties with their families.

The issue is how they are pushing members (through seaorg) into slave labor to construct scientology centers and retreats around the world.

The issue is how at least one member was kidnapped by members and locked in a hotel room until she starved to death.

The issue is how they harass, stalk, and attack through frivolous litigation anybody who chooses to speak out against the church.

The issue is how they characterize and demonize physchiatrists and medication for mental health, to the point that one of their past members went of his meds and committed murder.

The list goes on. Oops, we better look out. They might be coming for me since I'm an SP.
:hide:

[crim son]

43. I can't help but believe that if their beliefs were not an issue

then none of what you posted would be an issue. Yet I counsel you, lock away your garden hoses and batten down the hatches.

[timtom]

49. I believe that

India3"s list of issues enumerate the characteristics of a cult. I suggest that culthood and its evils are the issue.

[nealmhughes]

20. Is the Davis Xenu guy a taller version of Tom Cruise in the video?

Mirrored sunglasses, interrupting the BBC guy to tell the Beeb that the had been busted for male prostitution and possession of pot was hilarious.
The Xenu people coming out of the building in Clearwater was plain creepy, like some sort of pod people to my jaded eyes.

[tinrobot]

22. He's the son of actress Anne Archer.

She's also a Scientologist.

Perhaps he's a stellar example of what children become when raised as Scientologists.

[King Coal]

29. Thanks Tin, I'm really enjoying this. I eat this stuff up with a spoon.

[tinrobot]

31. Here's more:

A good article about him in the Saint Petersburg Times

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/17/Floridian/Scientology_s_scourge.shtml

The quote that stood out from the article:

"People don't live too long doing this kind of thing in Clearwater."

Apparently not.

[tblue37]

13. I doubt it. n/t

[The Stranger]

14. How many people wanted him dead?

Who are they and what were they doing at the time?

[pitohui]

15. he was already dead, they'd already destroyed him

he was fired from his job thru their efforts and was reduced to stocking shelves at age 39 with no future

they never had to raise a finger in any criminal act, having destroyed his hope for a future, all they had to do was sit back and wait

very sad

[Warpy]

18. Suicide my flabby old ass

It would take too much time to fill the volume of a house with fumes for it to be a particularly efficient way to commit suicide. People who want to kill themselves just run the hose through some cardboard placed in a car window, turn the key and wait. It's much faster that way.

This looks like something that was done while he was sleeping. It would work that way. He'd never have awakened until it was too late.

[LTR]

19. Normally, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy

But I wouldn't be surprised to find foul play involved.

[Elspeth]

53. ME neither

......

[trogdor]

21. Roll your own religion.

Just make one up out of thin air. Publish a "guidebook" on how to do this and keep it compatible (more or less) with your current faith. Place the whole shooting match into the public domain. Spread the gospel of the "Church of DIY" far and wide.

That's how you stamp out "pay for pray" religions like Scientology.

[Chovexani]

46. There are actually non-cult affiliated Scientologists

I forget what they call themselves, but they made their own E-meters and don't charge for audits and stuff. They still believe in all the teachings, they just don't agree with the cult's practices.

Naturally, the cult is none too thrilled with them. They don't even deem them SPs, but something worse.

[Lilith Velkor]

54. They call themselves Freezoners

Don't know what the cult calls them.

[crispini]

23. Oh no!

I may have to join the Anonymous movement. This is ridiculous.

[flyarm]

24. l live across the water from downtown clearwater..i am on my way there now for a city counsil

meeting at the courthouse..i will see what i can find out about this..

all of downtown clearwater is now just about owned by Scientology..they make me sick..

seriously they make me sick..the kids that are indocrinated have nothing behind their eyes..they look like zombies.

fly

[Divine Discontent]

35. hi flyarm

when I drive through there to get to my favorite beach, I crack up at the zombies... and yes, I weep for the lost souls, as their vacant stares are creepy. I am a Christian, and I don't have that look, as some here claim all of us do, but, unless one has seen the hordes of young people walking around Clearwater, they know not what we speak... it's really creepy, and I essentially go around the north side (along the water) to get to the bridge to Clearwater Beach, because I don't like going through the downtown.

Oh, and I'm sure we'll eventually here there was something showing this was foul play, as the circumstances are just too odd.

Flyarm, may you be protected as you go through Zombiewater, I had no idea you were there.... best wishes!

[Hydra]

25. Ya, "Suicide"

Next thing you know, the catholic church will be thumbscrewing people and burning them at the stake, and it will be "self mutilation followed by self immolation."

[BluePatriot]

27. ...

Holy cow. Someone needs to alert Anonymous. I wonder for their safety now too. "Suicide" -- yeah right

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18460759
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozvaMGkDjo
http://torrentfreak.com/anonymous-scientology-hackers-speak-out-080127/

[knight_of_the_star]

30. Trust me

We already know

[YOY]

28. If it is a homicide here is a good rough estimation of the perp:

[BreweryYardRat]

32. Suicide? My *entire* ass.

Murder most foul. Good luck getting it investigated over there, though.

[BrklynLiberal]

33. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Thor_MN]

34. Garden hose? Sounds unlikely.

Running a car in a closed garage, breathing it's own exhaust, will eventually deplete the oxygen and cause incomplete combustion leading to production of carbon monoxide. You then start to die as CO binds tightly to hemoglobin, blocking oxygen transfer in blood.

A modern car, unless very badly tuned, breathing fresh outside air, will not produce measurable amounts of carbon monoxide. I suppose you could eventually put enough CO2 into the house to cause some issues, but...

[Heywood J]

50. Seconded. If he had no garage, there isn't any way for that to work.

A car produces nitrogen oxides and carbon dioxide mostly. There is carbon monoxide produced, but most houses are so leaky that at the levels the engine would be putting out while running in the open, it would be diffusing through the various cracks and openings, all of which would be admitting oxygen. It would take ages for that to work. You really need to do it in the garage to make it work, or if in a house, a relatively sealed and self-contained room.

This is so damned fishy that it reeks. The feds or state prosecutors need to be brought in.

[Divine Discontent]

37. and you don't call that an apparent suicide

that shows someone wanting to get someone by a secretive way of pumping co2 in so they didn't have to move a body! come on... sure sounds like an unlikely way to off ones self.

[Zynx]

39. Considering how fucking weird Scientology is I would not rule anything out.

[melody]

40. Why does Cheney bother with Blackwater, he should just hire Co$

They'd probably kill people for a lot less money.

[HuffleClaw]

41. *snicker* suicide. yeah right.

but will this be properly investigated? $cientology-related crimes tend to fade away there

[mahatmakanejeeves]

42. What kind of car? You know, it's nearly impossible

to kill yourself using the exhaust of a late model car. The emissions are so well controlled that there's virtually no carbon monoxide in the exhaust stream.

I'm just sayin'.

[LeftyMom]

44. I totally believe that. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go see a man about a bridge.

;)

[Chovexani]

45. Another victim of the cult

Put him on the list with Lisa McPherson.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

[Tektonik]

47. Is there anything in Florida that's not totally fucked up?

[shadowknows69]

48. Does Tom Cruise have an alibi for that day?

[spoony]

51. This is like how L Ron Hubbard's own son was "suicided"

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/Quentin_Hubbard_22/index.html

I wonder if they saved some money and used the same hose.

[Javaman]

52. two questions...

when is the autopsy? and who will be doing the autopsy?