US says missed intelligence after spy act expired

[louis-t]

Source: Yahoo News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. spy agencies have missed intelligence in the days since terrorism surveillance legislation expired, officials told Congress on Friday, but a top Democrat accused the administration of "fear mongering."

Mukasey and McConnell gave no details of the missed intelligence. They told Reyes, however, some communications firms "have delayed or refused compliance with our requests to initiate new surveillance of foreign intelligence targets."

Most companies intend to cooperate for the time being but have "deep misgivings" about continuing, they said.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080222/pl_nm/security_usa_surveillance_dc_1;_ylt=AivI5icO3v9RyVPJsjyDa8kE1vAI

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Hoo Boy, terra fear fear terra. Sheeesh!

[Cerridwen]

1. How do they know they've missed it? Are they still spying?

How can you miss something if you can't see/hear/etc. it?

[BattyDem]

2. That's my question, too.

How could they possibly know what they missed or when they missed it? :shrug:

[Cerridwen]

15. I can only presume it has something to do with those missing emails that

they never wrote. Or maybe something to do with the crimes they didn't commit but which weren't really crimes anyway. Or the torture that we don't do except for when we do it since it's not really torture anyway.

Ow.

I can't keep this up much longer. It hurts my head.

[bonito]

26. Right , let's have an investigation

Oh yea, never mind the details
:sarcasm:

[LiberalFighter]

9. You forgot they can sense when they miss something.

The problem is trying to figure out what they missed.

But if they can truly sense when they miss something they should be able to sense who might be possible threats and their connections and get the necessary warrants. I guess they can't make sense of the sense they have or the sense it more than they can sense.

[Cerridwen]

11. Ow.

Your post made perfect sense to me.

But now my head hurts.

LOL

[LiberalFighter]

30. I am so bad. But I had to do it. They were asking for it.

[NanceGreggs]

12. Oh, yeah, go ahead and screw up ...

... a perfectly reasonable argument by bringing common sense and facts into the discussion.

Have you NO shame? :shrug:

[Cerridwen]

13. Nope. None. Not a scintilla. Not a shred of decency, either.

I'm a commie, pinko, liberal, peacenik, intellectual who sometimes sees inconsistencies as, you should pardon the word, LIES!

Ahem, did I mention I'm a castrating, man-hating, feminist, too?

:evilgrin:

[rzemanfl]

17. That castrating part made me wince. Must you? n/t

[Cerridwen]

18. It depends,

if I'm going to be accused of it anyway...

LOL

Seriously, sorry for the wince. I hope I didn't cause your interest in this thread to, er, shrink. :D

[rzemanfl]

19. Hell, I'm so old I will need Depends soon, so I guess it shouldn't

wince.

[Cerridwen]

21. Get outta mah head!

I had that visual when I typed "depends" and almost used a different word because of it. I was *sure* it was only my own twisted brain that would go there. But, noooooooooo, you hadda go there, too.

LOL

[DCKit]

38. Hey Mom!!! n/t

[gateley]

3. Just get the damn warrant - it's not either/or. Jesus! nt

[Birthmark]

4. I expect they did miss some "intelligence"

And you can take that one of several ways.

[indie_voter]

5. That makes no sense. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Yeah they missed tapping the phones of innocent Americans

"They gave no details"



"No amount of fear mongering will change the fact that our intelligence collection capabilities have not been weakened since last week," Reid said.

Good for Reid...

[jimshoes]

7. I'm gonna guess they never missed a beat

on the domestic spying, firstly because they just don't give a shit about breaking laws and secondly they will lie regardless.

[santamargarita]

8. What a Bunch of Crap!

Bush says the Democrats have put our country more in danger of an attack by letting the Protect America Act lapse. This claim is nonsense. The 30 year old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act gives the executive branch all the power it needs to spy on terrorists.

The choice between FISA and the Protect America Act has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism, at least not from foreign terrorists. Bush and his brownshirts object to FISA, because the law requires Bush to obtain warrants from a FISA court. Warrants mean that Bush is accountable. Bush and his brownshirts argue that accountability is an infringement on the power of the president.

Paul Craig Roberts

[Demeter]

10. You Can't Miss What You Never Had

and these bozos never had any intelligence to begin with. Just insatiable appetites and low animal cunning.

[GrantDem]

14. Instead of wasting time talking to Congress...

They should taking advantage of the 72 hour window to get a warrant. Quit wasting time fear mongering.

[frog92969]

16. You could've set your watch to this.

If there's a phase two to this drama that's what should concern us.

[leftchick]

20. if intelligence is missed it is because of their negligence

FISA is still working just fine. Are they too fucking lazy to get warrants?

[Canuckistanian]

22. Bullshit. Pure Bullshit.

If they missed some intelligence, then someone needs to be fired.

Because it's PERFECTLY LEGAL to TAP ANY COMMUNICATION LINE when you have A WARRANT which is GRANTED EVEN RETROACTIVELY by the notoriously lenient FISA court.

The telecoms DO NOT have a right to refuse if they know a FISA warrant is forthcoming.

[sakabatou]

23. Cry babies

[RYOMYO]

24. spying is illegal, period,.

nt

[tandot]

25. We are missing intelligence since Bush took office. n/t

[OKthatsIT]

27. THIS IS PRIVATIZED INTEL..what do you expect?

PEOPLE...WAKE UP. This is CORPORATE intelligence we run our country on, now.

[bemildred]

28. I've been missing intelligence in our spy agencies for some time now.

Way before Bush came to power, that's for sure.

[slipslidingaway]

29. House GOP Video Against Dems On FISA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x96491

[Magleetis]

31. U.S. spy agencies have missed intelligence

I agree.

[sofa king]

32. Aw, what will we do without fake election year terra warnings?

[HuffleClaw]

33. if by 'intel' they mean hillary and obama's phone converstations

then yes, they have. (not that a mere law would stop them from such things)

[Thor_MN]

34. communications firms delaying or refusing to break the law

Too. F'ing. Bad.

The only possible reason retroactive immunity is needed is if laws were broken. And if companies are standing up against this corrupt and treasonous administration that is something to celebrate, not bemoan. If Mr. Magoo and McConnell are too damn lazy to get a FISA warrent, then THEY are the reason that intellgence has been missed, not that there is somthing wrong with the existing laws.

[Dark]

35. Bullshit. Good ole fashioned policework could've spoiled 911.

Bushit.

[truthisfreedom]

36. "Deep misgivings" about violating our privacy.

Oh hello, corporations, it's FUCKING OUR COUNTRY, YOU FUCKING WEASELS!

[truthisfreedom]

37. America belongs to American citizens, NOT CORPORATIONS.

It's time we shackle these straw-man articles to the raw truth.

[DCKit]

39. If they want accurate information, why not open a DU account like anyone else?

Of course automated data-mining is the EASY way, but why not make them work for it by forcing them to physically read every post - including the ones in GD-P?

They could also open up their chock-full-o' Terra-ist spy and unAmerican activities Sibel files, but that too would require actual work and offend the boss's sense of privacy.

There is no end to the work involved in dismantling that stupid Constitution.