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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:28 PM
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Clinton campaign starts 5-point attack on Obama
Source: Int Herald Tribune

After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama's candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a "kitchen sink" fusillade against Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum.

The effort underscores not only Clinton's recognition that the next round of primaries — in Ohio and Texas on March 4 — are must-win contests for her. It also reflects her advisers' belief that they can persuade many undecided voters to embrace her at the last minute by finally drawing sharply worded, attention-grabbing contrasts with Obama.

After denouncing Obama over the weekend for an anti-Clinton flier about the Nafta trade treaty, and then sarcastically portraying his message of hope Sunday as naïve, Clinton delivered a blistering speech on Monday that compared Obama's lack of foreign policy experience to that of the candidate George W. Bush.

Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/26/america/26clinton.php



Sounds to me like the final forays of a failing campaign

deconstructive
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 PM
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1. Last throes. n/t.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:01 AM
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13. We'll see, Dick.
:evilgrin:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 PM
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2. This Is Great
Instead of swallowing one hand grenade at a time, she can chug five at a sitting. Holy crap! She could drop by double-digits in a single day!

More genius by the Brittney Spears of politics.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:27 AM
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39. More like the Lindsay Lohan of politics!
I'm waiting for Hillary to star in I KNOW WHO KILLED MY POLITICAL CAREER!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:32 PM
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3. The Repugs are taking notes, no doubt.
She should stop the attacks.

If the Democrats really wanted her as their candidate, she wouldn't be struggling and losing momentum every day.

If she thinks she can attack her way to the nomination, she should just drop out, we don't need her.

We have a winning candidate and a great candidate in Obama.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 PM
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8. The repugs will slur any of our candidates, no matter what happens
It is how are candidates respond which will determine our success



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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:20 AM
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16. I'd say Obama...
is holding his own against a right wing attack right NOW.
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Esya Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:45 AM
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19. giving him a chance to practice
She's doing him a favor. If anyone thinks they will go easier on him that they have on her for the last 15 years they have another think coming. It just gives him practice dealing with what are obvious attack points for obvious weaknesses in his candidacy.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:32 PM
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4. Jesus Christ--is she fighting Barack Obama or Kaiser Wilhelm II?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:34 PM
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5. Oh yeah that'll work
Where did the Clinton campaign hire these geniuses.

If Bush's foreign policy experience was so bad why did she vote or his war resolution? And why does she still defend her vote?

She was fooled by bush? Or else she knew the war rationale was bullshit but lacked the courage to say so? I think it was the latter but either way it ain't Obama who looks bad.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:48 AM
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21. Another thought - Geo. W. got his foreign policy experience
from either his daddy or his daddy's helpers. Does that compare to being married to a President when it comes to experience? Looks like old fashion common sense along with a decent education should go quite a way in qualifying a person to run our country. You must be able to pick and choose qualified people to help in the operation of this powerful country, not qualified companies to help run the country. It has been way too long that we have been forced to make like sheep and follow the idiot leadership of bushco and the BS put on the people daily by the corp. media. No more bullying Please. People need to feel once again that their ideas matter. No more dictators.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:34 PM
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6. Its the war for the whitehouse
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:35 PM
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7. People that don't like the truth will often consider the truth sarcasm
because it's something they don't want to hear. Fact is, this "hope" crap is naive. It's also exploitative because Obama can never deliver on whatever the hell it is he's promising. Then again, since he's promising absolutely nothing but a whiff of vapor politics, he has nothing to worry about.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 PM
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9. all I see him promise is the dlc policies of hillary
without all the bitchy baggage:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:28 AM
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35. All I see in your post is revolting sexism.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:35 AM
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40. Very observant of you
I'll not comment on the DLC aspect, but Obama has done an excellent job of obscuring his real positions that are probably to the right of Hillary if they could ever be identified and scrutinized.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:41 AM
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41. "I came from a place called Hope."
Now whose campaign slogan was that?

Obama is running to be a leader, he has to inspire people to follow.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:45 AM
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43. Follow? Why?
is there any point to that?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 PM
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10. I don't see the problem with her fighting hard, even if the odds are long
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 11:43 PM by daleo
Even if Obama has this thing mostly sewn up, a good intense sparring match before the main event (general election) will keep him in shape. And Hillary Clinton might still come back - after all, that's why it is called a contest.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:53 PM
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12. I am amazed
at the implosion of the campaign. My hubby who is apolitical was watching KO with me tonite and the look on his face as she was ranting shame on you etc was not a good one. I think it reminded him too much of the rare times I have verbally hollered at him. I don't think it is doing her any good to proceed this way. I wish she had fired all her advisors months ago and started over. They are loosing this nomination for her.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:18 AM
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14. That could be
On the other hand, if her support rallies, then people will call that the turning point (not that I think that is likely). The next week or so should tell the tale.

In some ways, I think a Democratic contest that gets dragged out longer is a good thing. It keeps people interested, and it takes time away from the corporate media being able to concentrate on undermining the Democratic candidate.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:44 PM
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11. "5-point attack" == Scorched Earth.
And I thought I couldn't be more done with her and her ilk. Thanks for proving my impression of you right, Senator Clinton.
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rontun Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:19 AM
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15. It won't work
Whether it's a five-point or a fifty-point attack, Clinton is not going to succeed in halting Obama's momentum, and indeed she is helping fuel it.

Her attacks represent precisely what Obama supporters abhor - the politics of personal destruction.

What is attracting millions of voters to Senator Obama is their trust that he will work hard to change the level of discourse in Washington and throughout the country. People are tired of the divisiveness that has paralyzed Congress.

The Clintons survived the 1990s by waging war with right-wing extremists. It's true that they are combat tested. But their problem is that they have yet to learn how to move beyond attack politics. It's ingrained in their system.

Most Americans realize that we can't afford another four years of politics in Washington that resembles the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:23 AM
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17. Does she know how to do anything else?
Every time I come here I find five new "Hillary launches new attack" threads. And the Hillary people have the gall to call Obama a dirty campaigner?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:33 AM
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18. "A thousand points of light"
She should have turned the volume up to 11 instead.

LoL
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proust78 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:48 AM
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20. She'd better find some Republican friends in the Senate
You've lost, Hillary. Stop trying to destroy the Democratic Party.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:52 AM
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22. Sounds to me like someting she should have been doing the whole time.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:57 AM
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23. Against Bush-Cheney.
Hitting the rookie just looks weak.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:42 AM
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26. aww, the poor rookie.... please
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:03 AM
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36. where was her attacks against bush/cheney? oh wait, that's right
that would have been helping the country. This fight today is to get her personal power.

I see the difference.

but I'm encouraging you to have her keep attacking. its working out so well for your candidate! LOL!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:59 AM
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24. . . . and the Shame on You America tour kicks off!
Thud.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:05 AM
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25. does anyone know....
what. EXACTLY, the five points (star of death tiger claw) attack are? Is Sonny Chiba involved??
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:51 AM
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27. Hrmmmm
Good question. I bet I can tell you what it sounds like:

A well fed lady singing :P
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:27 AM
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28. The same GW Bush who "tricked"
Her into war? Did Hillary think Bush was a genius in 2002? So she trusted her vote to an idiot who was for sure going to war without having any foreign policy experience. Why don't she just go away.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:02 AM
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29. She's desperate
And she'l say or do anything to get elected.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:45 AM
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30. Desperate?
She's disgusting. If she's the nominee, I simply won't vote for anyone rather than vote for John McCain or for that equally disgusting Ralph Nader who is probably the worst nightmare of all. He cost Gore the election in 2000 in Florida. That is just as much the reality of what happened in Florida as the Supreme Court using their power to delay a decision in order to make a recount impossible.

You expect this type of campaigning in the election itself. Not in a primary. She is dividing the party. And divided it will fall.

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 04:09 AM
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31. Desperado
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 04:11 AM by ClayZ
Desperado, why dont you come to your senses?
You been out ridin fences for so long now
Oh, youre a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin you
Can hurt you somehow




Poor Hillary!


GOBAMA!!!
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 04:37 AM
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32. Political Capital
We all despise the way bush squandered the surplus passed on to him by the Clinton administration, and yet Hilliary also started this campaign with a surlpus of politcal capital, there was talk of a coronation rather than a campaign. Reality showed that Hilliary was unable to put away Barach Obama early on, and has ever since floundered in her efforts to stop him.Like it or not, Hillary has already shown she is not a politician like her husband. The more she strikes out the stronger Obama becomes, I don't like her current strategy and believe it will do more harm to her campaign then anything else, but think it is similar to what the republicans will do. I really did not care which one won, I liked them both but recently I have grown tired of Hillary.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 04:58 AM
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33. So how does it feel, getting a taste of your own medicine? n/t
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 05:08 AM
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34. Final forays -- here's hoping.
I'd've voted for her and I don't have anything against
her, but I'm sick of this and want the whole thing to be
over and let's get on with destroying John "1000 years"
McCain.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:10 AM
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37. Reeks of desperation. And isn't at all good for the party
going forward.

Why do she and her advisors think that by being so negative, all sorts of people looking for some hope will suddenly rally to them? Even if they succeed in tearing down the other guy, why would they think that will draw people to them?

This is a bad move. And I think next week will be it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:11 AM
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38. "...hope is naive"- what a GREAT message to run on!
i don't even think that i want that stupid cow in the senate anymore.
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indio55555 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:49 AM
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42. I was neutral on my candidate until yesterday……
Thanks Hillary for showing your real face. Actually I was leaning more to your side, but I guess I was wrong the whole time. I don’t mind these political arguments, but it’s another thing to mock someone. This reminds me of my little cousin. When she can’t have things her way she starts to cry and throw things…. She’s only 5 years old, and how old are you?

I’d fire your advisors…. I think they are working for Obama, but then again it’s too late.
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