Flowers Putting Clinton Phone Conversations Up For Bid

[derzauberberg]

Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal

Asked about the timing of her announcement coming out as Hillary Clinton continues to slide in her presidential bid, “I don’t need to hurt Hillary. She is doing a fine job of that herself, along with her idiot husband. Karma is an interesting thing. If these two don’t get elected, and they are a team, it will be karma coming back to visit them. It's about time."

Read more: http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/normclarke/breaking_news/15949272.html?normBN=true

[Lerkfish]

1. I don't agree with her doing this, but I can't fault her assessment of the clinton campaign

[Demeter]

2. If That's Her Retirement Plan, I Say Good Luck

She should have cashed in while there was still a market for that crap.

[SpiralHawk]

3. "meeeeeowwwww." - Gennie

[polichick]

4. Well, karma is a powerful thing...

The team she mentions did try to smear and discredit her without any qualms ~ I'm surprised she hasn't sold the tapes before now.

[stillcool]

6. timing is every thing..

or maybe she had no nibbles before.

[CoffeeCat]

11. Those are the actions of a sociopath...

Anyone who has a long-term affair with someone, and then proceeds to throw them under
the bus on the national stage--really has to set aside their conscious, in order to
hurt another human being like that.

I think anyone who is treated so poorly, has the right to feel as if she wants some
justice.

[polichick]

13. I agree. nt

[aquart]

36. Justice? For screwing a married man?

We're very lenient about that here. No actual stoning.

What "justice" do you think she should get for humiliating a family and attempting to wreck a career because she had sex with a guy?

[lumpy]

41. She is creating her own Karma and it isn't pretty.

Money worship.

[lumpy]

42. She is a shallow bimbo who had an affair with a married man.

Speaking of Karma.

[Mist]

5. Her 15 minutes were over 15 years ago. nt

[tanstaafl]

7. Oh please ...

The only reason she is doing this now is the same reason someone sells stock. They believe the value has topped out and if they don't sell now it might lose so much value it won't be worth much. She is only selling it now because she thinks it won't be worth anything once Hillary loses the primary.

[grmamo]

19. my thought also! n/t

[CoffeeCat]

8. I can understand her anger....

She had an affair with Bill Clinton, who was a cad to cheat on his wife. Then, he lies to America about having
the affair and then launches a campaign to eviscerate Flowers seven ways to Sunday.

I'd be a little angry too!

Geez, you would have thought that Bill Clinton learned his lesson. He did the same thing with Monica: Boink,
get caught, lie, then try to discredit the victim.

I have to say that I am disgusted with Bill Clinton's behavior--which has gone on for years and with many
women, and I am also disgusted with Hillary Clinton for enduring this bullshit. I think both of them are
very dysfunctional people. Bill is clearly a sex addict, and Hillary puts up with it for God-only-knows-why--for
years.

People say she endured it, for political reasons. Well, what about Chelsea? Can you imagine the dynamics between
these two all of those years---fighting, bitterness, anger, repeated affairs, etc.

I stood up for Bill Clinton through the whole Monica thing and I voted for him twice.

After their silence as BushCo decimates our democracy and their socializing with the Bush family--combined with their behavior
in this primary--I think both of them offer nothing but scandal and disappointment to our party now.

[polichick]

15. Hillary did more than endure, she was his biggest enabler...

..."immediately going into battle mode" as her bio film stated (the female reporter with her was shocked that it was her first response). It's sad on all counts ~ but this woman deserves to be vindicated, and I hope this helps.

[lumpy]

44. Vindicated for screwing around with another woman's

husband? For Christ's sake. She should take her blood money and go quietly into the night and be forgotten. Ugh

[rocktivity]

51. Flowers could have vindicated HERSELF by producing the tapes when she was accused

Call Monica Lewinsky what you like, but you can't call her a liar. If Flowers has so little self-esteem that she allowed herself to be considered a liar for twelve years, she's as worthless as her tapes are--assuming, of course, they were recorded legally.

x(
rocknation

[zalinda]

16. And where is the anger for the women who KNEW

he was married and went to bed with him anyway. I don't get it. Monica went to DC to seduce him and yet she comes off as some little innocent? Sorry, but it plays both ways. These women knew he was married and started a fling with him anyway, so where is your outrage at that?

A woman broke up my marriage. She did everything that she could to bring him over to her side, she played to every weakness he had. He has a problem with drinking, so she went with him to bars. He liked to play the hero, so she played the victim. She ended up with him. Oh, and she was my best friend at the time.

And, in my generation, which is the same as Clinton's, men always denied having sex with a woman. It was the gentlemanly thing to do, but things have changed, women now brag about having sex. It is also in my generation that people stayed married to work their problems out, I guess that is why divorce wasn't so common back then.

Do I think it's right for a man to cheat? No, my father was a womanizer too, and it was not pleasant. But, every woman who sleeps with a married man, is to blame too. Because she should know better, she should be be deemed just as guilty as the guy who just wants to get laid.

zalinda

[CoffeeCat]

20. You have three people behaving badly...

Flowers, who knew she was screwing a married man.
Bill Clinton, who was cheating on his wife and family.
Hillary, who endured this crap for year--for political reasons and to further her career.

They're all guilty and all behaving badly.

However, Bill Clinton took his bad behavior to new lows when he LIED about the affair on
a public stage, and tried desperately to position Flowers as a lying whore, to the entire
world. His campaign was willing to rip her to shreds and sacrifice her--to protect Bill
Clinton.

Many people have affairs, and no one is saying that any person in this situation is innocent.

However, sacrificing another human being and lying about your own behavior--in order to further
yourself--is sociopathic.

[polichick]

32. Well said...

All guilty ~ but not equally so. For those who have worked with or studied sociopaths, it's very clear. But these characters are great at collecting enablers and fans because they are usually amazingly charismatic ~ fascinating stuff, though sadly destructive.

[yardwork]

49. I don't understand why the guilt spreads to Hillary. I think that is unreasonable.

[Serial Mom]

22. I have no pity for her or anyone else who exposes an affair

for MONEY!

Bill was wrong in all his escapades, but to sell your story of an affair is just plain greed.

She is discrediting herself by being the "other woman"!


I don't feel sorry for her or others who keep the dress!

[Bake]

25. By the way, it takes TWO to tango

She knew BC was a married man. She's just as guilty as he is. Period.

And now she wants to cash in. That makes her a gold-digging ho' as well.

Bake

[mahatmakanejeeves]

34. My congressman, Jim Moran, said

something to the effect that Hillary would have been justified taking a 2 by 4 to Bill's face. I concur.

[aquart]

37. "Discredit the victim."

EXCUSE ME? A woman who has voluntary sex with a married man is a VICTIM??? What the hell are you on? Both Monica and this broad KNEW he was married. KNEW he was high profile. There are RULES to those games.

Victims, my ass. They were starfuckers who were upset at not getting public credit for it. ZERO sympathy.

[lumpy]

45. Bully for you for stating it for what it is.

Victim my ass. The wife and children are the victims in these nasty affairs.

[yardwork]

50. And yet, somehow Hillary is being blamed as one of the perpetrators!

That's just wrong, imo.

[lumpy]

43. What does that say about her. Having an affair for many

years with B. Clinton without regard for his wife and daughter is to be commended? She is no better for it than B. Clinton is. Women who degrade themselves and cause pain for others in the process do not deserve respect. Just another of the things that is so wrong with this country, no regard for others.

[snooper2]

9. Is that legal? don't you need both parties permission?

I can't just record somebody while talking to them on the phone and sell it, right?

[CoffeeCat]

12. The law differs from state to state...

In many states, you can record without the other person knowing.

In other states, both party must be aware that they are recording.

[AngryAmish]

23. statute of limitations might have run

I don't know for sure, tho.

[stahbrett]

10. This is what Hillary promises to bring back to the country

Let's bring back all of those old scandals, brush off the dust, and catch up on what is happening with all of these characters! It's like the Indiana Jones sequel! Is everyone excited?

[CoffeeCat]

14. These scandals have been presented with Bill Clinton...

...as center of attention and Hillary hidden away in the closet.

However, there really is a whole other side to these scandals that involves Hillary Clinton.

I find her tolerance of Bill's decades of boinking bimbos--just as immoral as his boinking.

There has never been an in-depth examination of "Why" Hillary Clinton endures Bill's sex
addiction. They both appear to be two dysfunctional people feeding off of each other's
sickness.

Either she's a complete idiot for putting up with multiple affairs and humiliation (victim), or
she's a stalwart who endured it all for political purposes--which, in my opinion makes her a
heartless opportunist who served her career but ignored the needs of her daughter.

There is no healthy, functional reason that a woman would stay with a lying, cheating man who
treats women like objects--especially when you have children.

[boilinmad]

17. I think its called...

....'in good times and in bad times, til death do us part'. Its really probably the whole same sex marriage thing that is destroying their relationship and causing him to cheat. You know how its such a threat to traditional marriage, that institution that seems to be working so well in our country.:sarcasm:

[lumpy]

46. Some woman believe in marriage/family /church to the

point of putting up with about anything. I was one of those until I wised up. I don't presume to know Hillary's motivations for sticking with it. I was young and I stuck with my first marriage because I had been brainwashed by my church, in that I would be guilty of adultry.

[yardwork]

52. Frankly, I think it is pretty low to blame the faithful wife.

Some of this hatred of Hillary, and willingness to blame her for absolutely everything, just goes way beyond reason.

How you figure that Hillary is at fault for her husband's affairs I really don't understand. I don't think you would get many takers if the wife were anyone but Hillary Clinton, who for some reason is totally reviled by some beyond all rationality.

[CRH]

53. Your sparkles are diminished, when clouded by your hate. n/t

[CBHagman]

18. Handsome is as handsome does.

And as for karma, well, a person who has left nail marks in the headlines for so long isn't quite the best judge of that...

[pattmarty]

21. All these rich Republicans that made all that money the last 7 yrs.......

....... can bid on this and get their weird sexual fantasies fulfilled.

[truthisfreedom]

24. If it was bush on the tapes, Gennifer Flowers would be in a small plane somewhere in the Bermuda

Triangle right now. Wait a minute... naw, she would have been given press credentials, a free pass to the WH, and plenty of overnight stays.

[Ganja Ninja]

26. Yeah right. She screws around with a married man and he's

the bad guy that Karma needs to catch up with. Poor innocent little Jennifer.

[LostinVA]

27. Transparent as glass

[Javaman]

28. yet another side show to the side show.

she's out to make money on retreads. fine. hell bell bottoms came back to. And all the metro's bought them up like they were going out of style. which they were.

so in come ms. flowers with some "new" national enquirer info on the clintons.

Whatever.

the last 20 years in this country it's been either bush* or clinton.

We need a change, not more of the same and not more digging up of long buried corpse.

[acmavm]

29. Good grief. One floozie has a blue dress with cum stains, another

has tapes of thier phone conversations.

He has absolutely shit taste in women with whom he chooses to cheat.

[aquart]

38. Truly. Although Monica did look like his mom. And Jennifer was a Hillary.

But they were starfuckers and clearly had future plans for profit and, say, a book deal, or possibly a movie?

No one saves a stained dress for sentimental reasons. AS FOR TAPING CALLS...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? No one with a real emotional investment would EVER do that.

[lumpy]

47. Some men like prostitutes.

x

[bemildred]

30. Goodness, what do Britney and Paris think about this? nt

[BearSquirrel2]

31. SHAME ON EVERYONE HERE!!!

Gennifer Flowers is a FRAUD and has always been so. You are all laboring under the haze of the Conservative News Network (CNN) that ran sensationalist stories without looking into the basic facts of Gennifer Flowers. She's a serial liar. She's never produced ANY evidence of an affair.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh101503.shtml

[aquart]

39. True. Not the long term thing she claims.

Dear little blackmailer that she is. TAPING THE CALLS??????

[acmavm]

40. Well, if she's got tapes, that's gonna be pretty damn hard to

refute.

Billy's taste in mistresses is shit.

[daleo]

33. This is still irrelevant

Democrats said this sort of thing was irrelevant when Starr was going after Clinton. Now suddenly it is supposed to matter? Was Starr right all along?

[libnnc]

35. You...

Again.

[rocktivity]

48. She allows her credibility and integrity to be trashed for TWLEVE YEARS

while sitting on evidence that could have instantly exonerated her? She IS kinky. What's the acronym of that anti-Hillary 527 organization again?

x(
rocknation

[bitchkitty]

54. What if one morning, I woke up,

and discovered a changed planet - sex reduced to what it is, a pleasure neither sacred nor sinful, between consenting adults.

I would probably think I was in heaven.

I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. This whole thread is full of indignant zipper-sniffers.