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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:17 PM
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McCain Endorsement Angers Catholic League President
Source: Washington Post

HOUSTON -- The president of the Catholic League today blasted Sen. John McCain for accepting the endorsement of Texas evangelicalist John Hagee, calling the controversial pastor a bigot who has "waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church."

Hagee, who is known for his crusading support of Israel, backed McCain's presidential bid Wednesday, standing next to the senator at a hotel in San Antonio and calling McCain "a man of principle."

But Catholic League President Bill Donohue said in a statement today that Hagee has written extensively in negative ways about the Catholic Church, "calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.'"

...snip...

The McCain campaign had no immediate comment on the statement.


Read more: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html



I generally find Bill Donohue an overly sensitive pain. But if Hagee's writing can be confirmed, McCain better apologize immediately -- unless he feels the evangelicals have more to offer?
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:20 PM
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1. He needs both
so he better start apologizing pretty quick. Catholics are a sizable chunk of the US population.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:21 PM
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25. If you ever put Donahue and Hagee into the same room together, the Big Bang
would recur and life as we know it would end. :) Or something heretical like that. Both of them are dicks.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:20 PM
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2. Bright Spots In This Election Season
Bigots calling each other out.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM
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3. Oh my! One bigot calling another a bigot!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:25 PM
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4. I love this. In 2004 all the nutcases...
joined forces to support Bush, and now they are tearing each other appart.

There are alot more Catholics than there are folks in Hagee's cult to be sure, but Catholics who listen to Donohue and Hagee followers are cut of the same filthy cloth.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:10 AM
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27. Them is runnin outta places to try to torch -- but they still gotta bad case of th'firebug
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:10 AM
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30. But when push comes to shove, they'll *ALL* fall in line and vote Republican. (NT)
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 10:11 AM by Tesha
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:27 PM
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5. Catholics Against McCain!! Catholics Against McCain!!
I'm going to spread this meme. I'm a Catholic, I can do that.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:32 PM
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9. Oh please!...
Send out the link to this story and "share" your "outrage" with all of the conservative Catholics you know.:evilgrin:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:44 PM
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16. ...
:thumbsup:
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:29 PM
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6. John "No-Popery" McCain
:rofl:
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:30 PM
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7. Will the Clown Timmy Russert ever ask McCain to denounce Hagee?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 04:31 PM by featherman
Doubt it.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:37 PM
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11. Hard to denounce him when they have pictures...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:44 PM
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15. Exactly. I'm not holding my breath. Although I'm pretty sure
Timmy is Catholic, so maybe there's a slight chance he'd take it personally?
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:31 PM
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8. Love sitting back and watching the right wing attack each other!
:popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn:
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:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:32 PM
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10. I love it when any bigot gets tripped up by one of his own and is surprised.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:42 PM
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12. UPDATE: He's as scary as advertised
from The New York Times

Mr. Hagee, who argues that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive, biblically prophesized military strike against Iran that will lead to the second coming of Christ, praised Mr. McCain for his pro-Israel views.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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33. all I can say is ...



Bat.Shit.Crazy. :scared:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM
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13. Hagee is the equivalent of Louis Farrakhan -- why doesn't that Hobgoblin Tim Russert attack McCain?
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:10 PM
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20. You can send Russert a proposed question
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

click on the Participate tab
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:47 PM
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26. that's a bit extreme
has Hagee called Muslims a gutter religion like Farrakhan has said about Judaism


sorry-Farrakhan is much worse
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:33 AM
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31. Hagee openly called for an Armageddon religion/race war against all Muslims.
It is a holy obligation to go to war with millions of another race and/or religion. (Most assume that means killing thousands if not millions on the other side.) He has railed against gays and lesbians openly.

If you knew more about him, you would not think it to be extreme.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM
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14. Ha! This is great! Let's get gasbag Donohue and McCain fighting!
It's a win-win for the sane people!
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:54 PM
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17. McCain actually needs both sides
You would think the rank and file would unite on the two things they agree upon, their "pro-life" definition and twisted view of "pro-family" aka anti-gay marriage.

But if figureheads of the wingnut groups want to attack each other they can go right ahead.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:05 PM
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18. Donohue calling someone else a bigot is way, way past the pot calling the kettle black.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:07 PM by BrklynLiberal
I would bet that if one looked up "bigot" in the dictionary, Donahue's picture would be among those you would find.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:08 PM
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19. McCain and the parting of the red sea........Jews vs. Catholics.
Interesting.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:13 PM
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21. Who DOESN'T anger Bill Donohue?
I think the guy lives on outrage alone.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:15 PM
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22. And this is exactly what would happen if they ever achieved their Christian theocracy.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:27 PM
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23. Oh, this is rich!
I love, love, LOVE that this backfired on him.
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idovoodoo Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:34 PM
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24. Donohue and Hagee...boy howdy THERE's a couple of nasty old pricks...
:puke:
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:18 AM
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28. Rum, Romanism and Rebellion
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 08:19 AM by tomg
"We are Republicans, and don't propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been rum, Romanism, and rebellion" said by Samuel Burchard 1884 - a Minister who supported James G. Blaine a week before the election where he lost to Grover Cleveland ( who, on his side, had been accused of fathering a child out of wedlock - "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa/ Gone to the White House Ha Ha Ha).

Much like McCain, Blaine didn't disavow the statement ( his mother was a Catholic and his sister a nun). It cost him New York.

Too bad the Hagee thing is coming from Donohue who is right up there with Hagee on the asshole-a-meter.

Maybe we can have Hagee and Donohue on a pay per view cage match.


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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:08 AM
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29. Hagee endorses McBush
A scum endorsing a scum. A person of principle? lol....wow hagee is a person full of crap.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:07 PM
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32. Poor McCain
Apologizing for hateful, ignorant, bigoted wind-bag radio hosts one day...Receiving endorsements from hateful, ignorant, bigoted wind-bag preachers the next.

This is going to be fun to watch.

"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right"

Hopefully, after this election, their Party will be so decimated, you won't be able to find two Republicans to rub together in a public bathroom.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:20 PM
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34. I thought Evangelicals used to attack the leftist side of the Catholic church
like the Jesuits
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:16 PM
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44. Actually, Evangelicals view the Rman Catholic Church in general as
idolatrous and heretical (for theological reasons dating back to the Reformation and years immediately prior). In the early part of the 20th century, the Ku Klux Klan (a predominantly WASP organization in the South and Midwest) was notable for its racism against blacks, its anti-semitism against Jews, and its anti-Catholicism.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:28 PM
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47. in the 80's Catholics were not considered only idolatrous and heretical
but communist by the evangelicals who attacked the Liberation theology
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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35. Catholics chastise McCain for touting evangelical support
Source: The Guardian Unlimited

US Catholic groups on the left and right are chastising John McCain today for touting his endorsement from an evangelical preacher who has called the church a "false cult" and "the great whore".

McCain campaigned this week with John Hagee, leader of a 17,000-member Texas mega-church and a stalwart supporter of Israel. The likely Republican nominee said he was proud to win Hagee's nod, an undeniable boost as McCain courts sceptical evangelical voters.

But in the process of wooing Christian support, McCain appears to have alienated Catholics. The conservative US Catholic League, which boasts more than 350,000 members, urged the Arizona senator to reject Hagee and noted that the preacher has accused Catholics of enabling the Holocaust.

There are plenty of staunch evangelical leaders who are pro-Israel, but are not anti-Catholic," William Donohue, the league's president, said in a statement. "John Hagee is not one of them."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/johnmccain.uselections2008



Interesting? In the last election, the conservative Catholic leadership seemed to be in bed with the evangelicals on the abortion issue. Is this one more sign that the conservative coalition is breaking up?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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36. Perfect. There goes one the largest blocks of swing voters.
I hope that our nominee sees fit to make use of this.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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37. I read this on Yahoo news too this AM. I think this is GREAT NEWS!
I grew up in Pgh. Pa. and when I moved to SC in 1987 I was SHOCKED & SURPRISED that the locals all considered Catholics to be in a cult! I had NEVER heard of that before! Well, I've lived in both SC & Ga. and I found out it's a very common belief in both States. The main reason I think this dustup about McCain and Hagee is so great is that Catholics who are paying attention to the campaign will ALL now hear about this too! It's sure not going to gain McCain any votes that I can see.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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38. I love it when xians have a pissing contest!
"I've got the truth!" "No, I do!" " My Jesus can kick your Jesus' ass!" "No! Mine can kick yours ass!"
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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39. The Christian coalition is falling apart
I always thought it would, as there is a long history of distrust and even hatred of the Catholic Church amongst some evangelicals--I recall when a cousin who was an evangelical missionary gave my mom anti-Catholic literature when Kennedy ran for President.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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40. The hatred goes all the way back to Luther and Calvin.
It's actually a pretty standard position amongst theologically-conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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41. thanks for adding that
I knew that there was bad blood between the groups way back when, but I thought perhaps it had died down, only to be revived.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:20 PM
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45. Probably the greatest ecumenical opening between Protestants and Catholics
was in the (you guessed it!) 1960s, during the papacy of Pope John 23rd. (A total peace kook, btw, unlike the current Pope.)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:46 PM
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46. Oh yeah....
and Protestant churches were more liberal and open then. I was raised in the Methodist Church and studied under a very liberal pastor--as I look back, I think the church veered to the right while I veered further to the left. Now when I visit my brother and attend his Methodist church it seems so strange and constricted to me.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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42. The Child-Rapers and their enablers are whining about evangelical support
Don't the catholic perverts know yet that they are not relevant?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM
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43. Republicans Have Divided This Country in Every Aspect
just for political power. The GOP makes me sick!
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