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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:52 PM
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GOP Uses Surveillance Bill to Bash Democrats
Source: Washington Post

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 28, 2008; Page A08

Republicans are convinced that highlighting their counterterrorism policies will be a political winner in this presidential election year, and they have focused this week on Democratic opposition to their version of a new surveillance bill as a way to paint Democrats as soft on national security, according to GOP lawmakers and their aides.

Democrats respond that they are unfazed by the attacks, arguing that most Americans doubt the credibility of President Bush and Republicans when it comes to warning about security threats.

Bush and GOP lawmakers have been releasing a blizzard of public statements and organizing multiple news conferences to pressure the House to adopt a Senate bill renewing and expanding a temporary surveillance law called the Protect America Act. The measure would grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies over their cooperation in warrantless wiretapping done after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR2008022703316.html



Again, we are not against wiretapping.
We are against Warrantless Wiretapping.

This administration doesn't care about National Security. If it did, they would have signed the bill that had everything they wanted except retroactive immunity.

What they want is a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for themselves and their telecomm buddies.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:56 PM
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1. GOP and Idiot-In-Chief have no credibility left
They can stamp their little feet all they want, but nobody's listening.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:18 PM
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11. and besides they still haven't caught Osama Bin Laden
with all this fancy surveilllance they haven't made much headway.
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JohnA Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:42 PM
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12. Truth as Terrorism
President Bush holds press conference
Congress urged to pass law making it easier to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists.
- MSNBC – February 28, 2008


Truth as Terrorism

By John Albanese

Just who are these suspected terrorists that President Bush seeks a blank check to spy on? Recent reports in USA Today indicates that the government’s terrorist watch list has swelled to 755,000 names. In December of 2005 NBC News reported that a secret Defense Department document listed a Quaker Meeting House gathering of anti-war activists as a “threat.”

“This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/


MSNBC goes on to report:

… the Pentagon now collects domestic intelligence that goes beyond legitimate concerns about terrorism or protecting U.S. military installations, say critics.

In December 2005 the ACLU published a press release: New Documents Show FBI Targeting Environmental and Animal Rights Groups Activities as ‘Domestic Terrorism’

The ACLU said that some of the documents suggest infiltration by undercover “sources” at animal rights meetings and conferences.

At times, the documents show aggressive attempts by the FBI to link PETA, Greenpeace and other mainstream organizations to activists associated with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) or Earth Liberation Front (ELF), said the ACLU. PETA, in particular, is repeatedly and falsely singled out as a “front” for militant organizations although in at least one document released today the FBI appears to acknowledge that it has no evidence to back up such assertions.
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/23124prs20051220.html


Equally disturbing, on November 8, 2007 CSPAN aired a hearing of the Homeland Security Subcommittee's "Terrorism and the Internet." These hearings purported to identify "home grown terrorist recruiters" on the internet, in connection with House Bill HR 1955, "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007."

As part of those hearings a powerpoint presentation listed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth alongside websites that feature bomb-making techniques and terrorist training manuals.

In reality, AE911Truth.org is a website dedicated to studying and publishing peer reviewed articles associated with the collapse of all three World Trade Center buildings on 9/11. AE911Truth.org lists 281 architectural and engineering professionals as signatory members, the vast majority of which are American citizens with advanced degrees in architecture, structural engineering and physics.

Architects, engineers and physicists labeled as homegrown terrorist recruiters?

But the story gets worse. In a recent interview with Nancy Murray, director of the Bill of Rights Education Project at the ACLU of Massachusetts, she confirmed that the problem of government surveillance has progressed into documented examples of harassment and intimidation campaigns. In one case cited by Murray, a Boston anti-war activist had his personal information published online, along with train schedules documenting his movements. The online harassment campaign exhorted viewers to stalk, harass and otherwise threaten the anti-war activist on the basis of his political opinions.

In another more disturbing example members of various 9/11 victim’s family groups have experienced similar online harassment campaigns. According to longtime 9/11 victim’s group supporter, Jon Gold:

“They receive emails no one should. They receive threats against them and their families. Just horrible horrible things that they most assuredly DO NOT deserve.

If you are with the attackers, I have a few questions for you. Is this the United States of America or isn't it? Do we have the right to ask questions of our Government or don't we? If you lost a loved one, in a murder, would you want people to send you threatening emails, or to be intimidated just because you want the murder of your loved one investigated? Please try and answer those questions honestly.”


And, according to New York Times best selling author, Steve Alten, author of The Shell Game, he and his publicist, Patricia Stevens, have been the target of similar attacks. As he responded publicly to one of his attackers:

“You have invaded my privacy and are hurting a kind soul in Trish Stevens, whose mother died of cancer on Friday. I have contacted the FBI...something you already posted since you have access to my e-mail...which is illegal.”

Although one could easily point out that political discourse is an American tradition, and those who voice perceived controversial viewpoints may be in fact inviting vigorous and bellicose opposition. One could easily make the case that this is the price of freedom, and the consequences of freedom of speech.

But, the unusually high incidence of civilian complaints relating to political retaliation, harassment campaigns, breaches in privacy, email accounts broached, surveillance – and in some cases photographs of the subjects of this surveillance inexplicably emerging online as part of organized harassment campaigns – has led many civil libertarians to conclude that the current federal eavesdropping laws are being abused, and are aimed at silencing political opponents with no conceivable ties to terrorist organizations.

One must wonder why an administration that is unwilling to secure our borders, and has encouraged the selling of United States port security to the United Arab Emirate, would be so interested in peering into the emails of pacifists, scientists, environmentalists and Truth movement activists.









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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:31 AM
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17. Political harrassment by government agencies is also an American tradition
I know. Received my own share of unwanted attention when I was a college student in Boston in the early 1980s. Same old, same old.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:05 AM
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18. Hi JohnA!
Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:34 PM
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20. why would the families of victims of 9/11 receive threats and hate mail?
something is horribly wrong somewhere?
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:17 PM
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22. Welcome to DU. ...
Enjoyed the article you posted.
Hope your future posts are as educational and thought informing
as your first.

Since this administration started spying on the American citizens
in Feb. of 2001 (that's 7 months before 9/11), how much info do they
have on the democratic leadership? Is this why congress continues
to cave on this administrations requests.

And if/when the Dems take the WH, will Hillary or Barack roll back
the unitary Presidential laws that this administrations lives on?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:59 PM
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2. How strangely uncharacteristic of the GOP...
They've been such paragons of civility the last decade or so, it's just so hard to imagine what could have driven them to this.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:01 PM
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3. Pretty Soon All the GOP Leadership Will Have All the Surveillance They Can Stand
while they are tucked away for extended periods in their high-security prison cells!

This is the only way I can fall asleep at night, dreaming of these things. Pretty sad, huh?
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:25 PM
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4. 9/11 Redux: 'Thousands of Aliens' in U.S. Flight Schools Illegally
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:53 PM
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5. I think that we're "on to them" now.. The law of diminished returns
has hit the "fear factor".. finally.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:56 PM
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6. The difference between the Dems
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:58 PM by Arctic Dave
and the pugs is when it comes to national defense, we believe in circling the wagons and pointing the guns out. They, one the other hand, believe in circling the wagons and pointing the guns in. Don't you just feel safer with these idiots in power.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:59 PM
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7. Again, the "warrantless wiretapping done after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks" lie.
This illegality (the warrantless wiretapping) began long before 9/11/01. In fact, it started shortly after Bush was installed.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:07 PM
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8. dems better get way out ahead on this issue...keep stressing how reasonable
their position is and that they're protecting americans from illegal activities....any terror alert or event will be twisted to become dems fault otherwise. They need to work hard to keep on top of the issue.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:40 PM
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9. Amazing what congress
Could find if they just investigated 9/11 and found that the whole thing is a farce.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:09 PM
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10. I watch a fair amount
of House and Senate floor debate on CSPAN, its rare that a Reptilian gets up to speak without bashing the Dem's on something or another. Kind of reminds me of a group of third graders, all taking their turn repeating the same talking points. WAPO calls that news, not hardly anything new.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:13 AM
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13. ThinkProgress: GOP ‘Griping’ That They Haven’t Seen ‘The Financial Gravy Train’ From Telecoms
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/gop-telecom-cash/

If anyone is looking for a “financial gravy train,” it’s conservatives. Roll Call reports that congressional conservatives are “grumbling” and “griping” that their efforts to protect telecoms haven’t yielded more contributions from the industry:

With the House Democrats’ refusal to grant retroactive immunity to phone companies — stalling the rewrite of the warrantless wiretapping program — GOP leadership aides are grumbling that their party isn’t getting more political money from the telecommunications industry. <…>

In a reflection of the sensitivity of the subject matter, and an apparent recognition that they would undermine their own messaging by appearing to be motivated by fundraising concerns, Republicans on and off Capitol Hill declined to comment on the record. <…>

“There’s no question that from time to time staff, and maybe some Members, say to fellow travelers: ‘Are you giving us some air cover? Are you helping us help you?’”

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_100/news/22299-1.html?type=pf


Despite GOP complaints that their efforts to grant retroactive immunity for the industry aren’t being financially rewarded, three out of the four major phone companies “still give a majority to Republicans,” though “by slimmer margins than in years past.”
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:50 AM
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14. I would use this to bash the GOP with:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:34 AM
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15. Hmmm...
.....maybe it's not so bad after all folks. (Edit: after some thought...yeah IT IS :tinfoilhat:) Hear me out.

Siegelman - I think Rove is about to shit a proverbial brick. The only place that his side of the story has be told is on Feax, and he's about to have 52 former atty's general breathing down his neck.

FISA - Well, unless this shitty congress actually does something to stop this executive bullying, then we're screwed. I think all we need is ONE person to stand up and say that Bush is only doing this to protect himself (except KO, because only people that actually know what the hell is going on watch him, and everyone else sticks their head in the sand). Seriously, ONE person...maybe a Senator or Congressman, and then get it on camera on the local news (HA!!!).

USDA/GAO debacle from today...think we'll see that in the news?

McCain - he's about to have a few cards tumbling down, and he is in the media nonstop.

I could go on, but you all know just how much there is. I think it's becoming just a little too much for them to handle. As it becomes more apparent that we'll probably have a Dem. exec AND Congress next year, I think the fear of the media, judiciary, and congress might be starting to wain...just a little, maybe?

Could we be seeing it all coming to an end for the repukes?

Or, is GW going to come out and say that we've been threatened with "nucular weapons" if we don't elect Obama, so now it's time to suspend the free elections...then when the people revolt Cheney institutes his police force? Or, just Diebold landslide it for McCain so they don't have to, in which case the police force will come after we're in a Depression. Hmmm...fascism is on the march again how many steps are left after that? Seriously, somebody answer me here, are there any more steps left after that?!?!?!?!.

It's...too...late...SHIT!!

Why else wouldn't the coward Dem congress be doing something...like impeachment...I'll tell you why...they fear what will happen to them when it's all over.

Or, or, or, am I just a tinfoil hat nutjob???? I think I would rather be, then it'd just be me that's screwed. :tinfoilhat:
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:48 AM
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16. oh FRIGGIN great!!
That just went into a fucking database somewhere. Now all they have to do is search a few key words and come get me.

I'm going to go stock up on some things and head for the mountains..:tinfoilhat:..SEE YA!!! j/k.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:38 AM
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19. Fear and Lies....Lies and Fear -- that's the way of the Repig
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:08 PM
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21. The Repiggies Demand the Right to WATERGATE Their Political Opponents
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:40 PM
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23. How can they bash dems for the bill when no one in the country but
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 07:40 PM by MasonJar
the WH ba__ards want the immunity?
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