MSNBC: Clinton Takes Texas, Ohio, NBC Projects

[Hissyspit]

Source: NBC News

Clinton revives campaign in Ohio, Texas
N.Y. senator also takes Rhode Island, NBC projects; Obama wins Vermont

BREAKING NEWS
NBC News and MSNBC
updated 6 minutes ago
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton threw up a roadblock on Sen. Barack Obama’s path to the Democratic presidential nomination by winning the giant Ohio and Texas primaries, NBC News projected Wednesday morning.

“For everyone here in Ohio and across America who’s been counted out and refused to be knocked out, and for everyone who has stumbled but stood right back up, and for everyone who works hard and never gives up, this one is for you,” Clinton said at a raucous rally in Columbus on a night when she took both of the two major prizes on offer.

Clinton, D-N.Y., and Obama, D-Ill., split the smaller Rhode Island and Vermont primaries, according to NBC News.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23463159

[k8conant]

1. Dupe

[Hissyspit]

6. Not in LBN. Different forum.

[aquart]

2. Delightful.

[Aviation Pro]

3. Interesting....

...maybe it's just a speed bump, a clerical error, a deviation from the standard for Senator Obama. Or maybe it's not.

[JustDavid]

48. I'd say some of the republibans from Texas

took Rush's advice and crossed party lines to vote for Hillary.


I also think the whole Che commie flag thing didn't set too well with many Texans either.....

[Cant trust em]

4. then the caucuses will come in

furthering to my furrowed brow. There's so much to analyze. As political junkies this has been a fascinating time.

[Aviation Pro]

5. And prove what....

...that a couple million votes can be offset by a bunch of arm twisters at a coffee klatch? If caucus goers feel so strongly about their respective candidates then go to the polls instead of hiding in the open.

[Cant trust em]

8. In Texas don't they have to do both?

I was listening to CNN earlier and they said that voters have to vote traditionally then go back to the caucuses. Something like that. I was listening to Clinton talk about this. Clearly I wasn't listening very intently.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. In order to participate in the Texas caucus they had to go to the polls first

It's not an either or kind of thing. First you vote then you caucus.

If you already knew this and I misunderstood your post then just ignore my mistake.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. It would appear they already are

Pretty quickly too.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX


Edit: They're on the very bottom. They show 5% reporting. This is amazing since I didn't expect to be seeing anything on this for the next day or so.

[D23MIURG23]

7. The math is quite clear.

she can't win without a superdelegate landslide.

[robinlynne]

14. Isn't Diebold doing the math again in Ohio?

[D23MIURG23]

19. I'd guess they are.

I don't know that there is any evidence of fraud though.

[EFerrari]

23. No, they're not. New SOS, new voting systems. n/t

[D23MIURG23]

59. Thats good to hear.

[pnwmom]

20. If she stays in the race and they continue to split the delegates, how

can Obama obtain the supermajority needed?

It seems to me that they're both in a similar spot.

[D23MIURG23]

44. Its about the relative number of supers needed.

Obama may actually be able to put her out of reach of the title or come close (I don't know how this figures out with the new counts yet).

If Hillary needs 400 supers and Obama needs 50 is that really a similar position (or likelihood of being nominated)?

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[Psychedelic_Tourist]

16. Hillary will ensure a McCain presidency

She will lose in the delegate count and drag the whole sorry process out until June. Along the way her mean vindictiveness and ego will provide plenty of dirt against Obama until the convention. She might as well give her dirty playbook to McCain 'cause the only ones that benefit will be the Republicans.
Thanks Hillary!
The Clinton Machine will ensure that even a loser like McCain can win the presidency.

[pnwmom]

21. You don't think the Rethugs will be able to attack Obama no matter how

Hillary runs her campaign now? You haven't been paying much attention to history, then. If they don't have anything solid to throw against Obama, then they'll make something up. That's what Swiftboating is.

[katty]

56. yup, the ReThugs will rip Obama apart

that's how the real world works-unfortunately.

[susanna]

60. You know, pnwmom,

I came to the conclusion that I'd rather have the dirt in our own primary than give the GOP the chance later. It's not a popular opinion (as I'm sure I'll hear in response to my post) but the fact is, if we take the worst out of play they're going to be making up stuff at the last minute instead of all along. Not sure I'm comfortable with that, but it seems where we're headed.

As an addendum: my super-GOP father says that in the end, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, he will "have" to vote for her. He absolutely, positively hates McCain. So I'm not sure of anything anymore. :shrug:

[Historic NY]

45. Sorry buddy it ain't over until the voting is over...........

March 8, 2008 Wyoming caucus
March 11, 2008 Mississippi primary
April 22, 2008 Pennsylvania
May 3, 2008 Guam caucus
May 6, 2008 Indiana primary
May 6, 2008 North Carolina
May 13, 2008 West Virginia primary
May 20, 2008 Kentucky primary
May 20, 2008 Oregon primary
June 3, 2008 Montana primary
June 3, 2008 South Dakota primary
June 7, 2008 Puerto Rico caucus

There are some 747 delegates and superdelegates still yet to be had. In my book its still anyones game. A total of 2,024 delegates are needed. I don't think either should concede just yet. There is only an 86 delegate difference between them right now. People worry about a brokered convention, wow imagine we are even talking about one that, we have candidates so close together. Some people said the Democrats could have the dream ticket. I think it could just happen. They both need the majority of the remaining delegate count to win and its not completely clear that all would go when the contests are held.

I want the best candidate to win and right now I would take either, because I want to WIN.

[JeanGrey]

52. Yup if she continues this we'll have President

McCain ....................... thanks

[Jack_DeLeon]

12. Good Job.

My whole family voted for her.

I wish she wouldnt support a renewed assault weapon ban, but hopefully when she is in office it wont get passed.

She atleast hasnt stated that she is against concealed carry like Obama has.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. She did well in Texas tonight

It pretty much seemed as if I was running into the same amount of Hillary supporters as Obama ones. That this stayed as close as it did for so long wasn't a great surprise for me.

Congrats to all Hillary's supporters!

[Hissyspit]

15. Obama seems to be winning the Dem Texas caucuses. n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

17. His campaign did a great job of explaining the process to people

And reminding them to actually do it.

My precinct was an even split tonight, but many people are saying Obama did better in theirs.

[Psychedelic_Tourist]

18. the dem boat is sinking

All Hillary is doing right now is creating "Reagan Democrats" for McCain

[merwin]

22. Yes, it's all Hillary's fault.

Keep on spouting the line. One would think competition between two great candidates would be a win for the Democratic party, considering every one of the Republican candidates has gone down in flames.

Looks to me like we've got two great candidates still in the race, and they've only got one.

[Enthusiast]

39. No merwin, you got it wrong.

Hillary has been clear that McCain would be a better choice than Barack Obama. She could not have been more clear on that. She is finished and with her go the Democrats.

[merwin]

58. Exactly where did she say McCain would be a better choice than Obama.

I'd like to see that direct quote from her.

[Enthusiast]

61. How about this?

This is the most underhanded thing I have ever seen out of a fellow Democrat. It is morally wrong to disrespect your fellow candidate for the Democratic nomination in this way. Hey, Obama supporters won't forget it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVOT-IH8sg

[barb162]

26. I think she'll swing a lot of disaffected Republicans to our side.

[Politicalboi]

27. How can she do that when

She can't even win disaffected Democrats. I will not vote for her if she drags this out and keeps up the with the slime campaign job she's doing.

[JeanGrey]

53. I will not vote for her and many of my dems friends will not.

This is a dangerous ploy-add to that the ticked off people that voted for Obama and you've got disaster

[barb162]

57. Because a lot of Republicans are fed up with Bush policies

of giving all to the rich and screwing the middle and lower classes and they're fed up with his fiscal irresponsibility, etc. And I don't know what you're talking about about re slime jobs, when Obama slimed her last night in his "exit" speech in San Antonio.

[Enthusiast]

40. barb, that is a fantasy. nt

[TommyO]

36. Would all of you defeatists just STFU!

Your claims that "the dem boat is sinking" is doing nothing to help ensure a Democratic win in November.

[Akimbo2112]

24. Obama got one more delegate in my...

precint but lost huge in the primary vote. He'll probably win the caucuses but not by gigantic margins I don't think.

I have to say it felt like everyone there tonight had a common purpose. I hope that emerges in the general no matter who gets the nod.

[TankLV]

25. CNN: CLINTON WINS TEXAS!!!!

I love all the obamababies crying - evidently it's not a "real" win because she didn't didn't get a higher percentage or some other bullshit they're trying to peddle...

HA!

If obama won by just a SINGLE percent - you can bet your ass that they'd be DEMANDING she "drop out" now!

HA!

Eat shit obama cry babies - I am sooo fucking sick of you sore losing antics and bullshit and LIES....

HA!

[Fedja]

28. Too much foaming around the mouth

...to remember who/what the enemy is?

[Hissyspit]

33. It's not bullshit peddling. Obama is leading in delegates and looks to get the most delegates from

Texas and tonight overall. And Clinton should have done better in Texas considering the polls from the past few months.

I am fucking sick of crappy hateful stupid posts like yours from either camp. There's been plenty of bullshit and lies coming from Clinton posters. Get off your moral high horse.

[JustDavid]

50. You said

"""Eat shit obama cry babies - I am sooo fucking sick of you sore losing antics and bullshit and LIES...."""

Oh yeah...classy. Very dignified of you, Thats a honorable attitude thats sure to win the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere. :eyes:

[JeanGrey]

54. She needs to drop out she cannot win without

disenfranchizing the SD's

[Up2Late]

29. CNN too!

But, but, but, "he has it all in hand...!" :rofl:

Anyone want to buy an Obama sticker?



http://www.cafepress.com/obama2016

[Psychedelic_Tourist]

30. but ... but ....

she is not going to win the delegate count ..... can you Hillary-bots understand that? Unless she cheats and whines about Florida, she will do nothing for the party but give amno for the republicans. She had to win big with the delegates in Ohio - she didn't. The only reason she should continue is to jockey for a V.P position - fat chance that will happen after she has poisoned the well. Thanks to Hillary's ego we will all be enjoying a McCain presidency and cursing Clinton for destroying Obama's chances in the general election.
Hillary dosen't give a shit about the Democratic Party - just ask Howard Dean.

[Craftsman]

31. Like it or lump it she had to win in OH and TX to stay in

She did. So the primaries continue.

[Enthusiast]

41. Psychedelic_Tourist has it right.

Sometimes we need mind expanding substances to cut through the bullshit. I'm starting to think that maybe Hillary and Bill have been stealth Republicans all along.

[liberal_rxstudent]

47. What?!?

What you and a few others are saying is insane! Bill and Hill being repubs?! Dems sinking boat?! No, seriously, what Bill Clinton did while in the white house was beneficial not only to the wealthy, but to the poor and middle class. I am supporting Hill, and although that 3am ad was pretty disturbing (I was a bit livid-), I hold the same view about the statement of the GOP being the party of ideas for quite sometime...of course, "not good ideas". Either way it goes, our support should be going to the democratic nominee...either Obama or Hillary will suffice in a contest against McCain. I, for one,am broke enough as it is...I truly believe that America does not want to have more of what McCain brings to the table (the same crap that Bush has already served). Hillary won in some big states...you cannot deny that there are a lot of people still supporting her, but this does not mean that these people won't support Obama if need be. :shrug:

[Enthusiast]

51. After Hillary says McCain would be a better choice

After Hillary says McCain would be a better choice for president than Obama? Do you think Obama supporters will ignore this? Or repeating that Obama supporters are nothing more than a personality cult? Even if Hillary wins the nomination she will have no chance without the vote of Obama supporters, Obama supporters that will no longer consider voting for her. She is done.

[Hissyspit]

32. .

[woodsprite]

34. I'm sorry, but I couldn't get past the first 8 words -

I kept thinking "Damn, Throwing up a road block musta hurt." ;)

[D23MIURG23]

42. lookes more like a pothole to me.

[hollowdweller]

35. Hillary has proved that Democrats will respond to GOP styled campaigning

Now the real test is will Obama start using it. She certainly has plenty of fodder for such ads.

[dropkickpa]

37. Wow

My state might, for once, have a real say in the primaries! 188 delegates up for grabs April 22nd, nothing to sneeze at with this close race. We shall see how things go, I'm working the polls then, I'll try to get a feel for how my area is voting.

[Conscious Confucius]

38. She's playing the underdog role now?

You've got to be shitting me.

Just because nobody likes her doesn't make her an underdog. It makes her toast in the general election.

[stevietheman]

43. I guess she's viable enough for the Vice Presidency...

that's what she won Tuesday night.

Obama's is still well out in front with pledged delegates, and remaining contests are unlikely to work in Hillary's favor.

[mitchleary]

46. Hillary should thanks the repubs

that voted for he in TX as well other states. Go look on freerepublic, they are bragging about it.


Hope that makes the hillary supporters in here feel good.

[AllexxisF1]

49. I am directly in the middle of these two but......

THERE IS NO WAY THAT HILLARY COULD MATHEMATICALLY WIN UNLESS THE SUPER DELEGATES OVERRIDE THE ELECTORATE.


...and that is never going to happen.



....if it does happen, you will see the biggest backlash in voter disenfranchisement in history and John McCain will win.


Is Hillary so wanting to be President that she would do all that is mentioned above just so she could have a chance to fight in the general election?


I'm not a Obamababy, I'm not a Clintonite ...I am a Progressive Democrat who wants to kick the living shit out of McCain. They are both excellent candidates but really in this time and place the PARTY HAS TO COME FIRST.

Looking at the numbers how the hell could any Hillary supporter be ok with her prostituting the super delegates in order to win?

[katty]

55. Congrats Hillary--for getting the job done in these states