Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's "silly" Irish Peace Claims

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: Telegraph

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."


Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

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Getting called out as a Bullshiter by a Prime Minster and a Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

Good Work Hillary.

[papau]

1. Mitchell -via Hillary - made this idiot join with others in the peace agreement - he is still an ass

[OzarkDem]

39. Thanks for sharing

No doubt there are still those who were reluctant to make peace in Ireland and are still content to take any opportunity to malign her for her role.

From what I understand, Clinton was instrumental in bringing influential women's groups into the process to press for a peace agreement. Until then women had a limited role in getting the warring sides to make peace.

[MadHound]

42. What role is that? Touring the countryside?

Oh, and if you have any sort of link to this claptrap about "influential womens' groups" please post it. Your lack of knowledge about Irish politics and history is showing.

[plantwomyn]

50. You don't need a link. You already have one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre. "It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton. We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely."

Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "I’ve always had a theory that these people were already well networked. Maybe they needed a bit of bringing together and she was an ideal focus point." Once a peace deal was in place, Mrs Clinton supported women politicians and was always available if they visited Washington "to give them a pat on the back, give them moral support", he added.

If you accept the Anti-Clinton bit of the article you should accept the Pro-Clinton bit too.
Come on People!

[CBHagman]

62. That's basically what Gerry Adams says.

Gerry Adams describes Hillary Clinton as "an avid supporter of the peace process. Here's a quotation from his book A Farther Shore.

"On a number of occasions she sat in for discussions between us and the President. Her political instincts on issues of equality meant that she had a natural affinity with the struggle for justice and equity. I also think that she understood the dynamics of the peace process and the need for it to have both forward momentum and a capacity to deliver on issues which affected disadvantaged people in their daily lives. She was to bring a singular contribution to the process on the issue of empowerment of women but in my engagements with her it was obvious that her mind was busy on all the issues that required attention."

[joeybee12]

41. Yeah, thanks...the Kool-Aid drinkers have been desperate all week...

...more lies and distortions...that's what they feed on.

[IndyOp]

2. You think her helping bring peace to Northern Ireland is impressive?

This morning I went to a talk of a Hillary surrogate at my local Democratic Women's Club and I learned that Hillary cares far, far more about peace in Africa than do members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Yup.

Also, Barack Obama has done absolutely nothing for Africa. Nothing. I learned that this morning too.

Yup.

:eyes:

Barack and the Genocide in Darfur: HBO Documentary

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. A negotiator for the Peace Process said She might have delayed the chance for peace

Steven King, a negotiator with Lord Trimble’s Ulster Unionist Party, argued that Mrs Clinton might even have helped delay the chances of peace. "She was invited along to some pre-arranged meetings but I don’t think she exactly brought anybody together that hadn’t been brought together already," he said. Mrs Clinton was "a cheerleader for the Irish republican side of the argument", he added.

"She really lost all credibility when on Bill Clinton’s last visit to Northern Ireland when she hugged and kissed Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness."

[Apollo11]

63. So maybe she sympathized with those trying to unify the island of Ireland.

I don't think that makes Hillary a terrorist enabler or an enemy of peace.

[bettyellen]

65. wow, you really don;t know who you are quoting, do you? this shit is hilarious.

very ignorant posts here.

[saigon68]

60. her helping bring peace and freedom to IRAQ is also impressive?

[AzDar]

3. She just keeps racking up those achievements, doesn't she?

Give it UP, Hillary... the whole world is now on to you.

[burythehatchet]

6. She is fast becoming a laughingstock

I wonder if she has started to believe her own bullshit.

[Zhade]

78. Becoming?

NT!

[IsItJustMe]

23. What a joker she is.

[Gman]

4. Obamabots are resorting to more and more ways around GD: P

Editorials, LBN...

then they cry, "But, it really is an editorial, or it really is LBN...but, but... and people need to see it... if they did, they would burn Hillary in effigy.... all they have to do is read this stuff... but, but, but... and it's not fair to put it in GD: P because they have it blocked and they'll never know... but, but, but... if they knew, they'd never piss on Hillary if she was on fire, ... but, but, but..."

[burythehatchet]

7. Good bye

:hi:

[Danger Mouse]

19. Look at the top of the DU front page, chuckles. What do you see?

Truth. Cold, hard truth.

[CreekDog]

56. Reality has a well known bias

:eyes:

[tabatha]

8. This would make a great ad for Obama.

[goclark]

9. Sure would be a great ad Ring Ring

:bounce:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. yes Obama should list her FALSE claims

this is what she is riding on - the coattails!

[ananda]

10. Actually..

Bill and Hillary Clinton were indeed instrumental in the Irish raprochement brokered by George Mitchell. We actually had something of a sane government then.

I know for a fact that many Irish people are grateful to the Clintons and respect them highly.

Sue

[sandnsea]

14. Bill was

Nobody is denying that. SHE wasn't, she didn't do shit. She's actually the epitome of the Holiday Inn commercial. She isn't really a President, but she stayed with one at a Holiday Inn and VOILA!!

[stillcool]

16. LOL...

she stayed at the Holiday Inn:rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. Excellent analogy.

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. Perfect!

How long does the media allow her to cherry pick what parts of Bill's record she wants to accept credit for, and the bad parts she doesn't? I guess you really can have it both ways? :shrug:

[DogPoundPup]

30. You said it!

Good one... :)

[L0oniX]

49. The closest she got to influencing the Irish was by using a bar of Irish Spring soap at the Inn.

[CountAllVotes]

67. they don't sell "Irish Spring"

in Ireland FYI. Thank god for that! :D

[Prophet 451]

29. Bill certainly was

If Hillary played much of a role, it's news to most of us.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. she was just trotting around town in N Ireland in her new pantsuit

she had no real role in the N Ireland peace process.

[dipsydoodle]

33. Why do laugh at my fwiends names

Something wong with Hillawy ? :)

[rosetta627]

12. Oh god this is hilarious

Padded the ol' resume eh Hill?

[tabasco]

13. Who ya' gonna believe???

"I didn't have time to disclose my taxes" Clinton, or

"Nobel Prize" Lord Trimble?

:shrug:

[wpelb]

15. Rah, rah, sis-boom-bah!

I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player.

Hillary as a cheerleader? Now I get the image of her wearing a tight sweater and a pleated miniskirt and holding pom-pons.

Yikes!

[Javaman]

17. Whooops!!!

Hey, I've driven near Daytona, but it doesn't mean I was in the 500! LOL

[hendo]

24. By the Hillary School..

If you ran for president you could claim it as an accomplishment. heck, while you are claiming to have been in the Daytona 500, why not just say you came in 1st. Learn from Hill, if you are going to make something up, go for the gold!

[kristopher]

18. The ultimate demonstration of resume padding...

I mean, really. If an applicant for any job submitted such an obviously padded resume they'd be laughed all the way out to the sidewalk.

How can the standards be so much lower for the most powerful executive position in the world?

[Danger Mouse]

20. Front paged!!

Awesome.

[hendo]

22. Clap Clap Clap

Good Show!

Fo' Shizzle

[Barack_America]

25. Oh dear. This is going to sting.

Wonder if any other foreign leaders are going to weigh in on Hillary's "experience".

We may not need her records as First Lady, after all.

:popcorn:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

44. MSM will ignore this. They love hillary for the moment.

makes for good, exciting press they can play with

[Politicalboi]

26. She's

"Magically Deceitful"

[Yavin4]

28. Can I Claim That I Won Four WS Titles As A Yankee?

I was there when they won. I cheered them on.

[petronius]

47. When you listen to players in post-game interviews,they always give

a lot of credit to "the fans." So yeah, I think you can say that. Actually, you probably played a more important role than those lazy pitchers, who only help out one game in four...

:)

[NM Independent]

31. My absolute favorite quote from this article...

"...Mrs Clinton was "a cheerleader for the Irish republican side of the argument", he added.


ROFLMAO

[Apollo11]

64. David Trimble supports the division of Ireland along ethnic/religious lines.

He supports maintaining the status of Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom, against the wishes of the vast majority of the Irish people.

Just for the record.

[gmudem]

32. She just gets more pathetic by the day

The press certainly took their time into actually looking into her so-called experience.

And I love the Holiday Inn line. haha

[cap]

34. funny thing.... the Republicans were constantly criticizing Hillary

for being overly involved in Bill's administration... I even heard one guy say that she was running the country.

I support Obama but I have heard Hillary give speeches before she was running and they were very substantive.

People, if Hillary ends up as the Democratic nominee, how are you going to transition yourselves back to the Democratic party after saying things like this. Leave yourselves an out.

For the Obama supporters, let's work hard to make O the nominee but let's do it in the style that he does it. High minded and graceful.

[mythyc]

36. i agree with a lot that you've said here. thanks for this evened perspective. n/t

[dansolo]

45. Sorry, but that train has already left

Once Hillary essentially stated her preference of McCain over Obama

[cap]

81. so where are you going after Denver?

are you staying home? Or are you joining McCain?

What's your plan if Obama doesn't win?

At my Democratic Committee meeting, both Hillary and Obama campaign leaders told the troops to chill and that we are all going to stick together come what may. We would both work hard and then we will come together in a joyful manner.

What's your Democratic Committee meetings telling you?

[Pachamama]

35. Silly is the nicest word I can think of to describe Hillary these days....

:puke:

Two weeks ago - I would have voted for either nominee...

Now - If she gets the nomination through superdelegates and changing the rules on MI & FL to get them seated, I will refuse to vote for her. Instead I'll write-in Obama's name on the ballot.

She is pathetic....sorry all you Hillary supporters, there is nothing, and I mean nothing that you could ever say to me that will change my mind about her. What she has accomplished to do in the last two weeks all on her own in her own words has been reason enough to never, ever vote for her.

[Window]

37. I wish Hilly would help bring some peace to this nomination process.

[awoke_in_2003]

38. That deserves a DUzy. nt

[yellerpup]

61. Second that!

Duzy-worthy.

[fascisthunter]

59. Do What's Best for the Party and Country?

Now that would be commendable.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

40. I would take anything that "Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey"

says with a big grain of salt. Why he even won the Nobel Peace Prize still makes my husband; born and raised in Northern Ireland, furious. One little fact about "Lord Trimble", he literally danced down the road with Ian Paisley, et al, in Drumcree in 1995. Yeah, he really deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. :sarcasm:

As for Hillary, consider the source. She's been padding her resume since she announced her desire for the nomination. Bill Clinton was instrumental in bringing "peace" to Northern Ireland not Hillary.

[CoolOnion]

52. Thank you!

Didn't see your post before I threw in my 2 cents. Thanks for your comment.

I always tell people that David Trimble went from being a top-ranking bigot (the Vanguard Movement) to just a regular bigot, taking a jig down the road with Paisley!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

43. And I parted the Red Sea for moses with a bean based fart.

Hill, hill, hill. When will you learn?

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. "...being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

So we're supposed to replace a cheerleader with another cheerleader?

[CoolOnion]

51. I still think it's silly that David Trimble won the Nobel

Sure, Hillary's exaggerating her claims about helping in the peace process, but David "Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey" Trimble didn't do much to help, either.

I helped with the Save the Good Friday Agreement Coalition, an international group dedicated to implementation of the Agreement after it was passed by a majority of people in Northern Ireland. David Trimble did everything he could think of, via legal manuevers, to keep the Agreement from going forward.

Before he was did everything he could to block the peace process, and when he couldn't defeat the will of the people, he resigned.

John Hume, who also got a Nobel for his role in the peace process, should have been the sole recipient of the prize that year, because Trimble contributed practically nothing to the process.

[CoolOnion]

53. Third paragraph screwed up--sorry.

Should read: "He did everything..."

My apologies for the cut and paste fart!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

54. you ignore hillary's roll at your own risk.

The roll she had with irish jam, coffee and topped off with harper's. But for her roll, toasted no less, there would have been no piece.

Because she is such a fine diplomat, in the footsteps of Condi Rice.

[CoolOnion]

57. lol! Good one!

:yourock:

[OKthatsIT]

55. N. Ireland was another Jesuit arrangement...

It's more important to the Jesuit General to create a NWO, than continue with the 'cointelpro' operations between the two factions(Catholic-Protestant). Once theye have all of Ireland 'signing on' to the EU's Constitution and Govt., the Papal strategy of faction fighting will no longer be needed.

[fascisthunter]

58. Geezus.... How Embarrassing. She Has No Clothes..... (nt)

[bettyellen]

66. these are people who tried to stop the peace process being quoted, LOL, total bullshit.

very funny to anyone who actually followed it, even superficially.

[Henny Penny]

68. I'm not sure you really want Lord Trimble and Stephen King

on your side... two rather odious right wingers...

But then some of you Obama cheerleaders seem rather clueless when it comes to your "big name" supporters.

[CoolOnion]

75. If Obama starts quoting Trimble, he's screwed.

Bernadette Devlin gave a speech--a year ago, I think--praising Barack Obama and going on to say how much Irish civil rights leaders had in common with African Americans. At the time, Irish-Americans were calling him "O'Bama," but if he starts quoting Trimble, he can kiss all that love goodbye.

[Major Hogwash]

69. She'll claim later this month that she wrote the 3rd verse of "Danny Boy", too.

Give me a break. The only peace Hillary ever brings anywhere is when she closes her mouth and stops cackling.

[ekwhite]

70. Now a Nobel Prize winner says she's lying

What more will it take for the MSM to pick up on this. Obama needs to put an ad in Pennsylvania highlighting Lord Trimble's words.

[CoolOnion]

74. Careful what you wish for

This is David Trimble we're talking about. Better read up on David "Lord Whatever" Trimble before hoping Obama quotes him. Quoting Trimble would be a huge mistake.

[Krashkopf]

71. The designated "speaker" in support of Clinton . . .

at today's Arapahoe County Colorado Assembly was still trumpeting Hillary's involvement in the Northern Ireland accords. I got a good laugh from the Obama supporters in the crowd, when, during a pause, I shouted out "thatsa wee bit silly!"

Delegates for the State Convention were split 65% - 35% OBAMA!

[Peregrine Took]

72. Pray tell, what did the "Lord" say?

No one ever listens to a "Lord."

[Zhade]

73. Yet another lie from Clinton.

People still support this unethical candidate?

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

76. I'm starting to feel embarrassed for her

How is being a cheerleader having useful foreign policy experience? Hey, my husband listens to me talk about teaching when I get home, he has seen me grading papers and emailing parents, but I wouldn't want him running a classroom. And he's the best cheerleader I've got!

[LeftishBrit]

77. This is Trimble's opinion, no doubt; not necessarily other people's!

Trimble was for a long time a very hard-line, right-wing Protestant leader; he was quite close to Ian Paisley. He did end up supporting and promoting the peace agreement, and should be respected for the political and physical courage that this involved (he lost his parliamentary seat as a result, and has received numerous death threats). However, even to this day, he is *not* the sort of person with whom most people on DU would agree on many issues! He is now a Conservative member of the House of Lords, and is a long-standing member of the Henry Jackson Society. Presumably, he'd prefer McCain to win the election.

In fact, I think I can guarantee that *any* UK DU-er would be quite startled to see Trimble's views quoted uncritically on this board.

[Apollo11]

79. Or *any* Irish DU-er for that matter (if there are any ...)

:eyes:

[rAVES]

80. Bill is highly respected here in Ireland.. Hillary is his husband.. nothing more

Nobody I know gives Hillary Credit for the good friday agreement.

[rAVES]

82. ROFL.. i meant wife....