Clintons Prod Dems on Delegate Strength

[RiverStone]

Source: AP/Google

WASHINGTON (AP) — After a weekend of campaign adversity, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband separately prodded Democratic Party leaders on Monday to look beyond mere delegate strength in picking a presidential nominee at this summer's national convention.

"I don't know that it will be an easy decision, but that's what leaders sign up for," said the former president, declaring that his wife's ability to win a general election should be considered.

The former first lady, who trails rival Sen. Barack Obama in the delegate chase, concurred. "I think it's a question about everything and I think people are going to have to take everything into account," she told reporters.

Made in different settings, the remarks underscore the debate roiling the Democratic Party as the primary season nears an apparently inconclusive end — while Republicans have begun to close ranks around Sen. John McCain for the fall campaign


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These strong arm tactics will only grow more intense.

Please contact your Super Delegates and remind them to follow the will of the people who elected them. I have been trying...and with a positive result:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5116422&mesg_id=5116422

[DesertFlower]

1. the clintons will do anything to win this election. nt

[papau]

2. As have the Obama team

[jlake]

23. Yeah, it will prove invaluable in the GE.

[Beregond2]

3. Delegates

Can you imagine what the Clintons would say if the situation were reversed and it was Obama's people making this arguement? LOL! Every day they reveal their naked ambition more and more. About the only function her campaign has served is to ruin their reputations forever.

[ryanmuegge]

9. I'm sure they wouldn't fight the Republicans this way after a stolen election

Democrats never fight when it counts anymore.

[saigon68]

17. LOL

the insanity increases

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. I just keep wondering why this seems so life & death to the Clintons....

Can anyone shed light on this for me? The desparation seems to be heightening along with the rhetoric, and it's not attractive at all.

[DesertFlower]

5. she is determined to be the first woman president and he

is determined to be "first gentleman". he also wants to be back in the white house.

i always loved bill clinton. i was never crazy about hillary. bill has completely "turned me off" and even though i would have supported hillary if she were the nominee after she endorsed McCain 5 times i don't know if i can.

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. For some reason, I think there's more to it than just being 1st female

prez. There is something else driving them. Her being the first female prez doesn't explain throwing Obama, along with the Democratic Party under the bus, while endorsing McCain. There are a lot of factors at work here, not the least among them, being the first woman elected president, but it doesn't explain her tunnel vision in driving the party over a cliff.

[DesertFlower]

14. i can't figure it out.

the only thing i can think of is if she can't be prez, she'd rather let mccain win. i think she really hates obama. she thought she was a "shoe in". and then along came obama who messed up her plans.

[RiverStone]

6. Simple. They know Obama has already won the pledged...

...delegates on points. She will not win the rest of the states by 65% (the math needed to overtake Barack).

The ONLY way she can win now is to convince the SD's to go against the will of the pledged delegates. What I can't fathom is how Hillary & Co. don't see that even if she were to succeed, the number of Dem voters who would walk away from the party in disgust would be way more than the gain (of winning). It would be a hollow victory and the Dems would lose the GE.

Imagine how angry all the folks would be to have their vote --- "over turned."

[Indenturedebtor]

7. What has become more and more clear

Is that they probably do "see it" and don't care. If they can't have it no one can! Disgusting. I'm done with them. I'm not voting for her if she steals the Primary. She'll lose anyways absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Now if McDeath has a MAJOR bombshell moment and starts polling at 50-50 vs Clinton, I'll go vote for no war with Iran. But I know for sure that if she steals this she'll start as the nom with 30% popular support or so.

[madrchsod]

8. "imagine how angry....."

i`ve waited for 40 yrs for another democrat that has the ability to bring young people into the political process. if obama has the lead in delegates and popular vote and does`t get the nomination then the party is going to lose the election and our country will make argentina look like paradise. i will be long dead before our party has another candidate like obama.

[rmgarrette64]

19. Neither can win without the SD's

Sorry, but Obama won't win the contest with pledged delegates - the math isn't there for him either. The winner is NOT the person with the most pledged delegates. The winner is first to get half the total number of delegates, and that includes the superdelegates. Neither Clinton not Obama will have that before the convention, so that's where it gets decided.

At this point, I'm assuming that will be Clinton. And I've changed my opinion on that in the last week. Between Rezco and now Wright, Obama is finished. He's ruined for the Presidency, probably for good. So, the only one left standing is Clinton, unless there's a brokered deal for Gore, somehow. (I don't actually see that as a real possibility either, but I can hope, no?)

R. Garrett

[Zhade]

20. Power, pure and simple.

NT!

[David Zephyr]

10. Memo to the Clintons: If we ignore the tally and choose someone else, as you suggest...

it would be Al Gore and certainly not you.

[Khaotic]

11. inconclusive?

WTF?



Obama is winning, nothing inconclusive about it.

The MSM is manufacturing a reality that does not exist.

Obama and Clinton are not deadlocked, neck-and-neck, or any other cliche.

In this race the checkered flag will soon come out and it won't be for Hillary, as she is more than lap behind but racing as if the manufactured reality were true.

[high density]

15. Remember those 30 states don't count.

Clinton's 14 states are the ones that matter.

[RiverStone]

18. The MSM is manufacturing a reality that does not exist....

Damn right Khaotic.

But how many people have taken the red pill vs the blue pill??? (see The Matrix).

[dchill]

13. Screw the rules!

I wanna be President!

[liberalcommontater]

16. Win in November

I don't really get the Clinton hatred. I think Hillary would give the Republicans fits as well as make much smarter choices than Bush. I am totally unimpressed with Obama and even suspect his campaign originated the "Clinton's as racists" meme. (check out http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/) A possibility I find far more damning than anything Clinton has done. But, should Obama get the nomination I will vote for him.

I would respectfully suggest two things. One, if Hillary gets the nomination, we need a Democrat in the White House and all Democrats should vote for her as well as the Democrats running for House and Senate. Two, supporters on both sides should prepare themselves to join with their primary opponents and in turn welcome those from the "losing" side as the party comes together to support the nominee. Whatever HRC or BHO may or may not have done during the primaries pales against the necessity of victory in November.

It must be a resounding victory and a clear repudiation of Republican misrule. It must be massive enough to swamp any possibility of vote fraud. There can be no doubt that the Democrat is the winner and that fraudulent results will not be accepted, period. Republican rule must end.

[Zhade]

21. Well, let's see... her race-baiting, lies, attempts to cheat, power- and fearmongering...

...need I go on?

[liberalcommontater]

26. Race baiting?

What race baiting? What Bill said in South Carolina??? I don't think he did anything of the sort. To say that Obama appeals to black voters is akin to saying Hillary appeals to women voters, yet this is not a sexist thing to say, is it?

[Capn Sunshine]

22. News for Clintons

The Superdelegates are DEMOCRATS first, and most are pragmatic and care about the party before the welfare of Hillary and Bill.

That said, most of them in this neck of the woods (West Coast) are committed to getting the candidate trailing at the end of the primaries to drop out, as long as there is a "substantial" margin of delegate lead.

The number representing "substantial" is actually known by all of us, certainly known by the Clintons. Why they are playing this out in the media is just preplexing, but that's the Clintons.

This is all coming to an end, soon.

[damntexdem]

24. Yeah, just like the rethugs prodded the SCOTUS to look beyond ...

actual vote counting in FL in 2000.

[liberalcommontater]

25. President Clinton or President Obama, Not President McCain

"while Republicans have begun to close ranks around Sen. John McCain for the fall campaign"

We need to rally behind our nominee, be it Obama or Clinton. Otherwise we are promoting McCain, just like a vote for Nader in 2000 gave us Bush. A Democrat victory is a victory for the country whether that victory is led by President Hillary Clinton or President Barak Obama.