Beijing admits Tibet violence has spread into China

[gristy]

Source: Euronews

Chinese state television has broadcast pictures of people arrested in Tibet after the violent protests against Beijing's rule. The prosecutor's office in Tibet's capital Lhasa said those arrested are accused of endangering national security, looting and arson, and would face harsh punishment.

China blames the Dalai Lama for orchestrating the violence. Beijing's response sparked international criticism, and cast a cloud over the build up to this summer's Olympic Games. This is the first official news of arrests; Tibetan exiles say hundreds more people were picked up in Tibet, and in neighbouring provinces of China.

Chinese soldiers have poured into Tibet to quell the rioting. Beijing says 13 people died in Lhasa, and the state-run news agency Xinhua says four protestors were shot and wounded by police in the neighbouring province of Sichuan.

Read more: http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=476214&lng=1

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On C-span today I saw a lot of footage of rioting in Lhasa. People being beaten and stabbed, police under siege (the report stated several times that the police never responded with lethal force), and homes and shops being burned.

More links:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=tibet+violence&btnG=Search+News
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/world/europe/20pope.html?ref=europe
http://voanews.com/english/2008-03-19-voa53.cfm
http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,26058,23406922-5014090,00.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4445777a6483.html

[Araxen]

1. They should have waited till the Olympics

We would see the sickening truth about China and maybe the Chinese people would feel free enough to finally rebel against the chinese goverment.

[barb162]

35. I like your idea but it may last that long anyway.

SADLY.

[rzemanfl]

2. It's going to be some interesting Olympics, better go to WalMart

and stock up on cheap Chinese shit.

[barb162]

34. You know, everywhere you go you can stock up on cheap Chinese

shit. Macy's, Bloomingdale's, it's everywhere.

[enid602]

3. overthrow

If the Chinese and Tibetans overthrow their government, does that mean we don't have to pay them back for all the debt? Should Cheney and Shrub call for regime change?

[darue]

7. if they did, they'd most likely start a war with us the next week

pray the Chinese people never do that.

[Kajsa]

4. We are getting very limited coverage-Action Link

of what is really happening there.

But brave souls are trying to get the word out, via the internet.

Here's an action link calling on China to begin talks with the Dalai Lama,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3036524&mesg_id=3036524

Thank you.

[Dogmudgeon]

5. This looks to be worse than 1989 (Tienanmen Square)

China appears to be in a state of lock-down. What we are getting probably being reported at grave risk to the lives of the journalists there.

--p!

[1monster]

6. I read the whole article, but don't see where the violence has spread into

China.

It is an interesting concept. I wonder what would happen if all of China rose up against the government. Would the military side with the people or with the government?

[Kajsa]

9. Here is a link from ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4486000

it's spreading to other areas in western China.

By GREG BAKER Associated Press Writer
ZHONGDIAN, China Mar 20, 2008 (AP)

China blanketed restive Tibetan areas Thursday with a huge buildup of troops,
turning small towns across a wide swath of western China into armed encampments.

[Ediacara]

18. I saw some clips on Headline News of protests in Tibetan communities in Gansu Province

[Cassius23]

40. From my understanding the answer is neither...

one of the things about China both historically and currently is that it has a very, very strong regional identity. I think that most likely what will happen is the various regions will tell everywhere else to piss off and we'll have a fragmentation until another Qin comes forward and reunites China again.

[Peace Patriot]

8. More than likely, the Chinese government provoked these protests and riots

by cracking down on Tibet, in ANTICIPATION of potential Tibetan protests at the Olympics, to head off such protests, but they simply unleashed massive anger built up by their occupation and oppression of Tibet.

They ought to get a clue from the Bush junta (not to mention our Democratic Party leaders at the 04 convention)--go ahead and let people protest all they want, and even do protest parades down main street Beijing, and march them all right into orange-caged off "free speech zones" way the hell in nowheresville, and let the games begin!

Protest all you want! We're deaf! And (just like here), we're not beholden to you rabble! We don't care what you think!

Really. The Chinese government acts like they KNOW they're doing something wrong in Tibet. Instead of learning a lesson from Bush and his enablers, and acting outside of any known moral code--with utter callousness--and slaughtering millions, and torturing, and brutalizing, and looting with abandon. What do protests matter to them? Nothing at all. They can even pretend that we have a democracy, by letting people protest, and then do whatever they damned please, cuz there ain't nothing we can do about it. Their pals own the voting machines with the secret code. Might as well have a Communist Central Committee running things, for all our votes are worth. But these communistic capitalists in China (talk about inscrutable!) act strangely moral--as if they actually have a code of ethics--when they suppress dissent, and crack down on Tibet, and ban journalists and cut off news. Bush don't care. Bring it on! Babies, children, the elderly blown to bits, by the tens of thousands. He's proud of it. And protests are no skin off his codpiece.

[Sonnenschein]

10. FYI, it was the tibetian thugs who were murdering and mugging civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

[Kajsa]

12. " Dalai Lama's puppet regime"?!?!?

WTH?- So the Dalai Lama is the " villian"?!?

Who/what is the source of the first video?

That's all I could stomach!

I can only imagine the second one-

China's answer to Rush Limbaugh.

[Sonnenschein]

13. Look at more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

[Kajsa]

14. I saw the last part of the clip

with the violence in the streets on ABC news.

It wasn't hidden.

The insinuation that Chinese government aggressions against the people
of Tibet are " fabricated" is ludicrous.

Again- what/who is the source of these " reputable" videos?

[Sonnenschein]

16. Those are the videos you see on CNN

[Kajsa]

19. And ABC.

I wasn't watching CNN.

[Kaleko]

20. On every thread about Tibet there are 1 or 2 obvious shills,

spouting the party line of the Chinese government. And not just on this site. Really, these hacks are busy commenting everywhere day and night.


They're as easy to recognize as Freepers:

Can't spell even the key words.

Use boastful, authoritarian language to mask ignore-ance of well-established facts.

Accuse targets of the crimes their masters are perpetrating.

[Kajsa]

21. Thank you, Kaleko.

I never could get a straight answer as to where these clips
came from.

You have substantiated my suspicions!

Thanks.
;)

[Sonnenschein]

24. Those clips are from U-tube. Isn't it not obvious?

[Kajsa]

25. Yes, I know that.

I'm questioning who made them.

[Sonnenschein]

28. How do I know who made them? I am not CIA.

[Kaleko]

29. Just goes to show how sensitive tyrants can get about their public image.

So much weakness comes with doing what you know is wrong and indefensible...

:hi:

[Sonnenschein]

30. You think this guy is a shill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90hPLnWA4hs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG21V-JwWYs

[Kaleko]

31. Disinformation.

You can stop posting these links now, Sonnenschein. Tibetan Buddhists have been brutally oppressed by Chinese communists for decades and are now being crushed by their invading army.

Sonnenschein means sunlight in German. Start living up to your name, man.

Help the forces of transparency and light to free Tibet, instead of making yourself a mouthpiece for the dark side.

[Sonnenschein]

32. It just shows how much you know about other countries. Open up your mind and learn, man!

It's our stupidity that allowed supporting the taliban in AG. Same thing with the Dalai Lama in Tibet.

[NickB79]

42. Taliban in Afghanistan = Dalai Lama in Tibet?!?

Are you fucking serious? :rofl:

[stimbox]

36. Have you read "Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth"

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

It gives the un-hollywoodized version of things.

Check it out.

[DLnyc]

38. Wow. Great read on the history of Tibet and China. Thanks! nt

[Sonnenschein]

39. Look at this video shot by a tourist

http://diewahrheittibet.spaces.live.com/

[OKthatsIT]

43. WOW, who do you work for? Related to the chinese ruling party?

The Tibetan People ARE SOVEREIGN. China NEVER had rights to their land. NEVER!

[Kajsa]

45. You nailed it, OKthatsIT.

The anti-Tibetan propaganda spread by a few on this thread
is a transparent attempt to discredit the people of Tibet.

It's at the point where I don't respond to
their posts and feed their troll like behavior.

Those of us who see it differently,
" don't know about other countries".

:eyes:

[phantom power]

11. I smell an Olympic boycott.

[OKthatsIT]

44. China systematically murders its own.

China should have been rejected for the Olympics.

AND, I would have expected the world to do the same had the US asked for games to be held here. WAR CRIMES.

[Sonnenschein]

15. Taliban of China

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG21V-JwWYs&feature=related

[Ediacara]

17. FYI, there was a Mw 7.2 earthquake today in western Tibet at about 730 PM EDT

http://earthquakes.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008pvcl.php#details

[Kajsa]

22. That's a big earthquake!

Where there any reports of damage
or injuries?

[Ediacara]

26. I have only found one very small news article

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/21/content_7831054.htm

The bad news: it's a big quake in an underdeveloped part of the world.

The good news: almost no one lives there.

That being said, I suspect it'll be some time before we hear anything about damages or casualties because of the remoteness of the area and the media crackdown due to protests.

[eppur_se_muova]

23. MAP from BBC ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3039137&mesg_id=3039137

[Anexio]

27. Nice move

....and in other news I'll admit that I am banning the Summer Olympics on NBC from my home.

[juno jones]

37. I'm with ya, Haven't watched olympics in years.

Google up the IOC (International Olympic Committee IIRC)sometime, if you're interested. There's some interesting characters running around behind the scenes of the games and some pretty weird politics.

I admire the concept of athletes from all nations coming together in a united spirit, but the olympics have been tainted with politics and profit for years.

[barb162]

33. It's looking VERY ugly.

Why they don't let Tibet be off on its own I don't get. The Tibetans want nothing to do with China as far as I can tell and they never did.

[Sonnenschein]

41. These are the talibans of China

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/15/tibet.china2