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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:39 AM
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Scientist Achieve Full Power Dense Coding With Superdense Photons
Source: DailyTech

Kwiat's team took advantage of a more complicated form of entanglement known as hyperentanglement. By hyperentangling photons, the team is able to cause the photons to become entangled in more ways than one, allowing for the full transmission of data and achievement of 2 bits sent per photon.

The achievement of superdense, 2 bit coding carried out by Kwiat, graduate student Julio Barreiro, and postdoctoral researcher Tzu-Chieh Wei (now at the University of Waterloo) described the results in a paper, which has been accepted for publication in the Nature Physics journal.

The new superdense coding relies on conveying both photon's "wiggle" polarization, and its "twisting", its orbital angular momentum. In order to do this, spontaneous parametric down conversion is performed on a pair of nonlinear crystals, creating this phenomenon of dual-parameter hyperentanglement. Data is then transferred from one photon to the other by changing the polarization by applying birefringent phase shifts utilizing liquid crystals.

Read more: http://www.dailytech.com/Scientist+Achieve+Full+Power+Dense+Coding+With+Superdense+Photons/article11237.htm



Somewhat headache inducing but fascinating nonetheless.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:45 AM
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1. Sounds facinating...But what is this about.? Communication?
Any scientists/smart person out there care to lend an opinion on this?
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:54 AM
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6. It is ultimately leading to extremely fast and powerful computers.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:31 PM
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41. Like Cylons?? nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:45 AM
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2. When can I order my superdense photon cluster from small dog electronics? n/t
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:45 AM
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3. This bizarre coupling can link two photons, even if they are located on opposite sides of the galaxy
Sounds like remote viewing. Does Art Bell know about this?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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8. It's ok, it's just information
No mass is travelling faster than light, just information. Which is totally wild.

I've been waiting for a quantum modem since I first heard about this concept.

It means we could have zero-latency remote-control probes exploring other worlds.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:26 PM
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30. Shit yeah! Nonlocality!
I've been waiting for this too! It's not so much about the speed of the computers (though probably that too) as the speed of the network. Instantaneous data transmission at any distance. Einstein called it "spooky action at a distance" and I'm not sure if he ever accepted it.

My understanding (and I'm far from a physicist, I have trouble balancing a checkbook) is that it goes like this. Photons (and I believe electrons) each have a measurable spin, in that they're, you know, spinning. They may spin quite oddly, but they're spinning and we can tell which way, ummm, somehow.

But when you create an entangled pair of particles, they spin completely opposite to each other. They will always maintain a net sum of no spin. Change the spin of one, and it is immediately reflected in the other. And by immediately, I mean instantaneously. Regardless of distance. The particles could be on opposite sides of the universe, but they would still maintain their opposite spins with no delay. Which means faster than light transmission of information. This is what blew Einstein's mind (and it blows the shit out of mine too).

So once you know about nonlocality, it's a simple jump to imagine an array of photons at location A and their entangled pairs at location B somewhere near Alpha Centauri. If a certain direction of spin represents 0, and another direction of spin represents 1, then you have a binary digit. By changing the spin at one location, the spin will change at the other, and you've got instantaneous digital data transmission over even interstellar distances.

Further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlocality
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:20 PM
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34. You can buy appliances that use this tech now.
They are essentially guaranteeing the security and integrity of the key exchange over secured data fiber optics.

The "rest" of the traffic between these devices travel over the normal frame relays and leased lines. But banks and telco's can essentially be more secure about how they securely communicate between two nodes using this technology.

As I understand these quantum crypto devices to work, they are only using the nonlocality for the key exchange and that in turn makes it more difficult to compromise key integrity for secure data exchanged over the secure fiber optic physical segment.

Thats what's kind of neat about this tech, you can buy it now, and have been able to for a few years.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:10 PM
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38. I never even considered the security aspects
But man, they're pretty profound. There's really nowhere to intercept that, is there? The data exists at both end points and nowhere in between.

That is completely freaking awesome!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:36 AM
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44. It allows for great control over information. .
And since knowledge is power, there is room for abuse.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:12 PM
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49. Well, the early adopters of all new technologies are the military and pornographers
I'm sure there's Freudian implications in that, but eventually the benefits do trickle down to society. We do have the defense department to thank for this here series of tubes.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:25 PM
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37. Hell I've love to have a zero-latency internet connection...
Hughes net....sucks but not as much as dial-up.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:25 PM
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22. Sounds like David Bohm.
It's good to see that one of Bohm's most important ideas - superconnectivity - is getting beyond theory and Buddhist cosmology and into test labs.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:46 AM
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4. If it's not a 64 bit photon, I don't want it.
Seriously though, that's amazing. 2 bits per photon? Wow.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:31 PM
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23. Just don't let Microsoft get a hold of the technology.
The universe would implode, and we'd be waiting forever for the service pack release.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:50 AM
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5. So, what does this mean... super energy?...possible warp speed?
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:01 AM
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7. Neh, not yet.
But it will make optical data transmission appear closer.

If scientists succeed in encoding single photons with a significant number of data transferable bits, it might make computers so much faster, you'd have to chase it down the street!
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:18 AM
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9. DNA
I remember reading some years ago an article about someone at MIT working on a DNA based computer.Has anyone ever heard what became of those efforts?At the time it was estimated that one pound of DNA would be more powerful than all the computers in existence.The same article also mentioned photon based technology leading to faster computing and the possibility of complex thought by eliminatingthe linear limitations of circuit boards.Does this mean HAL is just around the corner?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:48 AM
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42. Come on now...
Warp speed is not a possibility in the near future. According to Einsteins theory of relativity, the closer you get to the speed of light, the heavier you get. And a object with mass can not travel faster or at the speed of light.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:56 AM
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45. Left wing mumbo jumbo. I don't move round much in winter an I gets heavier
so this light speed increase in mass garbage cain't be true. 'Sides, universe is only 6000 years old, so nothin could be further than 6000 light years away...
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:21 AM
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10. In the Ender series of book, Orson Scott Card writes about the Ansible
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:23 AM
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11. I really have to read those books.
I'm always hearing about them and I'm too lazy to pick one up.
Hopefully I'll get on it.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:32 AM
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12. A great writer and they are awesome books
but his politics drive me absolutely bonkers. He's a self described "moderate", but comes off as a republican hit man.

I have several different versions of his Enterverse books (both print and audio), even though I dislike his Democrat hate spewing... love the art, not the artist. :D :D :D
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:59 PM
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48. He's a homophobe AND a terrible writer. Ender's Game is the only decent book he's written.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 01:00 PM by Zhade
It all goes downhill from there.

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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:11 PM
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47. Sure, if you enjoy reading right-wing asshole authors
n/t
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:38 AM
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13. LeGuin coined the word "ansible"
Long before Card was writing.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:48 PM
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35. heheh and Card acknowledges that in the story...
from the wiki entry linked above-

Ansible

See also: Ansible

"The official name is Philotic Parallax Instantaneous Communicator," explains Colonel Graff in Ender's Game, "but somebody dredged the name ansible out of an old book somewhere".<1> His description of ansible functions in Xenocide involve a fictional subatomic particle, the philote, and contradicts not only standard physical theory but the results of empirical particle accelerator experiments. In the "Enderverse", the two quarks inside a pi meson can be separated by an arbitrary distance while remaining connected by "philotic rays". This is similar in concept to quantum teleportation due to entanglement, although even that is not capable of faster-than-light communication. Also, in the real world, quark confinement prevents one from separating quarks by more than microscopic distances.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:44 AM
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14. Quantum computers and the ancillary developments they may bring
when one packet of info can be delivered without data loss to the other side of the galaxy. Soon we will be all twisted up in figureing out what information is, on a philosophical basis.
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:48 AM
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15. "what information is, on a philosophical basis"
We are information.
:)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:50 AM
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17. egg-zactly
as the ovary said to the neuron
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:29 PM
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31. Baa,
agreed the Zy-goat
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:24 PM
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39. Bateson: "Information is news of a difference."
Gregory Bateson, "Steps to an Ecology of Mind" chapter "Form, Substance and Difference."
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:50 AM
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16. What the hell is a "nonlinear crystal"? Isn't a crystal by definition made up of angular components
Cool article, but I get lost around the "parametric down conversion...performed on a pair of nonlinear crystals" bit.

J
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:51 AM
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18. Best I could do.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:52 AM
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19. I think we are talking about helical constructions
rather than the cubical kind
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:55 AM
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20. This particular crystal supports that claim.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:31 PM
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24. thanks--after I posted I realized there are so many other crystallline forms
besides the marching lines of carbon and salt crystals they could be referring to--but the "twisting and tangling" the article keeps talking about is so suggestive of DNA style helixes etc. just took a wild guess.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 PM
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21. Thanks to you both. If I'm reading correctly, the nonlinear refers to the refractive properties...
...and not necessarily to the structure, though this appears to be an important factor in "nonlinearity".

Very interesting stuff.

Everytime I hear about crystal/information/energy work, I think of the glowing blue crystals in that stinker Keanu Reeves Sci-Fi/Intrigue movie, "Chain Reaction." :)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:32 PM
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25. Does this mean that all of humanity will now be saved and mankind
...will forever be free of want and disease and despair? :yoiks:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:34 PM
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26. no--but that room full of books that fall apart when you touch them
in the distant future? Will have a lot more knowledge in it we will never get around to being able to use.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:44 PM
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27. I think the same team of scientists must have worked on this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1LHejil6M


Personally, I'll wait out the war between Blu Quark™ and HD-Photon™ until one side prevails.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:59 PM
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28. Reverse the polarity, Geordi! The tachyon particles are causing the warp field to collpase!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:08 PM
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29. Everybody needs reverse polarity
nt
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:55 PM
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50. Hmm. I have mixed feelings...
...About the function and the form.
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pdefalla Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:41 PM
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32. This explains a lot
It's obvious that there is a dual-parameter hyperentanglement between Haliburton and the Bush administration.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:10 PM
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33. Sounds like some sort of temporal anomaly caused when the warp
field containment generators went off-line. Somehow this resulted in a sub-space phase shifting. to which Picard replied,

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:11 PM
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36. Super-duper encryption coming soon
If I recall, this is the sort of technology that is necessary for the ultimate in data security, as someone mentioned upthread.

Course, then some quantum hackers will come along...
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:05 PM
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40. already here
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:50 AM
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43. Ahhh but that may not be possible......
When they grab the information, it gets destroyed. Which means it would have to be recreated.


Ofcourse nothing is impossible, just very hard.... :)
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:02 AM
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46. But if you can intercept AND establish a new connection to the receiver
you could retransmitt what you receive from the tranmitter, while making a copy for yourself.
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