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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:47 PM
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Southern Dem warns party to avert disaster
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 09:52 PM by ckramer
Source: yn

Democrats are increasingly nervous about their party’s protracted nomination fight, and some prominent figures are publicly warning that the party needs to act fast to avoid disaster.

Chief among these voices is Phil Bredesen, the two-term governor of Tennessee who is uncommitted to either Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

In an interview this week with Politico, Bredesen said flatly that if the contentious slog continues until the Democrats’ late-August convention in Denver, the party would have a vastly diminished chance of recapturing the White House.

“They have a much steeper, rockier hill to climb if it goes to the convention,” the governor said over a dinner of rockfish and red wine. “You’re going to spend this whole summer — and lots of money and time and effort — trying to convince people that whoever isn’t eventually nominated, isn’t electable.

Bredesen also joined House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in warning that superdelegates should not overturn the outcome from primaries and caucuses.

If Obama were denied the nomination by Democratic insiders after winning the party’s popular vote, Bredesen said, “There would be hell to pay in the party for a long time to come.”

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080326/pl_politico/9217



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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:49 PM
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1. party is making hillary stay in to make sure that they take the dive
to get mccain in.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:44 PM
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15. makes you wonder
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:51 PM
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2. Stop the Troll War! nt
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:05 AM
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13. Shhhh... don't tell the truth..
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:53 PM
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3. Hillary please quit
if you don't want another 8 years of Republican rule.

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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:57 PM
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4. The 8 years of Repuke rule might be tolerable...BUT
the half-century of a packed, radical conservative, Repuke Supreme Court is the tragedy we need to avert at any cost.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:33 PM
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5. here we go.
the pressure is going to start mounting. come on dem leaders apply the pressure. this fight is over, let's begin the real fight. mccain is doing all types of weird f____ ups. we should be decimating him by now.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:38 AM
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6. Bredesen needs to endorse Obama NOW
as does Pelosi and Gore and the rest of the party leadership

he has earned it


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:02 AM
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7. Gore, Edwards, Pelosi, and several other prominent types like that Gov.
need to back Obama on the same day to just make it so obvious it's time for her to stop this charade.

I hope they do it on Monday - at least 3 prominent people - we need this over now.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:09 AM
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8. Gore would not join a group attempting to short circuit the process.
Remember "every vote should be counted."
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hifalutin Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:35 AM
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9. But not if
you live in Forida or Michigan.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:39 AM
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12. Too bad in 2000 Gore didn't win either Tenn or Ark
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 04:39 AM by saigon68
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:51 PM
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19. ana
that does not pertain to the nominating process, that pertains to a state's votes cast in any given election - in the nominating process there comes a point when you're hurting your party and playing such dirty politics that you are laughable to most people involved, and you don't go on as if each state's votes really count - when in this case, they do not really count - Obama has won mathetmatically, the polls do not show her even remotely beating him large enough to circumvent his getting the nomination - and she's not going to persuade the supers to go against the people's votes and choose her - that's why Richardson backed Obama, and more will follow this week.

Sorry, and I do mean that, but the Clintons have become laughable. I recall some of the Obama supporters camp demanding Edwards get out a few weeks before he did, and he still had a shot depending on what happened on Feb 5th, Hillary does not have a legitimate shot anymore - that time came and went when Obama reeled off 10 wins in a row. She is causing a mess and highly damaging her reputation for any future run. In fact, I think this is IT for her, thus the gutter politics. Just my opinion, I respect you have yours.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:07 AM
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10. Bredesen is DLC
Bredesen is DLC and they are the ones keeping Hilary in this race. They want Dean out so they can control the Party with their Corporatist office-holders. Hilary is the DLC Queen Lady, there to serve the Corporations, not the American people.
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WTyler Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:36 AM
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11. Even more damning
The DLC are Clinton's people through and through. The fact that a DLC Dem from a state that borders Arkansas is talking like that shows how much support Hillary has lost within the party.
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rmgarrette64 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:01 PM
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16. How has he 'earned' it?
He hasn't won the nomination yet. Neither candidate will have won the nomination until after the superdelegates vote. Neither of them has earned it until or unless they win.

I'd also argue that Obama is showing himself to be fairly weak in states he'll need to win in the general (Florida, Pennsylvania, for instance.) With the brouhaha around Rev. Wright, he's facing his first big media scandal, and handling it badly. Do you really think he won't face any more during the general election? That's just not how things work.

Clinton carries her own weaknesses, to be sure. That's why we have primaries. And this one will go to the end.

R. Garrett
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:43 PM
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17. he's ahead in votes and in delegates
there is NO way that Hill can come back and win the nomination short of Obama being caught with his pants down, literally and figuratively

if she cares anything about the party and the direction of this country, she'll drop out and endorse Obama without any hesitation and go out and work for his election

but I don't think that she and Bill care about anything but their own ambition so I think they'll be more than happy to hang the party out to dry and do their damnedest to subject this country of 4 more years of failed republican policies


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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:52 PM
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18. Some folks need to stay neutral.
No one who favors either candidate will be able to do much at the end.

The Clintons will not back down easily, if at all.

Ganging up on them publicly will only make them hang on longer. You cannot bully them.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:46 AM
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14. “There would be hell to pay in the party for a long time to come.” kiss the new democrats goodbye
the ones that won't be dieing before the next several election cycles
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:18 AM
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20. He's wrong. The rules say all the primaries vote. That's known
and agreed to by everyone in the party. After that, the convention selects the best candidate. Simple rules. Those who want to impose a solution by force probably also bragged about the trains running on time, right?

Democracy is messy. And by the way, if you think these two candidates have slung anything yet, wait til the GE. Willie Horton, little girls killed by atom bombs, and even worse. Better toughen up now. No stomach for a fight? Quit. That's a rule, too.
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