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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:58 PM
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Brazil Lula defends biofuels from growing criticism
Source: Reuters

BRASILIA, April 16 (Reuters) - President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva defended Brazil's production of biofuels on Wednesday, rejecting criticism they are furthering a surge in global food prices and harming the environment.

"Don't tell me, for the love of God, that food is expensive because of biodiesel. Food is expensive because the world wasn't prepared to see millions of Chinese, Indians, Africans, Brazilians and Latin Americans eat," Lula told reporters before speaking at a conference of the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in Brasilia.

"We want to discuss this not with passion but rationality and not from the European point of view," Lula said.

Lula's comments follow a week of criticism and protests in Europe and Brazil against fuels derived from food crops and their supposed environmental and social benefits.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N16336444.htm
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:11 PM
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1. doesn't Brazil turn waste from sugar harvest (leaves, roots etc) into fuel?
some of that can be turned into molasses, maybe, but food might be stretching it...

Where is hemp in this discussion> Organic matter unlikey to be turned into food should be fair game for fule use, although it's still expensive to make. let's go for methane plants from shit farms. Much cheaper, and NOT food.
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robbibaba Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:00 PM
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2. Algae algae algae algae...did I mention algae?
Biodiesel should be made from algae. Instead of 56 gallons an acre they can get 33,000 gallons an acre and use non-productive land and non-potable water. There are a number of start-ups producing already and getting ready to scale up!
As far as ethanol goes, it seems like more investment is needed in cellulose processing technology.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:59 PM
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5. All true - but Lula is correct the corn disaster is not the same as using sugar
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:47 PM
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3. Hemp, hemp, hemp...did I mention HEMP?
fastest growing plant, several crops a year...what's the problem, people?
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:15 PM
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10. I'd bet robibobba is right
Algae grows quite a bit faster than even hemp, and all of it can be used for fuel, also no cellulose.

Not that we can't also use hemp, diversity is good. ^_^
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:52 PM
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4. What they're doing there is horrible
In National Geographic there is a picture of large swath of former rain forest, now largely denuded and planted with a fuel crop.

Here it is, (from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080124-AP-brazil-amaz.html):



A photo shows rain forest in the Brazil cleared for cattle grazing and soy crop production.

A new report says that Amazon deforestation jumped in the last five months of 2007, prompting Brazilian officials to hold emergency meetings to help curb the problem.

Photo by Alex Webb/NGS
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:00 PM
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6. Who is using soy for fuel? - but basic point about Forest is spot on.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:57 AM
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7. Soybeans are the primary source of biodiesel. nt
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:20 PM
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8. Well, at least the Brazilians make ethanol from sugar.
But that land COULD be devoted to other crops.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:20 PM
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9. The problem is not what's sensible--it's who owns the land.
This is the problem in Colombia, in Paraguay and wherever food production is being converted to agrofuel production--by the likes of Monsanto. This is what the U.S.-Bush "war on drugs" is mostly about in Colombia--driving the small peasant farmers (the best food producers--who may also grow a few coca leaf plants for local use, as they have done for thousands of year), off the land--and into urban squalor--for quick profits for the rich by major drug dealers, and then conversion to corporate agrofuel production. Small peasant farmers often don't have title to the land they've farmed for generations. This is one of the problems in Paraguay, where, as in so many other Latin American countries, the real food producers--the peasant farmers, and other small farmers--are being pushed off the land, for big agrofuel production (in Paraguay it's soy). This is a NUTSO policy driven by greed--the greed of local rich landowners, who stole their land from indigenous farmers to begin with, and are often fascist in their views, and by global corporate predators (monster fascists, unaccountable to anyone). In Lulu's case, it's very short term thinking. He is a former steelworker, with social justice views, and a good friend and ally of Hugo Chavez. His intentions are not bad. And he has a huge country with a huge, very poor population to worry about. He's thinking short-term riches for Brazil, and jobs-jobs-jobs. It's the timber industry syndrome--cut down the forests for jobs! Democrats in this country have fallen for it time and again. One of the most liberal governors of California, for instance--Edmund G. Brown, Sr.--back in the 1960s, presided over the worst environmental destruction of the old growth redwood forest that we have ever seen. Jobs, jobs, jobs! Keep the economy boiling. Share the wealth, yeah--but the future be damned.

Well, now we're really up against it. Deforestation is one of the leading contributors to global warming. We've seen loss of, or serious damage to, 80% of the world's forests over the last century. The World Wildlife Fund gives us 50 years, at present levels of consumption and pollution--50 years to the DEATH of the planet!

It's very, very difficult to expect a third world country--with a vast poor population like Brazil--to bear a significant burden for solving global warming. It is extremely unfair. The U.S. is contributing 25% (!) of global warming pollutants, and is doing absolutely nothing about it--neither curbing carbon emissions, nor planting trees, nor stopping the logging of forests and use of wood for building. Our behavior is DISGRACEFUL. The EU may have a little more credibility in criticizing Brazil--since they are signatories to Kyoto00although their rich class and global financiers continue to plunder and exploit in South America. But we have NO credibility. The burden should be on US, not Brazil!

That said, the reality of the situation is that Brazil has one of the last in-tact virgin forests on earth. To convert any more of the Amazon forest to ag uses is a great environmental crime--and to do it for agrofuels is unconscionable. I can see how a politician could consider the Amazon a resource for bootstrapping the poor, but, even in that regard, it is a great mistake, because, long term, it will destroy the food chain itself (with pesticides and corporate monoculture) as well as destroying the food PRODUCERS--driving them from the land, causing a loss of skills, forcing them into cities where they can't easily grow food.

Lulu was warned--by the huge campesino movement (peasant farmers) and by numerous environmental and human rights groups. It is bad use of the land--bad, bad, BAD. He's doing it for money (corporate investment) and for jobs (in a circular firing squad--destroying food production jobs, on the one hand, and creating short-term corporate ag jobs, on the other--the latter with serious health hazards). There is a third way, but it is politically difficult--especially with cities filled with millions of very poor people. It involves visionary "green" thinking about cities, and about poverty. "Greening" poor neighborhoods, public transportation, organic fuel production--perhaps in small plots all over urban areas (marijuana would be ideal)--and multiple creative problem solving--"out of the box" thinking--aimed at transforming both society and the economy to true sustainability. True sustainability does not include poverty. It means distributing resources and wealth EQUITABLY. It means that no one can acquire excessive wealth, and everyone has the basics and a good life. It means TAXING corporations for the TRUE costs of their activity. It means a lot of commonly owned resources and enterprises.

The industrial model followed, historically, by the U.S., England and Europe--and that China is madly pursuing--is SUICIDE for the human race. But I guess we will not get off that suicidal path except by pressure from "below." Our politicians have proven incapable of leadership on this all-important matter. And even a leftist like Lulu is lured by the quickest path to wealth--true throughout history, all over the planet--cut down the trees.
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