Conventions reveal divided Dems

[FlyingSquirrel]

Source: Detroit Free Press

Democratic conventions across the state on Saturday revealed a partisan divide that may signal a fissure in the party's ability to unite behind the Democratic candidate for president in November.

There were clashes between young and old, black and white, longtime party activists -- many tied to organized labor -- and the newly minted Democrats who have gotten involved in politics because of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

In the end, supporters of Obama won half of the 36 Uncommitted delegate seats, while union-backed candidates won the rest. It was a bitter pill for the new Democrats, who felt that all 36 slots should go to true-blue Obama fans.

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Although most of the Uncommitted delegates said they would support Obama, there is suspicion that many of those not endorsed by the Obama group actually support New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

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Ugh.

[MindPilot]

1. Well, duh.

If I don't support Clinton, I'm sexist. If I don't support Obama that makes me racist.

Can't I just choose a candidate based on their positions on the issues and whether or not I think they would make a good president?:banghead:

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[acmavm]

3. No, Obama should quit. Everyone knew Hils was gonna run. Barrie said

he wasn't going to run. So, since he began the candidacy with a lie, he should go.

I can't stand either one. I hope there's a brokered convention and they both go away.

[zalinda]

4. I second that. n/t

[Bill Thompson]

5. Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Will Not Be The Democratic Nominee for President

When Bill Clinton came to Microsoft to give a speech, he was received warmly by a crowd who were impressed by his wisdom and his view of a better, more helpful and compassionate world. People naturally are drawn to and appreciate an intelligent, well-spoken person who can think on their feet. He touched on a lot of issues and he had a lot of great one-liners in dealing with world events such as "Osama bin Laden likes technology just like the west likes technology. But bin Laden likes it exclusively and the west likes it inclusively". While the crowd was left pondering this gem, Clinton would either throw out either another line of insight, or a line of wisdom or a line of encouragement. This left the group constantly intrigued and mentally stimulated.

There was a question-and-answer period at the end of this speech and Clinton answered each with detail and precision. One woman asked if he could hold a Cabinet position in a Hillary presidency. Specifically, I believe she asked if he could be secretary of state.

The former president said, "That is a good question. The answer is no." And then he explained that a law was passed – I believe during the Lyndon Johnson administration – that said an immediate family member of the president can not be in the cabinet. This had something do to with Bobby Kennedy being in John Kennedy's Cabinet and a president can not or should not have to fire a family member. President Clinton went on to say that he thought that this was actually a very good idea.

This makes me wonder because Hillary was in charge of revamping the Health Care system during Bill Clinton's presidency. But on the other hand, this really was not a position of power.

(#1) A Hillary Clinton Presidency will not Mirror the Years of the Bill Clinton Presidency
This leads me to the first reason why Hillary Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee for president.

I always suspected that the only reason why many people liked Hillary Clinton was because of the run-off charisma from her husband. When I first noticed her surfacing as a candidate for president, I was at a loss as to why so many people liked her and they seemed to like her very much. I went to several liberal and progressive web forums. They seemed to be upset by my just asking the question as if I was questioning some divine prophecy. Trying to get into the heads and understanding how liberals think is often difficult. Ann Coulter might be wrong about a lot of things, but one thing I think she gets right is that Liberalism is like a church. You can not question the divine doctrine or those who are appointed the Pope of the Church of Liberalism – doing so will get you banished from the Progressive web forums.

Regardless, without any other reason for supposing why people liked Hillary, I was left with only the name recognition and the face recognition and their subconscious appreciation of happier times. When all possible reasons are discounted, the only reason left, no matter how improbable, is the only possible explanation.

My suspicions were confirmed by several people who would openly admit "I miss Bill" when I am talking about having a president Hillary.

Well, it is time for me to officially burst this bubble. As Bill Clinton said himself, he can not be placed into any real position of power in a Hillary presidency.

So now ask yourself this. If you could erase Bill Clinton from the picture – if you could remove the association between Bill and Hillary, would you still be excited about Hillary Clinton being president?

You might tell yourself that since Hillary seemed to be a powerful player when Bill was president, it might work the other way. It would not. The two have very different personalities and ideologies and interpersonal skills and management styles. Bill is a charismatic intellectual while Hillary is a driven, ambitious and power-hungry leftist ideologue. Switch the seats of power and you have a very different administration and, as a result, a more troubling future for our country.

Being the wife of Bill Clinton should not be a reason why you would want to support Hillary. A Hillary Clinton Presidency will not be any way like the Bill Clinton Presidency.

[Winterblues]

6. I don't buy it

They are a very tight couple. They run everything by each other. bill never made a decision about anything without consulting with Hillary first and the same would be true with a Hillary Presidency. I know of no real couple that have been married as long as the Clintons that don't share everything..To say Bill would be excluded from all decision making is just plain naive IMO.

[Peace Patriot]

7. Conventions reveal Democrats in lively and heated debate over who best represents them

Conventions reveal Democrats in lively and heated debate over who best represents them

Source: Peace Patriot Press

Democratic conventions across the state on Saturday revealed a lively and heated debate over candidates and issues that may signal a rebirth of political activism in the Democratic Party and a rebirth of American democracy, long considered to be dead due to stolen elections, corporate lobbying and war. The convention debates bode well for a real election in November, with important issues out in the open rather than buried in clouds of corporate media trivia, as usual.

There were lively exchanges between young and old, black and white, longtime party activists -- many tied to organized labor -- and the newly minted Democrats who have gotten involved in politics because of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. The Obama supporters are challenging "business as usual" in the Democratic Party, which ultimately benefits us all, since the country is engaged in the massive carnage of an unjust war once again, and faces Great Depression II from the massive thievery and malfeasance of those in power. "Business as usual" ain't gonna fix it.

In the end, supporters of Obama won half of the 36 Uncommitted delegate seats, while union-backed candidates won the rest. It was a tough lesson for the impassioned new Democrats, who feel great urgency about the country's problems, and believe that their candidate is the best agent for change. The old Democrats, who back Hillary Clinton, feel understandable wariness at all these news faces, and don't want to be excluded from what promises to be "the year of the Democrats." We haven't seen this kind of political contest in the country in many moons, but political history clearly shows that, for all the ferocity of Democratic nomination fights--and there have been many a bruising battle over the decades--the party will pull together in the end, and everyone will do their part to gain victory in November.

This is what democracy looks like, folks! Remember?

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Although most of the Uncommitted delegates said they would support Obama, there is suspicion that many of those not endorsed by the Obama group actually support New York Sen. Hillary Clinton. Typical nomination campaign paranoia, suspicion, resentment, in-fighting and territorial disputes aside, the American people will be the winners in November, by having at least one fully vetted candidate for president, who has weathered the primary wars, and whose strengths and weaknesses are fully known. Pity the Republicans, whose fatcat insiders crown their nominiee without a fight. That's what fascism looks like. And it works well with rigged voting machines, and Bushbot U.S. Attorneys. That's not democracy, folks. Democracy is not boring. Remember?

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