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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:54 AM
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Pakistani Taliban chief pulls out of peace talks
Source: Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A Pakistani Taliban commander pulled out of a peace deal with the government after it refused to withdraw the army from tribal lands on the Afghan border, the militant's spokesman said on Monday.

Tribal elders in Pakistan's South Waziristan region have been trying to broker a peace deal between the government and Baitullah Mehsud, an al Qaeda ally who leads the Taliban in Pakistan.

Mehsud has been accused of being behind a wave of suicide attacks that have rocked Pakistan since mid-2007, including one that killed former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in December.

"Our chief Baitullah Mehsud has announced the end of the dialogue process about an hour ago after tribal elders informed us that government is unwilling to pull out troops from Waziristan and other areas," Maulvi Omar, a spokesman for the Tehrik-e-Taliban (Movement of Taliban), told Reuters by telephone.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080428/wl_nm/pakistan_militant_dc_1
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:47 AM
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1. They should be wiped off the planet
They should never even hold power of any form in any country ever again. Their treatment of women is worse then any other group on the planet.


From the RAWA site:


http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm

Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only"). But women are forbidden from traveling without a male escort so there is no use for female buses.

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.

- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.

- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.

- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.

- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.

- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.

- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.

- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.

- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is "un-Islamic" according to Taliban.

- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.

- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.

- All boy students must wear turbans. They say "No turban, no education".

- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.

- Banned the use of the internet by both ordinary Afghans and foreigners.

And so on...
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:52 AM
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2. Not much different
than Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan or numerous other countries. Or for that matter Mormons and various other groups in North America.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:14 AM
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3. They go to extremes even for those places
Life is worse then hell for those women.

es, there are many places women are oppressed and enslaved, but there is a special place in hell (figuratively) for the Taliban. They are a breed of monster all their own.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:28 AM
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4. Only in details
The Taliban aren't unique, I'm afraid. And only women can change the attitude. Whether they choose to or not is another matter.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:32 AM
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5. How will the women change the attitude
They don't even have the most basic of rights.

I am not being snarky, I just would like to know how you would suggest the women fight against these thugs.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM
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6. Taliban are Fundamentalist extremes. How can we help women&men change the attitude?
I think men who aren't Taliban are also responsible, not leaving it entirely up to the women. Although I guess if all the women uprose and were killed, that might make a difference.

How can the women, or the men, change the situation? Serious question. As with Fundie groups in the rest of the world, how can change happen or be forced on them?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:02 PM
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7. The Taliban also demanded the country drop its sectarian ways.
Seeing how they lost in a landslide during the elections, they figured they should have sharia imposed in the badlands....as a case study.

LOL

then if your not "lawful" enough in your beliefs. They turn on their own


Indonesians torch Muslim sect's mosque
By NINIEK KARMINI | Monday, Apr 28 2008 3:54 AM
Last Updated: Monday, Apr 28 2008 3:54 AM

Hundreds of protesters chanting "Kill, kill" set fire Monday to an Indonesian mosque belonging to a Muslim sect they claim is heretical, police said.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7370650.stm

And they didn't even draw any funny cartoons
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:21 PM
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8. Taliban execute ‘outlaw’ in public
GHALANAI, April 27: A man was executed in public by Taliban militants in the Rahim Korona area of the Mohmand Agency on Sunday.

The Taliban had sentenced Zaiver Khan to death after finding him guilty of hijacking vehicles and killing a number of people.

After the execution, the death toll in the ongoing clashes between the local militants and tribesmen rose to 13.

Three militants, three children and a woman were among the dead.

Local people said the militants had set on fire houses of several people belonging to the Dadukhel tribe and kidnapped six tribesmen.Over 1,000 militants with heavy weapons mounted on trucks besieged a locality near Michni and carried out house-to-house searches for alleged criminals.

Militants’ spokesman Maulvi Umar told journalists that the Taliban from Khyber and Bajaur agencies had also taken part in the clashes.

The execution was carried out in a field where a large number of militants had gathered around.

They brought the blind-folded man and, according to witnesses, a militant pointed his AK-47 rifle at his head and fired a shot as others raised the slogans of “Long Live Taliban”.

When he fell on the ground militants started dragging his body around.

Maulvi Umar said one Taliban fighter had been killed on Saturday.

He claimed that they were fighting with people who were involved in kidnapping and other anti-social activities.

Lower Mohmand’s assistant political agent Shahidullah Khan told journalists that clashes had stopped and there was calm in the area.

He said that a jirga had failed to resolve the issue through negotiations


http://dawn.com/2008/04/28/top3.htm

Looks like the Pakistan badlands code of the west justice back up and running as it should be.
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