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flowomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 01:54 PM Original message |
Pa. senator says slavery would pass in a secret ballot |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hopefully he was being sarcastic... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I don't think so. K&R |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. I fear that there is a lot of truth in that statement |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. How about if white middle-aged Republicans are enslaved? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
103. aren't they already? |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Closet? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Vincent Fumo? |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. he's not joking at all |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #78 |
108. That is BS... |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Good for him! Someone needs to slap these "Christian" bigots |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
77. Christian bigots and slavery? |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
101. there were also Christians who used the bible to justify slavery. n/t |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:53 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. the country was founded by slave-owning christians |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. You forget that PA was founded by abolitionist Quakers |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I know better than you think, and Wm. Penn owned Slaves. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I knew there was a brief period when the first Quakers owned slaves... |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. It's all good |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #77 |
117. Christians are not a homogenous entity. There are all kinds. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. He made a very good point. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yes. Constitutions, state or federal, were never intended as ways |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. personally, I would like to own some neocon Repigs |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. oh, oh, can I own Cheney? |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. LOLOL I was thinking along the same lines... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. I'd like to see Rummy mowing my lawn |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. He's right. On a secret ballot, it WOULD pass. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I live here, I know, a lot of PA is racist. |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. When I traveled there, I was amazed by the number of confederate flags. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
73. I see that in Ohio too |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. ...which makes Obama's closing of the gap and narrow loss all the more impressive. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
63. Absolutely! |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. I find that extremely sad - this state once was a strong base for the |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Wow. K&R nt |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good man, that. And he's right - slavery *would* pass, if the voting were secret |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Slavery |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. From the standpoint of the owning class, there were good reasons for slavery to be based on race |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. yeah, why would they want all the externalities of owning a slave? |
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heliarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. Good to see a representative with balls on this issue. nt |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. Brava!, Senator Fumo! |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Um... that would be Bravo |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Not in Italian. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I thought 'bravo' was the masculine form |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. You're right. |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Not a huge deal but that was my point. Thanks. (EOM) |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. You're point was idiotic. You cannot legitimately equate slavery with homophobia. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Speaking of "idiotic": what the fuck are you even talking about? Replying to imaginary posts? |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Um...obviously, you can't distinguish between "you're" and "your" |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
109. WTF are you talking about? |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. Slavery |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
85. Hear, hear! |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. British philosopher |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #100 |
116. So right! Conscripted slavery has been replaced with "volunteer" slavery. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
17. This bill is an electoral maneuver. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. if it were a secret ballot in congress 95% republican and 50% dems-- thats how fucked they are |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. 145%???? Now those are Diebold numbers... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. hell, i'd be scared what congress would approve with a completely closed ballot |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
21. Pennsylvania sure as hell isn't the only place that could happen. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. They "would pass a bill to legalize slavery" F'g A! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. I lived in Central PA for many years |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Hell I came from Perry County |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Gilbert Coleman: Black preacher with this attitude: "I got mine, fuck the faggots" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. pretty much |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I know there are black Republicans...and there are gay Republicans, but |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Yeah, at least three Black, gay, Republicans. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. Well, Armstrong Williams is certainly a black, gay republican |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. He's gay? News to me. I have heard his daughter is, though. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. Isn't that Alan Keyes' daughter |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
121. Oh! Yes you're right...I had them confused. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
98. Is that true? or is it a typical DU slur |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
105. Well, there was the harassment suit w/a former male employee... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
120. News to me, but thanks |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Heh, I read that as GARY Coleman. |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. I think that you are thinking of... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
92. pretty much correct, Gilbert |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
27. I seriously doubt a majority of the Leg would vote for it |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Boy, some of you guys really do live in an insular fairy-tale world. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Excuse me for being skeptical. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Nothing wrong with being skeptical |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Well, he did specify "anonymous vote." |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Wrong... Fumo may be a jerk but he KNOWS the Leg. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. I have a hard time thinking a slavery bill could pass. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. we know about sweatshops across the world and we dont care |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. "Across the world"? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Seriously - Sweatshops and illegal immigrants are the slavery of today |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. exactly, we will do whatever it is that we can get away with. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. Chinese outsourcing ... |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
42. What I don't get is a Black Pastor advocating taking away the rights from another minority group |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
122. Please, Please, PLEASE... |
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petepillow (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
48. From everything I've seen and know from both the Philly and Pitt regions of PA |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. the washington post did a really nasty piece on clinton voters in the mon valley |
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petepillow (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. funny how they slipped the "racial component" during the last couple sentences |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
94. Greene, Washington, Fayette and Westmoreland are traditional Democratic Counties. |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. westmoreland county is turning red. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. That is more a result of suburbanization of Westmoreland than the old folks. |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. slavery in the 21st century? |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
58. Why Am I Not Surprised???!!! |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
59. Get fucking real sweetie pies they mean YOU....You think they do not? |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Well said |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
64. Ah... hyperbole... |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
66. JFC! What the HELL |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. Slavery wouldn't. Jim Crow would. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. right to work, no health insurance,private schools |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
69. Truth is harsh, but it is the only well. Tell it Senator.... |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
70. The idea is unthinkable. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
74. Isn't debating whether it is actually true.. |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
75. That seems reasonable to me |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
76. An econ prof I once knew wrote a very funny parody advocating reintroducing slavery |
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Papagoose (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
79. Fumo is a corrupt hack |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. He is charged with over 100 Federal felony counts |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. That's the Fumo I have read of, takes care of Number 1, first and always. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
114. Fumo is an ass but he is 110% right about this |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
80. wow |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. It's already illegal here, so the amendment is just enshrining |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
81. for the few that always seem to misinterpret comments - he's AGAINST slavery |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
82. 'They're just a bunch of white supremecists pretending |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
86. The REAL problem is making marriage a religious event |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. I hate to say this, but I suspect all the push for "Gay Marriage" is to attack marriage itself. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
97. truth hurts |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
110. More anecdotal evidence that we really need another revolution. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
115. Secret Ballot? Nonsense |
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barnel (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
118. well, they support H-1b, dont they |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
119. I've lived in PA, and I wouldn't take a bet against what he said. |
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