Methodists reject SMU Bush Presidential Library 844-20

[FourScore]

Source: The People of the United Methodist Church website

News Flash: SMU Bush Presidential Library Rejection, passed 844-20

This rejection passed on Wednesday morning, 30-April-08, at the quadrennial General Conference of the United Methodist Church that is still meeting in Fort Worth, Texas.


This body is the highest authority of the denomination and cannot be over-ruled by any other body within the denomination.








Read more: http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_mikael___080501_methodists_reject_sm.htm

[Avalux]

1. LOL - hysterical. NO ONE wants to be saddled with that library.

:rofl:

[GodlessBiker]

166. That library will contain a lot of crayon by number drawings.

[George II]

196. And I'm sure there will be lots of shredders enshrined in the "library"

how can there be a library for someone that can barely read?

[Riktor]

205. Oh, come on...

... we all know Dubya's no fan of numbers, or color for that matter...

I figure the Methodists objected because there's no place for Penthouse and Guns and Ammo in their libraries...

[NNadir]

209. And of course, lots of copies of

[calimary]

229. My Pet Goat.

Watch. He'll run whining and sniveling to the Supreme Court to get them to nullify this vote, too.

[Ken Burch]

211. Not that many, actually. It'll mainly be pictures of Lil' Dubbikins during nap time.

n/t.

[JPZenger]

250. UPDATE: Apparently it was not rejected

Sorry that this piece got everyone's hopes up. However, according to the following link, it was a procedural vote to refer it back to a regional board, not a rejection. According to this link, the general conference decided it was not their decision to make.

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/may/01/bush-library-smu-rejected-united-methodist-church/

[klook]

252. Thanks for the info

I'll be interested to see how this turns out. From the article, it looks like we have to wait til July to see how the vote on the land sale by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UM Church goes.

The United Methodist Church rejects war, by the way (officially, anyway) --

We believe war is incompatible with the teachings and example of Christ. We therefore reject war as an instrument of national foreign policy, to be employed only as a last resort in the prevention of such evils as genocide, brutal suppression of human rights, and unprovoked international aggression. We insist that the first moral duty of all nations is to resolve by peaceful means every dispute that arises between or among them; that human values must outweigh military claims as governments determine their priorities; that the militarization of society must be challenged and stopped; that the manufacture, sale, and deployment of armaments must be reduced and controlled; and that the production, possession, or use of nuclear weapons be condemned. Consequently, we endorse general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.

From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2004. Copyright 2004 by The United Methodist Publishing House.

[JPZenger]

255. I love your Barack graphic

I love your Barack graphic.

The assumption is that the south-central conference is controlled by the more conservative wing of the church, and they will approve it.

I can understand the General Conference's decision - they don't own the land or the university -- the south-central conference does. The UMC brags that they are decentralized. Officially, there is no "headquarters" for the church (although there is a central office building in Washington).

The United Methodist Church is very diverse - with many liberal and many conservative churches. They have watched horrible splits occur in other denominations, and try to avoid them by avoiding taking stands on partisan political issues, abortion, etc.

The biggest split in the Methodist Church occurred in the early 1800s - about whether a Methodist bishop was allowed to own slaves.

[klook]

257. Thanks - if you click on the image, you'll see the larger version

Yeah, I'm sure you're right that the SC conference will ultimately approve the deal.

It's amusing to see how many schisms there are within churches. There must be a lot of gated communities in heaven, so the faithful don't have to sing hymns all day with their ideological adversaries!

[yellowdogintexas]

262. yes, the General Conference had to rule on it and (rightfully) pass it to the Jurisdictional level

I had the honor and privilege of meeting one of the initial signers of the first petition at my church a couple of weeks ago, and he told me it was going to be ruled on at Jurisdictional (he is a retired UMC Bishop)

[ekwhite]

197. Maybe he can work a deal to build it in Dubai

Maybe on one of those floating islands. :rofl:

[chiffon]

2. I love it! They don't want to be associated with him and SMU

should have known better!

[curiousdemo]

181. These people are saying......

Say George! Stay your unpopular ass off our campus, and take Laura, Barney and them lying documents in that Library with you. By the way, those books in his Library are the ones he stole from the American people with the Patriot Act. :mad:

[hobbit709]

3. They should build it on the pig farm

That's where it belongs.

[JohnyCanuck]

43. That's what I was gonna say. n/t

[JamesJ]

45. What do you have against pigs?

Pigs are intelligent creatures and, I'm sure any pig would have made a better president.

[hobbit709]

52. True, but the only pigs left at his "ranch" are the two-footed variety.

[jobycom]

57. Maybe the library could be a food source for the pigs?

Or do the crayons make Bush's books toxic?

[jmowreader]

65. We better explain...

First, welcome to DU. With your high opinion of Our Great President, you'll enjoy yourself here. Try to stay out of General Discussion:Primaries for a little while, 'kay? You'll thank me later.

Anyway, DU refers to Bush's "Prairie Chapel Ranch" as the pig farm because it used to be one.

[rfranklin]

101. There's land available in Paraguay...

Right next to the Reverend Moon, Saviour of the Planet, Tropical Paradise Park.

[Judi Lynn]

270. Just found an article on their Paraguay buy: The Bush Family's Bad Latin Real Estate Investment

The Bush Family's Bad Latin Real Estate Investment
Submitted by dlindorff on Fri, 2008-05-02 19:34.
By Dave Lindorff

Back in late 2006, it was widely reported in the Latin American media that President Bush, or perhaps his old man, had bought a 100,000-acre farm in a remote area of Paraguay.

What struck people at the time was the choice of country. Paraguay, of course, has gained a certain Club Med status among the world's villains and criminal elements as the place to go when the law's on your tail. The country, ruled for six decades by the dictatorial and fascist Colorado Party of Gen. Alfredo Stroesser, an almost cartoon charicature of a Latin American dictator, has no extradition treaty with any nation.

That's why it has long harbored aging Nazis, bank robbers, and a string of ousted or retired Latin American dictators and their assistants over the years.

Given that President Bush, once he leaves office on January 20, 2009, will no longer have the diplomatic immunity conferred upon heads of state, or the Constitutional protection against indictment by domestic prosecutors, it makes sense that he would be looking for a safe haven from the long arm of the law.

More:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33192

[SpiralHawk]

111. Actually, the formal name is 'The Imperial Pig Farm Upon Crawford'

Correctness matters.

[struggle4progress]

212. Actually, it's"Swyneswyver"

from "swine" and "swive"

[ShockediSay]

191. Best put it in Iraq, where it & he belong, nt

[populistdriven]

194. They should build it In San Francisco next to the G W Bush wastewater Treatment Plant

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/george-w-bush-sewage-pla_n_94601.html

that way all the presidential materials would smell like the innate quality that all neocon ideas are based on

a pile of crap

[nachoproblem]

225. Not in my back yard! n/t

[calimary]

231. Welcome to DU!

Glad you're here! Let it be in his back yard. Pig farm style.

[Maraya1969]

244. Just because * farm used to be a pig farm doesn't mean we can't stand

up for pigs.

[Window]

174. That's for sure.

Welcome to DU

:hi:

[FlyingSquirrel]

206. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[calimary]

230. Welcome to DU! This is where some of us add in the disclaimer -

"...with apologies to pigs everywhere."

[Maraya1969]

245. Welcome go DU JamesJ!

:yourock:

[wordpix]

95. no, pigs are smarter

[yy4me]

146. From what I heard, it is not even his permanent pig farm, he is

moving the stye to the city!!!

[DB1]

162. Yes, the pig farm is appropriate, they could specialize in "My Pet " books

[jtrockville]

163. No, I think a SEWAGE PLANT would be more suitable.

Doesn't he already have a sewage plant named after him? Maybe he could put his library there.

[samdogmom]

178. How about Guantanamo in Cuba? It seems appropriate.

[calimary]

232. Or Abu Ghraib. Go all out.

All those nice torture rooms - he'd LOVE it! He'd be there making personal appearances all the time.

[dysfunctional press]

249. build it on guantanemo- right next to his cell.

nt

[Clear Blue Sky]

4. For his library?

Couldn't need much space. Maybe a broom closet in the basement of one of the college buildings...

[leftofcool]

6. That's too big

Ya don't need that much room to hold a copy of My Pet Goat

[awoke_in_2003]

158. Gotta have some space

to store all those boxes of shredded documents that haven't been burned yet.

[JuniperLea]

7. Seriously

You don't need much room for My Pet Goat and a couple of "Shakepeares".

[milord]

138. Give credit where it's due.

I believe that was 3 Shakespeares and one Camus, and some Fleer's bubblegum wrappers.

[connecticut yankee]

160. and the other book

once he finishes coloring it.

[calimary]

233. And a few Presidential Daily Briefs he never really looked at. Welcome to DU!

On the other hand, he wouldn't need a lot of room in his "presidential" library. He'll have made sure all his papers are locked away in cold storage probably under the NORAD mountain where nobody will ever see them, until maybe sometime after the next century.

[madamesilverspurs]

115. Better yet

how about the basement of an outhouse. Turnabout being fair play and all that. . .

[speedoo]

5. Excellent! But does this prevent SMU from having the * "library"?

Anyone know?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. No, but I'm kicking this so others can see

and hopefully answer the question. I think it would depend upon who legally owns the college. Is it the UMC? If so, then it would seem to me that the General Conference has the last say in the matter.

Edited to add: I went to the official SMU website, but all it said was that the university was founded by the Methodist Church in 1911 (I think the name of the denomination at that time was Methodist Episcopal; it's been United Methodist since the '60s, when the ME and United Brethren joined). There's a Board of Trustees, a president--but nothing about who actually "owns" the university.

[blayne]

24. The text of the rejection is:

"I hereby petition the UMC General Conference to prevent leasing, selling, or otherwise participating in or supporting the presidential library for George W. Bush at Southern Methodist University."

I don't know how much control they have at the university, but this sounds promising.

[nuxvomica]

106. It has to go for another vote by the South Central Jurisdiction

According to this:

The decision now lies in the hands of the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church. The land on which the library would be built is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction. A body of approximately 290, many of whom voted in the general conference, will take a final vote on the sale of the land. The 2008 South Central Jurisdictional Conference is scheduled for July 16-19 at the Hilton Anatole in Dallas. The North Texas Conference of the UMC will play host to the event.

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/may/01/bush-library-smu-rejected-united-methodist-church/

[speedoo]

122. Great find. Thanks.

I have to think there will be a lot of pressure from BushCo before that vote. Poppy and company would do almost anything to avoid the embarrassment.

[nuxvomica]

127. The vote is certainly a milestone to look foward to

I think no amount of pressure will work and we'll hear of plans to just fold 43's library into 41's. They can't stop that cuz it's already in place.

[speedoo]

132. I hope you're right.

The margin of this first vote is overwhelming.

[Edith Ann]

126. SMU

I don't see the Votes to keep the library. It appears that the S. Central Conference is only voting to sell the land. I don't believe they have the votes and if the main body rejects the library why would they sell the land. Also who has to sign off on the land before it can be sold? The Main body always has the right to pull the funding and SMU could change it's name to South Dallas U. My understanding is the 844 to 20 vote stands. The S.Central Conference can't override. They are only a piece of the pie, not the whole pie. In any case there needs to be more e-mails, letters and phone calls.

[nuxvomica]

130. Yeah, I'm expecting we'll hear of a location change soon

They'll want to avoid the embarrassment by cutting their losses

[rainbow4321]

185. Which means it will NOT be within spitting distance of their Highland Park house

That is where they plan on moving when they move back "to Dallas". I say it that way cuz while they make it sound good with the "Dallas" part, they will be moving to HP which is right near SMU...with all the other local zillionaires.

[nuxvomica]

187. I didn't realize that about the proximity

I think his libary will probably wind up at College Station, and they'll call it "temporary" until a suitably magnificent site can be found. He's got to put his papers somewhere or they might end up outside of his control.

[calimary]

234. Welcome to DU! What a lopsided result - 844 to 20.

Whoa. They like you, they really like you, junior.

[yellowdogintexas]

263. South Central Jurisdiction owns the land, and can reject the selling of, leasing of

or other use of the land.

Board of Trustees can sit on a tack

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. YAY!!!

Most Methodists I know (and most are members of my family) HATE Bush and are embarrassed that the SMU even considered being the site of the library. This news should cheer their hearts. Hope their bishop was one who voted NO.

[lonestarnot]

10. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

:applause: One book in a library The Pet Goat and he didn't finish it! :applause:

[Vincardog]

25. Wrong there are two MY PET GOAT and the coloring book

[lonestarnot]

26. but he ate the fucking crayons...

[asjr]

49. When he read it in Florida it

was upside down and he didn't know the difference.

[Lasher]

55. I'll hit it for ya, Not

This is waaaay funny!

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

11. Another chip at the stone, excellent

[calimary]

238. Welcome to DU!

Glad to have you here. We don't get much opportunity to gloat these days.

[flamin lib]

12. The issue is not with the Library itself, it's with the "think tank" that

comes with it. The stated purpose of the "think tank" is to make positive interpretations of the Bush administration and to promote the Bush agenda. It is unheard of for a facility on the premises of an intuition of higher learning to host a site with a predetermined agenda to distort history for the purpose of furthering a specific point of view.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Since SMU is dedicated to being non-sectarian

and open to all, I don't think the "think tank" sat well with the bishops in the GC.

[yellowdogintexas]

264. the initial starters of the petition were some retired UMC bishops who are

Perkins Divinity School (Southern Methodist) Alums. Perkins is the largest UMC Divinity school in the SC Jurisdiction and many many of our pastors are grads of the college and/or the Divinity School.

I signed that petition, proudly, and was totally pumped when I saw one of our former Central Texas Conference Bishops as one of the first signers. I had the opportunity to tell him this in person a couple of weeks ago. He is optomistic about the Jurisdictional review

[roguevalley]

34. 500 monkeys banging on typewriters. There is probably an

ordinance against it. Bush= faux methodist. My mother=A true Methodist and humane human being. Worlds and oceans apart.

[Fridays Child]

35. From what I read a few days ago, they're also not up for commemorating a torturer.

[tridim]

169. Building a library while the honoree is mired in a war crimes trail is bad PR.

[Fridays Child]

179. For members of the UMC, torture is specifically proscribed.

From an email by Rev. Andrew J. Weaver, Ph.D that I received a few days ago:

Torture is a crime against humanity and a violation of every human rights treaty in existence. It represents a betrayal of the deepest values of the UMC that founded and built SMU. In the supposedly “less enlightened” 18th century, John Wesley explicitly preached against the torture of prisoners of war:

War itself is justifiable only on principles of self-preservation: Therefore it gives us no right over prisoners, but to hinder their hurting us by confining them. Much less can it give a right to torture, or kill, or even to enslave an enemy when the war is over (5).

Bush, who claims to be a “proud Methodist,” shows no sign of contrition or regret or remorse or repentance for his un-Christian behavior. To the contrary, he continues to try to justify himself and protect those in our government who have used and continue to use torture. Lutheran Dietrich Bonhoffer in Nazi Germany rightly called the cowardliness of the Christians in that terrible time to make evil-doers accountable for their wicked deeds “cheap grace”. Building a monument to this torturer-in-chief on a UMC campus to “celebrate this great president, celebrate his accomplishments” (6) is a defilement of our church that will permanently damage our credibility to proclaim the Christian faith. (emphasis added)

[Lasher]

58. OK a quasi-serious moment

That's a big problem with me too. Tell me, does any other presidential library have a co-located stink tank like this one will, assuming they can find a place to put it?

Edit: No, wait. What about the Hoover Institution on the campus of Stanford University?

[jmowreader]

77. No other presidential library ever needed one before

The purpose of the George W. Bush Center is to remold Shrubbie's legacy so it makes it look like he was a good president, instead of the fuckup he was.

A gentleman by the name of Winston Smith has been named its first director.

The equipment for the GWB Center has already been ordered: one computer, one television and a shredder big enough to put a Mack Truck in.

[Lasher]

91. But Saint Ronnie has obviously had that kind of pretzel analysis applied to his 8 year train wreck.

Maybe since he already had the Heritage Foundation and the Hoover Institution he didn't need a separate propaganda wing to invent his own Bizarro history.

[Ian David]

13. Why don't they excommunicate him and get it over with already? n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. Methodists don't tend to excummunicate

Members just usually drift away.

[Harry Monroe]

50. Only the Catholics excommunicate

I was born and raised in the Catholic faith though I haven't set foot in a Catholic church (except for friends and relatives weddings and funerals) for 20 years. But according to Catholic tradition, you never leave the church unless you are excommunicated from it. Kinda like the Mafia. Once you join, there's no getting out. BTW, I joined a Methodist church about 5 years ago. Bush is the farthest thing from a Methodist or even a Christian, in my opinion.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

64. You are right about Bush

Nothing like any Methodist I've ever known, either. I think the LDS Church also excommunicates--at least I had a high school friend who was lured into that faith with promises to by a missionary to marry her--once she opted in, he dumped her. She quit and told me they excommunicated her. She went back to the Methodist Church in which she was raised, and has stayed there ever since.

[polmaven]

102. Actually, there is excommunication

in the Methodist Church. It is not used very often, only in extreme cases.

There was a "petition" sent to the General Conference for this year, from the New England Conference asking for consideration of just that. It was not approved by the NE conference, because the sessiion was "conveniently" closed before it was voted, but it did go to General anyway.

[Critters2]

107. Other Christian traditions can excommunicate, they just don't do it

very often.

[pnwmom]

117. Neither does the Catholic Church. I've never heard of anyone excommunicated.

It's possible, but very rare.

[Ian David]

118. Catholic church excommunicates priests who get married or ordain women.

Molesting kids gets you sent to a retirement home for pervs, on the parishoners' dime.

[pnwmom]

119. Former priests can get married without being excommunicated.

But if an actual priest were to marry, or to ordain a woman, yes he'd be subject to ex-communication. As I said, though, it's extremely rare.

[Ian David]

120. Happened at least a couple times this year. n/t

[pnwmom]

226. Perhaps they didn't go through the formal process that a priest needs

to go through to be released from his vows.

But I have known several priests who were released from their vows and immediately married. One married a nun, and neither were ex-communicated.

[Ian David]

246. These were guys who basically thumbed their noses at Der Popenfuhrer. n/t

[AnneD]

256. Same here....

One of my friend's dad was a Jesuit. He was released from his vows and married her mom (a lifelong marriage BTW). He was a great guy-well read, intelligent, and a delicious sense of humour. He was a person you looked up to. It was the Catholic Churches loss.

[mnhtnbb]

172. Archdiocese of Lincoln NE excommunicates all the time. They are super right wing

http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2006/12/excommuncations-in-diocese-of-lincoln.html

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/USexcommunications.html

We knew a city councilperson who was excommunicated when we were living there (94-2000) because he dared
to support Planned Parenthood.

The town is about 40% Catholic and they are very self-righteous about their beliefs. My oldest
went to parochial school in St. Joseph, MO, grades K-2, and was not doing well in the public schools in Lincoln when he was older elementary. I was talking to an acquaintance one day (Catholic) whose kids went to the parochial schools in Lincoln, so I thought I'd get her perspective. She outright told me,
"we don't want your child if he's not Catholic". Turns out his problems in relationship to school
were due to his growing self-awareness that he was gay.

I couldn't believe the attitude in Lincoln, though, when the parochial school in St. Joseph had been very welcoming, and inclusive of him in the school. But, they had a marvelous woman principal (not a nun).

[pnwmom]

228. That archdiocese has a crazy man for a Bishop. On the other hand, look at Guiliani.

He's on his third marriage, and his second was not annulled, but he took Communion from the Pope. And the only criticism he got from his Bishop was on his pro-choice stand. But no one is talking about excommunicating him.

[0007]

210. Wasn't Liz Taylor excommunicated by the Catholic church?

I think it was after she left Eddie Fisher and took the jewish vows.

[madrchsod]

88. we don`t do that

we don`t ask people to bring a dish to pass and they get the hint they are not liked or they are a bad cook.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

134. Nice

That certainly sounds like the Methodist church I grew up in.

[calimary]

235. Welcome to DU!

Glad you're here. A pretty entertaining thread here!

[Ian David]

15. You mean the Lie-Bury. n/t

[wordpix]

97. good one, love it

:rofl:

[pacalo]

17. Hubby said he'll have to put it next to a snowball stand. Hahaaa!

[pleah]

18. K&R!

I used to attend a very small Methodist church. They seem to be some of the least pushy group out there. Or, at least, the ones of knew.

Good for them. :applause:

[yellowcanine]

19. I like a church with balls like that. I believe it was mostly Methodists behind the WCTU.

Also a lot of the abolitionists were Methodists. That church has balls.

[Critters2]

109. Carrie Nation, head of the WCTU was a Disciple.

And Methodists in the South supported slavery. Only Congregationalists, Unitarians, and Quakers were abolitionist at the national level.

[yellowcanine]

144. I believe the Southern Methodists, like the S. Baptists, split off over slavery.

And many Methodists were WCTU, a leader needs people to lead.

[struggle4progress]

167. The Southern Baptists originally split off because they wanted a church to support slavery

[yellowcanine]

200. Likewise the church which became the Southern Methodists split off in 1845 over slavery

from the rest of the Methodists.


http://www.southernmethodistchurch.org/id37.htm

[yellowdogintexas]

265. and merged back in during the 1930's nt

[Uncle Joe]

20. You mean Bush can't appeal this to his buddies at the Supreme Court?

Sweet.:)

[rocktivity]

21. CUE THE VONAGE THEME, YOU ALL!

:woohoo:
rocknation

[intheflow]

22. When I wrote a piece critical of Bush in my Methodist school paper

in 2003, the school got in big trouble with the alums, the Board, and the local conference. It was hinted that our Methodist funding might be severely affected. After that all editorials in the justice and peace newspaper had to be run with a disclaimer saying editorial opinons weren't necessarily held by the school, blah, blah, blah. Now it looks like the vast majority of those people agree with me.
Vindication is mine! :woohoo:

[yellowdogintexas]

266. which school, if I may ask? nt

[DemoTex]

23. UMC petition submitted by my vice-mayor pro-tem, Diane Smock (D)!!!!!

Greenville County (SC) Democratic Party Elected Officials

C. Diane Smock
Vice Mayor Pro Tem
At-Large Representative
Term: 11/05-11/09

http://www.greenvilledemocrats.com/index.php?s=elected-officials

:yourock:

[progressoid]

27. Ouch!

[AnneD]

28. Bush's proported piety while

cutting funding to the poor, advancing torture, and digging us deeper into this war has stuck in the craw of most Methodist I know. And his claimimg to be Methodist has added insult to injury. I won't even tell you what our African American and Hispanic brethern say but 844-20 is about right.

And those 20 need to check the battery in their hearing aid.

[eppur_se_muova]

154. "those 20 need to check the battery in their hearing aid" -- LOL!

Probably pretty close to the truth. I was guessing that was just the pity vote -- some people are just too polite to want to make *anyone* look bad.

[AnneD]

254. And that might be a possibility too...

I forgot the piety vote-that accounts for only 5 of the 20 though. By Sunday, most of the batteries need changing. Sometimes having your battery go dead in the middle of service might be a plus, however.

[pattmarty]

29. I've got an outhouse here in Arkansas I'd be glad to donate.

[FourScore]

31. That's waaaayyy too fancy.

Although I can see your line of thinking:

Bush Presidential Library = Full of Shit = Outhouse

Still, don't do that to yourself...it's not worth it. Just keep the outhouse for your own shit.

[Dr.Phool]

38. why would you want to devalue your shithouse?

I know real estate is down, but it's not that bad.

[TheCowsCameHome]

46. Then you don't need any more crap.

:rofl:

[FloridaJudy]

221. Hey, people need something to wipe with

When they've finished. I think that would be a very appropriate place for Bu$h's papers.

[cyberpj]

30. He can just build his own on the pig-farm "ranch" with the blood money he's making. nt

[xxqqqzme]

87. That pig farm is on the exclusive, 'shown by appointment

only' sale list right after 1/20/09. So there will be no lie-berry in Crawford

[bmbmd]

32. I am unsure of the meaning of this legislation.

It was passed on the thirtieth of April, and has "no financial implications". It was then referred aback to the Southcentral jurisdictional conference. I think this may be more of a procedural element than a statement of principle. I beleive there is a foundation which is aquiring land close to the campus which is to be used for the site. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this as a big victory for the UMC. It's not even in the Dallas paper this morning.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. Thank You Methodists!

Amen!

[The Blue Flower]

36. It took a lot of activism

An activist by the name of Andrew Weaver has been circulating petitions via email for several months to get Methodists and their leadership to stand against locating the library at SMU, so, as is evident from the vote, quite a lot of people took a principled stand for the social justice teachings of Methodism. In 2004 or 2005, a very strong letter against the war and * was published and signed by Methodist bishops from throughout the US.

[Career Prole]

39. I hear ya. I was a petition-signing Methodist myself. n/t

[kineneb]

103. I signed as well

even though I am a Buddhist; I was playing music for a U.Methodist church at the time.

Of all flavors of Christianity, I like the UM the best: they still have good church music, and they believe in the value of good works as well as having faith.

[Career Prole]

131. I remember when I was talking to the pastor about joining.

I was a lapsed Catholic. I asked him outright about a few things I believed/didn't believe...things which my baptist mother-in-law swore would doom me to some fiery pit. One in particular was about the value of good works since I've never bought that whole "saved" thing the mother-in-law was selling. Asked him about that and evolution and the whole "bible as final authority" thing. He certainly set my mind at ease about joining them.

[Fridays Child]

37. Finally. A vote that Bush couldn't manage to rig.

[krkaufman]

40. I'm sure there's spare space that could be rented ...

... at the new embassy George built in Baghdad. It'd be a far more proper location for his library, as well.

[Lucky 13]

41. Not even Texan Methodists want his Lieberry?!

Oh noes!

[Submariner]

42. The GW Bush Library would be an obvious Al Qaida target

so these SMU folks know they don't want to be collateral damage when that time comes. That library would probably be ground zero for a Bin Laden car bomb.

[JamesJ]

53. On the contrary...

Why would Bin Laden attack Bush's library? Bush did everything that Bin Laden wanted him to do after 9/11. Bin Laden wanted US military bases out of Saudi Arabia, they're out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden wanted the US to attack an Arab nation. Bin Laden didn't want to die.

Al Qaida is as strong now as they were before 9/11 and the US is hated or disrespected around the world. All a result of Bush's foreign policy.

Not to mention, of course, that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family have had strong ties going back many years. Don't forget, one of the first actions Bush took on 9/11 was to protect the Bin Laden family members who were in this country at that time.

[curiousdemo]

243. You are so right.....

Did you know the people in the Highland Park community had a terrorist expert come to a town-hall meeting and tell them its not if an attack on his Library will happen, but when. This is a very conservative community who supported Bush but do not want him or his library in their community. It's a fairly quiet community and they don't need the protesters and ruckus that will transpire when and if the Library is built.

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. Why do these people hate coloring books????????????????

I'm stunned.............:rofl:

[Vinca]

47. So what am I supposed to do with the Little Golden Books I planned to donate?

:rofl:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

48. Bush has already put his memoirs on paper every day in his bathroom

I'm shocked that no one wants rolls upon rolls of crap-smudged toilet paper that memorialize this Administration.

[PurgedVoter]

51. He should consider getting space in Daddy's library .

We already have Daddy Bush's library here in College Station.
We local Dems (so very, very few of us) are used to the
pandering, slobbering and groveling, not to mention the jets
and helicopters in the air whenever HW is in residence.  It's
only about 1 1/2 hours from W's "home" in Crawford.
His little sister is buried here and Mummy and Daddy already
have their plots next to little Robin. The local university's
board of regents would be thrilled. It's perfect. 

We'll be glad to take the hit for the rest of the country. 

You're welcome. 

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

66. I promise never to tell Aggie jokes

in honor of your sacrifice.

[xxqqqzme]

92. the lie-berry annex can be an RV in the parking lot.

In honor of unprecedented number of vacations * took.

Wouldn't it look great w/ a long neon orange extension cord snaking over the grounds into a building.

[Harry Monroe]

54. A few comic books and Dr. Seuss books can't take up that much space, can they??

Good for the Methodists. They see this hypocrite for what he is.

[tavalon]

220. That's an insult

to Dr. Suess

[jimmil]

56. I am curious (but not Curious George)

What would the lieberry have in it? Bush signed a presidential fiat that prevented any presidential papers being released without the consent of the family or anyone even remotely associated with the president like the gardener. It prevented any papers from the Reagan era, forward, from seeing the light of day. That simply denies any future historians digging and finding the truth. I guess that is why they needed the "think tank" associated with it. They can make up shit and put it in for future reference. Regardless, the history of our government will never be told after the collapse of our government.

[jmowreader]

74. Come on, jimmil, you know what's going to be in it...

Saddam's pistol
The gallows they dangled Saddam from
A big bronze impression of Shrub strolling across the deck of the USS Lincoln
The cucumber he had stuffed down his pants for that stroll
The "Mission Accomplished" banner
A whole GALLON of that purple ink they use to mark people's thumbs with at Iraqi polling stations

[Raster]

193. Don't forget, THE copy of "My Pet Goat," and also the memorial....

Jenna/Not Jenna Turkey Baster used by pResident Closet Case* and Pickles to conceive the twins from hell.

[jmowreader]

199. Those are for the Counter Bush Library

Turkey baster my ass...

(In the background: over a hundred filthy children walking down the sidewalk singing "Every Sperm is Sacred" as if it was a dirge...)

Shrub: "Bloody Democrats! Filling the bloody world with bloody children they can't afford to bloody feed..."
Pickles: 'Wot's that you say?'
Shrub: "It's those bloody Democrats. Every time they have sex they have to have a baby."
Pickles: 'It's the same with us, isn't it? We have two children, and we've had sex twice.'
Shrub: "That's not the point. We could have sex any time we wanted it, and furthermore because I am not a Democrat I could wear a little rubber device on my odd fellow that would ensure that when I came off you would not become pregnant."
Pickles: 'Oh...have you got any?'
Shrub: "Well...no! But I assure you that I could walk into Harry's and say, with a clear and steady voice, 'Harry, I want you to sell me a condom. In fact, I think today I will have a French tickler, because I am a Republican!"

[calimary]

236. Welcome to DU!

I remember that. I wonder if a future president's signed fiat could overturn that. We ARE owed the truth, regardless what they think.

[jobycom]

59. This is just mean

To anyone who lives in another city where Bush might try to move it next!

[pjt7]

60. That's great!

Good for SMU

[calimary]

237. Welcome to DU!

I hope the decision stands.

[sonias]

62. He can plant himselft next to Poppy

After all that's the only reason he got elected. I'm sure A&M would take it. :evilgrin:


Sonia

[SharonRB]

61. This is a riot

Didn't they have trouble finding a place for it to begin with? If they won't take it, I wonder who will.

[krispos42]

63. Oh, kick and rec...

Besides, he's deleted or shredded EVERYTHING. How big does his library need to be to hold a vacuum?

[jmowreader]

67. Don't start celebrating prematurely, folks...

Within three days Bush will issue a signing statement and construction will commence.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

69. bush has enough money & evil connections to buy the upcoming vote in July.

The conference's committee on Ministry and Higher Education voted 51-5 to refer it to the full conference, and the conference voted yesterday by 844-20 to refer it to the jurisdiction that controls the Dallas-based university. That jurisdiction plans a meeting in July.

[lebkuchen]

71. If it's built, it will be enveloped by a mighty big cloud

Stanford told Reagan to take a hike. Glad the TX Methodists at SMU took a stand, too.

Only question is, who will want his written legacy now? The local library at Crawfish?

[Edith Ann]

93. SMU

It wasn't the Texas Methodists. It was Methodists in the conference in several states. I am a Methodist. We need to get back to our roots. We don't believe in liars, cheaters, thieves, tortures and murders. We are socially active, and believe in peace on earth goodwill to men. We fight for social justice. That was the way I was educated anyway. SMU should have had its plug pulled years ago for letting the alum buy sex for the football players. It did result in "Sudden Death" The NCAA shut down the program for several years. I don't know what the church did. I don't think the right wing of the church has as much control as they thought they did. Maybe they'll move on. 844 to 20. That would be hard to ignore.

[lebkuchen]

104. Those 20 who voted "Aye"

Texans, do you think? Just curious.

There have been Christian churches prior which have stood up to Bush, but the Methodists get the crown after this vote. The media is going to ignore the landslide decision as best it can, but word will get 'round the web.

The Methodist community should stand proud.

[Edith Ann]

121. SMU

Well you are talking about a group of people, Texans, who commit murder to get their daughter's elected cheerleaders.

[Erin Elizabeth]

259. Excuse me, but we don't ALL commit murder

to get our daughters elected as cheerleaders.

Give me a break with the broad brushstrokes there.

Signed,
A Fellow Methodist in Texas Who Also Doesn't Want the Bush Library Here

[Edith Ann]

273. Cheerleaders.

Sorry.

[AnneD]

258. The Methodist Church mirrors the country...

Our church and esp our bible class for the longest time had a strong conservative wing (but a liberal pastor-GOD bless him). They almost succeeded in driving our liberal members off-but enough of us (I am a liberal-I know this shocks folks here) dug our heals in and have become more outspoken. We got a new pastor that was conservative-but our Bible class is training him very nicely. We are getting more new liberal members and the entire feel of the church is changing. We still love and respect our Elder members, but we want to take the message of Jesus seriously and walk his walk, not just talk his talk.

The neocons wanted to co-opt the churches and use them to funnel more money out of the government and the unsuspecting church members for their own nefarious political purposes. They succeeded in some churches, but not in our little church, and from what I gather-not from other churches either. Some of us still believe in the message of Christ and Christ, after all, was the most subversive liberal that ever lived.

[Edith Ann]

274. mirrors

You are right. "Love thy neighbor as thy self" is the most radical progressive idea of all time and we can't do it. Some of us try, but bullies never try.

[Edith Ann]

275. I forgot

By the way, I'm from Oklahoma where we terrorize Hispanics, legal or undocumented.

[benld74]

68. It belongs INSIDE the Iraqi Embassy !

[jmowreader]

79. It belongs on Alcatraz.

As does the honoree.

[CherokeeDem]

99. I'd settle for his little collection of war crime documents ...

to be housed with him in the Hague following his conviction for crimes against the planet.

[Gman]

70. It will end up at A&M where daddy's library is

and be welcomed by the A&M cult.

[Maestro]

72. Good for them! Let's see if SMU listens.

:thumbsup:

[KansDem]

73. Put *Il Duce's* library in a mobile home...

Maybe some communities will be more receptive to the idea of having it if the residents knew it wouldn't be permanent...

[Kermitt Gribble]

75. Well, they rejected the"library"

but GWB wants a "liberry". So I guess this ruling can't stand.

[baldguy]

76. We must defend the Nation from these Methodofascist terrorists!

Rejecting the great & wonderful honor of our Dear Leaders' gift to them - they must really hate America!

[xxqqqzme]

78. Maybe Falwell's school will step forward

After all, that law school certainly turned out the graduates to fill up the DOJ.

[LynneSin]

80. BREAKING NEWS!!! This group just volunteered to host the Bush Library...

[CaptJasHook]

81. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Hissyspit]

82. I must respond to this just to get my signature pic into the thread.

[Turbineguy]

83. Well that's not as good a news as

"Rush Limbaugh found face down in a gutter, beaten to death!"

But I'll take what I can get.

[FloridaJudy]

222. I'm a non-violent type

So I'd much prefer "overdosed, and having choked on vomit", but - like you - I'll settle for what I can get.

[CherokeeDem]

84. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a bit of an agnostic but was raised in the Methodist Church. I am very proud of them for rejecting a connection to this warmonger.

[madrchsod]

85. i guess my vote and opinion counted after all !

been a life long member of the methodist church...there must have been a lot of NO emails

[Edith Ann]

98. No e-mails

Me too. I'm proud of them. I want to know how to contact the last group to vote. The one that meets in July.

[madrchsod]

148. i received my email but i deleted it!

better check the next one

[nichomachus]

86. Future site of Bush library

[peace frog]

89. I love it!

Thanks for the day-brightener! Well done, SMU! :thumbsup:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

90. Duke refused Nixon

Back in the seventies, Duke University, where The Big Dick (prior to Cheney) went to law school, voted against allowing the Nixon Library to be built on its campus.

[Lasher]

94. I did not know that.

Thanks for sharing that bit of history.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

125. You're welcome

I was in on it, and it was a great time. I was working for a man named Charles S. Murphy, who was Mr. Democrat in DC - he had been President Truman's White House counsel, had worked for LBJ, a real deep-down Democrat.

And he hated Nixon with a passion.

If you read this article - http://tinyurl.com/5berz5 - you'll see Charlie mentioned about halfway down. He resigned when Terry Sanford, then president of Duke, went courting The Big Dick for his papers. Charlie was livid. He had always been generous to Duke, his undergrad and law alma mater, being a North Carolina native, but he went ballistic when Sanford wouldn't back down. And they were friends.

Charlie resigned and withdraw all his financial support and pledges. He took a number of notable Duke alumni with him, including William Styron.

This was the result, and we were all very pleased - http://tinyurl.com/5kqxvu

Charlie Murphy was a real hero.

[Lasher]

136. Wow. And what became of Terry Sanford after all that?

Surely backing out of the Nixon Library deal wasn't the end of it.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

139. As I recall,

he continued on as Duke's president until age and illness caught up with him. He died about 10 years ago.

I always liked Senator Sanford, and he and Charlie were still friends after the Nixon debacle, a true sign of gentlemen.

[Hulk]

96. Build it in the Green Zone....

What a humiliation. This ape shit dumb ass can't even GIVE a library to anyone. Just think, they'd all have to talk like baby-hitler himself....morons.

Too funny for words. Hope this gets some press coverage. "Yeah, he's really a very brilliant man"....lol. In his f*cking dreams!!

[crimsonblue]

100. hehehe

This made me chuckle a little bit. Fuck you, Georgie!

[laylah]

105. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof::rofl:

The end :evilgrin:

[SpiralHawk]

108. "Take that, you AWOL lying frat-boy cheerleader occultist." - Methodists

The k and the r

[Botany]

110. The heads of the Methodist, Episcopal, and Pthe rotestant Churches in the U.S. ....

.... tried to see bush before the war to say that "it"
was against the teachings of Jesus ... bush refused
to see them.

[kineneb]

112. there may more to this...

attempts by right-wing fundie groups to destroy liberal denominations via lawsuits! Not only are they gunning for political liberals, they are going after the liberal churches. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the library thing was related to this.

Note: I am Buddhist, but share many of their values. (And I grew up singing in Methodist church choirs.)

from Rev. Weaver's e-mail, written by Rev. Steven D. Martin, Clergy member, Holston Annual Conference:

For some time we have been watching the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD), a so-called "renewal group" that attacks and undermines the mainline churches. As a United Methodist pastor, I have been particularly concerned about the IRD's attacks on my denomination. I have addressed these concerns in several ways, one of which is to create the video, Renewal or Ruin?, which is viewable in its entirety online.

http://www.ird-info.com/

-snip-

Why are IRD, Good News, and the Confessing Movement funding the case against GBCS? In a 2004 article published in Good News magazine, Tooley said, "If income from the Methodist Building and old Board of Temperance investments were restricted to alcohol-related work, it would be a devastating blow to Church and Society's ability to lobby for its more favored liberal political causes." Furthermore, Tooley gloats: "Even more devastating would be any legal finding that required Church and Society to reimburse the millions of dollars it has spent over the years from old Board of Temperance assets, in seeming violation of the 1965 trust agreement’s expectation that all income was to be reserved for alcohol-related work."

-snip-

italics are mine

[nonoxy9]

142. Thank you kineneb! This info is great!

As a member of the UMC I've been bothered when seeing UMAction propaganda, but I didn't know it was this big. Thank you so much for helping us all fight this insidious group.

[calimary]

239. Welcome to DU!

I signed the petition myself, disgruntled Catholic that I am.

[moondust]

113. YES!

:applause:

[JenniferJuniper]

114. It may have to be like a traveling circus

...pack up the junk in trailers and just move to another town soon as the welcome wears out. George Dubya's Travelin' Lieberry Show. And Freeper Freaks can follow him around the country chanting "Gooba gabba, one of us..."

[louis-t]

116. What, no signing statements?

N'yuck.

[Cabcere]

123. Sweet.

:) As someone who grew up in the United Methodist church, this makes me very happy. :D Most UMs I know are decent people who actually believe in stuff like helping the poor, and many of them don't care much for Bush, even in the (very conservative) area of the country where I live. :)

[Miss_Underestimated]

124. No need for brick & mortar library. They can just post the pdf online -

DubyaLibrary.com/Catalogue


MyPetGoat.pdf

[calimary]

240. That's about all it's worth. Welcome to DU!

Interesting how the bad guys - nixon, reagan, and now this schmuck - all had trouble finding a home for their lie-braries.

[DemExpat]

128. Brilliant!!!!!!!

Just love this landslide decision.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

LOLOL!

DemEx

[katsy]

129. OMG...

If this news doesn't get 1000+ recs I will lose my faith in mankind!

k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r k/r


:rofl:

[speedoo]

133. 65 recs and counting. C'mon folks!

rec this great news!

[SomeGuyInEagan]

135. Just build the damn thing in Dubyai

That's where he's going to end up anyway

[Hekate]

137. That is delicious with a cherry on top

:evilgrin:
:toast:
:rofl:

Hekate

[TBF]

140. Maybe they can put it at Yale next to a statue of Hillary Clinton

That school really has turned out some fine product...

[HuffleClaw]

141. now THAT is a mandate n/t

[oasis]

143. Library for a son-of-a-bitch who can't read /speak correct English.

:eyes:

[yy4me]

145. Bravo, SMU, you did the right thing......from one old Methodist

to the home education office. Well done. You don't need to be connected with **** and his disaster.

[lovuian]

147. He is going to have to build his own library

to the poor school saddled with it

[skepticscott]

149. Don't be surprised

if Shrubbie tries to get the Supremes to try to overturn that decision...that seems to be about the only group he's still popular with..

[mahatmakanejeeves]

150. LBN: SCOTUS: After a careful review, construction of library to proceed.

Vote was 5-4. Nino: "get over it."

[Phred42]

151. LOL - The Methodists don't want his LIE-bury

:toast:

Good on the Methodists!

GW Smeagol

[bookman]

152. This is...

... my favorite story of the day.

:rofl:

Today it's good to be a Texan! (at least for me and the Dixie Chicks)

[trusty elf]

153. May much more scorn and humiliation be heaped upon him!

[jtrockville]

164. I'd prefer indictments and convictions. nt

[madmax]

155. k&r n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

156. Oh dear.

:rofl:

Ol Georgie might be the first prez w/o a library.

[The Wizard]

157. Relocating to

The Crawford estate or Karl Rove's house. Or they could go all the way and shove it up Cheney's ass.

[Indenturedebtor]

170. I was thinking to place it between his ears

Or where his heart used to be... plenty of room in either places

[Narkos]

159. That made my day!

[calimary]

241. Mine, too! Welcome to DU!

There IS hope sometimes.

[juno jones]

161. My mom was Methodist

It wasn't until yeras later that I understood why she was involved with this congregation...I have found out since that they are liberal and anti war. My mom would have been proud. Thank you, Methodists.

[Freedom Train]

165. Rec #100!!

:toast:

[onehandle]

168. God's President loses again.

Methodists know the unholy when they see them.

[indepat]

171. Wow! About 2 1/2% for, about the percentage W's approval rating should now be, about the

percentage all his major legislative efforts should have received. :D

[gristy]

176. You make a very interesting point

Why is that % in favor so much lower than his supposed approval rating?

[stratomagi]

173. Clearly My Pet Goat isn't a favorite read amongst methodists. nt

[Endangered Specie]

175. I know where they should put his library... the YFZ ranch!

[NBachers]

202. I Think the Spahn Ranch

would be more appropriate.

[Catherine Vincent]

177. Bwahahahahhahaha!!!!

That's all I have to say about that!

[jeff30997]

180. Meh,Chimpy doesn't care...

He'll have his Librarity in Paraguay anyway.

[Horse with no Name]

182. This is awesome! n/t

[old mark]

183. GW Bush Presidential Liberry...

...and I understand they will feature a book when they can find a Republican who has one to donate.

It would be an insult to the pigs....


mark

[calimary]

242. Welcome to DU! Whatever books they'd "donate" would be cooked.

[rainbow4321]

184. And what does the Dallas repuke rag report?? NOTHING,

Absolutely nothing about the decision.

They did acknowledge the conference being held in Ft Worth, though. About the group outside protesting "the denomination's decision not to change its official stand that the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching".


Not a word about chimp's library ruling.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/050308dnmetmethodists.bb48a9d8.html

[minnesota_liberal]

186. Hilarious!

The neo-Fascists are going to have to build it themselves.

[ananda]

188. Lol. Well.. there's always MCC.

Midland Community College.

[ColesCountyDem]

189. Tea just came out of my nose!

That's just too precious for words!

:rofl:

[Olney Blue]

190. I picked the wrong day... to become an atheist. Go Methodists!

[SunDrop23]

192. YA HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Great news!!!!

[ekwhite]

195. Good for the Methodists N/T

:yourock:

[City Lights]

198. OMG, that's hysterical!

:rofl:

[Redbear]

201. This story is sadly INCORRECT

The Methodist general conference did not approve the petition. They voted to refer the petition to the South Central jurisdiction.

http://calms.umc.org/2008/Menu.aspx?type=Petition&mode=Single&Number=80089

[FourScore]

207. No, it's not.

It clearly states:

"Last Vote Action: Vote on Main Motion
This motion was Adopted, with 844 votes for and 20
votes against."

Reverand Weaver, the man who wrote the petition, wrote the press release as seen in the OP.

[Rex_Goodheart]

213. Yes, the story is sadly incorrect

The motion to refer the matter to the South Central Jurisdictional Conference is what passed 844-20.

All this jubilation means pie on DU's face, I fear.

[Redbear]

216. But the good news is that the petition is still alive.

Maybe we can find out who will eventually vote on the petition.

[bmbmd]

253. These guys.

http://scj.umportal.org/main/index.asp

They have already approved the matter.

" A regional mission council of the United Methodist Church gave SMU permission in March to lease out part of the campus for the library. SMU later received a letter from the church's South Central Jurisdiction College of Bishops affirming the right to lease the land. "
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-bushlibrary_23met.ART0.West.Edition1.45f5bab.html

[bmbmd]

251. No-look down at the "Committee Action" panel.

the committee voted to refer the matter back to the South Central Jurisdiction, and the general assembly voted to approve the committee action. See the final action? "Referred".

[DuckBurp]

267. HOLD ON. This vote is good news -

What the General Conference vote on Wednesday did was to force SMU President Gerald Turner and the SMU trustees to go to the South Central Jurisdictional (SCJ) Conference which meets in July for their approval. Turner and the trustees had been trying to build the library, museum, and think tank without getting approval of the United Methodist Church (UMC). Rev. Andrew Weaver is leading the fight to protect the property rights of the UMC and the voting rights of the SCJ Conference delegates.

The tactic being used by Turner is typical for him. He kept from public scrutiny for years most of the information about the think tank, including its independence from control by the University and the UMC. Turner has been trying, through the mainstream media, to give the impression that it was all a done deal. This vote allows Methodists the time and the opportunity to educate the voting members of the SCJ, who will hopefully vote in a representative manner for the vast majority of Methodists who oppose the library, museum, and think tank.

I am a life-long Methodist and two-time SMU alum, vocally opposing the library, museum, and think tank.

[gordianot]

203. I may go back to Church.

Although very moderate almost liberal I ran into more than a few Repuke Bush loving Methodists. That is one reason I stopped going.

Good News, I intend to rub it in.

[darue]

204. the dubya library will be run by US not him. his would be a burn barrel...

our will be a Truth Commission style project whose output will be online only. bush deserves no building.

[struggle4progress]

217. No, it's an entirely private enterprise

[jmowreader]

261. Yes he does! He really does!

It needs to have all of the things Shrub did wrong, and along the back wall it needs to contain a glass-walled room...with a license plate press in it, and Shrub in front of the press.

I figure we can get an agreement with all fifty states, whereby visitors to the Bush library can get official plates for their home states, legal to use on any car in America, and along the bottom there needs to be an inscription:

THIS LICENSE PLATE WAS MADE BY GEORGE W. BUSH

No online sales. You have to go to the Bush Library, which is centrally located on the grounds of the Fort Polk Stockade in Bum Fuck, Louisiana, to get your very own Bush-made license plate. You also have to point at him and laugh.

[DesertRat]

208. Kudos to the Methodists!

:thumbsup:

[Rex_Goodheart]

214. Don't get so excited...

The story is incorrect.

I'd love for Mr. Weaver to prove me wrong, though.

[Infinite Hope]

215. Ask Robertson or Falwell. They'll let you build it. Then you'd have one giant nut campus. n/t

[GoddessOfGuinness]

218. San Quentin might fund it.

It would certainly be an appropriate location.

[msedano]

219. If there is a god...

...she's Methodist.

[JDPriestly]

223. SMU has agreed and identified the site to be leased.

Meeting Feb. 22 in Dallas, the SMU Board of Trustees unanimously approved an agreement with the Foundation to locate the Center at SMU.

“It’s a great honor for SMU to be chosen as the site of this tremendous resource for historical research, dialogue and public programs,” said SMU President Turner. “At SMU, these resources will benefit from proximity to our strong academic programs, a tradition of open dialogue, experience hosting world leaders and a central location in a global American city. We thank President Bush for entrusting this important long-term resource to our community, and for the opportunity for SMU to serve the nation in this special way.”

http://www.smu.edu/newsinfo/announcements/

On February 22, 2008, the University trustees unaminously instructed President R. Gerald Turner to enter into an agreement to establish the George W. Bush Presidential Library on the southeast side of the campus. SMU has courted Bush on getting the library ever since Ray Lee Hunt broached the subject with the President shortly after he assumed office.<7>. The museum is likely to be joined by the George W. Bush Institute.

Donald L. Evans, head of the Library search committee, said they hope to break ground in 2009.<8>

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The Mission Council of the South Central Jurisdiction of the Methodist Church in March 2007 voted 10-5 with one abstaining in favor of a 99-year lease of 36 acres.

. . .


The library may also set the school trustees and Methodist Bishops who approved the transaction at odds with the South Central Jurisdiction of the Methodist Church which is the official governing body for the church in the region which includes SMU.

The Jurisdiction meets every four years and some bishops have questioned whether a small number interim Mission Council members should have the final say or whether it should be decided at the bigger South Central Jurisdiction level. The bigger South Central Jurisdiction is to have its regularly scheduled four year meeting in July 2008 in Dallas.<11> Some bishops in the church have disagreed with Bush over the Iraq War<12>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Methodist_University

Who makes decisions for The United Methodist Church if there is no one person in charge? Good question. The only body that can set official policy and speak for the denomination is the General Conference.

The General Conference is an international body of nearly 1,000 delegates that meets every four years. The delegates are elected by annual conferences (at annual conference sessions) to attend General Conference. They represent all annual conferences around the world. Half of the delegates are laity (non-clergy members), half are clergy.

. . . .

During General Conference, delegates discuss and vote on petitions and resolutions proposed by individuals, agencies, annual conferences, and other groups within the denomination. These actions result in a revision of the Book of Discipline, the denomination's book of law, and Book of Resolutions, policies of the denomination on current social issues.


http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1720699/k.528D/Structure__Organization_Governance.htm

The College of Bishops of the South Central Jurisdiction of The United Methodist Church approved the procedures used by the Board of Trustees of SMU in negotiating to lease land to the Bush Library.

www.umc.org/atf/cf/%7BDB6A45E4-C446-4248-82C8-E131B6424741%7D/ResolutionSMU.doc - 2007-02-09

It looks like the bishops of the South Central Jurisdiction do not strongly oppose the library. It might be difficult for SMU to get out of the agreement with the library organizers at this point.

This is a great embarrassment to Bush and his library, but whether it will stop the library, I don't know.

[Edith Ann]

276. If it doesn't stop the Library

The Methodist Conference should cut SMU loose and stop funding it. I don't want my money to go this school if they approve this library of torture. It could be South Dallas U. I hope it will be hard to ignore 844-20. Methodist's take the church back. John Wesley is turning in his grave.

[JDPriestly]

224. Trustees of SMU -- No wonder they approved the library.

CARL SEWELL
Sewell Automotive Companies
Chair

RICHARD WARE
Amarillo National Bank
Vice-Chair

MARK A. NERIO
Citicorp Data Systems Inc.
Secretary

RUTH ALTSHULER
Civic and Philanthropic Leader

MICHAEL M. BOONE
Haynes & Boone, LLP

BRADLEY W. BROOKSHIRE
Brookshire Grocery Company

LAURA WELCH BUSH
The First Lady of the United States

REV. KIRBYJON CALDWELL
Windsor Village United Methodist
Church

DONALD J. CARTY
Dell Corp

JEANNE TOWER COX
Civic Leader

REV. W. MARK CRAIG
Highland Park United
Methodist Church

GARY T. CRUM
CFP Foundation

LINDA PITTS CUSTARD
Custard/Pitts Land and Cattle Co.

ROBERT H. DEDMAN JR.
DFI Management (GP), Ltd.

FRANK M. DUNLEVY
SG Cowen Securities

JUAN L. ELEK
Elek, Moreno Valle Y Asociados

THOMAS J. ENGIBOUS
Texas Instruments Incorporated

GARY A. EVANS
Southern Methodist University
Faculty Senate President

ALAN D. FELD
Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer, & Feld

GERALD J. FORD
Diamond A Ford Corporation

ANDREW GALLOWAY
Southern Methodist University
Student Representative Trustee


JAMES R. GIBBS
Frontier Oil Corporation

MILLEDGE A. HART, III
Hart Group, Inc.

FREDERICK B. HEGI JR.
Wingate Partners

WARD L. HUEY JR.
Retired, A. H. Belo Corporation

RAY L. HUNT
Hunt Oil Company

GENE C. JONES
Civic and Philanthropic Leader

BISHOP SCOTT J. JONES
Kansas Area
The United Methodist Church

ROBERT A. LEACH
RBC Dain Rauscher

PAUL B. LOYD, JR.
LSL Partners

BOBBY LYLE
Lyco Holdings, Inc.

BISHOP ALFRED L. NORRIS
North Texas Conference
The United Methodist Church

CONNIE O'NEILL
Southern Methodist University
President, Alumni Assn.

H. ROSS PEROT JR.
Perot Systems Corporation

JEANNE L. PHILLIPS
Hunt Oil Company

CAREN H. PROTHRO
Civic and Philanthropic Leader

WILLIAM JOEL RAINER
Shortridge Academy

BISHOP ANN B. SHERER
Nebraska Area-Nebraska Conference
The United Methodist Church

HELMUT R. SOHMEN
World-Wide Shipping Group Ltd.

JOHN C. TOLLESON
Tolleson Wealth Management

R. GERALD TURNER
Southern Methodist University
ex officio

RICHARD J. WOOD
The Japan Society of New York

http://www.smu.edu/trustees/

[LibertyorDeath]

227. What's the Problem ?

[eringer]

271. Looks like the Bush Terriorist Rhetoric Backfired on Him

I am sure that they rejected the library for security reasons. Besides GWB and library is a contradiction in terms. Maybe they can build it at one of the Nascar raceways or where they put on those gun shows.

[JPZenger]

247. Would include a partisan institute

If it was just a library and museum, it wouldn't be that bad. However, the proposal also includes a politically partisan institute, which may be run by Karl Rove.

[bmbmd]

248. I knew this was too good to be true.

The general vote was to refer the petition back to the South Central Jurisdiction. Typical of the United Methodist Church (of which I am a life-long member) to refuse to take a stand on anything substantive. The south Central Jurisdiction is composed of lots and lots of southern evangelical types- the so-called "Goodn News" movement. Nothing will change-the library will be built. The uber right wing think tank will be established. Gays will still burn in hell. This thread should be locked, because this just isn't true.

[Erin Elizabeth]

260. I always suspected it would end up at A&M anyway

along with daddy's liberry.

Good for the United Methodist church.

[BrotherBuzz]

268. I think a little Schadenfreude is more than appropriate here

:rofl:

[MBS]

269. fantastic! : ) n/t

[fascisthunter]

272. Just Imagine Being a President and So Despised by the Majority

that only a very small extremist, border-line segment of America liking you? Even with Penatgon TV (Fox News) they still can't get Americans to like him. Pitiful...

[tabasco]

277. They know he is a war criminal and traitor.

This rejection will remain an honor to the Methodist Church.

[olddad56]

278. They should force Yale to house it on their campus.