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Astrad Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:17 AM
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Al-Qaeda 'declares war on Hezbollah'
Source: PressTV

Al-Qaeda has reportedly called on its operatives to go to Lebanon and defend what it called the Sunni community of the country.

The report came while some Arab media outlets described the current clashes in Lebanon as a fight between Sunni and Shia communities.

In an interviews with Sunni clerics with links to Saad Hariri's pro-government bloc, Al-Arabiya TV network described the ongoing clashes as a sectarian strife.


Read more: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=54916§ionid=351020203



So much for 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:23 AM
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1. so glad this ancient conflict is flaring up again
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:29 AM
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2. It's the bogeyman again...
Edited on Sat May-10-08 08:43 AM by mac2
Shall we get on the roof and look out for them? Send our military like the failure in Iraq and Afghanistan? Reagan and Bush created these enemies called Al-Qaeda. Whether they exist or not is a good question. False flags all of it to send us to war for their own profit and power.

Emm what do you suppose they have in mind? Yes...unending war. The formation of the Middle East Union of which the Neo Cons will rule for power and profit. There is an election and things can't be as they are now.

What did Nancy and George talk about behind closed doors? Another war? The new military rule for Empire? Their popularity polls are looking pretty bad. Guess another war might improve it?

"So much for 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'" Astrad. President George Washington said wisely, we could ruin our democracy by fighting the enemy of friends. We've already done this with Iraq for Israel and the European Royal elite. We are bankrupt and can hardly run this country on our own now. We owe "our friends" China, Japan, and the British trillions. They have too much power over us and may abuse it. We are not our own master thanks to this administration.

How much health care, education, infrastructure could that buy us? We are worse off than before those DC politicians went to war to free Iraq and attack Afghanistan for 911. Old people worry about their money gone with the low dollar, lost benefits, and bad health care, etc.

We the people demanded a different direction and out of Iraq yet they ignore us. It is for Empire and we don't want it. It's always a new hook and a new line. I ain't taking the story as true.

Impeach Bush and demand Pelosi step down as Democratic leader. We've only had more leadership into war and debt. They make us less safe and in great danger. Not from Al-Qeada but bankruptcy and a future of poverty. We have lost control over our democracy,borders,future, and goals. Did Bin Laden do that?

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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:15 PM
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11. What do you think of the Apartheid Wall between North Korea and South Korea?
President George Washington said wisely, we could ruin our democracy by fighting the enemy of friends. We've already done this with Iraq for Israel and the European Royal elite.

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:37 PM
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15. We didn't go to war with Iraq for Israel
We invaded Iraq for oil. Save your jewish global domination conspiracies for other threads and your klan meetings please.

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Anyways on topic.. This is what you get when you destabilize a region. We keep unsettling things over there and this chaos is what results.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:23 PM
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26. I cant remember exactly what Kucinich said in 2002 but he said...
there were 3 reasons for the war, oil, something about Israel and I cant remember the last? Do you remember him saying it and if so, what was his reasoning with Israel, I cant remember? I know oil was the main reason but I do remember him mentioning two other things and one had something to do with Israel?

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:22 AM
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37. It's the Zionist plan for Empire.
Not that the people of Israel approve.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:02 PM
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16. Same thing.
They told my brother who was stationed near the border, or agreed on dividing line at that time, to take his gun and run like hell during the Pueblo incident. He didn't get to fly out like the officers.

The leaders of North Korea are like any other two bit dictators and robbers in history. They exist because they take the power...even paid for it by those would divide (Korea) for power.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:02 AM
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3. It's really going to confuse McCain this time.
Now he's got to figure out Hezbollah, too. Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, Shiite, Lebanon - it will take 100 years to sort it all out.

Fortunately, he has a wise mentor with a proven track record to whom he can turn.

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:09 AM
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4. House of Saud puppets vs Mullahs puppets. decisions/decisions.
the weaker, disorganized Sunni block vs the better funded and locally organized Shia block.

Nobody wants to hear from the locals living on those city blocks
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b79_1210419730
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:52 AM
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5. noting the source (Iran) it looks like someone there watched WAG THE DOG
In the movie, Dustin Hoffman & Robert DeNiro manufacture a fake war to cover up a presidential sex scandal shortly before an election. But halfway through, the president's opponent, with the help of the CIA, declares the war over.

In this case, by saying our mostly imaginary enemy is at war with their proxies, Iran has planted the seeds of a different ''enemy of my enemy'' equation.

So some mouth-breathing Fox-watcher might think, "Hey, if I-ran is at war with al Qaeda like us, they caint be all bad.''

Or at the very least, they will be confused.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:19 AM
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36. They don't care about us because others have more money to bribe them.
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people." Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican progressive reformer).

The name of the secret elite organizations have changed but there are still people in them doing what they did during Vietnam, etc.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:06 AM
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6. Arent they kinda the same?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:26 AM
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7. Al-Qaeda has reportedly called on its operatives to go to Lebanon
The report came while some Arab media outlets described the current clashes in Lebanon as a fight between Sunni and Shia communities.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=54916§ionid=351020203

Does this mean attacks against civilians in Iraq will drop as 'freedom fighters' will march onto the shores of Tripoli?

Time will tell if mahdi army funds are redirected to the new front if they are one in the same.

imo

It's a case of Muslim brother fighting Muslim brother with western aid pouring in to bind the wounds after the Lebanese govt falls.

"Mission accomplished"?




Israel Radio has just reported that Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Saniora (pictured) will resign tonight.

The report comes from two television stations, NBN and an Iranian station. In return, Hezbullah will withdraw its forces from Beirut.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:16 AM
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8. I don't think he resigned, latest headline: Lebanon’s PM urges army to restore order
Lebanon’s PM urges army to restore order
By Ferry Biedermann in Beirut

Published: May 10 2008 16:03 | Last updated: May 10 2008 16:03

In a defiant televised address, Fouad Siniora, Lebanon’s besieged western-backed prime minister, urged the military to restore order.

~snip~
The army said in a statement on Saturday that it was keeping Beirut airport’s head of security, a Shia, in his post and that it would handle a controversial Hizbollah communications network in a way "that would not harm public interest and the security of the resistance".

~snip~
Mr Siniora, himself surrounded in his office in the centre of Beirut, on Saturday reiterated proposals for a political compromise that have already been rejected by Hizbollah.

He called for the immediate election of a president and the formation of a government of national unity, but his proposals fell short of long-standing opposition demands.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4562cdfa-1e97-11dd-baa6-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:05 PM
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17. Remember that intelligence we got on the Iraq war?
How do we believe it?
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:41 PM
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27. Strange logic
Does this mean attacks against civilians in Iraq will drop as 'freedom fighters' will march onto the shores of Tripoli?


No. Because our mighty army with its fancy named slaughter tools (Predator drones, hellfire missiles) remains in Iraq to kill Iraqis. They don't go to Lebanon. At least not at the moment.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/17214

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:58 PM
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29. So you think the attacks on funeral mourners will spike up in Iraq?
Most civilians are killed in open air markets or attending religious functions. Freedom fighters proudly claim those attacks as justified under their laws

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f9_1210432408

of course, take the translation with a grain of salt if you don't like to hear from people who live in Iraq that are not properly vetted by the US MSM ;)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:21 PM
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13. That's what I thought.
:shrug:
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:50 AM
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9. I see the cia is using their puppets to make more war.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:05 PM
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18. Lie after lie is the MO.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:50 AM
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10. Alright!!! Now America can befriend al Qaeda (again) and use them (again)
against Hezbollah!

Coz we never fucking learn.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:06 PM
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20. No we get to free Lebanon from those horrible people.
How many countries are we going to "free" while ours goes in the dumps?
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:18 PM
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12. isnt that kind of like klansmen attacking neo nazis?
not every conflict is a problem
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:07 PM
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22. With the Jews backing the Klan against the Neo-nazis.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 03:18 PM by happyslug
The last time I check the Christians in the Area are backing the Hezbollah against the Sunnis.

One the main "Christian" Group in Lebanon (It is technically Secular, but majority Christian):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Patriotic_Movement

From the Christian Free Patriotic Movement:
http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/en-US/128548262159447750.htm
http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/en-US/128548184459249210.htm

Remember in the Civil war of the 1980s it was the Christians vs the Muslims (With Christians and Muslims on both sides, with the Israel opposing the Syrians who backed the Christians). In Southern Lebanon the Christians were recruited by the Israelis as the Israelis pulled out of Beirut. From the 1980s till the Israel pull out of Southern Lebanon, the Christians were slowly replaced by Shiites but Hezbollah opposed the Israeli occupation. By the end of the Israeli Occupation the "South Lebanon's Army" was almost all Shiites maned, but opposed by Hezbollahs, even after the Israeli pulled out of Southern Lebanon.

Yes, Lebanon is a mess and has been a mess since before WWI, when the French occupied it after the Turks were driven out.

More on the South Lebanon Army:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:09 PM
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24. Lebanon lived in peace with all kinds of religious people.
It is the Empire Builders who are destroying it.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:19 PM
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25. No real disagreement, just trying to keep the parties straight
n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:37 PM
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14. It would be so easy to blame George W. Bush for this...
...so I think I will.

I blame George W. Bush for this.:mad:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:07 PM
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21. All black dots go back to his lies and aggression plans.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:06 PM
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19. Good. Let them destroy each other.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:08 PM
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23. Who the Neo Cons for PNAC?
Impeach them before they destroy us all.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:31 PM
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28. That is a sick post. Shame seeing it here.
Glad it doesn't represent the Progressive cause towards coexistence of all people.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:56 PM
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30. People can continue to exist even if they belong to neither Al-Qaeda nor Hezbollah.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:05 AM
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35. But you are calling for the destruction of people. And that is unacceptable.
It stops right there. Unacceptable.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:11 PM
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38. Can you quote where I called for the destruction of people?
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AznLittleBile Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:05 PM
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31. Another Bush failure
Is he the worst ever or what?
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:05 PM
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32. Not Bush failure but plan.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:10 PM
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33. .
:eyes:
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tidy_bowl Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 10:39 AM
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34. I dispise all religous fascists...let them kill each other for all I care. nt.
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