Man opens fire outside California church

[RamboLiberal]

Source: CNN

A man with a rifle opened fire near a church Saturday morning in the San Fernando Valley and wounded three people, Los Angeles police said.

The intended victim was the gunman's 30-year-old ex-girlfriend, according to CNN affiliate KTLA. The ex-girlfriend was struck in the shoulder and is in stable condition at a local hospital, KTLA reported.

A second victim was in stable condition and a third was in critical condition, Los Angeles police spokeswoman Norma Eisenman said.

The man in critical condition was shot in the chest. He is 45. Another man, 47, was struck in the leg and is in stable condition, reported KTLA.

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The suspect was reloading his weapon when he was tackled by several witnesses who were volunteers at the church festival. The shooter put up a fight, struggling and taunting people as they were trying to take him down. KTLA said the suspect and the weapon were taken into custody near the church, St. John Baptist de la Salle Parish in the Granada Hills area of Los Angeles.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/17/church.shootings/index.html

[villager]

1. Someone better inform those shooting victims that guns were keeping them safer!

n/t

[Duke Newcombe]

4. I'm wondering if it is necessary to leverage the tragedy of folks to make anti-gun snark.

Just sayin'

Duke

[Crunchy Frog]

6. This sort of event is relevant to the gun debate.

:shrug:

[darue]

28. well the "gun debate" is never going to lead to people not getting hunting rifles

so this sort of thing will never be prevented by any conceivable law.

[benEzra]

75. Hunting rifles are mostly irrelevant, since 4 out of 5 gun owners are nonhunters.

It's our nonhunting guns that we're worried about.

[saigon68]

76. Well put

The Wisconsin DNR sold 950,000 deer licenses last year.

[krispos42]

8. But... but... California has an assault weapons ban!

and they're all registered with the gov't!!!

Obvious this was supposed to happen in Kansas, where they recently dropped the prohibition against owning fully-automatic weapons. The shooter must have just gotten confused, that's all. Wrong turn on the interstate or something.

[iverglas]

38. no, you're confused

People don't do bad things with rifles, remember? The people who got shot in this report were the ones who were confused first, and you fell for it.

Rifles are insignificant in the grand scheme of violent crime and homicide. Nothing to see here. And if anybody says there is, they're guilty of the grossest misuse of anecdote.

As I understand it all. Did I get it right?

[beevul]

43. Strawman.

"People don't do bad things with rifles, remember?"


Strawman, and you well know it.

"Rifles are insignificant in the grand scheme of violent crime and homicide."

Thats a lot closer to reality.

[rdenney]

93. No assault weapon was used in this needless bloody gun-slaughter.

[matt007]

19. only a few more guns in the mix could have saved lives

maybe if some people in the choir had 45 automatics they could have stopped it all

why do people insist on guns= safety? Human beings are unpredictable emotional wildcards by nature. Guns dont mix well with this fact.

Incidents like this should make gun nuts see the idiocy in their way of thinking. But it wont....they'll just keep drinking the NRA cool aid

[krispos42]

23. Yeah, because civilian disarmament works so well?

Tell that to the Brits. Their homicide rate is at record highs.

But their GUN homicide rate is at record lows. Look, over there, behind those stabbed corpses! Progress!!!

[bulloney]

26. That's why I have a problem with the push to allow college students to pack guns.

I remember a lot of the people I was around during my college days. They regularly got drunk and disorderly. They were argumentative about anything. If guns were made legal for college students, what would make the campus safer if they were in the hands of people like the ones I'm referring to?

[slackmaster]

48. Why is it that bird-brained strawman comments like this are ALWAYS made by gun banners

And almost never by people who support the right to keep and bear arms?

[Speaker]

52. maybe if some people in the choir had 45 automatics they could have stopped it all

Perhaps, but we know that the lack of firearms among the victims resulted in three wounded.

[superconnected]

65. We don't know that firearms would have prevented anything.

We do know that the more people that get fire arms, the more things like this happens.

How many mass stabbings in churches has England had since gun ban anyway?

[rdenney]

90. Problem is that the US doesnt ban all guns like most nations so we have mass shootings on a regular

basis. If we controlled guns like they do in the UK we wouldnt have all these incedents of gun-fire and needless deaths.

[benEzra]

109. You think most nations "ban all guns"?

The UK bans practically all guns, yes (you can own sniper-style rifles and some shotguns in the UK, but that's about it). Australia also bans most guns.

Most other nations don't, although there may be more red tape involved.

This photo is from a gun enthusiast in France:



That's a non-automatic civilian AR-15 (NOT an M16), which is popular in France. It also happens to be the most popular centerfire target rifle in the United States.

We do, however, have a much greater rich/poor gap than France does; we work much longer hours than the French (or anyone else, even Japan) with the least time off; we have great disparities in access to health care and mental health care; and we take an insanely militaristic approach to the drug issue that creates a $50+ billion underground industry, and the accompanying turf wars and drug-related violence.

We OWN guns in this country, a fact that crosses all political, religious, and ethnic lines (half of U.S. gun owners are Dems and indies, FWIW). We'll keep them, thanks.

[S_B_Jackson]

29. How so? Los Angeles is nearly as phobic of legal concealed carry as is...

San Francisco, and only rarely grants permits. Add to it, California's relative antipathy to firearms in recent years, and it would seem to run contrary to your implied argument.

[IronLionZion]

107. Why don't they just outlaw murder?

:shrug:

[LuckyLib]

2. Yet another example of the "If I can't have you, nobody can."

Keep your crap detector finely tuned, ladies, lots of guys out there with such twisted thinking.

[mike_c]

3. this wouldn't have happened if all those folks had been armed....

If the whole crowd had guns they could have had a pitched gun battle. Oh wait....

[krispos42]

7. How soon you forget the Colorado Springs *ATTEMPTED* mass shooting

You know, the one where an armed private citizen gunned down a nutcase that tried to do the same thing?

[Lautremont]

9. Wasn't she a security guard?

[mike_c]

13. yup, and who gets to pick WHICH private citizen gets to be...

...the armed hero? Better that no one is walking around with concealed firearms.

[Speaker]

45. Apparently...

the shooter in this story got to be "walking around with concealed firearms" and shoot the hell out of people who weren't.
Why didn't your gun laws stop this buttfuck?

Oh, he didn't obey your gun laws.

:rofl:

[krispos42]

14. She was a former cop with a pistol. She volunteered to be a guard.

She wasn't like a Pinkerton or anything. If Colorado had a no-guns-in-church law she could not have legally carried her pistol.

[Lautremont]

27. So she was a security guard.

[krispos42]

31. Sorta

The connotation of "security guard" is a little different, I think. "Security volunteer"?

[maxidivine]

96. no, she wasn't

[benEzra]

80. She was a parishioner with a CHL and a personally owned Beretta 9mm

who volunteered to attend church armed, as informal security, with the pastor's consent.

Had she been an official security guard, it would have been illegal for her to carry her Beretta; local and/or state ordinances applicable to Colorado Springs restricted actual security guards to .38 Special revolvers. She wasn't a security guard, so she was free to carry the 9mm.

That church didn't have any hired security, just armed parishioners.

[maxidivine]

95. No, she was not

She was a member of the congregation, one of three members who had volunteered to attend extra services and basically be available for situations exactly like the one that happened.

[squawk7700]

16. When seconds count, call the police. They can be there in minutes.

...

[JDPriestly]

37. When people start carrying guns to church . . . . .

[Speaker]

53. Apparently

this guy brought a gun to church.

[Blaq Dem]

67. ...then there will be bitter people clinging to guns and religions

[maxidivine]

97. People who carry guns going to church

and people carrying guns to church are two different things, this man carried a gun to a church to shoot people, whereas people who carry a gun regularly and go to church are in a bit of a different boat.

[Popol Vuh]

5. Nothing like a crime such as this

to bring out the anti-gun, constitution hating crowd to blame it on the gun.

Listen geniuses for every victim of gun violence there are as many or more (me included) who are still alive today because of the right to defend ourselves with a gun.

Do you people really believe that if guns were outlawed (like drugs) that there wouldn't be anymore gun violence? If so I have the most beautiful intergalactic spaceship I could sell you for just 5k. She's a beauty with candy apple pearlescent red, tinted windows, custom leather interior and very fast.

Crime sucks, especially violence. But unfortunately there's always going to be dickheads who decide they're going to hurt someone else. And for that reason only there should be no doubt about the right to own a weapon to effectively defend yourself.

This reminds me of a news article I remember reading some years ago about a little boy who, for christmas, got a little .22 caliber rifle from his father who was separated. His mother objected to owning guns and said the gun would have to be gotten rid of. But before that happened a late night intruder broke into her house. The intruder was assaulting her in her bedroom and about to rape her. The little boy emptied his new rifle into the assailant attacking his mom. This person jumped through the window to escape the gunfire. Police found the man dead in the front yard of the house.

Stories such as this happen just as or more often than the one we read in OP.

[Lautremont]

10. Little kids going all Paul Kersey styles happens more often than school,

church or workplace shootings. I see. Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that the gun folks have a solid argument to back up their love of weaponry!

[Popol Vuh]

21. "Love of weaponry"?

So are you saying that standing up for the right to defend one's self is "love" of weaponry? Wouldn't this be the same as saying: "love of abortion" for those who defend choice? or "love of flag burning" for those who defend freedom of speech and expression? What a clear choice of words to belittle and to way over emphasize something. Taken right of the the neo-con swift boat tactics.

So I guess with the folks who "love" to hate the constitution and the human right to self defense. A person who believes its a right to defend themselves is a person who "loves" weaponry. :crazy:




(disclaimer): I fully support a woman's right to her body and to choose an abortion....and....the right of free speech and expression which is flag burning.

[Speaker]

50. Damn fine post n/t.

[LanternWaste]

55. No more, nor no less than...

"So are you saying that standing up for the right to defend one's self is "love" of weaponry?"

No more, nor no less than saying that one who believes there should be additional regulation is a "constitution hater"

Quite of bit of dramatic over-achieving on both side of the aisle it would seem.

[iverglas]

39. "geniuses"

Listen geniuses for every victim of gun violence there are as many or more (me included) who are still alive today because of the right to defend ourselves with a gun.

Like the people who make statements like that. Harharhar.

Funny how it's only people who happen to have pistols in their pants whom these things happen to.

I mean ... if it happened to normal people ... there'd obviously be a few dozen thousand more of them dead every year, wouldn't there?

Nobody ever seems to have an answer to that one. How all these murderous bad guys were so stupid as to overwhelmingly pick on the people with the pistols in their pants ...

[Popol Vuh]

49. *Sigh*

Here you go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6424465

[iverglas]

59. uh ... sure ...

And it isn't even my birthday.

Now, here's what you said:

Listen geniuses for every victim of gun violence there are as many or more (me included) who are still alive today because of the right to defend ourselves with a gun.

And here's what I said:

Funny how it's only people who happen to have pistols in their pants whom these things happen to.
I mean ... if it happened to normal people ... there'd obviously be a few dozen thousand more of them dead every year, wouldn't there?
Nobody ever seems to have an answer to that one. How all these murderous bad guys were so stupid as to overwhelmingly pick on the people with the pistols in their pants ...

And dog knows what your little present had to do with that. But heck, here's one for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=169547#170004

Maybe you'll be the one to show us the math that demonstrates that for every victim of gun violence there are as many or more who are still alive today because of the right to defend ourselves with a gun. Because unfortunately, on the face of it, that's just one of the dumbest claims ever made.

[raccoon]

46. That's your OPINION, nothing backs it up.

"Listen geniuses for every victim of gun violence there are as many or more (me included) who are still alive today because of the right to defend ourselves with a gun."

[rdenney]

91. Or so YOU claim. Prove it. nt

[primavera]

72. "Constitution hating"?

Dude, the Constitution as it is and has always been understood by Constitutional scholars and the courts, interprets the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as being linked to the maintenance of a well-regulated militia, and not imparting any right to keep and bear arms to any and everyone. It is because the Constitution does not guarantee an absolute right to own arms that the regulation of certain types of guns is not unconstitutional. Admitted, the NRA has been pushing for ages now to get the courts to reinterpret the Constitution as imparting an absolute right for anyone and everyone to own and operate any and all weapons of mass destruction, and their efforts may very well be rewarded with the DC handgun ban case being considered by our present cherry-picked, ultra right wing Supreme Court. But for the time being, the Second Amendment does not impart the unequivocal right you imagine it does, so calling someone "Constitution hating" for not sharing your longed-for but as of yet unrealized interpretation of it is a bit inappropriate.

[lanlady]

111. Best. Post. Ever.

I've had the same argument with gun enthusiasts many times: if there's an absolute private citizen's right to bear arms, why can't we all download the nuclear launch codes? And all I ever hear in response is strawman! strawman! In other words, the usual response when you've picked their logic apart and they don't have a leg to stand on.

[beevul]

112. Anybody that thinks...

Anybody that thinks the second amendment is anything other than a restriction on governmental power, is either being dishonest, or has an agenda.

Furthermore, your statement that "is and has always been understood by Constitutional scholars and the courts, interprets the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as being linked to the maintenance of a well-regulated militia" is false on its face. One can not say such a thing, and have a clear understanding of Miller. The colectivist view is 40 years old. The individual rights view is as old as the amendment itself.

As for my assertion that the second amendment is a restriction on governmental power...I didn't make it up. It actually says so right there in the bill of rights:

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

http://billofrights.org/


One can not say that the second amendment is something other than a restriction on governmental power without completely ignoring the very first paragraph of that document itself.

The operative restriction aimed squarely at governmental power, is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Again, as the document itself says, thats a restrictive clause, as mentioned in the paragraph I quoted. To deny such a thing is to deny reality. What shall not be infringed, is the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The "militia clause" is simply a justification clause, that tells why the right of the people...shall not be infringed. It is not a qualifier or a conditional.

[rdenney]

86. Never heard about that story....probably some gun nuts' wet dream.

[Tejas]

101. here, just for you

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle1998/libe38-19980619-05.html

The Elko Daily Free Press reports that on April 7 of this year, an unnamed 15-year-old boy in that northern Nevada community tried to stop an intruder from beating his mother, but found he was not strong enough to do so. The lad therefore raced into his mother's bedroom, retrieving a .22 semiautomatic handgun, loaded several rounds into the magazine, inserted the magazine into the weapon, returned, and fired at the assailant three times, hitting him twice and killing him.
"He is credited with saving the life of his mother, and possibly the 3-year-old child also present," the newspaper reports. "The mother suffered a broken cheekbone, a broken nose, several bruises on her body, and a cut to her forehead from the attack."
"It seems to me to be a fairly clear-cut case of self-defense," said D.A. Gary Woodbury, in which case "an inquest is not warranted."





http://www.kressworks.com/Politics/Gun_Control/dgu/Armed_Citizen_1998.txt

According to Elko County, Nevada, Sheriff Neil Harris, a man who had befriended and later stalked Tracy
Templeton deliberately waited until Templeton’s husband was away one morning before entering the
couple’s house. The man beat Templeton in the face with the heel of his hand in an attempt to deliver a
tactical blow designed to kill. But Templeton’s 15-year-old son, who was in the house along with his three-year-
old brother, came to his mother’s rescue. He first attempted to pull the man away, then ran into the
bedroom, where he grabbed a semi-automatic .22 cal. handgun. When he returned, he fired three shots,
killing the attacker. Templeton suffered a deep cut over her right eye, a broken cheek bone, a broken nose,
and bruises. The assailant had been released from jail the previous night after serving time for stalking.
(Elko Daily Free Press, Elko, NV, 04/10/98)

[matt007]

11. BAN GUNS NOW

oh im sure everyone would have been safer if everyone was armed. Now they want to be able to carry guns on campus. What if there is a bad breakup or someone snaps because they failed a class. Gun nuts are short sighted idiots

[krispos42]

15. If there is a bad breakup or somebody snaps...

...a shiny metal "Gun-Free Zone" sign isn't going to stop them, now is it?

[matt007]

17. Of course it doesnt. That doesnt mean make guns ok on campus

This isnt dodge city wild west. Permitting guns on campuses is a HUGE step backwards.

[krispos42]

18. Then what harm will be done?

And why are campuses special?

And why is having people forcibly disarmed "progress"?

[matt007]

20. because.............

ARMED HUMAN BEINGS CREATE MORE DANGEROUS VARIABLES IN SITUATIONS LIKE THESE. Especially if they have no authority or training or concept of discretion. Its just gasoline on a fire.

[krispos42]

22. Yeah, that's what keeps being said

Except that colleges in Utah and I believe Washington state do not prohibit licenced concealed-carry on their campuses, and they have not had a problem yet.

But I have not heard why college campuses are special from any other place adults go.

[Tejas]

110. There you go again,

replying with logic, funny how the gun-grabbers just scurry away.

[rdenney]

92. You have bullets flying all around, and some innocent people will get hurt.

[maxidivine]

98. That's right, bullets just fly all around

and no one has any control over where they go, or when they go, or what they go into.

[jody]

30. Dem Party says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms". Are the majority

"Gun nuts . . . short sighted idiots"?

[rdenney]

87. No one really believes that nonsense. Democrats have always been for gun control and always

will be. :patriot:

[Speaker]

54. What if there is a bad breakup or someone snaps because they failed a class.

Said douche nozzle will bring a gun to class, regardless of the law.

[regnaD kciN]

12. Damn...I know that church...

It was just a few blocks away from my apartment during grad school. I went there a couple of times during my Roman Catholic days. :-(

[Wcross]

24. "KTLA said the suspect and the weapon were taken into custody"????

Uh, thank goodness they got BOTH the culprits in custody! Geez, if they hadn't "taken the gun into custody" it might have wandered off and shot somebody else! I wonder if they are going to play both the suspects against the other while they questioning them?

This is further proof that some idiots blame the gun as much as the person who pulls the trigger.

[merwin]

25. Something similar happened at my college in 2001.

My dad was one of the people who tackled the gunman while reloading. Killed his ex with a semi-automatic gun.

http://www.washapp.org/Opinion.aspx?id=70

[WildClarySage]

32. Why is this turning into a gun issue instead of a women's health

issue? Domestic violence against women is what this is really about. Some of y'all got some seriously screwed up priorities to get more emotional about the weapon used than the actual crime committed, IMHO.

[MountainLaurel]

36. I've often wondered the same thing

:shrug:

[iverglas]

40. firearms are a women's health issue

[Speaker]

56. firearms are a women's health issue

Absolutely. Women who carry a concealed firearm tend to get butt raped less often than women who don't.

[iverglas]

57. ah

enjoyed that image, did you?

Something smelly is leaking out of the dungeon, I think.

[Speaker]

69. The folks who want rapists to have a successful career...

are the ones who probably have scary fantasies.

;)

[iverglas]

77. see any of them around here?

Or prefer to just keep up the filthy innuendo your sort thrives on?

[rdenney]

88. The gun nutz have huge sexual hangups, IMO. Thats why they worship those metal penises.

[Tejas]

100. SO - females that like firearms have sexual hangups? n/t

[mikelgb]

106. no, because they are expected to have guns so they don't get 'butt raped'...

sigh

[RadiationTherapy]

74. Truly insensitive and disgusting. Immature and intentionally confrontational.

You have demeaned yourself and those who have been raped.

[iverglas]

84. and they aren't through yet ...

One thinks one won't be surprised, and yet one is.

[-..__...]

81. Wrong answer!

Guns are a womyns worst enemy!!!

The correct response is...

A) Dial 911

B) Just say "No"! (repeat as oftentimes as necessary).

C) Carry pepper spray.

D) Scream for help or carry a "rape whistle". (I'd love to meet genius the that came up with that brainstorm).

E) Just submit, lay back and enjoy it.

Oh yeah... for the unenlightened or dense...

:sarcasm:

[slackmaster]

71. A person without a bunch of axes to grind would say violent crime is a health problem for all people

Particularly young men and non-whites.

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

47. What about the man's obvious MENTAL health problem?

:shrug:

[iverglas]

58. what about the fact that a man with an obvious mental health problem

WAS IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM?




:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[slackmaster]

60. If his problem had been treated, the firearm wouldn't be a problem

OTOH if he had no firearm we'd still have a dangerously disturbed person running around loose.

[iverglas]

61. when you discover the cure for psychosis

You let us know. Meanwhile, just keep giving people with delusions that make themselves dangerous to themselves and others firearms.

But meanwhile, I'm not even sure what your assertion that this was "a dangerously disturbed person" might be based on.

I'm gathering that this was just another angry abusive man using a firearm to settle a custody dispute.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/crime/la-me-shoot18-2008may18,0,4431224.story

A rifleman angered by a custody dispute with his ex-girlfriend opened fire Saturday at a parish school festival in Granada Hills this morning, wounding the woman and two other fair-goers before being tackled by bystanders and arrested by an off-duty police officer, authorities said.

Witnesses described scenes of terror and panic as the man nonchalantly brandished a .22-caliber rifle made to look like an M-16 assault rifle and fired into booths at the fair.

... Police said that Diaz was on parole for an unspecified crime and that a restraining order was in place to prevent him from being near the school or his son and ex-girlfriend.

What does the DSM-IV call that?

[slackmaster]

62. There is a cure

But the medical community has conspired with the pharmaceutical companies to keep it a secret. They bought the patent and have been sitting on it.

...What does the DSM-IV call that?

Sure sounds like Antisocial Personality Disorder to me.

I'm gathering that this was just another angry abusive man using a firearm to settle a custody dispute.

Or maybe he was driven to it by an abusive woman.

[iverglas]

63. one thinks one's capacity for surprise has been exhausted

and then one sees someone at Democratic Underground suggesting that a man was "driven to" take a firearm to a church/school event in order to kill his former intimate partner, and "driven to" shoot several people, by "an abusive woman".

Better to expose what's under the rock to daylight than for it to remain hidden though, eh?

[slackmaster]

64. Don't pretend to be surprised when your misandry leads to a tongue-in-cheek misogynous reply

You know damned well I'm not one to blame the victim for a violent crime, whereas whenever a gun is stolen and criminally misused you are always quick to blame the owner for not securing it up to your nebulous standards.

And your horseshit post saying that firearms are a womens' health issue. Men are far more likely to be victimized in violent crime. Crime is the problem, not guns, not men. But you never pass up a chance to try to cast the entire male gender as the only thing that's screwed up in this world.

The hypocrisy that exists on DU boggles the mind.

[iverglas]

66. like I said

Better it all be spewed forth into the light of day than fester and ooze undetected under the rock.

[rdenney]

89. Good point. Most gun nuts have serious mental health problems. They are scared of the "boogieman" .

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[NickB79]

34. It sounds like he was using a common hunting rifle

Let me guess, now we need to ban Grandpa's .30-30 too?

[Name removed]

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[pipoman]

41. The more I see things like this response,

the more I think all people in Tennessee are incapable of logic. They just are, sorry.

The more I see things like this: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/04/25/police_say_drunk_driver_killed_cyclist_in_crash/ the more I realize drivers are drunks. They just are, sorry.

The more I see things like this: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=4524752 the more I realize knife owners are crazy. They just are, sorry.

See how completely stupid these statements sound? Now go back and re-read your post.

[Endangered Specie]

42. Amazing how quickly the gun grabbers are to exploit the tragedy for their aims...

[beevul]

44. At least they're consistant.

I bet the attempted mass shooting at that church in Colorado that was stopped by a female volunter security guard drives them nuts.

[Endangered Specie]

51. not to mention the Appalachan Law School shooting...

[beevul]

68. And the pearl HS shooting in Mississippi...

"Woodham drove his mother's car to his high school. Wearing a long trenchcoat, he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he walked toward Lydia Dew and shot Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Both girls died. Pearl High School Band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing 5 feet from Dew when she was fatally shot. He went on to wound 7 others before Joel Myrick, the assistant principal, retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham while he was trying to drive off campus. When Myrick asked Woodham of his motive, he replied "Life has wronged me, sir". Woodham had been planning to drive to the Pearl Middle School to continue killing; Myrick's intervention prevented this from happening."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

[maxidivine]

102. "security guard security guard security guard"

they repeat to themselves with their fingers in there ears and eyes screwed shut.

"she wasn't a civilian, she wasn't a civilian, she wasn't a civilian"

and,

"ex-cop ex-cop ex-cop ex-cop ex-cop ex-cop"


Never just admitting that a private citizen nipped a mass shooting in the bud. Because that would challenge their fragile worldview.

[IronLionZion]

108. The fact that this happened in California, with strict gun laws, drives them nuts. nt

[Speaker]

103. They dance in the blood of the victims...

while it is still dripping on the floor.

[depakid]

70. I was just thinking it was getting past time for another mass shooting in America

they seems to be spaced about evenly between the meat recalls, and there was just another big one about 2 weeks ago.

[One_Life_To_Give]

73. Parole with a Restraining Order Opens Fire?

Curious how they don't mention that the alledged shooter is out on Parole and has a restraining order against him. Doesn't that mean that his being caught with a firearm in his possesion would be an automatic trip back to prison?

[iverglas]

78. interestingly, he didn't seem to care

Doesn't that mean that his being caught with a firearm in his possesion would be an automatic trip back to prison?

Much like most people ineligible to possess firearms who possess firearms don't seem to care. Much like anybody who commits any crime doesn't seem to care.

I wonder whether it might be a good idea to do something to actually make it difficult for people who are ineligible to possess firearms to acquire firearms.

Hmmmmmmmmm ...

[slackmaster]

79. You mean, like

Keeping them in prison?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x172434

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83. My thought exactly, but...

that wouldn't adhere to a "progressive" ideology (and we already incarcerate more people than any other "civilized" nation as it is).

No... lets pass more gun control laws instead and feel all warm, cozy and delightful about it.

Yeah... that works.

:eyes:

[rdenney]

85. Another reason we need to bring gun control to the platform again.

how many people are going to die before we get serious on gun control?

[pipoman]

94. Are you able to demonstrate

that gun control has had any impact what so ever on overall violence or homicides anyplace?

[CRF450]

99. How about a way of helping people with mental health problems

Instead of pointing the finger at an inanimate object.

Some people just lack logic, it seems that the anti-gunners are one of them.

[Speaker]

104. Another reason we need to bring gun control to the platform again.

That will ensure Republican control of the House, Senate, and White House for a couple decades.

[benEzra]

105. A few hundred thousand have died BECAUSE you brought bans to the table in '94.

Or do you think that raising magazine prices and requiring smooth muzzles on civilian AR-15's for ten years was worth the Iraq war, the Bush administration, and repub control of Congress 1994-2006?

There is common ground to be found on fighting gun violence. Outlawing popular lawfully owned guns, or ammunition/parts for them, or rifle handgrips that stick out, isn't it.