The View co-host brings up Prescott Bush's Nazi ties

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Source: The Raw Story

When host Whoopi Goldberg raised the issue of George W. Bush's comparing anyone who wants to talk to Iran or Syria with the appeasers of Nazi Germany on Monday's edition of ABC's The View, the panel erupted into furious debate.

"The Bush administration is out there talking to North Korea, talking to Syria," noted liberal Joy Behar. "Isn't that what diplomacy is about? This guy doesn't know the difference between the word 'diplomacy' and 'appeasement.' He's just stupid."

"One more point," continued Behar, pulling out a prepared statement. "It's very interesting and ironic that George Bush, Senior's -- er, George Bush, this one -- his grandfather -- this one -- the late -- I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but in this case it's fun -- he was a United States senator, Prescott Bush. Okay -- he was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."

"This is his grandfather," Behar continued. "He has no business talking to Jewish people when he's got this right in his backyard."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/The_View_talks_about_Prescott_Bush_0520.html

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[mdmc]

1. BFEE news on LBN

:toast:

[Delphinus]

2. Good for her!

Wonder how Elizabeth handled that little bit of truth.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

3. See for yourself...I also posted the video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=135002&mesg_id=135002

:patriot:

[Supersedeas]

48. thanks for the link

[femrap]

I watched the tape....that eliz...

is she on meth??? Yak yak yak on steroids.

I love your name...amerigo vespucci.

Thx for the link.

[ronnie624]

148. "How come it's unfair to talk about Obama's Backyard?"

:eyes:

Have I missed something about Obama's family profiteering by supporting NAZI's or something similar?

[Wizard777]

66. The same way Congress does.

She went deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid all at the same time.

[femrap]

95. I can't watch the show because of her....

she is like nails on a chalkboard. I love Joy Behar and Whoopi, but that eliz is just so strikingly a SHEEPLE....and her parents were good down to earth Hippies. I bet Mom wishes she had aborted...

[LiberalFighter]

102. Hopefully you pees in her loose panties!

And does it anytime she sees another reasonable person or hears them speak the truth.

[Heather MC]

119. She whined and said this has nothing to do with McCain, Bush is not running.

[shellgame26]

136. Elizabeth's head is probably still spinning

The View's token air-head is probably just worried about her taxes.

[chill_wind]

4. What is maddenning and of very little consolation

is just how much of this kind of information was available in 2000 and even more so in 2004.

But everybody who wrote a book or had an internet site on the BFEE was just another part of the lunatic fringe.

George Bush was protected at all costs by the empire loving, truth-hating MSM. Anything remotely sordid or unsavory was sanitized and buried all the way to China with a deliberate vengeance.


K&R

[Amerigo Vespucci]

6. I remember Matt Lauer's interview with Kitty Kelley when her book was released...

...he scowled at her...GLARED at her...lowered his voice and spat "HOW can you write a book like THIS about a SITTING PRESIDENT during a time of WAR?"

So yeah, the information's out there, but we're at war, so we shouldn;t say anything bad about the Bush family. Something like that.

:eyes:

:patriot:

[MessiahRp]

7. Matt Lauer's a scumbag

I will never forgive him for the slanderous hitjob he did on Michael Moore during the run up to F9/11.

I wish one of these times when they'd play "Where in the World is Matt Lauer" they'd just drop him off and leave him there.

Rp

[TheDebbieDee]

11. I also remember quite clearly Matt Lauer asking members

of the Bin Laden family if they had been allowed to fly back to Saudi Arabia after the 9/11 attacks while all the American commercial airliners were grounded.

I remember thinking, "What kind of effed-up journalism is this? That's like asking a criminal whether or not he's guilty and then using his answer as evidence that either absolves or convicts him of the crime!"

[mrreowwr_kittty]

128. It's like in 2000, when the MSM just accepted the word of the FL SOS

That voter suppression didn't take place.

[bulloney]

60. The next time I see "Where the fuck is Matt Lauer?" I wish they'd leave him in a volcano.

An active one at that.

[johnt66]

73. Well His wife got smart

From the news, Matt wife have left his ass, good.

[LiberalFighter]

107. Is that before or after their reconciliation?

[PretzelzRule]

80. Hear Hear!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LiberalFighter]

106. Lauer reportedly struggles with a fear of throwing up (emetophobia)

Shouldn't be too difficult to make him throw up.

[YDogg]

8. But, but, but ...

Isn't Matt's short haircut cute?? And, ah, where in the world is that hunk-a, hunk-a, burning host?? And isn't it wonderful that his second wife didn't follow through with her divorce?

:sarcasm:

[xxqqqzme]

10. FYI -

'...The Dutch-born model, who at the time was pregnant with the couple's third child, filed for divorce on Sept. 13, 2006 in Manhattan Supreme Court.<5> However, the couple subsequently reconciled and live with their children in New York City....'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Lauer

[YDogg]

49. yes.

[mitchum]

39. No,that haircut tsn't cute; it doesn't hide the balding at all...

and it makes his anteater nose look even more...well...anteaterish

[femrap]

98. Yes....anteater.....that's it!!!! thx! nt

[femrap]

96. I can't stand him....everytime I think of him, I

envision his pointy nose sticking up Jeffery Immelt's ass (CEO of GE). Who the hell thinks he's cute??? A fucking cue ball hair-do. UCK!

I bet he's a nightmare to live with. I hear he likes everything CLEAN....but will only clean when his wife and children are on vacation.

[Chan790]

100. I have that haircut!

It was recommended to me to hide my retreating hairline and sparseness. It's not my fault that I'm losing my hair. x(

If it looks so terrible then make an alternate suggestion.

[femrap]

104. What's wrong with a receding hairline?

I am so sick of bald white guys....you all look like Nazis....grow what hair you have. You are not a Black man who can carry off the bald.

HAIR. I WANT TO SEE HAIR!!!! I don't care if it's just what is left around the lower part of the head...it's hair. Hair is good. Everyone, well almost, loses hair....enjoy what you have. Gives us women something to grab hold of....if you get my drift. lol!

[FatDave]

129. Thank you for affirming my balding shagginess! (nt)

[femrap]

162. I'm pro-shagginess! nt

[LiberalFighter]

108. I wonder if his wife and children take a lot of vacations

[gatorboy]

13. Where in the World is Matt Lauer?

Up George Bush's ass, of course.

[Raster]

125. Playing golf with Flush Limpballs. Yes, they are golfing buddies.

I wonder if Matt Liar also shares Limpballs tastes for Oxycontin and underage prostitutes?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

17. I remember that Matt Lauer/Kitty Kelley interview...

...On the same show Matt Lauer interviewed Jeb Bush's ex-wife (a source for Kelley's book). The ex-wife was the one who told Kelley all about the Bush boys drug escapades back when Sr was president.

But when Jeb's ex was interviewed she said she was told not to speak about the past anymore. I though she seemed scared.

[Jane Austin]

24. Jeb Bush has an ex-wife?

Do you mean Neil Bush?

[catzies]

32. Good catch! It was Neil's ex-wife, Sharon, who was interviewed in Kelley's book

Which, BTW, is a heckuva read.

[klyon]

55. We were not at war in 2000 and no one said a thing on the MSM.

People tried but no one paid the slightest attention to the drug parties, the abortion, the drinking, the awol, the failed business, the ties to Saudi Arabia. Nothing was ever mentioned that was negative. He was the dream candidate.

[rucognizant]

72. It came out closer to 2004 didn't it?

Our local importer of immigrant labor, read it; at least she voted Dem., but one of her kids ( voting age) told me he thought Bush was "Kool"!

[davekriss]

68. That's an understatement

Bush is in fact the ersatz leader sold to us by the 5 multinationals that own 99% of the major media. This from a DU post in 2002/2003:

And as for the damn liberal media:

There were exactly 704 stories in the campaign about (the) flap of Gore inventing the Internet. There were only 13 stories about Bush failing to show up for his National Guard duty for a year. There were well over 1,000 stories -- Nexus stopped at 1,000 -- about Gore and the Buddhist temple. Only 12 about Bush being accused of insider trading at Harken Energy. There were 347 about Al Gore wearing earth tones, but only 10 about the fact that Dick Cheney did business with Iran and Iraq and Libya.

The post was made by Crewleader who had a subscription to LexisNexus. I'd search for and cite the post if we weren't at defcon whatever (the advanced search function is shut off right now).

That was 2,051 anti-Gore articles vs. 35 anti-Bush during the 2000 election cycle. Hmmm. Of course, the Gore articles were primarily about fluff versus what, for the case of GWB and Cheney, any open mind would equate to "high crimes and misdemeanors". No wonder the vast casually minded center gave Bush enough votes to enable him to steal the Presidency! (Bring back the Fairness Doctrine, the Editorial Rule, and the Rule of Sevens!)

[Supersedeas]

160. the audacity of truth -- the peevish corp. media would never dare tell

[CJCRANE]

5. Republicans have such a lack of imagination.

They always say "what will you talk to them about?".

Stupid f***ers don't even realise that's what diplomats are trained and paid for.

Did Tony Blair and Bill Clinton give up in the Northern Ireland peace process because they didn't know what to talk about?
No, of course not.

:shrug:

[Seeking Serenity]

9. I may be a bit dense, but

what do the actions of one's grandfather have to do with anything?

I don't know that I would want to be judged by the acts of my forbears. Are you sure that one of your ancestors doesn't have a seemy side? Do you want to be judged by that?

Thanks, but I'll pass.

I hate these kinds of arguments.

[SpiralHawk]

12. It's the HYPOCRISY, pudd - the stinking corrupt republicon hypocrisy

When Bush's family profited so handsomeley from ENABLING Hitler and the Nazi (True Fact), then it is hypocritical for him to slam some 'vague' Democrat as akin to a Nazi appeaser.

Glad to help out with a Free Clue.

[Seeking Serenity]

14. I hate to seem as a contrarian, but I don't see the same hypocrisy you do

unless dubya was in a position to have stopped his grandfather or persuaded him in a different direction but didn't.

I don't like this slippery slope. I couldn't have any more controlled or changed the actions of my grandfather than you could have yours.

Not our best arguments, IMO.

[coalition_unwilling]

22. W's father (H.W. Bush) made shady deals with the Iranians ca. 1980-82 to

provide arms to the Iranians in return for their help in freeing hostages held in Lebanon and even possibly to delay the release of the diplomats in the Iranian embassy until after the November 1980 election that ushered in Reagan. (The latter in the interest of preventing an "October surprise" that would have helped Jimmy Carter's re-election efforts.)

So it's not only W's grandfater, it's W's father who has been busily appeasing anyone and everyone, including major players in the Axis of Evil.

The Bush family and appeasement go way, way back. They were busy appeasing enemies of the U.S. before Obama was even a glimmer in his parents' eyes. You might want to read up on your history.

[MetaTrope]

79. And how often do we hear it mentioned that W himself was bankrolled by Osama's elder brother?

Push THAT up to the front, please!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

112. Salem bin Laden - that was in the F 911 movie. n/t

[CJCRANE]

23. It depends on where the Repubs

choose to focus. If they go for Obama's past family associations then Bush's (and McCain's) are also fair game.

[RantinRavin]

81. Why does anything about asshole's past matter anymore ?

Last time I checked he was not going to be on the ballot. We need to be concentrating on who will be on the ballot, McNutJob.

[orleans]

109. it all matters. because mcshame is the mcsame--the same

dirty fucking hypocrite piece of shit that george bush is. he's a little fucking clone that can't get enough of his great leader. everything matters with these motherfuckers.

(do i sound bitter? i guess i am)

[SpiralHawk]

131. ...and it all matters because Republicons put this Nazi spawn in office

The Whole republicon homelander party is -- in the minds of right-thinking people, guily by association for raizing up this failed Connecticut Yankee preppy cheerleader republicon deserter.

[Javaman]

140. If moron* is going to equate Obama's wanting to talk to Hamas

with Chamberlain's nazi appeasement, then moron* better be prepared for the digging up of his* grandfathers connections to the nazi's.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

141. Read this article

It outlines how the shame and failings of the Bush Admin are a burden the all the Republicans in this election cycle.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/20/news/economy/election_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2008052015

That's how asshole's past matters.

[SpiralHawk]

30. George AWOL Bush was in no position to stop his Nazi Grandpoppy, but...

he is also in no position to pretend it didn't happen, or to use the Nazis to denigrate others.

That's plain, old-fashioned chickenhawk republicon hypocrisy.

[mcollier]

121. In family tradition you can easily see how bush didn't

hesitate to go to war with Iraq. Not to mention the many other scandalous actions he's taken as commander in chief. This is fair game, McCain jumped all over Obama after bushes statements last week. We can't afford the neocons to continue the failed policies any longer.

[fascisthunter]

36. riiiight

[rhett o rick]

56. Ok, then do u think Georgie approves of his granddaddy's actions or not. My bet is he does.

Many, many republicans in Congress tried to keep this country out of the war in Europe. Roosevelt had his work cut out for him. In fact the Germans declared war on us first. Republicans liked the fascist Hitler and Mussolini because they were fighting communists. Republicans have a long history of backing fascist dictators. In Friggin fact, GHW Bush helped put Sadam Husein in power. The friggin repukes were happy while Husein was gasing Kurds and Iranians. Republicans beliefs of corporate control are fascist ideas.

[bulloney]

62. People who live in glass houses, pudd...

Don't go around the world pandering to the religious right, nations' legislatures and other groups and slam other people by twisting their words when a member of YOUR OWN FAMILY was financing one of the biggest humanitarian atrocities in history.

But we don't hear about this stuff in the MSM. At least not when it can make an impact on Bush's presidential aspirations. We just hear about Democrats' land deals, speculate on whether they inhaled, distort their military service, and slam them when their minister makes emotional, controversial remarks.

[davekriss]

70. OK...

...let me amend my ars longa post then and cut to the chase of GWB's crimes (hoping Clan Dyken appreciates the exposure -- on edit, see post 69):

So let me tell you a little story about junior Georgie
Ever since he stole the election he's been making history
When the planes into the buildings slammed he soon bombed Afghanistan
And his daddy and his buddies were getting fat on war money
He never once did slow he never once looked back
The whole world said NO! he said yes let's bomb Iraq
He had to cook up some fiction, sex up his diction,
keep the people scared for fear of weapons of mass destruction
He had to lie he had to spy he had to deny those who asked why
In the end he said "we're the super power we'll decide who'll die
Besides we got cash and weapons stacked up to the sky
We need to use 'em we need to lose 'em we need a war that's what they're for
Then he said he was talking directly to the big guy
He's got a hot line to the god mind and god said to the victor goes the spoils
And to the American corporations goes all the Iraqis oil
And by the way move over we'll take over if you please
Shucks, damn, we still didn't find any wmds
Flash to a picture of Rumsfield shaking hands with Saddam Hussein
They're setting 'em up and knocking them down and setting 'em right back up again
Talking tough on the terrorists when everybody knows ya
Daddy was running guns and drugs with the Ayatollah
And what ever really happened with Manuel Noriega
And Pinochet, we could go on all day about these guys that used to work for the CIA
Working to make the people of the world feel the way the people of the world feel today
And then junior Georgie bowed his head ... (see above)

Why you would want to waste pixels by taking a position (valid) about the slippery slope of blaming the scion of an evil family for the sins of the grandfather is beyond me. It's just not worth it, given the destruction and sins of GWB himself.

[rucognizant]

74. My family managed to ...............

Imprint their high moral ethical code on most of the family members for 2 1/2 centuries..........
It's what families USED to do, bring up their kids with a set of values. That's where the phrase "black sheep of the family" began, some kids are going to march to their own drummer no matter what!
I decided a few years back that this ethical code was more impediment in todays world than helpful. SO I made a conscious decision to set it aside in the interest of survival....................It didn't work! I am NOT prosperous today as a result and I wasn't happy either!
( I did survive, and I am following my designated path, which brings small rewards..............I've also influenced a lot of kids!)

[emilyg]

114. Agree 100%.

[enid602]

54. importance

I think the other important thing is that this is the first time the Bush family's connection with Nazi Germany has been discussed on TV, despite its having received considerable attention from the press outside the US.

[Oak2004]

15. It's not quite past tense

That's where a lot of the family wealth -- the wealth Bush himself enjoys -- comes from.

The Bushes managed a number of years ago to fight off a suit from Holocaust survivors (wonderful things happen in court when you're, like, the President...). If they had an ounce of ethics, they'd have compensated survivors, not pulled out all their influence and power to keep their ill gotten gain.

[bulloney]

64. I always tell my friends who vote for Bush because he's pro-life that his family's wealth

is blood money because of Prescott's business dealings with Nazi Germany. How pro-life is that?

Stand back and enjoy the Porky Pig impressions. They don't know how to answer that question.

[starroute]

19. Forebears is not the same as grandfather

We're not talking about something that happened 300 years ago. When George W. was born, Prescott was still in the middle of making sure his Nazi-related investments in Union Banking were disencumbered from the Trading with the Enemy Act.

George H.W. Bush has been close friends with members of the Farish and du Pont families, which were deeply involved in supporting the Nazis and US fascists in the 30's and also in the plot against FDR. As late as 1988, his presidential campaign got into trouble for the number of refugee Eastern European fascists it was working with.

The ties are both deeper and more prolonged than just Prescott's business dealings in the 30's, and they continued all through W's youth and early adulthood.

[gratuitous]

21. Well, I wonder what George W. would be doing today

If his grandfather wasn't Prescott Bush, leaving a shitload of ill-gotten money to his progeny, would George W. be squatting in the White House and wrecking the country for his own personal enrichment? Probably not. Consider the case of another scion of a family that achieved wealth through dubious methods, like Ted Kennedy. Can you imagine Ted slouching in his chair at Yale, lecturing his professor on how lazy poor people are, as George W. did in his undergraduate days?

Certainly George W. isn't responsible for his grandfather's war profiteering and treasonous ways; but even a modicum of conscience might cause him to think twice about accusing other people of "appeasement" when his own family fortune was amassed the way it was.

[jmowreader]

149. Don't compare Bush to Ted Kennedy

The Kennedy clan used Joe's moonshine money to do a few things which benefited the public. The Bush family used Prescott's Nazi money to prop up more dictators.

[gratuitous]

155. Precisely my point

Two huge family fortunes amassed through questionable means, be it trading with Nazis or moonshining, and two families that took two very different routes with that money. Sort of makes me not want to listen to the whining of the overrich about estate taxes, capital gains taxes, and so forth.

[Kelvin Mace]

41. It is relevant

because the same "anything is OK as long as we get paid" thinking still runs in the family.

[davekriss]

69. ars longa, vita brevis est

And then junior Georgie bowed his head and prayed for the Jewish souls that were lost
He said that we should never ever forget about the Nazi Holocaust
He said that guys like Hitler shouldn't get no more chances
I bet he hopes nobody checks into his Granddaddy's finances
You see making profit off of war is in the family
Prescott Bush in World War 2 was in thick with the Nazis
Using polish slaves from Auschwitz to make the Third Reich's steel
To make the guns and bombs and bullets the American boys would feel
Money money was made hand over fist
Bush was doing business with the fascists
Money money was made where did it go?
It's in the family coffers and it still does flow
Like the blood that was spilt from the people who were killed
And the voices of injustice that will never be stilled
Echoing down through history 'til it's in your living room
If the rat gets away with the cheese he's coming back real soon
We can talk and talk all day it really doesn't matter
What matters is the future and what they got on the platter
Exporting more fear and repression and high tech violence
We need some answers we need some justice
We need no more secrets and we need
No more silence
No more silence
No more silence
No more silence

-- from Clan Dyken, No More Silence, a great song (open and read the lyrics, or better yet download the song, I highly recommend).

[proud patriot]

71. That the bush family fortune came from supplying Nazi's

before the seditious act of the grandfather the family
wasn't rich and powerful .

I know people whose grandfather's fought Nazi's and
died poor men , and their families are poor today .

The injustice of it all is astounding .

Why does Jenna get the armani dress while others
can only afford the justice of the peace .

It seems the bush family should have to start from
scratch like most others .

[Cassandra]

134. The Bush family wasn't that rich...

before getting involved with Harriman but the Walkers were rich from war profiteering during WWI. Four generations of profits from war.

[pollo poco]

83. His grandpa started the business

But George w is still running the same war profiteering family outfit. His grandpa discovered it. His father improved it (iran contra etc).

Now W runs it. He is not culpable because of what his grandpa did-he is culpable because he also works in the family war-starting-for- profit business.

He also bought everything he has ever purchased with the money his family has made on wars. And, when the Bushes hit the whitehouse, they were able to open a new division in the family business. The very profitable new "War Starting Division" of BushCo has moved the family from ruthlessly taking advantage of wars to actually controlling where and when wars occur. This new division also has access to the US treasury to pay for the custom made wars. It's a huge step forward for the family biz. Prescott had nothing, and everything, to do with it. He is gone, but the family has kept his business growing, through constant improvements.

This is not a slippery slope. It is an inherited family business.

Furthermore, it is important to understand the history of the firm, and get a sense of their preferred strategies, in order to predict what direction they might take in the future. This is why what the grandfather did is relevant today.

Bush is not primarily a president. That title is a function of his real job as CEO of a family company that utilizes war as a normal part of it's profit strategy. Little wonder that he sees only success in Iraq. His family is making a huge pile of money. That's why we went in. It has worked beautifully. No wonder he wants the war to go on and on. A primary goal must be to lock in these profits for the family shareholders when they no longer have direct control over the war starting mechanism. The "War Starting Division" is in danger of losing their advances in war-starting capabilities. Some binding agreement is needed to obligates the US to keep fighting in Iraq, long after GW steps down (maybe even a hundred years!). Or, perhaps another war could be started in the area...

So this really isn't about picking on some bloke for what his grandfather did. It's about an inherited family business that is trashing our country for war profits. So yes, (if you are really asking) I think your question may be a bit dense.

[zonmoy]

86. It shows the families history of supporting fascism and fascistic behavior.

his fathers behavior as president and leader of the cia was quite similar and w acts the same as the rest of his family.

[justinthebull]

124. I hear where you're coming from...

...but the way I see it, Shrub is not far enough removed from Grampa Prescott, either chronologically or ideologically, for this to be simply dismissed as a mistake of the past. Plus, understand exactly how horrific and unforgivable an event we're talking about here: the man helped finance the Nazi Party.

It's 1939, your grampa gets drunk, hops in his Studebaker and plows over some little girl?* OK, that's awful, shame on him, hope he was punished, but that can't be held against you... unless you're, say, a lawyer who specializes in defending DUIs. That's sort of what we have here with the Bushes. Shrub may not be a carbon copy of Hitler, but he's the closest thing to a Nazi to ever reside in the White House.

(* Not saying your grampa actually did that, of course... just a hypothetical scenario.)

[treestar]

139. That could easily pass down to you. You are raised by these people

Maybe you are not to blame, but it may explain some of your contempt for the people later in life.

[nebenaube]

144. When a family goes dynastic...

Then they are to be judged by their ancestors past. That is the nature of dynasty.

[Castleman]

152. The actions of one's grandfather?

Well, let me see, if the treasonous son-of-a-bitch was hung like he should have been, and his equally criminal son had been jailed or executed as well, we wouldn't have this freaking moron ruining our country now. That's what is has to do with anything. I'm still in shock that we were willing to hang the Nazis at Nuremberg, but not willing to hang their allies in our own country? WTF???? Harry, Harry, Harry, you really let us down there. You were willing to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but you couldn't hang that shitbag Prescott Bush?
If the MSM had any balls whatsoever, George would never have gotten elected back in the 60's, and their junta would be nothing but a failed dream. Liberal media, my ass.

[DUlover2909]

16. Didn't Prescott Bush try to overthrow the US government or something too?

I recall an article about that.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm

[CJCRANE]

18. The "Business Plot".

"The Business Plot (also known as the Plot Against FDR or the White House Putsch) was an alleged political conspiracy in 1933 in which several wealthy businessmen allegedly planned to overthrow the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

...

The 2007 BBC radio documentary The White House Coup alleged that Prescott Bush, father and grandfather to the 41st and 43rd US Presidents respectively, was also connected with companies owned by Fritz Thyssen".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[liberal1973]

47. The reason the right wingers

attempted to use Smedley Butler is because he had the trust of veterans. Thank goodness Smedley Butler was a Democrat. He had democratic principles unlike the far right idiot MacArthur or Betrayus.

[stickernation]

65. well, the Business Plot obviously worked.

i mean, did it ever really end ?

in a way isn't it now just beginning ?

[mdmc]

88. thanks for the link

:toast:

[whirlygigspin]

116. The plot to overthrow FDR (video)

from the history channel on google video here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=628728631767818729

[asteroid2003QQ47]

20. Futile search for high moral ground.

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
By Edwin Black

Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, from which the following article is drawn.

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called "Master Race."

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.
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Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti-Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. While Hitler's race hatred sprung from his own mind, the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.

During the '20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany's fascist eugenicists. In Mein Kampf, published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. "There is today one state," wrote Hitler, "in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
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http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

[Seeking Serenity]

26. Can anyone, person, nation, what-have-you, truly claim any moral high ground anymore?

I don't think so, not anymore.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

31. "person"-Arundhati Roy?

"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget."
--Arundhati Roy

Doubt she'd make the claim so I'll make it for her.

[davekriss]

77. I second that nomination (nt)

[nebenaube]

145. Yes... this is what I think of when I hear the phrase

"Intelligent Design" - just another codeword for eugenics.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

25. If it takes Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg

to FINALLY put this info in front of the American people, then more power to 'em.

Hint to Whoopi and Joy: Prescott Bush was BUSTED under the "Trading With the Enemy Act." Use it. Drive that nail home. Countersink it! "Trading.With.The.Enemy." Yeah. Even the American Idol crowd might be able to fathom those words.

[Seeking Serenity]

29. To what end? Dubya isn't running and only has eight more months left.

Wouldn't using this kind of strategy just encourage the other side to look, and give them justification for looking, at Obama's parentage or grandparentage for dirt to throw at him?

Do we really want to be in the position of trying to defend a "good for me but not for thee" policy of tactics?

What is hoped to be accomplished?

[prolesunited]

34. Wow, you're pretty adamant

in your defense of Nazi enablers.

And, you think if we're nice they'll be nice back. Sounds like you're some sort of GOP appeaser.

[Seeking Serenity]

35. Oh, spare me.

"Nazi enabler" That's real good.

Go away.

[Pastiche423]

50. Are you really as dense as you portray yourself here

or are you simply a contrarian?

[shanti]

45. wonder why

this person hasn't been TS'd yet?

[Seeking Serenity]

93. Oh yeah, I should be TS'd after four years here

just because I don't see the same tactical value in trying to further discredit a thoroughly discredited man who isn't on the ballot.

George Bush is the past. I'm looking toward the future.

I simply asked a question and made an obsrvation, and then there's all this.

[emilyg]

115. You better see it their way

no point in posting something intelligent.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

132. One would hope that...

neither side feels compelled to see it the other's way and
would instead appreciate the opportunity to expand their
knowledge.
The point muddle makes is not without merit yet those who
point out the continuity in the Bush clan and see the real
possibility of a President Jeb can hardly be faulted for
doing so.

Viable solutions seem to me to be nonexistent. I sometimes
think how much better the present might be if Prescott and
his tribe at the time had been sacked up with a barrow
load of bricks and dropped off a bridge.
That thought then forces me to consider that they just as
easily could think the same of me and to my great discomfort,
are we more alike than not?

[eridani]

122. His butt is being lovingly kissed by the guy who is on the ballot, though n/t

[mitchum]

42. What? Is Nazi the new N word?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

43. Two words, four numerals

Jeb.Bush
2-0-1-2

Prescott the Enabler was Jebbie's Grampa, too.

McCain doesn't get a second bite of the apple. 2012 is "Jebbie's Time." Hell, they were waving "Jeb '08" at the ConCon in NYC in '04.

I take a "never again" view toward the Bushista klan.

Furthermore, I believe in exposing Nazis and their enablers wherever possible, whenever possible. If we could finally put the Bush Crime Family out of business once and for all, we might well be saving generations of Americans as yet unborn and undreamt of.

[Seeking Serenity]

150. I think his brother's failed presidency has doomed any chance Jeb may have had.

No one, or at least not very many, will want another "Bush presidency" after eight years of this.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

158. No one ever went broke

underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate.

I remember when Democrats laughed at the idea of Dubya after his Daddy was such a miserable failure.

Jebbie will be billed as "the smart one" who will redeem the Bush legacy and "family honor." With a Mexican wife, he'll be deemed a rock-solid bet in the Hispanic community and his leadership in Florida will be presented as a model of "conserbatib valyoooz," what with him standing up for the "sank-titty of liiiiiife" for that poor, misunderstood genius Terri Schiavo.

And the American people, in their American Idol-watching millions, will nod their heads dutifully and say "uh-huh, uh-huh. 'Course he'd be an excellent preznit. Definitely."

Of course, my crystal ball also occasionally shows the triumphant arrival of the Titanic in New York Harbor and the election of Harold Stassen. Sometimes it even says "Answer Hazy: Ask Again Later."

[Seeking Serenity]

164. But Dubya's presidency has been 100x worse than Poppy's.

"I remember when Democrats laughed at the idea of Dubya after his Daddy was such a miserable failure."

But that was just Democrats. After eight years of this, even Republicans or Republican-voting independents would be hesitant of a third Bush presidency.

[Nihil]

166. Timing is everything

> After eight years of this, even Republicans or Republican-voting
> independents would be hesitant of a third Bush presidency.

After four years of a Democratic President, the first three at least
being in the depression inherited from Bush II, I bet that not only
will the "Republicans or Republican-voting independents" be in favour
of Bush III but some of the more right-wing "Democrats" will too.
You will have a choice of Clinton dynasty or Bush dynasty and I'd put
money on which the US public would choose from those options ...

[Zhade]

52. So the truth should just be ignored because you don't like it?

Nonsense.

[rucognizant]

78. MOST PEOPLE DON'T............

Have the kind of criminal scuzzy background of the Bush's. I doubt you would find similar stuff in Obama's background! I know his Father was not terrific, deserting his wife & child like that, but I doubt he went back to Africa and ordered/arranged for the deaths of thousands of people!

[CJCRANE]

27. I think this has hit a nerve.

;)

[wryter2000]

28. Did Elizabeth's little cranium explode? n/t

n/t

[fascisthunter]

38. unfortunately it didn't

I think her head is made of a flexible plastic.

[mitchum]

40. But I bet it took every ounce of self control to keep her right arm from snapping up into...

a stiff armed salute when she heard the magic word.

[fascisthunter]

44. lol....

She almost did lose it.... it was great.

[Jackpine Radical]

59. Is there a cranium in there? To protect what? Seems like a waste of bone.

[progressoid]

82. Limbaugh or Coulter haven't told her how to respond to this yet.

She'll just have to stew until someone with an IQ slightly higher than her own work it out.

[pleah]

33. Well, it is about time someone said it on TV!

The MSM let these warmongers spew their nazi shit for eight years and it takes two women talk show hosts to say it out loud. Sheesh!

[fascisthunter]

37. It Was Awesome... I Just Watched the Clip

[newscott]

46. My God they talked about this on the View?

Well alright! Way to go ladies. Keep the hits coming. The Bushes have had this coming for generations!

[katty]

63. all hail the ladies!! you go gurrrrls!!

[yurbud]

51. we should thank whoopee getting some blacked-out news on TV

[katty]

53. FINALLY it hit a really, really mainstream artery! took decades

[ToughLuck]

57. Nice venting by Joy, she cracked me up...I don't watch this show but

maybe I will tune in if Joy goes on rants like this more often. For an MSM tv show, that was a 4 star rant.

[ryanmuegge]

58. She's gone.

Soon. Anybody want to take bets on when she will be kicked off the show or "resign"? I'm saying the middle of next week. I figure you've got to give the cable news pundits enough time to talk about it 24 hours a day for the next few days. After all, oil is still $20/barrel and there is no recession or economic slowdown or war to talk about.

[Orrex]

61. As a stand-up comic, she wasn't funny at all IMO

But damn! Props to her for being the first person in all of network television to state this outright.

[earth mom]

67. I hope Joy & Whoopi are brave enough to bring up MIHOP/LIHOP and expose the BFEE totally. nt

[pollo poco]

84. Translation please?

MIHOP? LIHOP? BFEE?

Thanks for helping a fellow traveler.

[keroro gunsou]

89. what it is...

mihop = made it happen on purpose

lihop = let it happen on purpose

bfee = bush family evil empire.

[mdmc]

92. hey now

made it happen on purpose
let it happen on purpose
bush family evil empire (aka the 'military industrial complex' that Ike warned us about)

peace and low stress

[femrap]

99. Rosie O'Donnell already did that on The View

a long time ago. She talked about World Trade Bldg. 5 that went into a perfect footprint....and was never hit.

She talked a whole bunch about W and 9/11.

[earth mom]

111. Yeah and they shut Rosie up didn't they? There needs to be more exposure from more people. nt

[femrap]

161. If I remember correctly, she discussed 9/11

long before she left the show. These used to be the things that '60 Minutes,' '20/20,' and all those other numbered News Exposes used to do. Now they just cover disappeared and probably murdered white women....gotta have those women scared to death so they will continue to obey and never take any risks or adventures....want them to stay home and hide.

[earth mom]

163. Yep, gotta scare the hell out of all of us, so few will realize that the powers that be have stolen

EVERYTHING from us but the kitchen sink! :grr:

[femrap]

165. I share your anger....

Fear is a mighty motivator...and the neocons knew how to use it. Now that not only our economy, but our way of life, is soon to be drastically changed, maybe the American people will wake up and join us in our anger at those fascists!

[erpowers]

75. Cheney's Company Did Business With Iran

In addition, I think Iran was on the terror sponsors list which meant U.S. companies were not supposed to do business with Iran. I also think Halliburton, through it subsidiaries, did business with other countries it was not supposed to be doing business with.

[file83]

118. Exactly. Biggest conflict of interest this country has ever known, but the MSM

is silent about it, or at least didn't speak up for long about it.

Who can blame them? The entire government is so corrupt that the MSM knows no one will ever get impeached or tried while Bush is in office.

[LynneSin]

76. Did that dingbat Hasslebeck defend Bush

what an idiot!

[bonito]

85. I love Whoopi Goldberg

Always have, politics aside even, but most likely not, she rocks!

[muntrv]

87. As usual, Elizabeth is a tool.

[Bozita]

90. Mike Malloy just predicted that Joy will be fired from The View.

Talking about the Bush crime family's history is not allowed on network teevee.

[David Zephyr]

91. Here's to Joy Behar!

"This is his grandfather," Behar continued. "He has no business talking to Jewish people when he's got this right in his backyard."

Thankfully, the truth on the Bush/Nazi past is at long last getting out. It sure took a long time.

[BrklynLiberal]

94. Ode to Joy!!!!!! She is terrific. The blond bimbo needs to have her batteries removed so she will

stop annoying us with her meaningless babble.

[Norrin Radd]

97. Holy crap! kr

[Dead Elephant]

101. Majors Props to Joy Behar

[Catherine Vincent]

103. Whoopi brought it up?

That brave woman better be careful.

[bow-tie]

105. Imagine how many freepers

never heard that little tidbit!!!!!

[man4allcats]

110. Even with America's current lockstep media, I am still

surprised this story doesn't get more circulation. This country is now being ruled by a bunch of goddamn Nazis and the grandchildren of Nazis who have grown up with the noxious, misanthropic beliefs of their ancestors. If it were up to me, there would be no more enabling or silly debate about it. We would be doing to Bushco, and yes Georgie included, what we did to those guilty at Nuremberg; take the bastards out and hang them! Christ! I really don't see the problem! Try the sons of bitches and execute them! It's simple!

[ekwhite]

113. Malloy played that on his program tonight, truthseekers

Joy Behar nailed it.

[Baby Snooks]

117. Not news...

This is not news. And probably still won't be news. The media for some reason has always hesitated to pursue the matter even though it is established fact and much of the documenation is in the National Archives. The history of the Bushes was always right there for all to see. The media chose not to see it.

My question has always been how some in the Jewish community could support the Bushes. Is Israel really more important than the memory of millions who perished in the Holocaust? Their memory is the very foundation of Israel. The Bushes have sullied that memory. As have those who have supported them. Shame on them.

Prescott Bush should have been tried at Nuremberg. Those who really get into his collusion, and it was collusion, with Fritz Thyssen realize how complicit he was and can see how he intended to create a fascist state here as well. Which his grandson has. We are no longer a democracy.

But George W Bush didn't act alone. All eyes turn to Nancy Pelosi. The Empress. Serving her Emperor.

And then the eyes turn to the Clintons. I cannot think of anything worse than Hillary Clinton becoming president. Her husband sold out as did she. They are part of all of it. The dynasty. The oligarchy. The fascist state. The vision of Samuel Bush. The patriarch.

?

April 24, 2008

[Divine Discontent]

127. hence, why she won't QUIT

I don't trust them... it's too bizarre to see her out there pretending like she has a chance... I pray for Obama. The national news press should be bringing up this story and discussing it.

[JfortheDonks]

120. I'm Glad This Is Becoming

A Well-Known Fact!!! We don't need this Nazi bullshit happening here in the U.S. Read up on REX 84-FEMA people!

[justinthebull]

123. Good for Whoopi!

This is information that has been so suppressed, and it absolutely needs to get out in the public ear. "Godwin's Law" be damned, I will call certain Rethuglicans Nazis because they are the ideological heirs to Hitler and Naziism -- intolerant Xian racists bent on world domination and the extermination of all who oppose their ideals and their designs. Is that extreme? Sure it is, but we're fighting an extreme enemy, and our future is at stake!

[Gamey]

126. View This!

I spent my summers with my grandfather working my ass off on a farm from age 8 to 16.

[Beam Me Up]

130. And that has exactly what to do with anything?

I grew up on a farm and had chores from as far back as I can remember, so what?

[windoe]

133. Added to the Nazi ties

-Operation Paperclip-we took in Nazi scientists that went to NASA, others worked to develop nuclear bombs, others went right into MKUltra. Other Nazis scientists had secretly developed antigravity flying saucers (when I link to this on youtube my computer acts as if it is haunted) which we also absorbed into our own shadow government technology. This was in the 1940's, right around the time of Prescott Bush dealings with the Nazis-- I wonder who pulled off this deal?
Nazi scientists who had sick agendas were absorbed into high positions of our government and no doubt influenced policy around these technologies.
Their twisted racist worldview was absorbed seamlessly into the military industrial complex, and we are now reaping the consequences 60 years later.

[Connonym]

135. we should send Joy flowers

about freakin' time somebody other than bloggers/internet/Comedy Central start talking about this. Everyone should know the kind of bottom feeders the Bushes really are. Fucking People Magazine puts Jenna's wedding on the cover like we're supposed to give a shit. What the hell is that about? Makes about as much sense to me as putting Saddam Hussein's daughter on the cover. A war criminal is a war criminal no matter what country he comes from.

[shellgame26]

137. Joy is the real deal

Always like to watch her sub for Larry King.

[Midwest_Doc]

138. This is Just WRONG

I have never defended George W. Bush. But the actions of his grandfather are irrelevant. Bush holds no responsibility for anything his grandfather did. When people like Behar use the Nazi relationship as an issue for criticism of Bush, it devalues all of the legitimate criticism for the illegal and immoral acts he committed.

[dgibby]

142. Is it wrong if

Is it wrong if George W. has never renounced his grandfather's actions, never tried to make reparations, never refused his monetary inheritance (blood money, some would say), continued to support his grandfather's and father's politics, and finally, completed his grandfather's coup. I think not! Had he disavowed his grandfather's actions, then perhaps this would be wrong, but until then, I think it's not only not wrong, it's absolutely right, and needs to see the light of day as often as possible if we are ever going to heal this country. And don't forget, those Bushco detention centers are just sitting there, waiting for anyone who displeases the dear leader!

[asteroid2003QQ47]

147. It is NOT wrong but...

assuming this country COULD be "healed," how would the Bush clan and their kind
be dealt with? First thing that comes to my mind is putting those
"Bushco detention centers" to good use but on second thought that seems problematic.
We risk becoming the enemy we despise, where then does the answer lie?

[Oak2004]

159. Agreed -- my family has a dubious ancestor

My grandfather was a significant organized crime figure in a particularly bloody Chicago gang during and after Prohibition. Most of the family has gone to great lengths, making a conscious effort, to repudiate the acts of our disreputable ancestor. Unfortunately not all of us did so, and it is an entirely fair criticism of the two (now deceased) members of my extended family who went the other way, that they "took after" my grandfather, and perpetuated his misdeeds.

George is Prescott's progeny, in more ways than by their respective positions on the family tree.

[Senator]

143. Fascism -- Bushcheneyism -- Monarchism -- Theocracy -- It's All The Same Thing.

A belief that some minority has the right to rule the majority. It matters little if it's the true believers, a master race, a family dynasty, the chosen people, a ruling class, or the current DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy.

The ideology doesn't just disappear because we dropped some bombs or some years have passed. Particularly within the confines of a single, pseudo-aristocratic family.

Yes, it's all the same thing. Like "Unitary Executive Rule By Signing Statement" -- it's all anti-democratic, thus Anti-American.

What? You were expecting goose-stepping?

--

[asteroid2003QQ47]

153. Contradictory terms.

"anti-democratic, thus Anti-American"
WTF! Democracies are egalitarian, Amerika rests on a bedrock of genocide, millions of slaves both red and black slaughtered that their wealth might be stolen to build The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. BULLSHIT!

Amerika is a profit driven culture, the tragedy of the commons has been brought about not by sheer numbers but by a very small percentage driven to accumulate grossly excessive amounts of wealth.
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A time will come when a politician who has willfully made war and promoted international dissension will be as sure of the dock and much surer of the noose than a private homicide. It is not reasonable that those who gamble with men's lives should not stake their own.
--H. G. Wells

[Doctor_J]

146. Woo-hoo!

None of the Cabal "News" talkers will mention this, but it's good that it got on the air.

[cyberpj]

151. The Danziger cartoon of may 18 -

[bitchkitty]

154. Flowers for Whoopi! Mine are virtual,

darlin', but crafted with love from the depths of my heart!



I wish they'd start saying it more often.

[Uncle Joe]

156. I believe another thread is speculating they edited this out of the show for the West Coast. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

157. Here it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3320224