HILLARY RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE

[BigDaddy44]

Source: NY Post

May 23, 2008 --

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."

Robert Kennedy, the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was gunned down in 1968 after winning the California primary. He had been a hero on the left for his civil rights agenda and calls to end the war in Vietnam.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm

[Thrill]

1. Pathetic

[movonne]

45. Is that what she is waiting for....she and michael savage would make

a good pair...this woman has gone over the deep end..

[ann_american2004]

191. What the fuck are you talking about?

She is making the point that many candidates continued to campaign into June. This is too funny. I gotta laugh. What the fuck is the problem here, man? Will some just get over it already? Please? Jesus H Christ are some not happy until they completely destroy a person in their minds? Is that the only way to feel justified and right? Be happy to be for Obama. That's enough. No need for the extra hate and smear BS. She said what she said. Get those twisted minds off that horrible need to destroy a person's image. We are still the same fucks whether some paint her a demon or an angel. We wake up the same fucks we were yesterday.

That is what is pathetic. Wake up - get real. This type of crap isnt doing Obama any favors.
This kind of tripe just crosses the line. No wonder the Hill camp are done and distant. Golly darn it anyway.

Obama '08
Let the man stand on his own
not under the rubble of the vicious purpose of his flock!
Don't soil his good name
by calling out false blame
on a hero from our past
who did much for the party and passion
Of a needy generation!
We let Chappaquiddick go
Yet call Hill a ho
Which is your party?
I dunno.
But Obama does!
He knows right from wrong
It is his creed, his passion his song.
Emulate the Man!
Man!
I know you can!
Man!

that is all...

[RazBerryBeret]

293. and that little song, or poem or prayer isn't

doing the democratic party any good.

[papau]

329. She said she regretted using RFK 68 as part of expanation of why she's still in race

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/clinton.comments /

she regretted comments that evoked the June 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as part of her explanation for why she was staying in the presidential race late into the primary season.

[ShortnFiery]

333. HRC seemingly REGRETS a hell of a lot of things ... it's all calculated.

HRC will NEVER be my President!

She has NO moral compass. :nuke:

[pocoloco]

452. Never fucking regretted voting for the IWR!!

[shellgame26]

491. I honestly don't think she meant anything untoward

but it does highlight the fact that she has a serious case of FOOT-IN-MOUTH DISEASE.

[cyndensco]

335. Is her apology enough for you?

You still support her?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

416. she misspoke again and again and again

it is not fair to the Democratic voters

[Blaq Dem]

560. It seems she sees herself on "standby"

"Standby" as in waiting for an "accident" to happen with Obama? It's kind of morbid. Very desperate indeed.

[reprobate]

550. There was no apology in her statement yesterday. What she said was that

she regrets if anyone takes offense at what she said. That's not an apology.

An apology takes responsibility for the offense. What she said puts the responsibility on those who are offended.

If you look back at her campaign she has NEVER apologized for any misstatement, lie, exaggeration, or dirty campaign ad her organization has run. You may call that a moral, honorable person. I certainly don't.

[roguevalley]

337. what she said, she meant. her obsession is finally coming out of

her mouth. I cannot begin to say what I feel, being as I was voting for RFK and I remember those bleak and terrible times. She is such a swine. Teddy is facing his mortality and she is using his dead brother for political advantage. GO AWAY!!!!!!!

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[Bluebear]

380. 'I'm beginning to think Vince Foster. There is no way around it.' - OFFS.

[william37]

387. My aren't we comfortable

Using republican talking points. Really...what is the difference between you and the freepers?

[Bluebear]

389. I believe you meant to post that to the poster who said it above me.

[william37]

394. Sorry about that.nt

sdfg

[xioaping]

402. Now there you go sounding like Clinton

Admit it. You meant it! :)

[LeFleur1]

507. Can People Really Be STupid Enough to Twist This?

The media loons jumped right on it and twisted it into god knows what. I heard what she said, and she was stating FACTS about primaries. Nothing else. NOTHING.

I heard something else today that the media did not comment on at all. Obama was in Fla. and he told the people at that rally that Cuba had been under a dictatorship all the days of his life. He said a few more things along the line that they should have democracy. He said that people were imprisoned there because they told the truth.
Then he said: I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.

So what does that mean? Is he going to invade Cuba if he manages to pander to those Floridians who came from Cuba enough to get into office?

Now his statement was something voters might want to ponder and consider. He was talking about changing the government of another country. Why wasn't that being reported over and over and over and over and over?

[JeanGrey]

516. The facs are that Hillary is now a train wreck. She had a

chance to get out with dignity and decided not to. Now every time she opens her mouth, it gets worse. If she had any dignity or pride left she would bow out gracefully, instead, we get to watch the disaster that is the Clinton's keep barreling down the tracks...................

[pocoloco]

451. Nor is that piece of puke named hillary!

[barbtries]

356. amen

i have to admit i read it wrong from the start, as in, she was saying that obama might be dead before the campaign is over. probably a poor historical example for her to use, but your words of rationality set me straight. i think you're right.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

welcome -- Great poem!

Let the man stand on his own
not under the rubble of the vicious purpose of his flock!

Brilliant! :toast:


(as an aside -I think Chappaquiddick was a frame job)

[rainy]

472. How was Chappaquiddick a frame job? Just curious. nt

[eowyn_of_rohan]

496. recent discussion with some good links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x205847

[xioaping]

401. Sounds like she considers it a possibilty someone might die

giving her the nomination by default. How else can you read it?

[defendandprotect]

559. Everyone could die and I still wouldn't vote for HRC --- !!!

[Ken Burch]

477. Actually, the Democratic Party DIDN'T "let Chappaquidick go".

After the Carter campaign arranged to have thousands of people line Teddy's motorcade route in Chicago shouting "murderer, murderer"(when he'd gone to Chicago for years before that with nobody bothering him)Teddy's one presidential campaign ended in a decisive failure, even though everyone knew by then that Chappaquidick had been an unavoidable accident.

And nobody but Republicans ever called HRC a "ho".

You are way the hell out of line with that half-assed excuse for a rap.

[ann_american2004]

511. Ken Burch Hah! You're funny

You make me laugh. I'm positively gurgling!
"And nobody but the Republicans called HRC a 'ho" ???? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha I think I peed myself.
You owe me new underpants. The granny kind. I'm a modest progressive. hahahahaha!

Sorry I'm way out of line. Help me out here -what line am I suppose to be near or grasping?
The strict Obama is God camp? The moderate Obama is God but has some really fucked up followers camp?
Obama is a statesman line? Hmmm which one did I cross? Jeepers. Let's just put all the lines together and make a jump rope. that would be swell.

Going to the ref in the 'poem', I think as I recall being an old fart and all that the big problem people had with Teddy wasnt that it was an accident, which obviously it was, but that he left her, (he was disoriented) and then he was lawyered up. And you seem to be bitter about the whole Carter (not democratic party, obviously) supposed response. Too bad for you. Cant imagine any of you all here feeling the same if it was Hillary who had surfaced from that lake and gone squish squashing home. As for Teddy Ive defended him fine at CNN and MSNBC just this week. My point was to make a comparison of the slant against Hillary and how everyone is needing to make her seem evil to justify their need to hate someone. Which is what it is. It's all a distraction and a waste of time. And sorry if using Chappaquidick upset anyone. I was writing with the flow. It was a string feeling of needy a juxtapose to point out some of the real extremes here these days.No disrespect intended so dont take any.

And then you go calling my poem crap, Ken Burch! lol! Okay! Yeah good I'm glad you think it's half-assed. I've been writing it like that for years. In the end family's family - as I'd hope we all like to think as Democrats, at least I would hope though Hill friends arent feeling the love too much these days - I'm gonna rib, and rustle heads of hair, and pipe up when I see family being swayed to bad blood and meanness and drawn to the negative side of things. Dont get caught in the mire. It's very hard to get out. Just focus on our man. I know you can.

ps. I dont write rap. I rap presents right. Err I mean wrap.

Obama '08

Do we right wrongs
or find rights for our wrongs
along a self righteous indignation
that has no right to bear
itself under our bare shoulders
Boulders of hate
over us
and under we
are just waiting to cry
hear me!
I am here!
But hate doesnt want
anyone's ear on you
and so the hate finds faces
and places
and people
and cases
of anger
and anything and everything
everywhere
to give you that feeling
of despair
until you realize
you should be here
but you are suddenly
there
be aware
awake
arise
reborn
from the lies
you are an angel

an angel
you

[Ken Burch]

547. I don't have a bitter feeling about the response. I was simply pointing out

That the response proved that the party DIDN'T let Teddy off the hook for what happened. If the party had "let Chappaquiddick go", Teddy would have been nominated in 1980. Now do you get the point I was making?

And of course rap is spoken, but your poem was written in a hiphop-like style. Hairsplitting much?

[panzerfaust]

565. It was not the fact of the accident that caused the furor ...

... it was the fact of how he left her in the car, and did not get around to saying anything to the authorities until after her body had been recovered the next day.

[Butch350]

524. 191. What the fuck are you talking about?

Married your cousin did cha?

[SpiralHawk]

122. Totally pathetic, Hillary. You've lost me forever with that one...

I used to admire you. At one time I considered voting for you.

But fuggetaboutit. You have been so harsh and negative over the last two months. This TOTALLY DOES IT for this former supporter.

You are toast.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

165. She is not safe to be let loose

[Kaleko]

247. HuffPo has the video with updated comments from the Clinton

and Obama campaigns: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/clinton-kennedy-assassina_n_103319.html

[ObamaKerryDem]

400. 100% agree!

Hillary and her team have said and done some pretty fucked up things throughout the course of this race, but this one takes the cake. "Gaffe" or not, you should NEVER inject something like THAT into an argument. Insensitive at BEST. Like you, though I did not vote for her, I used to admire Hillary Clinton. Not anymore. And any inkling of respect I had left (including any openness to her being on the ticket) is, after today, GONE. :grr:

Can't wait to hear KO's Special Comment about this tonight.

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[laylah]

Actually she HAS really

done it now...and I agree. Welcome to one of the last sane places in the good ol' US of A :toast:

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[william37]

386. How classy of the Obama supporters

Do you refer to your mother and sisters and bitches?

[Common Sense Party]

137. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyFqmp4wzI

[Muttocracy]

154. thanks - makes it seem more random, but she lied about Obama pushing her out

right before the "june" stuff. He's said nothing about pushing her out of the race.

I don't know if what she said was off the cuff or not - I can't tell anymore.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

284. Well then join the rest of the lynch mob here and ASSUME the worst

regardless of possible evidence to the contrary. And yes, Obama has been making comments to the effect that the race will be over soon, people not having to wait much longer, etc., as did Edwards when he made the endorsement speech. I guess I can understand her feeling he is pushing her out.

[Muttocracy]

saying the race will be over soon does not equal saying she must quit now. nt

[eowyn_of_rohan]

320. Not to a literalist -nt

[roguevalley]

343. she expects that history will repeat and she has to be there for it.

so frankly, you have nothing against inciting assassination? sad.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

349. You're off the deep end

your hate has gotten in the way of your ability to see more than one side of a story. I havent had anything to do with these Hillary witch burnings or Obama orgies on DU until today. I just can't stand to be silent anymore. It seems DU has become short for "duh". Wonder if it will ever go back to the way it was... HAve a good evening. I know I will.

[Muttocracy]

436. actually I'm more of a calendarist

Primaries end June 3; many of the uncommitted SDs have said they are waiting for that.

So yes, it will be over soon, unless the SDs spend all summer switching back and forth :shrug:

[cyndensco]

331. You're serious, huh?

Obama said the race will be over soon because hrc had pretty much lost it at that point. The math was against her. He was not pushing her out, he was stating a fact. He probably would have preferred her to have conceded then - most sane people would have bowed out gracefully - but he did not ask her to leave.

Can you honestly equate his suggesting the race would be over soon to her suggestion that his campaign might end as RFK's did? I just cannot understand how anyone could still support that nut. She is beyond scary!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

341. DU has gotten more scary than any candidate

Can you comprehend that she ALSO was stating a point - a fact, in fact? Do you consider, as I already mentioned, that the possibility of assassination (perish the thought) is something she faces as well? I agree it is something that shouldn't even be uttered, but I do not see her comment as pointed toward obama.

[nankerphelge]

502. I will not support HRC...

under any circumstances. If she figures out a way to slime her way into the nomination, I'll write in Gore.

[roguevalley]

340. eowyn, there is no defense of this. if you feel there is something

mitigating here, then i feel sorry for you. She is sick in the head. Teddy in the hospital and her using his brother's dead body as a justification. put mccain in place of her and tell you you still would consider the LEGITIMATE outrage here as a lynch mob.

[JeanGrey]

517. Sigh. People are GENTLY trying to make her see what she

refuses to see. It's OVER. It has been over since February 5th, JUST LIKE HILLARY SAID.

The rest has been painful, hurtful to our party, and she just needs to go with dignity but no, she has to keep making a fool of herself...................

[MindMatter]

310. Does it make it any better if it s just a random thought?

What was she doing with that kind of thought in her head in the first place?

It is very revealing.

[Muttocracy]

437. No, I didn't mean it made it better or worse - just different

than what I thought at first - I think my first impression was that it was some sort of prepared remarks. It's still so beyond the pale that don't chalk it up to verbal stumbling, plus it's been repeated. I agree with those who've posted Freudian slip, as you said, very revealing.

[MindMatter]

484. It WAS a prepared remark

Go listen to Olbermann's special comment tonight. He laid out the history of this remark in detail. She used almost an identical one in Time 4 months ago. Immediately after that, she pulled back and used the argument without referring to the assassination. That was obviously purposeful when she pulled it back. Knowing that, it is revealed that she used it today INTENTIONALLY. It was no slip of the tongue.

[Muttocracy]

487. I just meant reading off a speech vs. in discussion

I don't think she says anything spontaneous anymore, so yeah, it makes it extra appalling.

[mod mom]

199. THIS IS WHY SHE CAN'T BE THE VP CHOICE! She's horrid. I am ashamed that she is the first

real contender who is female!

[Blaq Dem]

563. Obama would need a taste tester AND a bullet proof jacket with her on the ticket

Hillary is a very desperate woman. If she were VP, Obama would have to watch for "accidents". Hillary might draw conspiracies to have him impeached too.

[Supersedeas]

217. thanks for the link

[hisownpetard]

236. She is demented. Obama has constantly said JUST THE OPPOSITE of what she's alleging.

He has said that he doesn't think Hillary should get out of the race until she's ready to, that he certainly
would not tell her anything to the contrary.

How stupid does she think we all are? I mean, really! Her lack of respect for the intelligence of the American public
will be her total undoing.

And her mentioning that, btw, Bobby Kennedy's assassination in June was so distasteful - even for her - that I feel like
I need to take a hot shower...

She should be ashamed of herself. This is disgusting.

[cyndensco]

332. How stupid does she think we all are?

I guess some of us are - some are still defending her....:crazy:

[Barack_America]

249. Still, why mention the assassination? Why no mention of '84?

Why not say, "the primaries went until June in '92, '84, '80, '68, etc."?

This is the third time she's mentioned RFK's assassination.

Why?

[BHOin2008]

257. Uh, Because...

...maybe she's so incensed about the nomination being "stolen" away that she and Bill are thinking of the unthinkable.

Howard Dean was worried about the Clintons' ties to the Dixie mob going back into the nineties.

[Barack_America]

266. Wow. Honored to be the recipient of your first post.

Welcome to DU!?!?

[orleans]

319. excellent point. n/t

[timtom]

523. I am in agreement with BrentTaylor

I had refused to read the story about her "gaffe". Wasn't interested. But this morning I decided "What the Hell?" So I read it at a Time website.

My initial reaction was a resounding "WTF!!!???" It is so shockingly clear that HRC was providing a brief catalog of primary timetables that ran through June. A list of historical precedents.

To interpret it any other way is...is...Gawd! I'm so tired of using the word, "disingenuous" I could scream. But it is apparent that a whole lot of people in this great land of ours can't read a paragraph and see the intent. It happens with posts on this board all the time. It happens everywhere!

Pathetic.

[pajjr]

526. I hate to say it

But this kind of creative interpretation and the ensuing tempest in a tea cup make me think our party is very dysfunctional.

[flor de jasmim]

2. Get out the straight-jacket for her - this is outrageous!

[MindMatter]

22. Every time I think she has gone over the top, she comes up with something even more outrageous.

I don't know how it can get worse than suggesting assassination is a live scenario.

I guess she could say, "Well, we really don't know what could come out next week on Senator Obama. For all we know he is a serial killer who sodomized young children when he isn't murdering hookers on the boardwalk. And if that news comes out, you would be glad that the nomination is still undecided."

[Stuart G]

121. Agreed...pathetic, more over the top than any other statements..beyond discription..

While many have thought about this (because of the fear in it, and worry about Obama...)
..... for her to mention it, as an opposing candidate..is beyond belief...it is the saddest thing she has ever said..
..... not much more to say here........

[Window]

174. Absolutely. There should be zero tolerance for this type of shit.

That's one thought she definitely should have bit back. Actually, it should never have been on the tip of her tongue.

My God, Hillary, that's just sick.

[Window]

198. She'd better PRAY nothing happens to Sen. Obama. This, followed by those white supremacist's

threats in the past couple of days does sit well at all.

[zonmoy]

221. so called supremacists

were merely setting up the fall guys for the real villains. Hillary's job was to try to politically stop him but failed. If he is a true peoples candidate then the next logical step is assassination.

[asthmaticeog]

248. self delete

posted in the wrong place, sorry.

[Lugnut]

190. It's stunning.

Nothing she says from now on can ever redeem her in my eyes. She's either incredibly obtuse or out of her mind.

[MindMatter]

304. This is really despicable. She doesn't quite get to the point of asking hitmen to make her an offer

but there is nothing that could possibly justify bringing that up.

It was either intentional, a premeditated idea that she calculated would shake things up, or else it was one of those things floating around in the back of her mind that just came to the fore at that moment. Either way, it is horrible, and he is as horrible a person as I have ever witnessed on the public stage.

[Heather MC]

297. One straight-jacket coming right up!

[Forkboy]

3. ......

:wow:

She is OFFICIALLY a fucked up human piece of trash.

[Ned_Devine]

4. Tact: zero

[polichick]

5. I've wondered when she'd suggest that...

The campaign keeps saying, "Anything could happen."

[TBF]

30. I was suprised when Huckabee said it first - I thought for sure she'd be the first to suggest it.

Now we'll have every wacko on both sides of the spectrum trying to make their martyr happy.

[polichick]

42. I just called Gov. Rendell's office about this - she has to be stopped.

[RazBerryBeret]

346. did you get any response?

Just interested...

[LiberalLovinLug]

308. What's scarey is that it is being repeated and repeated

until some jack-ass who is glued to reich-wing radio, and one brick short, will take her up on the 'offer'.

Huckabee 'joked' about it. And before that I have heard others 'worry about it happening' on talk shows and even on blogs like this one. And don't forget the Georgia newspaper front page image last month shown below.

There is a chance McCain or Hillary could also be assassinated. But how many times has that been mentioned? All I'm waiting for now is a week long MSM investigation on 'if and when Obama gets shot down'.

For these few Hillary supporters to suggest that it's a harmless statement is astounding.
By this scenario being repeated constantly everywhere, those few sickos out there will mistakenly be bolstered by the misconception that the idea is somehow acceptable to a lot of people.

I too thought she couldn't stoop much lower. I am constantly being surprised.

[Tafiti]

309. Funny slogan suggestion by a commenter on YouTube:

"Hilary '08: Because the black guy just might get shot." Yikes.

[cyndensco]

348. I thought her "anything could happen" statements

implied they might have something on Obama. NEVER did I think she might be referring to his demise ala RFK. God, she has sunk to new depths...

[NewHampshireDem]

6. Words cannot describe

Un-fucking-believable

[samdogmom]

7. Oh! My! GOD! This woman is wacko!!!!

If you ask me, I think she's trying to "plant" ideas. If anything happens...she's Guilty as hell. I'm saving this link and I will make sure she is charged and brought to justice!

[eleny]

8. Doesn't she ever stop reaching for new lows?

This latest is disgusting.

[mr_hat]

9. It's a legitimate point.

What if everyone were killed but her? We'd be sorry we pushed her out early then, wouldn't we?

[IndyOp]

19. I think the sarcasm in your post is pretty obvious, but believe it or not you'll

probably get some queries about whether or not you are serious.

Sarcasm tag is the word sarcasm preceded and followed by a colon, the following without any spaces

: sarcasm :

Appears as :sarcasm:

[IronLionZion]

41. For posting the code for an emoticon, simply check the box labeled:

Check if you DO NOT wish to use emotion icons in your message OR Check here if you want to format your message in plain text. Use for posting code snippets.

:sarcasm:

[IndyOp]

44. Thank you - handy bit of info! Very handsome man in your sig line. :-) (n/t)

[ElboRuum]

185. New emoticons required...

I want the :omfgthisisfuuuuuckedup: emoticon. It would be an animation of a smiley being sucked down a vortex into hell.

[JPZenger]

519. I saw emoticon of a face vomiting. That would be appropriate here. nt

[Raineyb]

I would prop up a stinking corpse before I turn to her.

This is beyond the pale.

Unbelieveable!

:wow:

Picking my chin up from the floor now.

Regards

[lse7581011]

156. Then

I would stay home 'cause I still wouldn't vote for her!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

290. It is a very legitimate point

It is a fact. It is a practical concern. And she no doubt gets plenty of death threats herself, so the concept is probably on her mind more than people are aware.

[ShortnFiery]

344. No, you KNOW that saying it to the M$M is unacceptable? If you don't then may God have mercy

on your soul for I fear that your "heart is as dark" as The Clintons. :(

[eowyn_of_rohan]

369. I am not sure what her exact words were or the context from which they were taken

I haven't seen the video because I need to upgrade to adobe whatever to see it, and havent done it yet. I think it was a mistake to say it, and in poor taste, but I don't know that it was malicious as everyone here so venomously (word!) insists. As I said, she is a victim of constant threats herself. I don't know what was in her mind and I reserve the right to not pass judgment immediately, like so many here are. I do wonder how either candidate can go on like they do, day after week after month without a rest, with cameras and mics in their faces, with spin doctors waiting like hungry rats for the one slip-up that will become the next media sensation. I for one would be BURNED OUT...

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[ObamaKerryDem]

407. Maybe..

but still, you should never air that PUBLICALLY, on TV where any nutjob, KKK type could see and be (further) tempted. For her to actually go public with this, "concern" or not, is just tasteless at VERY best..

[youngharry]

370. Hillary the last candidate standing

No. No way. The Convention is free to choose whoever they want and by damn it wont be Hillary. They will draft Gore or Edwards over this low-down bitch. I'm beginning to believe the stories about Vince Foster now. It's time to re-investigate his death.

[JeanGrey]

521. And to think all those years I had a close friend who kept

telling me about the Clinton's and I refused to believe it, and we had many HORRIBLE fights over them. And boy is she smirking now.....................

[Liberal Gramma]

385. Wouldn't that make you a little bit suspicious? All of them...except her?

I know she appeals to the low-education voters, but doesn't that sound the alarm?

[AngryOldDem]

539. The fact that jokes are being even made about this just sickens me.

[stlsaxman]

544. if everyone else were killed she'd be "King Of The World"!

anything could happen, right?

:sarcasm:

Hell, let her STAY in the race. If the worst should happen, we'd know who to blame.

[graywarrior]

10. WTF is wrong with her?

Planting the seed? Jesus H. Christ.

[CountAllVotes]

11. whelp, there goes the possible VP job Hillary

Hillary go the hell home would you PLEASE!!!

:argh:

:dem:

[Muttocracy]

20. seriously - she just gave Obama the perfect explanation for not picking her. nt

[CountAllVotes]

26. yep it is Hillary Pack Your Bags!

n/t :argh:

[Wizard777]

80. Now the only vote I would give Hillary is for her expulsion from the party.

Send her packing back to the republicans she came from.

[JPZenger]

520. I've been saying Hillary deserves VP consideration ... until now nt

[Muttocracy]

12. wasn't there a less direct allusion to it a couple of weeks ago?

by her or Bill? No guessing what she meant by "assassinated" here.

I'm sorry, but if something did happen to Obama, she doesn't get the nomination automatically anyway. The other candidates who dropped out (who could do math) dropped out in competition with Obama, not to make way for her.

She is out of control.

[Muttocracy]

69. someone posted about it in the other thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6092149#6092273

[jonestonesusa]

424. She also made a similar remark in March...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/clinton.comments/?iref=mpstoryview

[democrank]

13. Why the hell don`t we just crown her and get it over with?

You know...tiara, emeralds, ermine collar, the whole bit. Geez....

[BattyDem]

14. Oh.My.GOD!!!

:wow: :wow: :wow:

[hlthe2b]

15. Very Very Very Very Very Very Stupid to say this....

I fear her self-destruction may be complete with this expressed comment. I've been a middle of the roader and a devil's advocate throughout, but this may just be the straw that breaks ALL camel backs....

[Stuart G]

528. Beyond very stupid...............

Sick...sickest thing she has ever said...

[skipos]

16. Disgusting. nt

[Bicoastal]

17. This...this...this is absolutely inexcusable.

"Why should I drop out, anyway? ANYTHING could happen at this point! Including a national tragedy in which a beloved young Senator is killed by a lone gunman!"

Oooooooh....must...not...hurl...invective. :mad:

[Raven]

18. So reckless. Beyond acceptable politics...beyond belief. n/t

[MindMatter]

25. Is it OK if I call her a bitch now?

[CountAllVotes]

32. suits me fine

luckily I don't own a f'g pantsuit! :argh: :argh: !!

[Sequoia]

232. Ha, no pansuit ....no votes!

Don't they remind you of those polyester double knit ones from late 1960s. If she has to wear pants why can't she wear outfits that are more hip. Like Annie Hall, Katherine Hepburn, or gosh, I don't know but, you see women dressed in pants and nice tops at airports that don't look like they're from 1968.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

323. WTF is the problem here with her wearing pantsuits?

This is what the sexist freepers have used against her... you don't want to come across as dumb as THEY are, now, do you?

[muryan]

358. I just find pantsuits unattractive

I think the obsession in freeper land is that it makes her look manly, and furthering their twisted logic that shes a butch lesbian. I think the references here are just observations that well...she only wears pantsuits. I havent seen a single post calling her gay, so it doesn't carry the innuendo of freeper posts.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

371. so if she wore a skirt everyone would cut her legs down.

how would you like to be in her position? It is very sexist to cut her down for wearing SUITS with PANTS, when that is what every damn male candidate wears.

[Buns_of_Fire]

390. Except, on occasion, Rudy Giuliani. But then, we know he's got nice legs.

(WHAT am I SAYING??? :banghead: )

[muryan]

476. I understand her rationale for wearing them

I was just pointing out the subtle but important difference between the reasons for mentioning her pantsuit affinity.

[BattyDem]

38. Fine by me. I'm a woman and that's the first thing I said when I read this story.

I literally screamed it at my computer monitor. :grr:

[Wizard777]

86. NOPE! Call her a SNIDE BITCH! You gotta go for accuracy.

[Jennifer C]

21. Disgusting

Pathetic, desperate, sick :thumbsdown:

[wtmusic]

23. Ouch.

Bet she wishes she could take that one back.

Better that we find out now. :scared:

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[burythehatchet]

27. Let me go ahead and quote all the "seriuos" commentaters on DU

"this is not helpful"

"please stop, we need her supporters"

"what's wrong with what she said"

"why do you hate women"

that about cover it?

Fuck her

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. That's it - No way will she get my vote if she becomes the nominee

Too far over the line this time, lady.

Better practice baking cookies...............

[Damian the LHP]

136. You know...

...you could've had a perfectly fine point if you hadn't resorted to sexist bullshit right at the end there. Way to give them ammo, genius.

[Drunken Irishman]

29. Just when you think she can't go any lower....

She pulls this out of her ass.

Wow. I don't care what her point is, you don't talk about the possible assassination of a presidential candidate as reason to stay in the goddamn race.

[progressoid]

31. Uhhhhh..WTF?

:wtf:

[formercia]

33. Hillary takes out 31 Millon dollar insurance policy on Obama.

Just being sarcastic.

[Vinca]

34. Yep, I knew it. That's what she's waiting for.

What a despicable creature she is.

[goclark]

339. She should be arrested for her statement

That's it, I'm done.

She is way to dangerous.

[cyndensco]

377. I bet if one of us said it the secret service would pay us a visit....

[disndat]

345. Obviously, that's why Bill

is pushing for the vp spot for her.

[angstlessk]

35. okay, I am putting on my oxygen tank and diving into the murk they call GDP in order to see reaction

there...wish me luck!

[kay1864]

36. Somebody please tell Hillary that "June is the new April"

Which means she's about a month and a half overdue.

:silly:

[OzarkDem]

37. How many of you know what year RFK was assassinated?

Do you realize the 40th anniversary of his death is coming up in a few weeks?

Her point is well taken and timely, in memory of RFK.

It has nothing to do with Obama - out here in the real world, most folks actually don't think about Obama 24/7.

[TheCowsCameHome]

46. Yes, she was merely commemorating Kennedy's assassination in '68

In your dreams..............she's cooked.

[Barack_America]

51. self-delete.

.

[TheCowsCameHome]

56. Only because another layer of her onion skin got peeled away

with her latest stupid remarks.....................

[JerseygirlCT]

75. While speculating about why she should keep campaigning...

right. No connection.

[Bicoastal]

49. WTF are you talking about? Why mention it while speaking about STAYING IN AN ELECTION?!

And on top of it, your assumption we don't realize that the year RFK was killed in was an election year is so.....so....

God. You actually went and did it. I now actually hate you for defending her.

[Spazito]

54. Geez, pathetic attempt, really pathetic attempt

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.


There is NO WAY you can mis-interpret her words, NO WAY AT ALL.

[ReformedChris]

55. Fine if she was just honoring RFK, but she injected Bill's June Primary Victory to make a point..

This was a bad comment to make. Its going to be slanted and spun the wrong way and she really can't defend it. Honor RFK on in a different way, don't throw in a reason why you should keep on fighting.

[Mongooseflies]

59. You've got to be kidding me

to think she brought that up to RECOGNIZE the 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination???
That is truly a laughable rationalization. Especially in light of Schmuckabee's gaffe.


:freak:

[slutticus]

83. Wait wait wait....help me understand....

Why couldn't she have just said "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?"

Why the need to add "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it,"

She could have brought up RFK at any other time.

Help me understand. Please.

[RaleighNCDUer]

182. I think it is just that those are the two June primaries that stick out in her mind.

Her husband's, for obvious reasons, and '68, because NOBODY could forget that summer who lived through it. I don't believe that she was really talking about hanging in there because you never know what might happen - I think it is purely political tone-deafness. She wanted examples of a primary being decided late, and other than the convention fight which killed the Dems in 80, those were all she could think of and she would NEVER draw parallels to '80.

Not evil, but a whole lot more stupid than I would have ever believed.

[roguevalley]

352. BULLSHIT! If what you say is true, she is too stupid to be president.

she knew what she was saying and got it toward the end, how awful it was, hence her lame trailing off remarks. she meant it. she expects it to happen in June. DON'T ALIBI HER!

[mudesi]

95. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Do you Hillary supporters have NO shame?

This latest scummy utterance from Hillary Clinton is completely indefensible. Completely.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

ignore is my friend. Almost sorry I missed it.

but, then again, hillaryan aryans have no shame at all.

[asthmaticeog]

172. OK, I've always thought you were possibly insane, but this is several leagues deep in the Kool Aid.

:puke:

[IsItJustMe]

178. What the fuck is with you people? Jesus H Christ. Has everything become acceptable now.

[DAGDA56]

188. June 6, 1968...I was old enough to remember...I was living on the East Coast...

...so I didn't find out until the next morning. I remember it very well...this is not what I would call a tribute, or even a commeration on her part. There is no amount of verbal gymnastics you can use to justify this.

[CreekDog]

189. and in bad taste

right?

[Kool Kitty]

206. I remember it too well,

Stood trackside to watch his funeral train pass. So what was her point? "Look, if he gets shot, then what do you do?" Was that her point? Tone-deaf dumb thing to say.

[rateyes]

207. Do you ever get dizzy spinning around like that?

:shrug:

[rebel with a cause]

212. even if this is a slip of the tongue.

this shows she does not think before she speaks. A dangerous thing for someone who wants to be president, just look at bush. If she was just thinking that he was still running for the nomination when he was assssinated, she could have said it a lot better than that. An example, "Bobby Kennedy was still running for the nomination when he was assassinated in June."

As for your statement "out here in the real world, most folks actually don't think about Obama 24/7." Well, out there in the real world evidently Hillary is thinking of Barack 24/7 because she is talking about him or alluding to him all of that, and everything she does has to do with Barack Obama.

And come on, her point was not in memory of RFK. Give me a break. You should have just said she mis-spoke. That might have been believable.

[defendandprotect]

261. This is up there with Bosnia B.S. --- maybe over it ---- ?????

[rebel with a cause]

322. I would say above it.

This is a way for her to graciously bow out of the campaign. Say that it is taking too high a tow on her and the demoratic party and she has decided to stop. Say that when she mistakenly made such a harmful, damaging statement, she realized that her fatique had affected her more than she realized. So in consideration for the party, she was dropping out of the campaign. There Hillary, I am giving you an exit, please (for all of us) please take it.

[roguevalley]

353. given Teddy being sick. yeah. way above it.

[Pale Blue Dot]

238. Yes, I'm sure that's what it is.

:eyes:

[theboss]

242. It was 1954 of course

Don't act like I don't know nothin'.

[beac]

338. Would that have been the election where she was prez of...

... the College Republicans?????



I am a middle-aged woman who couldn't be more FURIOUS at the damage Hillary has done to women in politics. Thanks to her nonsense, it will probably be fifty years before we see a Madam President!


(and FYI, yes this is my first post, but I have been reading DU since 2000.)

[cyndensco]

373. Don't worry.

I don't think hillary has ruined it for other women. She has not helped, for sure, but there will be a woman soon who will be taken seriously. She is just not the one!!!

[roguevalley]

350. bullshit. she was mentioning that she expects history to repeat itself

in June. you are living in a delusion if you think she gives a FLYING FUCK about RFK. those of us alive who remember those days would never 'commemorate' his death with this comment. FUCK OFF!

[Frank Cannon]

392. ...

[AngryOldDem]

541. Spin, spin, spin.....

Stop when you get dizzy.

[CountAllVotes]

551. we don't need any "reminders"

and it was in extremely poor taste given the recent diagnosis of Senator Kennedy. It was beyond the pale.

She is a delusional, pathological liar!

She should step down NOW and get OUT OF THE RACE and shut the hell up and oh yeah, take BILL with her!!!

:dem:

[grassfed]

39. Her soulsick supporters shouldn't dare show their faces after that

[Barack_America]

48. *cough*

Look up.

[CreekDog]

194. to be fair, only one of them has defended the comment in this thread so far

i just told a friend who supported her what she said and he said, "are you kidding me???".

[Mongooseflies]

40. I've been staying out of this back and forth bickering...

...but this latest effort on her part clearly destroyed any shred of decency she had.

:freak:

[peaches2003]

43. And where are all the HIllary avatars today?

No comments? No excuses for her this time? :grr:

[grassfed]

52. they ran off for more haagen dazs to fortify themselves for the big finish

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[graycem]

47. I haven't been one

to jump up and down with angered excitement or outrage over everything she's said, because this is politics after all is said and done.

But this is pretty fucking distasteful. I can't even think of anything TO say, but WOW.

[slutticus]

50. You've got to be shitting me.....

Is this for real?

Wouldn't her argument have been just as effective if she had only mentioned her husband's nomination?

Unless......


Wow.

I've tried to stay neutral through all of this....but I guess this is the end of the line for me. Actually no....I'll remain neutral with the desperate hope that this was somehow taken out of context.

[sinkingfeeling]

53. Disgusting headline from a disgusting rag. The California primary used to be held in June.

This thread should be moved to GD-P, since I now see that all the anti-Clinton people are piling on. She made an accurate statement and that has 'offended' the poor things.

[yodermon]

72. But what does RFK's *ASSASSINATION* have to do with the primary dates?

why mention it? what was the point?

[Bluebear]

79. To highlight that th '68 primary went into June, though she could not have been more tactless

[sinkingfeeling]

81. Because, it was an historical event that most people remember. The JUNE 1968 California primary.

Just like she mentioned the June 1992 California primary. Primary were just getting started in June until the lunacy of starting the campaign years in advance took hold. I'm out of here.

[roguevalley]

360. good bye.

[sinkingfeeling]

82. Because, it was an historical event that most people remember. The JUNE 1968 California primary.

Just like she mentioned the June 1992 California primary. Primary were just getting started in June until the lunacy of starting the campaign years in advance took hold. I'm out of here.

[TBF]

84. If someone brought up your name with assassination would you be offended? Would

you possibly be worried? Or would you just reply "that's an accurate statement."

[cui bono]

167. Oh please, as if she didn't know what using the word assassination would suggest...

She is pulling out every trick she can think of. She has stooped as low as Limbaugh now.

[MessiahRp]

186. How about the AP reporting it, does that still make it "from a disgusting rag"?

She said what she said and no matter the publication it is utterly disgusting. She should be shamed from the party for this.

Rp

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http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080523/D90RIIIO0.html

Clinton cites Kennedy assassination in primaries

May 23, 4:26 PM (ET)

By DEVLIN BARRETT

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Sen. Hillary Clinton referred Friday to the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968 Democratic campaign as a reason she should continue to campaign despite increasingly long odds.

Clinton was responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of dropping out.

Clinton said she didn't understand why, given this history, some Democrats were calling for her to quit.

-More at link-

[rebel with a cause]

230. It is also on MSNBC

"From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
This might not help the Hillary-for-veep chatter... The New York Post writes, "Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama. 'My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it,' she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/23/1058940.aspx

Updaded before I even post: Hillary has now sent out a statment and it is included in this article, and I will post it below. But note there is no apology to Obama or for...well, you get my drift.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to and I'm honored to hold sen. Kennedy's seat in the United States Senate in the state of New York, and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family."

[Bette Noir]

227. YUO'RE DEFENDING HER!!!!!!!!???????

[HughMoran]

307. Newby. ALL CAPS. Misspelled subject.

yep, you fit the expected profile...

[But....]

412. ....

Wow, I can't believe how close I come to posting some really offensive stuff. However internet manners are not the subject here. Cap lock does not trump assassination hopes.

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[Bluebear]

379. A close Obama ally in the Senate, Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, said he accepted her explanation.

"I know Hillary Clinton, and the last thing in the world she'd ever want is to wish misfortune on anybody. She and Barack are friends," Durbin said. "It was ... a careless remark and we'll leave it at that."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/ap_on_el_pr/clinton

I am tired of thsi race too, but you really in your heart of hearts think she was "advocating assassination"?

[defendandprotect]

398. In my heart of hearts, I think she was speaking from a subconscious hope ---

in her battered little brain --- that SOMETHING was going to give her this nomination ---

and in poor taste and thoughtlessness, she blurted this out ---

Just like Bosnia --- crap comes pouring out!!!

[AngryOldDem]

542. Disgusting comment from a disgusting human being, IMO. n/t

[Mad_Dem_X]

57. Um, what?

What does Bobby Kennedy's assassination have to do with her husband winning California? :crazy:

[kentj44]

60. are you

shitting me,damn,holy frig,shes slap dad crazy.

[yodermon]

61. What did she even mean by that? The comment was a non-sequitur.

What was the point even supposed to be?
That the CA primary was in June in 1968? WTF does his *assassination* have to do with the primary dates?

:wtf: :crazy: :wtf: :crazy: :wtf: :crazy: :wtf: :crazy: :wtf: :crazy:

[salinen]

62. Hillary/Huckabee '08

[CountAllVotes]

91. hey now there ya go!

gotta love it! :rofl:

[Khaotic]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BklynChick]

63. she is sick

[eleny]

64. Schuster is covering it on MSNBC today

[TexasLady]

65. wow. not cool.

not cool at all.

[MilesColtrane]

66. So now she's staying in the race just in case somebody kills the nominee?

Twisted and pathetic, and especially classless to bring up Bobby Kennedy's murder while his brother, who surely is following the race closely, is fighting for his very life.

[Divernan]

147. She's staying in the race in the hopeful EXPECTATION that someone will kill her opponent.

I wonder if that master of the passive-agressive, her loving husband, suggested she refer to this, knowing the horrified response it would trigger.

[frog92969]

67. Self admitted circling vulture!

There you have it.

[Kaleko]

140. That's exactly the impression most everyone takes away from her remarks. n/t

[frog92969]

250. Most everyone

but appearantly no everybody, some still find ways to spin it.

IMO it has to be either sexism or racism that keeps these unfortunate people pushing for her to steal the election and not get behind the Dem Nominee.

BTW She was my #1 for about a month when this started, but then I did some research.

[IsItJustMe]

193. Bingo. Waiting, waiting, waiting. NOW!

[Barack_America]

68. Folks she says this the week the last Kennedy brother was diagnosed with likely fatal cancer.

I'd just like to point this out as well.

Tribute to the 40th anniversary of Bobby assassination, my ass.

[ronnykmarshall]

103. and speaking of Ted ...

looks like that little Miss Goody Two-Shoes pledge ended pretty fast.

[Barack_America]

112. I tried man, I tried. But this is inexcusable. This is cruel on her part.

This is the last straw. I tried. I'm sorry.

[Window]

263. Yes. Which makes what she said even worse. I wonder what's going through the Kennedy's minds as

they hear this. :puke:

[Wizard777]

440. I just hope Obama's kids don't hear about this.

But I don't know how they are going to keep it from them. It's everywhere.

[Window]

447. Dear Lord! I hope not, but I bet Michelle is hopping mad.

[HereSince1628]

70. She apparently reads the Roswell Beacon...

NOW can we say she has gone too far?

[peaches2003]

89. Roswell Beacon?

GA? If so, did you read that crappy article about the wacked out militias up around Cumming getting ready for a race war if Obama is elected? I couldn't believe they printed that garbage about these nutbags. It just incites the rest of the neanderthals around here.

[HereSince1628]

149. Yes, I read it. And I think HRC did, too.

At this point she is:

1. Damaging the candidate (and ideating her presidency based on threats to Obama's life)

2. She is damaging the party. Her play book could be an appendix to Limbaugh's Operation Chaos.

3. She is exploiting fear of civil unrest and helping to create the climate that will generate it.

If a regular person did this they'd end up in FBI custody.

[natrat]

413. she's a fucking neocon for intents and purposes

[sinkingfeeling]

71. Every poster on this thread makes me sick! This doesn't belong here. Take your

pathetic lack of reading skills and go to GD-P. For God's sake, she just made a statement and you and that filty rag have to try and make something else out of it. You're all disgusting.

[FreeState]

77. Agree with you 100% n/t

[Damian the LHP]

153. Do you two need a room?

I could spring for one, if you'd like.

[Bluebear]

162. Why don't you toss the site a few bucks then?

[FreeState]

222. Grow up please n/t

[Mongooseflies]

87. how can you possibly defend this?

taken out of context? The is NO CONTEXT where it would be appropriate.
ESPECIALLY after justifying why she's still in the running.
How pathetic...


:banghead:

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

126. They (all 2 of them) are defending this because

they are tired of ducking down to dodge sniper bullets,

they are cork-screwing down to avoid a hard landing,

all the time looking for those rocket grenades,

and most of all, they are keeping us all busy here,

so we don't notice Billy out there arm-twisting to make her VP.

[Carolina]

114. you have the right avatar, you should have a sinking

feeling because of your stinking candidate and her pathetic sinking campaign.

[SammyWinstonJack]

157. !!!

:thumbsup:

[LiberalLovinLug]

253. "For God's sake, she just made a statement"

yeah "just a statement"

like "It's nice weather we're having"

or "I simply must get my roses pruned this weekend"

what planet are you from? YOU are showing disgusting behavior in shrugging off such a desperately reckless statement like that.

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[Window]

273. You make me sick. Who in hell are you to tell members where they can and cannot post.

[undeterred]

312. Don't keep defending her.

She's shown her heart and soul and there is no statement that can make us unsee what we've seen.

[beac]

354. No, we are digust-ed...

Hillary's comment was disgust-ing.

And it doesn't matter WHY she said it. It's just more proof that she has no "filter" and lacks good judgement. Are those traits we want in our leader? I think not-- we've had 7 years of that already!

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[lakercub]

404. Awful

No matter what your candidate says, you just smile merrily along. You can at least be adult enough to admit it was in EXTREMELY poor taste. If not, then you should put your computer away and learn to be a real human being...or at least learn to read.

I don't think there was any advocation of assassination here. I won't put that on her. But to say she is staying in the race because you never know what might happen, and then brings up an assassination? That CAN NOT be put in a good light. And if you see it as nothing but a harmless truthful comment...then you should be sick. Sick at your own indecency. Nobody here is more disgusting than the people who have no problem with this.

[apocalypsehow]

555. What's disgusting is someone who would defend the indefensible. Truly sick. n/t.

[Wizard777]

73. Un fucking believable.

:wow: :puke: :grr: :nuke:

[Bluebear]

74. Awkward, tactless, but did she not mean that primary seasons last until June?

Since when do folks here rely on the NYPost for interpretation?

[mudesi]

90. A quote is a quote

It is clear what she was saying.

[Bluebear]

99. Well, I know it would be clear to *you* what she is saying.

But only an idiot and the New York Post would extrapolate from her stupidity that she is staying in the race in case Obama is killed. Again, it was a ridiculous and tactless thing to say, though.

[slutticus]

116. I dunno Bluebear. I don't find Hillary to be a stupid person.

Why couldn't she have just said "the '92 and '68 primaries went into June, so lay off me!"

But I guess it's impossible to know what's going on in someone's head when they are pressed for a quote. Maybe she just royally fucked up....I just don't know anymore with all this...........

[Bluebear]

119. She royally fucked up.

And I mean royally.

She's trying to amplify the fact that primaries run into June and comes up with this little gem, which made my eyes pop out too.

[rebel with a cause]

243. It is covered by other news mediums.

I got it from MSNBC, and even posted her later statement up thread. It might have been a mis-speak, but if so it is a bad one and I still think she owes Obama an apology for saying it in this manner. Just my opinion.

[roguevalley]

364. its on film, blue bear. its damned clear what she said. its on the net

watch it.

[Carolina]

118. not just saying but hoping

she is giving voice to her most ardent hope. She is truly despicable. I don't excuse her words and actions by saying she is mentally unstable. Rather, she is just plain EVIL!

[AtheistCrusader]

375. Wow.

Being a woman, running for the presidency, AND a Clinton, I'm sure she's never received a death threat. Ever.

Her comment seems a little more stupid than malicious to me. She probably should have known better than to say that, but I think you're jumping to conclusions that this is something she actually hopes for.

[ronnykmarshall]

101. When it prints something shitty about Hillary

it's like it was written in gold.

[Carolina]

127. you Hilbots can't have it both ways

you can't have Shrillary schmooze with Rupert Murdoch and then cry foul when HIS paper quotes her fat, lying, vicious, despicable ASS.

[Common Sense Party]

141. Here's the golden video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyFqmp4wzI

Please explain what she really meant.

[MilesColtrane]

208. Right after those words came out of her mouth she realized she fucked up big time.

You can see it in her eyes.

Delicious irony that, while playing the victim and whining about how the Obama camp and the media are conspiring to push her out of the race, she's actually the one that ends any chance she had.

[martymar64]

264. She said what she said

Her chance for VP just went to zero. She'll now be lucky to get another term as Senator after that remark.

[Window]

286. When Hillary says something "shitty" she should be called on it. Period.

You'd do well not to add insult to injury.

[lakercub]

405. There is video

try again

[roguevalley]

363. its all over the wires, its on fucking film and there is no spin.

[southern_belle]

76. sounds like a veiled threat - or is it just me? n/t

:rant:

[Bette Noir]

237. It's not just you.

[Frisbee]

78. I've been wondering...

what it will take for her to be "Worst Person in the World" on Keith's show. I think this should just about do it. :mad:

[McCamy Taylor]

88. As if that matters any more. KO is Dem bait so that General Electric can mind fuck us w/ splitter pr

[Damian the LHP]

144. Are you on something?

If you are, up the dosage. If not, find something to get on.

[Frisbee]

317. While that may very well be true...

Sometimes when I get home from work, I like to open a beer and sit on the couch and watch some TV. So with the exception of a few "entertainment" shows I watch, unless it is Friday night and Bill Moyers is on, I am pretty much left with CNN (not an option), FOX (god forbid) or KO. So while KO may be something of a small oasis in a sea of BS, it is about the best one can do these days.

[roguevalley]

365. get help.

[mudesi]

85. Hillary supporters have NOTHING LEFT to defend

Unbelievable.

:puke:

[Subroutine]

97. How much is the bitch offering for the job?

This is fucking outrageous. Hillary should be taken into custody.

[SammyWinstonJack]

168. For what? And no I am not Hillary supporter. Don't support Obama either.

This is fucking outrageous. Hillary should be taken into custody. :eyes:

[scarletwoman]

305. Out of bounds. You do NOT use the word "bitch" to refer to ANY woman, EVER.

And I'm saying this as someone who utterly despises Hillary Clinton.

sw

[Muttocracy]

449. that was just a new disruptor, already gone. nt

[HughMoran]

92. Yeah, why don't these uppity women just shut up and go away?

Right? :eyes:

[Barack_America]

109. Don't even try to defend this.

This is indefensible.

She says this the week the last brother was diagnosed with a likely fatal cancer? When the anniversary of Bobby's assassination is coming up?

This is beyond the pale, and I suspect even you would admit that.

[Carolina]

133. YES

but this isn't uppity, this is despicable. Yes, I wish this lying, vicious, despicable, fat assed bitch would just shut up and go away.

[HughMoran]

142. Nice!

I'm tired of Hillary too, but I'm losing so much respect for people at DU lately that I think the site is unsalvagable.

This bile is totally unnecessary.

[Bluebear]

152. 'I think the site is unsalvagable.' - and ain't that sad? :(

[HughMoran]

164. Do you think it's a bit much?

I feel like I've clicked the wrong link at times!

[Bluebear]

169. Cunt, lard butt, fat ass....and that's just in this thread!

Maybe I expect too much from discussion boards, or from my history here. It has never been like this before.

[HughMoran]

181. It's never even been close to this level before

What I'm seeing lately is the antithesis of what I thought DU was all about.

I'm tempted to stereotype about the "new" influence here, but I'm hoping that people will have time to reflect after the election and will "mature" a bit :|

[Bluebear]

183. I can only think that the "new" influence will disappear once their goals are realized

and take a permanent powder. I certainly don't recognize most of these names from threads discussing human rights, poverty, etc.

[HughMoran]

197. Surely

It will be interesting to see who sticks around and where we go from that point onward. I won't miss 2008, that's for sure. I'm losing my optimism a bit, I hope Barack can bring it back once we start the "official" campaign.

[Mongooseflies]

277. waaa waaa waaaa!!!!

Stop crying and complaining - you come off like the spineless losers GOP scum paint Dems to be.
The animosity is here because of how certain people have chosen to conduct their campaign and no rationale can justify it.

[Name removed]

287. Deleted message

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[HughMoran]

306. You come across as

...well, can't be spoken here...

[Dogtown]

316. Exactly, Bluebear

I'm appalled and ashamed.

Some of these self-styled progressives become jabbering, mysoginistic mob at the slightest provocation.

Some are surely trolls, using trigger words. Some, I must admit, just shed the veneer of sensitivity and insult all of our sisters whenever their testes boil over.

To THEM:

Call HRC names, even fall for the bait the moles are dangling in front of you if you must, but will you PLEASE stop abusing our female members with your filth?

[Carolina]

155. oh no, the bile is warranted

[HughMoran]

166. Well, some are full of it, that's for sure

:puke:

[IsItJustMe]

204. Well what the hell do you expect when Hillary goes around talking about staying in the race just in

case?

You need to get real.

[Bluebear]

145. "fat assed bitch" - - are you a progressive? Just curious.

Your unmeasured descriptions in this thread just make me wonder.

[Carolina]

170. wonder on, I don't give a rip

I am sick and tired of being politically correct with the likes of HRC. She is not a progressive or a real Dem and she's being coddled lest we hurt her feelings or those of her supporters.

Well screw all that. She is making this a war! And quite frankly, calling her what she is feels damn good!

[Bluebear]

180. You obviously are enjoying yourself, that's for certain.

[HughMoran]

187. Heh, for sure

A little too much for my taste :silly:

[CaptJasHook]

223. Regardless of how you feel about her

It is still not okay for people to be using crap language like that. I wouldn't use those terms in any public conversation I would have... or any private one for that matter.

[rebel with a cause]

258. People say a lot of things in anger.

I ignore such things on this type of post. When it occurs in post where there is no outrage, then I take notice.

[HughMoran]

311. Aren't you just all above the fray

...doesn't make it right.

If you were truly ignoring it, you would be making excuses for it!!

[rebel with a cause]

315. I think you meant I wouldn't be making excuses for it.

But you are right in your post, I am not making excuses for it. Only saying that I over look it when posters are enraged, because I know that some people say things in anger that they would not say usually. Sorry that this upset you, because I was trying to give you a understanding where you would not be upset. I have health problems and I have to keep an even keel. That is why I try to not get upset unneccesarily. My high temper has been replaced with a much calmer demeanor. :)

[HughMoran]

318. I did see that typo after the fact - lol

Oh, well. You're correct that the best thing to do is ignore it, but if you've spent any time in GDP, you know that this has been going on for many months - and this is #1 on greatest. I've been ignoring GDP and most of the worst posters there, but this kinda brought that hell-hole out for all to see - and it ain't pretty as you can see.

[rebel with a cause]

330. Yeah, I have been away for some time.

My heart would not take it, and my daughter made me leave the board. I am still on probation on how long I can stay here. I don't like this kind of stereo typing, and I don't like that they use words that are demeaning to all women. I had a husband that called me "BITCH" until I devorced him. He not calls me "honey" when he sees me, and I just cringe. I just imagine this is his name for his third wife.

[Damian the LHP]

150. Yes, that's what this is about.

Not the implied threat, just because OMG SEXISM SEXISM U IS EBIL SEXISTS!

Pathetic.

[lakercub]

410. Women should stay

In fact, I feel like I'm being insulting by even saying that. They don't need my permission or anyone else's. They are equals in the party and should be treated that way. I also wish terms derogatory to women (and blacks, hispanics, men, etc.) would not be used on this site. I don't like her at all, and my dislike is growing by the minute, but I refuse to post these names for her as its disrespectful in general.

I would love a viable woman candidate. This particular woman however needs to go...and not because she is a woman...but because she is an ass. This comment is completely inexcusable (I don't believe she is advocating assassination, but it does show she is politically tone deaf) and even her supporters should be shaking their heads with shame right now. You can't possibly think this was a good, smart, or intelligent thing to say.

I would hope that if Barack had said it, we would jump all over him too...but he didn't. This was colossally stupid and only those who refuse to see can't see it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

446. I don't mind women. I don't mind uppity ones. I mind

mendacious, lying, corrupt, vile, shameless, inept, egotistical, rude, cunning, arrogant, worthless, POS who can be either male or female.

Hillary is a disgusting piece of work. Horrific.

[Utopian Leftist]

93. Despicable!

Hillary Clinton: the Tonya Harding of politics.

[ShortnFiery]

361. Hillary Clinton: The Serial Candidate

IF HRC lies and cheats her way to The Presidency, it won't just be her future opponents or right wing pundits who will be TARGETED. :scared:

[cliss]

94. Re: Little Miss Tonya Harding.

Don't fall for this Daily Globe Tattler crap. The two have decided to 'Go Ugly' and we might as well enjoy the show.

FACT
Billary Clinton loves attention. Any attention. The ONLY time she's been miserable was about 2 weeks ago, when John Edwards pledged his support for Obama. Suddenly, Miss Attention Getter was pushed off the front page. She suffered terribly.

The Krazy Kouple quickly turned that around, tho.

[Not the Only One]

138. I can see Hillary doing celebrity boxing

This is ridiculous and irresponsible and she should announce the end of her campaign at once.

[Pastiche423]

96. Hillary Clinton is not emotionally stable

Her lust for power has taken over rational thought.

[KaseyM]

104. Shut her down

The super delegates have to en mass shut her down.

Start a letter writing campaign to all who have not commited.

She's toast.

[Carolina]

139. NO, she's not emotionall unstable, she's EVIL!

[Outlier]

98. Freudian slip, pay no attention to what was said

I have told people, If Obama made her his VP and they won the general election, he wouldn't make it to Christmas. She didn't play second fiddle to Bill all those years, take his crap, and get this close to play second fiddle to anyone else. Plus, her lust for power is insatiable.

No wonder Michelle has quashed the Hillary for VP talk before it got started.

[cui bono]

100. That is way beyond bitch

if you know what I mean.

:mad:

[texasleo]

108. The "c word?"

:scared:

[slutticus]

129. Come on guys...don't do this.

There are plenty of other words:

Stupid, Dumb, Calculating, Idiotic, Tact-less, Pathetic, Shameless, Desperate, beyond-the-pale, egotistical, DESPICABLE, and many others.........

[Bette Noir]

259. Criminal?

[martymar64]

274. Evil?

[OwnedByFerrets]

102. Thom Hartman.....

had a segment today discussing this very thing.....He was incredulous that anyone would bring up this issue at all and was poo-pooing it as idiocy that anyone should think it, much less say it. ( I am not wording this well )
Now Hillary comes out herself and says it. It just blows his measured comments all to hell and back.

[disndat]

368. T. Hartmann was just

pressing, yesterday, for the Democrats to select her to be VP. Even the mostly erudite Hartmann can make mistakes.

[OwnedByFerrets]

536. Its rare, but it does happen...it will be very

interesting to hear his take on this Tuesday.

[defendandprotect]

552. Hartmann has, IMO, landed a number of "mistakes" --- right over the cliff ---

I'm not that familiar with him --- only been listening to him a few months on Air America ---
but he has a number of blazing blind spots ---

[kevinmc]

105. She hinted about this a few weeks ago guess she thought nobody got it .....

and now had to tell exactly what she meant. The Woman is insane.

[NashVegas]

123. And Most Of DU Agreed She Wasn't Pushing An Obama Assassination

It's a sad, sad day (and there are so many of them, these days) when DUers use tabloid-style newspapers for source material.

[jonestonesusa]

433. It's a sad day when a Democratic contender and her staff

spend so much time hobnobbing with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

[dana_b]

106. PLEASE CONTACT HILLARY HERE:

and tell her how you feel:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/


My letter:
"Senator Clinton,

I would like to say thaat I found your comments in regards to waiting in the wings for Senator Obama to be assassinated, ala RFK in '68, not ony shocking but heinous. Is this how you seriously want to be remembered? I can't imagine a woman in your position being so callous, cruel and sick. Your comments were sick, do you even realise that?

There is no way on earth that anyone I know will vote for you now. You have done this to yourself. Happy now?"

[Bluebear]

111. If you want to sound like an American voter, I would spell it "realize"

[KaseyM]

124. I wrote to Hillary

I asked her to step down immediately and go back to the Senate.

Everyone needs to write to her.

Also contact the Super Delegates who are on the fence.

[Hekate]

495. Thanks for the link. Here's mine....

Assassination?!

Dear Senator Clinton,

I am deeply disappointed. On one level, this was a gaffe born of fatigue. On another level, it was a Freudian slip. On yet another level, this is at least the 4th time you have linked this election and Barack Obama's candidacy to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.

How could you?

I am a 60 year old woman, white, a life-long Democrat, and a feminist. I am really, really sorry that you are not getting my vote.

Instead, I am asking that you find some graceful way to withdraw from this campaign and start working to unify the Democratic Party forthwith.

Please.

Sincerely,

(Hekate)

[AzDar]

107. Gobsmacked.

:wtf:

Is she INSANE???

[Marje]

110. Twice in the last two weeks

That's twice in the last two weeks that assassination has been discussed in regards to the race for president. That both Clinton and Huckaby feel they could even bring up the subject makes me fear for my country.

[Ytzak]

113. You people need to get a life...

This has been talked about on many threads here. Mentioning the assassination of Bobby Kennedy doesn't meant that she intends to rewrite history.

[Heathen57]

148. This is what it looks like.

HILLARY: (looking down at the ground while twisting her foot on the ground, looking very demure) "You know that if something would happen to Obama, I would be the nominee. Maybe one of you strong, handsome fellers could think of something to help po' little me get that nomination that I deserve so much."

Considering the way she has run her campaign, I would not put it past her or one of her minions. Hell she has already planted the idea. The Secret Service had better beef up their security.

[cui bono]

158. Yep. Jus tlike when reich wingnuts on the radio "suggest" things to their listeners.

[roesch]

115. And sexism is the problem?

HRc supporters who complain of sexism, I wonder what you have to say in the face of this lynch/murder rhetoric? Shame on us all, men and women, for allowing the desire for power, identity etc to take us down this road. Please HRC supporters say enough!

[kaygore]

117. Guess we know where to look if anyone takes aim at Obama

And there for all those years I dismissed those rumors of Clintons killing to get what they wanted or to stay in power. Guess I was wrong!

I say if something happens to Obama, the Democratic Party recruits Gore to run and puts the Clintons in the dustbin of history.

This is unspeakable!

If she is the candidate, I guess I'll leave the country because McCain as president would only prolong the horror and I couldn't now vote for Clinton.

[Heathen57]

120. K & R

Talk about a veiled threat. One of her bigoted supporters may just take her suggestion that if Obama is assassinated, she would be the candidate, and try to fulfill her wish.

She has dropped below even what the repukes would do.(at least most of them) She sounds like one of those petty dictators who off their opponents.

[cstanleytech]

125. *shrug* Didnt obama call a reporter "Sweety"?

That was not a big deal to me nor is this, Hillary, Obama and McCain have all inserted their foots into their mouths so this should not come as any surprise......when they start saying real nutty things like Anne Coulter does then I will worry.

[Marje]

131. Assassination talk is way way beyond nutty

[cstanleytech]

203. Nah

more like really tacky.
Nutty is saying we should carpet bomb someone and convert them to worshipping the one true god.

[Name removed]

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[CreekDog]

209. this is equal to the sweetie thing?

:crazy:

[cstanleytech]

255. As an example of mistakes they say

yes, degree of which it was said? *shrug* Thats a matter of opinion.

[rebel with a cause]

275. I call my butcher "hon"

and a lot of other young men and women "hon" "babe" and "sweetie". I am an older woman, and if you want to call me a sexist then go right ahead. Many of us in the mid-west still use these terms. Especially people who have young children, who call their children this and then accidently call someone else by this.

I'm not saying that Hillary said this as a threat, maybe it was just a mis-speak. But to campare it to Barack saying "Sweetie" is a big reach, don't you think.

[cstanleytech]

295. "to campare it to Barack saying "Sweetie""

Might wanna check above, my reply to CreekDog pretty much covers your question I think.

[Wizard777]

128. Is there any chance she could have been talking about her own assassination?

Like when the KKK threatened to assassinate Eleanor Roosevelt. Has she been channeling Eleanor again or is she just bat shit crazy?

[Kablooie]

130. No one on the Hillary supporter group has mentioned this.

[ramapo]

132. Most tasteless at best

This was really a fucked up thing to say...what else have we come to expect from this woman. Giving her benefit of the doubt, her remark was tasteless and just plain awful.

[rucky]

134. There's only one thing to do:

Pick Carrot Top as VP

[BREMPRO]

143. this is UNCONSCIONABLE, DESPICABLE, UNFORGIVABLE.

to bring up the Bobbie Kennedy assassination, especially given the fears people have had for Barack's safety, and the comparisons made with RFK's candidacy, AND THE CURRENT STATE OF his brother's TEDDY's HEALTH. UNFUKINBELIEVABLE. It's subliminal sabotage and almost seems like she wants it to happen. NO CLINTON SUPPORTER COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND THIS STATEMENT.

[Marje]

272. I am in total agreement with you...

... and I used to have so much admiration for Hillary Clinton. I am now as disillusioned by Hillary as I was by her husband ... another person whom I used to admire.

[fascisthunter]

146. MY GOD SHE will Say ANYTHING! How Disgusting.....

maybe some think this is just "politics". Well say this to each and every one of that some, "FUCK YOU". Oh and I meant that "politically".

PS - Thom Hartman, WAKE THE FUCK UP! We don't want people like her representing us. Got it?

[uponit7771]

159. Just heard it on Rhandi Rhodes show...this is disgusting...this is really disgusting...She's done

[defendandprotect]

241. Well --- I'm posting a note on her Senate website that it's time for her to LEAVE . . . GO AWAY --!

[nxylas]

160. Has anyone seen the actual video of her saying it?

I tried clicking on the video link provided in the NY Post page, because I wanted to hear it in her own words rather than trusting some Murdoch rag's possibly skewed reporting of it. But every time I open the link, I get a different random clip, none of which mentions RFK's assassination.

[Muttocracy]

177. there's a youtube clip posted at the top of this thread. nt

[nxylas]

184. Doh!

I knew that :blush:

[Muttocracy]

455. not at all - DU kind of lurched for a few minutes there while the traffic spiked

so you might not even have seen it :hi:

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

313. Yes, and ABC News just gave it 10 minutes

Both her actual statement (sick, sick, sick) and her attempt at "clarification."

Amazing. And this disgrace was even front-paged and condemned at MYDD, where her rabid supporters are totally freaking out.

Once again, just like her Bosnia fabrications, she refused to apologize - just clarify. But her supporters are screaming, "See SHE APOLOGIZED." And just like with the Bosnia lies they will keep screeching it until everyone just gets tired and accepts it.

The candidate has a serious problem.

[TNOE]

161. THAT'S THE 2ND FREAKING TIME!!

she has said that!!! She is just WISHING for that to happen. Keep Obama in your prayers!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

163. I am very quick to notice problematic talking point, but I won't fault

her on this one - at least as far as assassination is concerned.

The fact is, Bobby WAS still campaigning in June when he was shot - it is a reference to campaigns stretching into June, and beyond, not to assassination.

OTOH, both references were to the California primary in June - a big state that could decide things at the END of a primary season, unlike the early California primary this year, so it IS disingenuous to suggest equivelency. Montana is NOT California.

I think this is just another display of political tone-deafness on her part.

[uponit7771]

173. or she's being an asshole, what point was she making to bring something like this up?

[Barack_America]

175. Also, you can say the '68 primary stretched into June without mentioning the assassination.

There are tactful ways to approach this. She choose to mention the assassination, deliberately, I feel.

[windbreeze]

417. You know...

I can almost see what you're saying...ALMOST...but...the fact remains that Clinton is NOT a novice at campaigning......Displaying or being guilty of political tone deafness at this point in her career, means she's possibly NOT a suitable candidate for president...

She herself has made comments that make it very clear she intends to be the nominee...so the comments she made, knowing how determined she is, considering how far behind Obama, she is, and how broke she is...made it seem as though it could have been a subliminal message being thrown out there for consideration...and of course, IF some nutcase decided to take what she said, literally, that's not her fault, after all, she didn't mean anything by it...

Sorry...I don't see this as being a totally innocent or unfortunate comment...It sounded really, really, bad....I think it's pathetic to see someone who had so much stature, want something this bad...I feel shamed for her.....wb

[Dangerously Amused]

171. Blind Ambition Meets Karma; that's gotta be the final nail in her campaign coffin.

Too bad, I expected better from her.

[CreekDog]

176. in case of such a tragedy, it's sure nice to know she has a plan

:eyes:

[riverwalker]

179. Ohhh my Gawd

She has lost her fricking bigoted patronizing mind.
You miserable, pathetic, "first(ex-prezez-wife)woman" to run for president, witch.
Someday women will have a REAL candidate, a woman who earned it, deserved it, and is entitled to it through hard work and integrity (not her hubbie's coat-tails).
It ain't you, babe, it sure enough ain't you Hillary.

[onefreespiritedchick]

192. OMG!

My jaw dropped to the floor upon reading and hearing this. What is this woman thinking? Is she trying to plant the seed of some unhinged supporter? No...I do not think so, but this is disgusting beyond belief!

[Dogtown]

195. Time out!!!

Take a deep breath, people.

HRC's intention is clear: Some RW gunman, lone or not, *could* make an attempt on Mr. Obama's life. There is, after all, an enormous amount of racial hatred in this country. Her point, however, is NOT the ludicrous scenario being postulated. She wants to rob support from her opponent by making us fear we'll lose our candidate, and therefore the election.

It's a sad, desperate trick by a worn out and bankrupt campaign.

In light of the ongoing Kennedy tragedy it was cold-hearted, mean spirited, and viciously self-serving, as well.

BUT

**In Our Rabid, Attack-Mode, Hyper-Testicular Pit-Bulls-Only milieu, we're over-reacting and imagining the unthinkable.**

AND WE'RE BEING PLAYED.

R-W operatives, either grandiose wannabees or paid employees matters not, have access to this forum and actively disrupt. These folk love the concept of "meme", do you not think some of the Chicken Little doomsday posts in this thread are the *real* feelings expressed?

I see some wag upthread called her a "cow", my apologies to said poster if he's just sexist and not an agent-provocateur, but that is NOT a reasonable term on a progressive board. It's inflamatory and divisive.

CALM DOWN!

The nomination is going to happen as it will happen. Our screaming at each other and hurling whatever alley-apples are w/in reach won't affect it. It has, in fact, almost certainly been decided.

But RW attempts to split the party are a real threat and we must NOT chump-up for them. We need to remain firmly in control of our passions and not scare off the undecideds by having an unruly household.

[AntiFascist]

220. Not unlike...

McCain warning of another terrorist attack if a Democrat is elected. Hillary is appealing to the very people who could carry out such a deed, both domestic and foreign.

[Dogtown]

231. Now *that's* a valid point

And a reasoned response to the OP.

She's clearly crossed the line. She's probably committed political suicide in her desperation, and rightly so.
She *could*, by her carelessness, incite such an act.

Should that happen, there'll be an asterisk on her name in the historic record.



Some here might try to spin that into "tried to incite", but that's purposeless speculation and more feeding of the flames. My guess is any proposer of such is instigating and has their own questionable motives.

[AntiFascist]

428. The only thing worse...

was Huckabee jocking about Obama ducking under a chair as he was being shot at, when he heard a loud bang behind the stage...at an NRA speech of all places! The right wingnut faction is out of control in this country, and Hillary's comment (whether consciously or unconsciously) is playing along with this despicable, ghastly desire of the worst part of our society.

[Dogtown]

461. agreed

she did a Very Bad Thing.

[krkaufman]

196. Just heard it... Hillary's staying in the race JUST IN CASE Obama gets assassinated.

Holy shit.

I'm going to assume that it wasn't a veiled request to her delusional followers.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

235. there is no alternative interpretation

none. she said what she said.

[krkaufman]

435. Well, I've softened a LITTLE bit ....

It is *POSSIBLE* that she referenced the assassination because that is the particular event that burned the date of "June" into her consciousness, and therefore thought it was a good example to prove that past campaigns have gone into June.

(I'm not defending her, overall, as I think she's a vile and disreputable person, but there is just this one possibility, above, that could frame her comment in a very slightly less despicable light.)

[IndependentDem]

200. no big deal.. she already apologized so get over it already!

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

Here is her response:

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever,"



This sure stinks like the "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" comment...

[zazen]

201. Hilary would be history if anything happened to Obama

It's cycled throughout history. Hurt the popular leader somehow and blame competition from within the leader's own party, thereby *illing two birds with one stone. For some reason, only Archbishop Romero comes to mind, but there've been many others. A form of a false flag operation. If some right-wing nut tries to take out Obama (God Forbid, I shudder every time I see him "work the line" thinking some maniac is going to pounce), half of the whipped up masses of this country would pin it on Hillary. There's no way she could recover. But what a circus it would make in the interests of the GOP. Anything to distract from an economic depression, a moderately crashing peak civilization scenario, the end of American hegemony, global climate change.

I think she must be utterly exhausted, driven, and in some demon swirl of ego and ambition, because she is normally wayyyy too calculating to make a statement like this. If she really wants to work us up in fear that he'd be hurt, she'd get a powerful surrogate to do it for her. Yes, I'm terrified for their family and in awe of their courage getting out there every day, but I'm supporting him nonetheless.

[Bette Noir]

281. So it's the GOP's fault

That Hillary plans to ride a hearse to the White House?

[marmar]

202. Even for a desperate campaign, this one boggles the mind......

.... Maybe she's cracked completely up. Bill seems to have. :crazy:

[TheCowsCameHome]

205. Mercy me - all the Hillary avatars have suddenly disappeared.

What do you suppose happened?

[Subroutine]

211. What Else?

Mercy me - all the Hillary avatars have suddenly disappeared.
What do you suppose happened?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

They're all over at the Guns and Ammo site.

[MilesColtrane]

289. Holy Crap! There's a scary thought.

I hope Clinton didn't just flash a Queen of Diamonds at those Hillaryis44 denizens.

[curiousdemo]

210. Where is that Keith O" undertaker music.....

SHE IS THE WORST PERSON OF THE CENTURY!!! I hope the Secret Service pays her a little visit.

[jmondine]

213. To the Clinton supporters who are still reading, if any...

With all due respect, we're not upset that she brought up the RFK assassination. It's that she brought it up in the context of defending her own decision to stay in the primary race. These were not two different statements made at two different times, or even two consecutive, unrelated statements. The "I don't understand it" follow up makes this very clear that she was mentioning it as part of the same topic.

My own take isn't nearly as machiavellian as some. I believe that she was trying to point out that Democratic primary races that last through until June are nothing new. Citing the 1968 primary, though, seems like a really bad choice, and doing so by specifically citing the RFK assassination, is in bad taste, and I believe an apology from Clinton is in order. Of course, that's one thing I like about our party, that our representatives are mature enough to make apologies for their mistakes, unlike certain White House residents I can think of. As long as she's willing to admit that it was a rather insensitive gaffe, that'll be cool with me.

[uponit7771]

215. ...and the assasination had NOTHING absolutly NOTHING to do with her point!!!!

[Liberty Belle]

214. How low can she go?

This is reprehensible.

Perhaps Obama should consider naming a Kennedy (RFK Jr?) as his running mate. that would be poetic justice!

[uponit7771]

218. I don't know...I don't know....this aint good, I am SOOOOO pissed at her!!!

[still_one]

216. Gosh, another issue of what kind of judgement does she have?

[OhioChick]

219. Wow....Speaks Volumes. n/t

[Subroutine]

224. Well, Hillary Should Stay in the Race.

Afterall, suppose 70 or 80 of the Obama delegates are suddenly hit by a bus, or their cars explode or something accidental like that. We would need a honest, forthright candidate who....KNOWS HOW TO GET THINGS DONE.....wouldn't we......

[OhioChick]

251. Can't argue there...

We sure would. :sarcasm:

[deerheadgal]

225. What can she be thinking?

This is waaaaay beyond where I thought she'd go. What an embarrassment to us all! I am so ashamed of her!

[progetto]

396. I really don't want to know

Hillary a skilled politician and had to know this was in bad taste at the least. But only the most hardened Hillary hater would think she's ordering a hit.

Maybe she's tired and just let her thoughts slip. It's a grueling race that most of us couldn't handle. She a good fighter, but the fight is over.

If I were her, I'd apologize to BO and pray nothing happens to him.

[defendandprotect]

226. HRC has apologized . . !!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/ap_on_el_pr/clinton

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

AND . . . HRC had no clue that saying something like this would be in poor taste --
or that it might be "OFFENSIVE" not only to the Kennedy family -- especially at this moment
of grief for his own family re his health????

If she only had a brain . . . ????

[defendandprotect]

228. Isn't this the SECOND TIME she's made this comment . . .!!! ???

OK . . . I'm moving from dislike to hate here ---

Once was stupid -- giving this a second outing just proves how insensitive and obsessed with

her own situation she is ---


DISGUSTING . .. !!!!

[Barack_America]

229. Third, according to Chuck Todd. n/t

[defendandprotect]

233. Maybe she was prompted again by the Fox "news" with Obama in the crosshairs --- ????

What is wrong with HRC . . . ???

Fox mentality???

Let me just say that if anything happens to Obama, I hope we all come into the streets immediately --- and that Edwards or Kucinich would be our new candidate ---

HRC --- you are disgusting!!!

[Subroutine]

240. Good Plan, Hillary

You could probably wrangle your way to deliver Obama's eulogy. You'd get at least an hour of free air time. There would be pictures of you hugging Michelle Obama. And best of all, there would plenty of contributions coming your way to pay off your campaign debts as well as your hit man.

[LiberalLovinLug]

282. And no apology to Obama?

He's the one she put in the cross-hairs.

[mcollier]

301. Vomitting... Hillary is an Ugly Person!

What's up with the staged statement by Hillary... Analyze the background setting of her interview... When have you ever seen one of the candidates in a setting like this on camera? Where is the full interview? Who held the interview? This looks more like an Osama Bin Ladin tape release... I don't believe this as anything other than a staged media event. Look at the video clip again. And let me know...

[jimlup]

234. I have to admit she is right...

Obama is too good. If the some of the forces in our government are as evil and dark as some of us suspect, then he will be a target.

I have long believed that Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone were taken out by dark forces.

[defendandprotect]

239. You're right . . . of course . . . however, say that we need to investigate those

"dark forces" if you wish --- don't suggest that you might be waiting around to profit from them!!!

[theboss]

246. Mel Carnahan?

Really?

[L. Coyote]

420. Yesterday, CNN showed images of Obama in cross-hairs on Headline News.

Twice, as if once was not enough.

This nation has yet to address the reality of the political assassinations that put Nixon in the White House.

On edit. And that post got a couple of views.
Where was the outrage over that? But, hey,
a chance to bash a DEM, and the NY Post .... need I say more?

CNN: Right NOW, just showed OBAMA in crosshairs picture, NOW showing it again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3327413

[Muttocracy]

458. :-( !

[natrat]

244. she's staying in in case he is assasinated? what a pos

[orleans]

325. maybe she was thinking of herself & not obama?

:shrug:

[chatnoir]

252. Oh no she did NOT!

:wtf:

[asthmaticeog]

254. "So, Barack, now that I've clumisly implied that you might get shot before the convention...

...can I be your VP?"

[cstanleytech]

271. Maybe she meant to imply that *shrug*

I dont know, I dont think she did though but hey its possible I'll admit.
My own mother tries to tell me I should vote McCain if Obama is the winner because she thinks he will be killed, I dont buy that line of argument from her as a reason to vote for McCain at all though and in fact it would take a miracle for me to vote against either Hillary or Obama as I dont think I could stomach 4 more years of Bush policies which is what happens if Mccain wins.

[jumptheshadow]

256. Holy Cow

Oh my God.

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[Unbowed]

265. So she's staying in the raced because she's suicidal?

Clinton's statements are idiotic on so many levels.

[SlipperySlope]

267. K&R

[rocktivity]

268. Huh?

:shrug:
rocknation

[lanlady]

270. come on people, this was not a veiled threat

She's reaching for examples of primaries continuing into June. She could have worded the reference to RFK more tactfully, but this was hardly a dark hint or wish that Obama might be assassinated. Jeezus, get a grip! We're talking the New York f****g Post here.

And no, I'm not a Hillary supporter. She lost me weeks ago. But the accusations being made in this post are ridiculous.

[rebel with a cause]

285. the Obama camp is being gracious

about it. Come on folks. Even an idiot can see a difference between the two camps. They are pointing out on TV that she appoligized to the Kennedy's and not Obama. Also pointing out that she was pointing out that terrible things happen in June, and I am right to stay in the campaign. They are not going to let this drop. She is going to get the "Wright" treatment. It is time for her to be fetted, I guess.

[cstanleytech]

300. Yeah, agreed.

While she did mess up I just think its being blown out of proportion like the whole Wright thing was.

[disndat]

533. This year the primaries were

pressed together and February was the "super Tuesday" month. So HC's analogy of past primaries years was flawed for a start. Her other argument that she has to stay past June is also flawed as Howard Fineman pointed out last night on KO. If she had quit and something happened to Obama, she could very well come back again as a candidate.

[FunMe]

276. This is sHillary's "DEAN YELL"

It is over for sHillary.

Hardball is covering this right now.

This weekend is going to bad for HRC. It marks the beginning of the end of "that woman"
Shame on you Hillary!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

278. Wow,

I've tried over and over to explain to my mother (a big Clinton supporter) why I do not like Hillary. Maybe this will finally make the point. She is utterly incapable of not eventually showing her true, very nasty and negative nature.

[JDPriestly]

279. California is not holding its primary in June this year.

Poor Hillary. She just doesn't get it. She is a wonderful, capable woman, and the race is very close. I am an Edwards supporter. I was a Clark supporter in 2004. I know how it feels for the Hillary supporters. My good wishes go to them, but Hillary needs to think about the good of the party. She came very close to winning.

Hillary was not well served by her consultants. She overpaid them, and they did not do a good job. Unfortunately, that suggests either that she did not use good judgment in selecting her consultants, that her managerial skills and her ability to deal with staff are not that great. Or -- maybe she was just unlucky.

At any rate, if some horrible event should intervene, Hillary could still be chosen as the candidate.

Hillary is a religious person. It is time for her to turn to prayer to be able to accept a situation that she can do nothing about.

All my best to Hillary and her supporters. I repeat: I know how you feel.

Hillary needs to quit in order to give her supporters time to heal, time to recover. Many of them have volunteered (as I did for Edwards) and have given their best to help Hillary (as I did for Edwards). It takes time to heal, and we must be united for November.

[trickyguy]

280. "I don't know" seems to be Hillary's favorite answer. Yet

she can manage to bring up RFK's assassination without blinking.

And then to say "I don't know" again. What an insult to all thinking, feeling adults out here.

I DO know I'd never vote for her. And I DO know I hope she calls it quits real soon.

This is disgusting behavior on her part. Real trash talk. Obama would not sink this low.:kick:

[tekisui]

283. Hillary Supporters: She just gave you another out.

Flee while you can, this is disgusting.

Oh yeah, and fuck you Hillary.

[Barrymores Ghost]

327. Yeah, I mean, if they ever needed a deal-breaker...

...alluding to the possibly of a hit on your opponent might just qualify.

[medicswife]

288. I've tried to be patient

and let the chips fall, but I too, find this to be completely beyond the pale. I think it's time for the Supers to shut her down.

[Political Tiger]

291. She's completely desperate!

She's played the race card, the gender card and now she's playing the assassination card. Truly despicable!

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[YDogg]

294. Her comments are vile and disgusting.

She is truly pathetic.

[travelingtypist]

296. Have ya hired the shooter yet, Hill?

Terry McAuliffe told us on one of those Sunday shows that Hillary is
waiting for "something extraordinary" to happen to Barack.

Hello? Hello?

[Mojambo]

298. Even if she didn't mean what we all (rightfully) assume she meant

what a colossally stupid fucking thing to say.

We can't afford to have such a reckless person on the ticket, imo.

[hisownpetard]

351. Your post sums it all up.

[Wizard777]

299. I wonder if Obama is feeling BITTER?

For someone that made such big deal over one word. Boy did Hillary ever pick the wrong freakin' word.

[David Zephyr]

302. Unbelievable. She should be funeral director instead of a Senator.

Sick.

[DailyGrind51]

303. "Wouldn't it be great,

if neediness and desperation were attractive?" Albert Brooks in "Broadcast News"

[City Lights]

314. Words fail me.

:puke:

:-(

x(

:mad:

:grr:

[TheCowsCameHome]

381. Not as badly as they failed her.

She blew it.

[Barrymores Ghost]

321. At BEST, she's demonstrated she can't conduct herself...

...in a mature or diplomatic fashion when under pressure.

How do I know this?

Well, she just continues to say STUPID. FUCKING. SHIT. ALL. THE. TIME. AND. JUST. CAN'T. SEEM. TO. STOP.

I'm more inclined to believe that she is now officially, completely unhinged with jealousy and bitterness over having been denied her "right" to re-occupy the White House.

Oh, and she just officially bought herself a one-way ticket OFF of anybody's short-list.

What a fucking loon.

[The Doctor.]

324. Holy Jesus H. F#@%ing Christ on a popsicle stick!!!!

WTF is wrong with this woman?

[Barrymores Ghost]

326. She's jumped the shark - over AND back.

Stick a fucking fork in her.

[rebel with a cause]

334. Stick a fork in her - she is done.

I sure hope so!

[Doug.Goodall]

328. Hillary better hope nothing happens to Obama because she would be suspect #1

[roguevalley]

378. given this world, she gave five or six asswits a thought. better hope

God loves him. I sure do.

[nevergiveup]

342. It is curious

that no one has mentioned how this incredible statement by Hillary may indeed tear the Democratic to shreds. Although I despise her I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one because to not give her the benefit of the doubt is to suggest that she was actually publicly announcing that she was hanging on just in case someone assassinated Obama. Hillary may be a lot of things but she isn't stupid. The one who really gets destroyed in all of this is Obama because Hillary has already lost this thing and if the Democrats can't totally unite then McCain becomes our next president. I really do believe that calmer heads need to prevail.

[natrat]

409. she's a neocon ala lieberman so that's her goal-wreck democrats chances at elections

[jonestonesusa]

439. Good points...

I hope that the sight of the Clinton campaign losing its wheels will get the supers to act, after June 3 if not earlier. And maybe the DNC rules committee will have a stronger sense of urgency on May 31.

I don't know what to think about this, really - it's an ugly gaffe and bad form for the politician who calls herself "ready on day one."

It's "bittergate" on steroids.

[Baby Snooks]

355. Truly Reprehensible

First she endorses racism. Then seems to endorse a violent act by those racists. How convenient, obviously, if someone assassinates Barack Obama in June. She is reprehensible. As is anyone who would continue to support her. Shame on you Gloria Steinhem and Maya Angelou and all the others. You should hang your head in shame.

Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race, resign her Senate seat and go schmooze with the Bushes in the Persian Gulf along with her equally reprehensible husband.

[woundedkarma]

366. I'm willing to give this one to her.

I am not a Clinton supporter. I was at first until I listened to some of Obama's speeches and decided that he'll be better for the country.

Then Clinton started going negative. Then she went downright Rovian.

These days I see her as barely a step above Republicans.

When I first read her comment I was just awed at the new chucklebee style low she's hit but I listened to the video and read her apology and for once I actually believe her. I do think she was just trying to point out two elections where it took a while to make sure we had our right nominee rather than suggest that if we all wait until June Obama might get assassinated.

She looked tired and like she wasn't thinking clearly. Not cold and calculating like usual.

[creeksneakers2]

367. The remark was just a poorly phrased legitimate point

Some people will stoop to any low to accuse Hillary of something. I wish she'd drop out but all this is a cheap shot.

[JNelson6563]

372. My reaction: A mighty WTF??

That was a really stupid thing to say. No gettin' around it.

Julie

[KoKo]

374. I don't believe Obama will be assassinated!/ Hillary/Bill are not wrong in bringing this point up.

The possibility of some "lone RW Shooter" going after Obama is very much diminished by the Secret Service who learned from the JFK Assassination and through Reagan and Beyond...they seem to know exactly how to pin point some "would be assasinator in the crowd or on the road or in the Plane.

Much has been done with "electronic surveillance methods" that we (the Public) are not aware of and won't be made aware of...so Obama is probably safe because some "Drone will come outta the sky" and bomb to smithereens anyone trying to go at him, if a savvy "SS AGENT" doesn't manage to blow away the perp before that's necessary.

BUT...the fact that Dems need a "back up" in the event of some other event..(like Repugs managing to do another Swift Boat...but on MASSIVE SCALE" that would be far greater than they did with Kerry, is not beyond realm of possibility.

I don't think Hillary/Bill is wrong in thinking this because THEY KNOW...what can happen much better than the rest of us about what can be put against Obama. REMEMBER!!! They served in the WH and hat the "RW Kitchen Sink and the Whole House" thrown against them. THEY KNOW! Plus...what "IF" Monica was a PLANT and they KNOW IT?

I would listen to them...:shrug: They've lived through the worst since Watergate of what RW will through at a Democratic Candidate and President. :shrug:

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[Psephos]

382. These gaffes, and her campaign in general, are a preview of what her presidency would be like

This is who we would trust to repair US standing in the world?

Give me a break. I wouldn't trust her to balance my checkbook or speak to my school board.

Obama has his faults but I wouldn't go to bed every night worrying about what would be coming out his mouth next. Slam dunk as far as I'm concerned.

[MissDeeds]

383. Oh sweet Jesus

I'm sorry. I've tried to cut her some slack, but throwing out something like this is just beyond the pale. My God, Hillary, have some modicum of dignity. Have you no decency?

[william37]

384. Fight Hillary

Don't let them bully you. We've got your back.

Our vote will be our weapon come november.

[Towlie]

388. Yes, fight Hillary!

And keep fighting her until she wakes up and drops out.

[defendandprotect]

399. You're still supporting someone who would say something as thoughtless as this????

I find that shocking ---

It is HRC who has been doing the "bullying" ---

and at this point it's obvious she's been hanging around simply hoping something would happen.

Disgusting --- !!!

[Muttocracy]

463. "got your back" "weapon" interesting choice of words. nt

[BadGimp]

391. What this demonstrates is her appaling lack of judgement..imo

And I'm a supporter.

Her point is a good one but one best NEVER MADE! It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to see that.

[Catherina]

393. Fuck you Hillary. I don't ever want to hear your name or see your face again.

This is despicable.

You better get down on your knees and PRAY nothing happens to Obama because you just made your name mud.

[Wizard777]

395. If Obama addresses this with the King family at his side.

Hillary will NEVER be able to show her face in public again.

[cubbies08]

397. How desperate is she

He is anothere example of how Mrs Clinton is out of touch and is power hungry and will do anything to win...... I can't wait till she is out of this race and climbs back into her hole were she belongs

[rodrigo2xxx]

403. SHE'S SENDING A MESSAGE TO OBAMA, DROP OFF OR POSSIBLY BE KILLED.

THIS IS THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT SHE'S SAYING, MEANING THAT OBAMA IS NOT VIABLE ...
AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY SHE WANTS SO MUCH TO BE A VP, THE CLINTON'S BELIEVE SO MUCH OBAMA WILL NOT GET ALIVE TO THE END OF THE PRIMARIES, OR THE GENERAL ELECTION ...

[Martin Eden]

406. I don't think she meant it the way some people are taking it ...

... because it makes no sense.

Logically, she wouldn't have to keep her campaign alive now if Obama was dead later. She would almost certainly be the nominee in that circumstance (though much more unlikely now).

If she had given any serious thought to the comment before uttering it, she would have realized that mentioning that tragedy in the current context would not help her campaign one bit and would likely drive a big fat nail in it.

I think (in her own mind) she was simply citing another example why primary campaigns aren't over till they're over.

And now hers is probably over, thanks in part to her ill-considered comment.


By the way, I voted for Obama in the Illinois primary.

[Politicalboi]

408. Like I said before

People get desperate for power will do anything. It would not surprise me in the least if the Clinton's have something planned for Obama. That just might be her reasoning for staying in the race. And the Bush's would be more than happy to help them out.

[trashcanistanista]

411. This is now on the BBC. The world knows now, pathetic.

I predict she is gone by tomorrow. Horrible.

[Arkana]

414. Hillary, I must ask--what the HELL is wrong with you?

No one believes that you're hoping for Obama's assassination--at least no one with half a brain.

But this is at BEST an incredibly moronic and insensitive analogy to use in context with the first black man who is a serious contender for the Presidency. You should KNOW better than this. Goddamn it, Hillary, what the HELL is the matter with you?

And your non-apology? Pathetic. "If I offended anyone" is not an apology, Senator Clinton. You KNOW better than this--you have been around long enough. God fucking damnit.

This is absolutely an inexcusable thing to say. Though I sincerely hope you did not mean it, you raised the terrifying specter of assassination in American politics when you even SUGGESTED that you were staying in the race in the event that some nut kills Barack Obama and you scared the hell out of half of America.

To use your words, Senator:

"Shame on you, Hillary Clinton. Shame on you!"

[leftrightwingnut]

415. This has all the hallmarks of the Dean scream. MSM smelled blood and struck.

They finally found something on which to hang her. It was a poor choice for an example but definitely not worth this hysteria. The MSM isn't going to let this one go.

[ContraBass Black]

418. I understand fatigue, but that was surprisingly poor judgment.

Her apology was good, though.

[Muttocracy]

465. wish she had apologized to Obama's family, not just the Kennedys. nt

[ContraBass Black]

509. I think she was thinking of herself being forcibly stopped at the end,

Rather than Obama being shot. Thus, a very callous remark toward the Kennedys, but not a threat to the Obamas.

[juno jones]

419. K&R!

I truly can add nothing except that I just want that woman to go away. Far away. Forever. She can take her hubbie too, him and his nasty pink finger.

[williesgirl]

421. There is no misinterpretation here. She's egging on the nuts in the hopes she'll step in if he's

killed. This is beyond politics. It's evil. She must be stopped. The Super D's better step in now and end this before something happens.

rec'd

[Hekate]

422. Olbermann just peeled the hide right off her in tonight's Special Comment.

It is our nation's deepest fear and darkest political legacy. I don't care what excuse she gives -- one thing KO made abundantly clear is that this is not the first time, it is the fifth or sixth time she has made that very reference.

Christ on a trailer hitch.

Hekate

[uberblonde]

423. Really, this says more about you than it does about her.

It was obvious to any SANE person what she meant. Those of you in the advanced stages of Kool Aid poisoning have a totally different interpretation.

My, you're easily confused!

[bdamomma]

425. this is just sickening how dare she say something like that

just shows you how desperate she is. And she did not apologize for what she said, despicable, this nation has PTSD too, she should of never have said something like that, even KO was angry.

[Towlie]

426. Imagine if, God forbid, it happened.

It seems to me that in the unfortunate event that Barack Obama does get assassinated, which, however unlikely, is certainly possible, Hillary's ingenuous statement will probably ruin any chance that she might have otherwise had to win the presidency, even if she's awarded the nomination by default.

[Hekate]

427. This is far from the first reference she has made to RFK. And yes, I remember it very well...

I was deep into my first political campaign -- for Gene McCarthy, here in So Cal. I went to bed knowing my candidate had lost, and woke the next morning to the news that Bobby Kennedy had been assassinated. It is one of the deep scars on my generation. It is our deepest unspoken fear about the candidacy of Barack Obama.

How could she?

Hekate

[Arkana]

429. I know it's mine.

That's why I feel a little tinge of fear every time he is up on stage addressing a crowd of supporters--the idea that some sick fuck could have a rifle trained on me scares me.

[Marje]

494. It is one of the deep scars on my generation.

.... so true. It is so deep, that we feel we dare not speak of it, for fear that even the mention of assassination might trigger some wakko to try it again. When I heard Senator Clinton cavalierly mention Robert Kennedy's assassination today, it took my breath away. Why in the hell would anyone start talking about assassination in the middle of a presidential race ... unless they were trying to reach that Lee Harvey Olwald or Sirhan Sirhan of the year 2008. This is beyond irresponsible! And in spite of what she says, she knew exactly what she was doing.

[pansypoo53219]

430. i figured this was why she WAS clinging

but then i hear she said this behind doors in MARCH. clearly she IS an egomaniac.

[proust78]

431. She's forever lost ANY credibility with me

I hope she loses her seat in the Senate and is never heard from again. She's really giving Bush a run for his money in making repugnant remarks.

[RBInMaine]

432. OF COURSE SHE WAS IMPLYING THAT EVEN AN ASSASSINATION COULD HAPPEN WHICH WOULD MAKE HER THE NOMINEE.

[Rose Siding]

434. The primary calendar was so different in both of her examples that her point was dopey anyway

Sensationalism and bad taste aside, that is.

[Joey Liberal]

438. Hillary is insane

I wish Bill would dump her.

[catgirl]

441. Clinton sparks uproar with Kennedy assassination comment

Source: AFP

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Hillary Clinton triggered a firestorm on Friday after bringing up the 1968 assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy to justify her decision to prolong her long-shot White House campaig

A day after a top supporter suggested Clinton was getting desperate and she compared a row over voided primaries in Michigan and Florida to the crisis in Zimbabwe, the former first lady sent new shock waves through the race.

Clinton told a newspaper board in South Dakota she could not understand calls for her to quit, arguing that history showed that some past nominating contests had gone on into June.

"My husband (Bill Clinton) did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary, somewhere in the middle of June, right?" Clinton said in an interview with the Argus Leader newspaper editorial board.

"We all remember, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California, I don't understand it," Clinton said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523/ts_alt_afp/usvote

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Worst of show, Hillary, worst of show.

[King Coal]

442. I don't like Hillary. At all. But this is bullshit. Talk about taking something out of context.

This takes the cake. She was just saying that primaries go into June. Like I said, I can't stand her, but ............

Give me a break.

[catgirl]

443. How can you possibly take this "out of context"

It was was it is. There is no other way to take it.

[ramapo]

444. Out of context??

Out of her mind...

[truthisfreedom]

445. It was pretty much the worst thing she could bring up, at the worst time.

With the Democratic Party worrying about Teddy, we sure don't need reminders about assassinations, and it really makes her look like a vulture circling, waiting for Obama to be assassinated.

With this kind of mention, I think now that the genie's out of the bottle, it's time to beef up Obama's security. A LOT.

[Cathryn]

450. SHE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS!

She's not getting off the hook this time. NO WAY! Her insinuations are offensive to so many americans, including me. GET OUT NOW, HILLARY!!!

[oberliner]

448. NY Post?

Aren't they known for manipulative anti-Democrat headlines?

[Muttocracy]

467. it was an interview with a S. Dakota paper, carried by AP, in many papers and TV channels. nt

[oberliner]

473. I'm talking about the headline, not the quote

Seems like the headline was written in a way to stir things up among Democrats.

[Muttocracy]

485. ok, that make sense, and yes, they want to see those papers. nt

[quark219]

453. Seldom Post on Here, But...

I rarely post on here, but I've been reading DU for years. Tonight, I'm making an exception because I feel compelled to comment.... Six weeks ago, before the PA primary, I was discussing my dilemma with my wife and daughter (both Thai nationals, who can't vote): Who should I vote for, Hillary or Obama? I was really torn over the decision. After a lot of soul searching, I went for Obama because, despite the "liberal lite" agenda, I feel he is the leader this nation needs at this point in our history.

But I have to tell you: My opinion over the past six weeks of Hillary Clinton has plummeted like you would not believe. At this point, I can sincerely say I detest her. DETEST her. Remember: I was a Hillary fan not two months ago. This sickening exercise of denial of hers, which has held the entire nation hostage to her ego? It disgusts me. This game of "I agree to the rules except when I'm losing?" I would punish a child for that kind of behavior. This grasping neediness of hers, that cares not what damage it does to the Democartic party -- or the nation? Hillary Clinton cannot get out of my sight fast enough. I DETEST her.

And I have got to wonder about the True Blue Hillary supporters at this point. You guys are proud of "your" candidate? Really? *Really?* C'mon.

[mdmc]

460. nice of you to check in

the primary has been getting kinda low and slimy

[OzarkDem]

454. I dislike Obama even more for conflating an innocent remark

Every day that passes, he goes farther and farther in dividing the party and weakening it by attacking Clinton and anyone who isn't part of his cabal.

Every day it becomes more and more difficult to justify voting for someone who is doing so much damage to this party.

A few years from now, Democrats will look back and wonder how so many people got caught up in the campaign a messianic candidate who stands for so little and does so much damage.

Obama is truly one of the most destructive forces to the Democratic Party in many years. Democrats will look back in shame at this race and wonder how we let someone destroy all the good things that we stand for.

Our party and our country's future is at stake. Stand strong, Hillary. Stand strong.

[Higher Standard]

457. Please link

I haven't seen any footage of Obama even talking about Hillary's comments today, but clearly you have. Please provide a link to him conflating her remarks.

[OzarkDem]

464. Read the linked article

It refers to remarks made by someone associated with his campaign.

[Higher Standard]

471. How does that conflate anything?

Someone from his campaign, not even Obama himself, said the comments "have no place in this campaign". That was it. I guess I'm missing what's so despicable about that.

[beac]

459. Can someone explain how I add someone *cough* to my ignore list?

Wow... just wow.

[Muttocracy]

470. click the red X person logo on the person's post. nt

[beac]

488. Thanks Joe!

What an exciting day for me... my first time posting and my first ignore already picked out. LOL.

[Muttocracy]

493. exciting in the worst of ways, but welcome to DU. nt

[minnesota_liberal]

500. It's a handy feature, isn't it?

I think I'll do the same.

[KamaAina]

481. So what are your future plans

once the Hillary campaign ends, taking your paid position with it?

[rodrigo2xxx]

483. what are you talking about ?

In what Obama is divisive ?
You are confusing things and using epithets trying to hide a horse with a mouse....

The divisive one, and you know that, is Senator H. Clinton. She's loosing and anyone can see that, worldwide ... and there's no way for her to win, unless she breaks some rules.

World wide everyone is saying that she loose already and she's trying to steal the contest.

Are you so blind not to note that ?

[minnesota_liberal]

498. Please wake up and smell the coffee

Innocent remark? Obama damaging the party? Give me a break!

[Araxen]

456. How can anybody support her anymore?

This is beyond pathetic. She's turning into the lowest form of life on earth and calling her scum would be nice.

[OzarkDem]

466. There's nothing offensive in her remarks

But just wait until the news media and the GOP turn their sleazy attacks to Obama.
Sadly, if Obama gets the nom, the smear campaigns will come too late to salvage Dems chances for the WH.

[NOLALady]

499. If Dems lose the WH,

we can thank HRC supporters.

[petwlkr]

462. This is the last straw

The only thing more outrageous than the remark she made is the piss ass attempt at an apology later in the day.

Not only did she not apologize to Obama, she played dumb and blew it off by saying "IF" anyone was offended by those remarks! IF?!?! IF?!?!

Less than a week after Huckabee joked about Obama being shot and she remained strangly silent, a few days after she compared the fight to seat delegates in Florida and Michigan to the bloody carnage in Zimbabwe after their latest disputed elections; now she spews forth with this venom!!! IF anybody is offended?!?

FU Hillary!!!!!

[OzarkDem]

468. Yes it is, Obama is despicable

The evil ego of that man knows no bounds. He is diabolical, unprincipled and incredibly ignorant of the real world.

[jonestonesusa]

475. You pick a funny time to call Obama despicable.

What in the world do Hillary's insensitive, self-destructive remarks and non-apology have to do with Obama?

Oh, well, it's the internet. Enjoy your free speech!

[rodrigo2xxx]

486. LOL, you're a funny guy. You're a clintonite !!

and i understand why the Clinton's are acting this way, since you invoke satanas ... they sold their soul and are with satanas by now... ouarf :-) lol

[petwlkr]

503. Obama's evil ego???

Do us all a favor and go back to sleep.

[livetohike]

492. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[petwlkr]

505. Thanks for the welcome

I have been reading the threads here for some time, but after today I just couldn't stay on the sidelines anymore.
:argh:

[CokeBear]

469. Does anyone remember...

The big Obama rally where the cops suddenly stopped screening people, and let them go around the metal detectors? Is anyone else seeing a pattern here?

I'm really scared.

[Javaman]

474. I have been an Edwards guy from the get go and I was just hanging on the sidelines

until this.

She. will. never. ever. in. a million. years. get. my. vote.

My mom had the pleasure of shaking Bobby Kennedy's hand 3 weeks before he was killed. She cried the day he was killed. As a little kid watching ones mom cry, needless to say, it upset me greatly.

Now for her, in all her gall to bring up this specter as a way to justify her staying in the race??? good god.

this is the equivalent of being a fucking ambulance chaser.

This is a side of her that reads nothing more than despicable.

She has done two things. 1) killed her chances and 2) continuing to drag down good Democrats into her swill of a campaign.

good day.

[Ken Burch]

478. If she's using Bobby's assassination as an excuse to stay in,

HRC is admitting she'd be perfectly happy to be nominated unfairly and undemocratically like Hubert Humphrey was.

[Robeson]

480. Yes.

[Lost-in-FL]

479. Wow, she really blew it this time!

[rodrigo2xxx]

482. Hillary Clinton Raises the Specter of the Unspeakable (at washington post.com)

look at it

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052302789.html?hpid=topnews

GOOD ARTICLE... says exactly what everyone is thinking.

the Clinton's are just now SO insane.

What they are looking for ? What do they fear so much, that they are willing Obama to be killed ?
I mean, this is just so horrible.
Are you sure these guys are democrats ? men, looks alike McCain and Clinton's are playing the same politics. They fear the Obama's arrival.

She must now get off the race. NOW. NOW.

How can a democratic super delegates still be by her side ?
How can she still be a senator ?

I mean it's simply not now anymore possible.

[BearSquirrel2]

489. You gotta go bitch ...

A little veiled threat there. Yes, you have to stay in the race just in case someone kills Barack Obama. Well, why don't you just suspend your campaign then. If it does happen, you're next in line bitch.

[ckramer]

490. This is a Freudian slip - no doubt about it

The true Hillary wants Obama die!

That's how she hates Obama, the man takes away her White House hope!

[minnesota_liberal]

497. Hillary, you ignorant twit!

Bill didn't wrap up the nomination until the California primary on June 2 (1992) only because Jerry Brown (trailing 2,059 delegates to 388) was even more of an anti-reality candidate than you.

As for the possibility of an Obama assassination, just mentioning it should rightfully get you permanently banned from politics and ostracized forever; using it to justify the continuation of your campaign is absolutely ludicrous.

[Jack Bone]

518. I supported Gov. Brown then and ironically...

every time Hillary babels about going to visit "Hillary Clinton Dot Com" and donating, I'm reminded of Jerry Brown advertising his 1-800 # during the debates. My, how the times have changed.

[stevietheman]

501. Any Hillary supporter who defends _this_ deserves a slap across the face. n/t

n/t

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

504. Stick that last statement in your ear.

No fool,en. Sometimes the mothetr tells the kids to stop playing like little monkeys rough housing out there in the street. Now shes no longer a delegate because Obama's camp doesn't think that kind of language is exceptable-,screw them.And you know what else suicks? A politican who would sit with the congragation time and time again when a preacher is saying god damn America. Screw Obama and his bull shit. How about that?

[MessiahRp]

506. Hillary invokes Assassination and you bring up Rev. Wright? IS THAT THE BEST YOU'VE GOT?!?!

How fucking ridiculous your argument is. Hillary is a pathetic individual who in invoking such comment might as well outright proclaimed that she wished for it to happen.

Rev. Wright is a non-starter... however this comment, which she has made four times already, is a direct attack on the morals of our party.

She needs to be dragged off the stage NOW.

Rp

[petwlkr]

508. "And you know what else suicks?"

You mean besides your spelling and illiterate ramblings? As a fellow Washingtonian I would like to urge you to go grab another Mac n Jack from the fridge, sit down; and funnel your frustrations elsewhere. Come back in the morning and rail on us all when you have sobered up.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

510. Sure and watch the media bonanza too

No doubt you are very smart and very educated. Why I,ll bet you are of the top ten percent of your generation! Why you must have it way over the top of the class of 68. Stick it in your ear.

[MilesColtrane]

534. It gets better.

Check out the Comment in his profile.

[ContraBass Black]

512. One of the several sad things about this is that if Obama were to be assasinated,

This incredible blunder would make Hillary Clinton, the second choice, completely non-viable as a stand-in.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

513. Look you can shave a cats ass

make it walk backward and call it a dog ,but no matter what you make of that ,it don't change noth'en and it does not fool anybody into believing that a cat with it ass shaved and made to walk backward is dog.Simply put, a cat is no dog.

I would imagine both candidates are wired high and drinking a lot of coffee. Sometimes what you are indicating by your words of a statement can be reversed into a completely different context by those looking to do just that.

When you cross a street there is risk involved.
When you drive your car there is a risk.
Do you think about having a accident when you cross a street or when you are driving your car?
Or do you simply understand that there are certain risks involved?

It's like I said,you can shave the cats ass and make it walk backward than call it a dog,but a cat is no dog.

[Political Heretic]

514. So let me get this straight..... she's crossing her fingers that Obama will be murdered??

She has gone fucking nuts.

[FloridaJudy]

515. Can't blame her for thinking it, but SAYING it?

I sure every person who's been running just behind - whether it's for Garden Club Treasurer or for an Olympic event - has had fantasies about having something untoward happen to the guy or gal out in front. We all have not-so-nice thoughts like that from time to time. But for Senator Clinton to invoke the specter of assassination shows a lack of tact and forethought that I wouldn't care to see in a Chief Executive. She could have answered the question by saying "Well, all the votes aren't in yet, and any number of things could change before the convention".

She could still have saved her dignity by making an immediate and sincere apology to Senator Obama. I mean an "Omigod! I'm so sorry! I'm only human, and I screwed up. How can I make it right?" By making the mealy-mouthed "Well I'm sorry if you were offended..." type of statement she's proven once and for all that she's not the sort of person who can admit to mistakes. Ever.

We've suffered almost eight years under an arrogant President who thinks everything he's done is just dandy. We don't need another one.

[Fire and Brimstone]

522. Hillary would love to see Obama shot and McCain keel over

It is just the way of the Black Widow taking over.

[Broadslidin]

525. Tis time to slink off into the sunset, Senator Hillary "I trust George W. Bush" Clinton.

Those unwavering 'I trust.....' words used by Senator Clinton
in declaring her approval of imperial pre-emptive war
from the senate floor...

keep ringing in my ears, to this very day.

There is something sinister in a person's ability
to ignore government sanctioned brutal murder
and the misery resulting from attempted murder.

[Highway61]

527. My God

Ted just was handed a death sentence this week...Obama has two little girls....this is over the top mean spirited. I am at a loss for words. I believe she just may have ruined her political career altogether. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[windoe]

529. Some people have a very slippery tongue

-it is amazing what comes out of their mouths sometimes. We all know these people, they may not be malicious, but their irresponsibility with speech gets them into trouble.
I did not back Hillary Clinton because of policy. A secondary yet important reason was that her spoken word was often initially misunderstood. This happens to everyone in the public eye, they get caught when they are tired, have had a couple of beers, or someone overhears them at a private gathering. This incident was none of these but an interview, when speaking must be completely thought out first, which makes excusing these words as just casual very difficult.
Barack Obama has had to explain a couple of statements too, he is human, and we can expect more controversial statements from him to be sure. He appears to be a concise and clear communicator, and has a way of reaching the youngest children, teens and elderly, of all races and religions.
And after the last 8 years of neo con code talkers, it is like healing balm.

[ohio2007]

530. doesn't matter , the damage is done .Hilary is finished,

"Black listed" if you will



The Hillarybot has become a freeper and just as she was about to do well in a few upcomming primaries.

[windoe]

532. Yep she's done-

and so sad to see how this run has affected the Clinton legacy.

[xioaping]

537. I wonder if she is trying to crawl out of her own skin

She can not recover from this. She is done.

[ohio2007]

543. dunno, she has very thick skin and it can't be changed .

[Haole Girl]

531. The video:

A picture - or smile, in this case - is worth a thousand words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tD4l1NYmXg

It was despicable to watch. :eyes:

[sendero]

535. We can now add...

... "you might as well not nominate Obama, he'll just get assassinated" to the long list of stupid and evil things HRC has said lately.

One wonders, how low can she go?

[AngryOldDem]

538. This is the second assassination reference in a week.

First it was Huckabee and his dumbass gun comment at the NRA rally, now this.

Just as with Huckabee, apology NOT accepted Hillary. You bitch.

[Autonomy]

540. so?

[Faux pas]

545. The longer she hangs on, the loonier she gets....

please hrc, do the honorable thing (if you are able to be honorable) and bow out. You're killing the party.

I think this pretty much finishes off your (fantasized) chance for a vp spot. Yikes!

[Zavulon]

546. Before she did this, I repeatedly said

that if Obama wins, he gets my vote, my volunteer time and my money. If Hillary wins, she gets nothing but my vote, and I'll be holding my nose when I cast it.

After her assassination comment, she doesn't even get my vote. If she does get her wish, God forbid, I'll vote straight ticket Dem until I get to President, and then it's Green Party. Voting for that wretched bitch would make me almost as much of a whore as her.

Did you all notice how the reprehensible bitch chose to hide behind a great American's brain cancer in her so-called apology?

Fuck her. I don't even want her keeping her Senate seat anymore.

[centeredcanadian]

548. invoking assinations of presidents

wow, i still cannot believe hillary clinton said what she did, or even think it for that matter. the US is a nation of bravery and perserverence, not a nation of fear and violence. the very thought of her remarks sadly troubles me. regardless of intent, the whole concept is insane for a presidential candidate. this is the 21st century, time for us to grow up as a nation, and join the rest of the western world when it comes to race/gender. i believe it all lies in education. people that don't have a great education seem to flock to hillary and mccain as they both tend to lead based on fear. this is very destructive behavior that leads to misunderstanding, and persecution...like it or not, we are all inhabitants of this tiny dot in the universe. we can either choose to self destruct or learn to accept our differences, the choice is ours to make. regarless of our political differences(which are welcomed and necessary in a democracy)there should be zero tolerance on this type of behavior whether "misspoken" or not. hillary, i think you have revealed your true colors, and it's extremely alarming, you no longer deserve the chance of being on the ticket whether president or vice president.....in fact i think she should remove herself from the public eye all together for awhile. i just no longer see her legitimacy as a public figure. we need to heal and grow, and this action doesn't lend itself to this pursuit.

so let go of our fears, tackle the issues head on with respect, humility and integrity....yes it is possible, in fact there's someone already doing that and he goes by the name of barack obama. it won't be easy, but it's necessary if we are to survive as a species.

my heart and thoughts go out to the kennedy family for having to relive this tradgedy , especially when they are again going through trying times.

senator clinton, please do the honorable thing and remove yourself from the process, not because of the math, not because of your "fighting" spirit, but because what you said, in unforgivable.

[closeupready]

549. Beyond the pale.

:mad:

[Zorra]

553. Wow. I've never before seen a thread at DU where so many posters

missed the bus.

Senator Clinton was obviously making reference to the fact that no candidate had yet to lock in the Democratic nomination for POTUS by June of 1968.

And no, I'm not a Clinton supporter.

Worst. Primary. Season. Ever.

[apocalypsehow]

554. No, she wasn't. She was dog-whistling to the Hate Voters who make up much of her base. n/t.

[Zorra]

556. Neither Robert Kennedy Jr. nor Sen. Obama believe that, and both have said

so publicly.

[defendandprotect]

558. I suspect they were being . .. polite ---

[defendandprotect]

557. Beyond naive ---

[AlabamaBrightBlueDot]

561. effin' wench

Where is the female empathy?

[AlabamaBrightBlueDot]

562. effin' wench

Where is the female empathy?

[panzerfaust]

564. Expect the point she was making was that

... the campaign for nomination was STILL going on in June.

Nothing else.

I support neither HRC (old-establishment), nor Obama (new-establishment): They are both members of the power structure that is relentlessly undermining democracy. Power corrupts, and also seeks more power. Neither has, IMAO, any true qualification, beyond being born in America, to be president. I do also think that HRC's campaign has a scorched earth aspect to it, which can only harm the eventual Democratic presidential candidate - who, if it is Obama, will need all the help he use to fill in the empty phrases that make up HIS campaign.

Though I will (probably) vote for whomever runs on the Democratic ticket against the fascists - as I prefer the illusion of democracy offered by the Democrats, to the naked police state of the fascists - I can say that neither candidate shares many of my views. But then, on most issues I am a left-wing liberal (eg legalize pot; indeed, end the war on people who use drugs other than caffeine, tobacco and alcohol; provide national heathcare; end our endless wars for oil, normalize relations with Cuba, with Iran, etc; tear down the costly and likely useless Border Fence ...); though do have a conservative view on a few (guns, death penalty, welfare-reform (INCLUDING corporate-welfare)...

Fascism does not just mean "I don't like someone's politics", it was defined by Mussolini as "The fusion of Capital with the State": Sound like any formerly conservative, but now fascist, party that you know? Note the points of overlap between HRC, Obama, McCarthy (sorry, McCain - wrong Mc (Did I really say that?)) - almost as though an Elephant were being seen from different view points.



Any how, roasting HRC for this is but a thoughtless and lemminglike lynch party (Now what, if anything, did he mean by that??).

Just think about it a little: Damn unlikely that any (Democratic) presidential candidate would have anything to do with assassination. JFK, RFK, MLK, Senator Wellstone, Governor Carnahan, etc do make one wonder about another political party's thoughts on the matter though.

Don't bother to flame, I'm shutting down. As I said. Please just think about it before going after her for something like this: Someone is leading someone by the nose.