Bill Clinton: 'Cover up' hiding Hillary Clinton's chances

[ckramer]

Source: CNN

Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to "push and pressure and bully" superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

Bill Clinton did not explain who he was accusing of "covering up" Sen. Clinton's chances.

"I can't believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out," Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested some were trying to "cover up" Sen. Clinton's chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election.

" 'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.' "

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/bill.clinton.mon/

[DJ13]

1. Yes Bill, its all one big conspiracy

:eyes:

[Orsino]

54. A 'vast' one, I hear. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

2. First

Can anyone imagine they have not also been frantically pushing and pulling SDs to get them to go their way? Really?

Second, this whiney stuff is most unconvincing. In his mind, he must always be the victim. He's really sounding delusional. And frantic.

Find some grace here, Bill. Maybe you haven't thoroughly ruined your reputation. Maybe there's still some graceful and unifying way out.

[Bette Noir]

19. Bill Richardson

said that one of the reasons he chose to endorse Obama was that he was tired of the harrassment and bullying he was getting from the Clinton campaign.

[JerseygirlCT]

21. That's true- I'd forgotten that

And truly, that's the way it's all played. But it's downright weird to complain about your opponent doing things that you do, too.

[coalition_unwilling]

59. In Psych 101, attributing traits to others that you hold yourself is

known as 'projection'. The Clintons (and the Bush crime family) specialize in it.

[Lerkfish]

3. wow, that's one big barrel full of crazy.

and that's the nicest thing I can say to that.

[MadMaddie]

4. Sigh....every day it's some excuse, it can't be she is losing

because of a poorly run campaign.

Can anyone tell me about any other campaign in US History that started out with such promise and completely went into a free fall? It would be interesting to do a comparison.

[lark]

44. Gary Hart comes immediately to mind

He was done in by his hubris.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. He's absolutely right!

The media will not get off it's ass and just say flat out that Hillary doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hot hell of winning.

[MidwestTransplant]

41. Exactly. If she weren't Hillary Clinton, she wouldn't even have a permanent press presence on her

campaign any longer.

[C_U_L8R]

6. Rule number two: don't get high on your own supply.

I think Bill's inhaling.

[Blue State Bandit]

24. Number seven, and this rule is so under-rated...

keep family and business completely separated.

[NewEnglandGirl]

7. At Some Point

he is going to have to face reality.

[populistdriven]

8. You just dont FUCKING GET IT DO YOU BILL? We are on to your charades. Your mind meld over us is gone

We know all about Your and Hillary's REAL philosophy.

We know about Hillary's college THESIS.

That all the matters in politics is the WAR of opinion and Winning it by distorting what people see as REALITY.

Your projector is BROKEN BILL!

The REALITY train is no longer something you can SCREW WITH BILL!

FUCK YOU AND EVERY GOD DAMN BULLSHIT ATTEMPT TO DISTORT WHAT I SEE AND KNOW TO BE REAL.

WE fucking SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR BULLSHIT.

Maybe its GEORGE W BUSH'S FAULT.

Why don't you blame HIM?

George played all those same dirty distorting propaganda tricks and got CAUGHT so MANY TIMES he RUINED it for you and HILLARY.

GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY

THE O TRAINS A COMIN!!!!

[Mme. Defarge]

9. Make no mistake,

this is a calculated move to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Obama's nomination.

[goforit]

10. lions and tigers and bears...oh my!!! Paranoia has no plaace in the presidency

[Doctor_J]

11. He's gotten pathetic

His legacy of 65% popularity in Jan 2001 has been destroyed by this primary debacle.

[magellan]

12. It's so sad to watch someone of his former stature lose his marbles. n/t

[remember2000forever]

13. It's Truely Sad, Admit It. He Once Was Our Hero N/T

[mitchum]

49. He was never my hero, but merely the lesser of two evils

[Bette Noir]

22. I'm not sure how it's spelled, but it's called

"folie a deux." A delusion shared by two people, who reinforce each other's delusion. Bill and Hillary both seem to believe that she could win this election... if only it weren't for the blankety-blank voters who keep getting in the way.

[tomhayes]

31. so they are DELUSIONAL?

So the 1780 delegates and 16 million votes mean nothing? they way very well lose at the convention, but I don't see them as being INSANE , or whatever French thing you said.

I'm just glad you have anything they say figured out the second they say it.

[grytpype]

14. Two brilliant political careers destroyed.

If they had just faced the inevitable after Feb. 5, they would still have their honor and reputation.

But they flushed it away. They're nuts, both of them.

[lark]

45. Feb. 5th?

How about all the states that voted after that - have they no meaning? Why are Dems trying so hard to disenfranchise other dems?

[sendero]

55. Once the statistical chances of winning..

... drop to the 1% range, no the rest of the votes don't matter. Dumbass.

[BearSquirrel2]

52. If she had not denigrated Obama as a candidate ....

If she had not denigrated Obama as a candidate and faced reality, there could have been a joint ticket. It IS a real shame.

[Epiphany4z]

15. why would anyone

have to cover up the popular vote when its about the delegate lead?

[Owl]

16. Poor Bill has lost his senses.

[truthisfreedom]

17. He seems to be suggesting that the right wing is controlling the media to make sure that Obama gets

the nomination. That's all I can figure. It's pretty damned wacky.

[Blue State Bandit]

26. Since when is DU and Kos mainstream?

Bill is showing what many have feared about him. That he was nothing more than the lesser of two evils.

He is breaking my heart.

[tomhayes]

32. Where did he say DailyKos was mainstream?

He's saying that people are FRANTICLY trying to shut them up, and have been for many many months.

That actually seems to be the case form where I'm sitting. Where you site Bill is a sad little evil loser who disappoints what you want.

I still don't see why we don't just nominate someone AT THE CONVENTION?!!??!!? Or does that make me INSANE too?

Boo hoo.

[Blue State Bandit]

57. I hear no MSM outlets saying get out, just why stay.

It's only in the "liberal blogs" that you find people calling for her to quit.

And there would be no calls for Bill and Hillary to "shut up" if they didn't consistently say stupid, verifiable false, and self-destructive shit.

Am I wrong for calling for her to stop, as a citizen with no press creds, because I feel that she is doing damage to both herself and the party?

And to say that the damage to the party is not occurring is willful blindness. I don't hear Obama saying things like "well, black folks support me", or super delegates complaining about being harassed by the Obama campaign.

Let's be honest here. Clinton screwed herself. She signed off on excluding FL and MI, then changed her mind when it suited her; flip-flop. She gave a false account of her trip to Bosnia; lack of honesty. And she repeatedly referenced the RFK assassination to provide a false time line to justify her decision to stay in the race; in the best possible scenario, this gaffe represents a lack of political judgment in strenuous situations.

It was my hope that she would remain a leader in our party. Her actions in the past few week have made that hope fade.

[truthisfreedom]

40. I'm not suggesting that. I'm only pointing out what he seems to be saying... I'm for Obama.

I voted for the Big Dog, and I believed in him then, and I don't think he's changed that much... but I do believe he's really losing his ability to clearly get a message across that resonates with his former supporters. And Hillary is making so many gaffes that it's hard for me to say or think anything positive about her anymore.

[defendandprotect]

18. We are just all failing to acknowledge how the POPULAR vote is used to nominate a candidate --!!!

[rodrigo2xxx]

20. they are the new Orwell, they want to victimize in order to go alone ...

that's all ... they are funny. They think they are wise, and that we are just true dumbs ...
her wife has just, two days ago, talk about kennedy's assassination, a month ago they mount this so called white collar workers, two-three months ago about that reverend, before about the colors, and even before on too much leftists by obama's side ... and now the so called press against her ??!!

well, that's enough. They think we are dumbs.

In fact, they do that just because they want to victimize, and to appear as victims in order to have the right to go alone, and to raise the candidature of hillary. Three candidates, She, Mccain and obama.... the clintons at the centre of course, to save the country from the horrible white (right) McCain, and the horrible black (left) Obama ...

[Joe Bacon]

23. Look in the mirror, Bill because the PROBLEM is YOU!

You've lied too many times to get us to believe you anymore! We don't need another Monica. Go away!

[psychmommy]

25. the vast left wing conspiracy

i stole that from another duer but i found it appropriate.

[bluebellbaby]

27. He is correct, unfortunately...the "powers that be"...won't let HRC win

the nomination...because they know she would win the GE...can't have that...One World Order has to finish the job it started with *ush...and they can't trust a woman...or more specifically HRC...to continue their "plans"...

[JeanGrey]

33. What "powers" are keeping Hillary from winning? The last

time I looked she was finished on Super Tuesday.

[AngryOldDem]

28. It's the vast right-wing conspiracy. n/t

[tomhayes]

30. So you don't think there was a vast right wing conspiracy?

Are you *REALLY* saying that? or do you just hate the Clintons as much as the Republicans do?

[JeanGrey]

35. Do you remember the context that she said that in? When she

DENIED that Bill had an affair with Lewinsky and it was only a "vast right wing conspiracy". NO it wasn't and YES he did.

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[Alexander]

38. You call someone a "dummy" when you clearly can't spell properly?

"Seems like the anti-Hilalry people sound *JSUT LIKE* the anti-Bill people from the nineties."

Oh, the irony.

:rofl:

[tomhayes]

39. Really?

Really? That's it?
Pathetic.

[JeanGrey]

56. Of course not but trying to change what happened is silly as

well. She made that comment in reference specifically to MONICA. The right didn't twist Bill's arm and have him do the stupid things he did.

[BearSquirrel2]

53. Nope ...

This one is the vast left wing conspiracy. If you're sandwiched by two vast conspiracies on either side, isn't it time to just get out. I'm pretty sure that Faux would restart the VRC if she did manage to get the nomination.

[tomhayes]

29. He's right

There has been a great push for months saying Hillary should drop out immediately. That it's over.

I still don't see what the rush is?

You realize that Obama and Hillary share most of the same positions on most major issues and that right now Obama is ahead by about 7% (with Edwards delegates.)

I don't see why people have been DEMANDING that Hillary SHUT UP , sit down and leave. She and Bill have both been told to SHUT UP for nearly six months now. That seems undemocratic to me.

And the people here on DU seem more anti-Hillary than they seem anti-Republican.

Hillary is no VILLAIN. She's not INSANE. She's not a cold calculating robot that only craves power. She's not a racist. She's not trying to suppress vote. She's not trying to STEAL the nomination by changing the rule sin the middle of the game (the rules under which the superdelagates are free to choose the nominee if they don't get the required delegates before the convention.) She's not a fear monger because she ran the 3am ads. She DID NOT cry.

Hillary has been SAVAGED by people who I thought would have better sense. Ollberman has gone INSANE. DailyKos too.

I'm not saying you should vote for her, but i really think this site has been disproportionately hard one her.

Whoever the democratic nominee in the general election is (looks like Obama based on perception and pressure put onto the superdelegates (which is part of the game)) will face the same times of things form the Republicans.

And you'll see that as undemocratic at that time.


I'm voting Democratic this year.

[JeanGrey]

34. Okay. This is not flame bait. I really think something is wrong

with Bill. This is NOT the man who was President. He almost acts like he's got some kind of mental problem.

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[Pavlovs DiOgie]

42. I thought it was just Hillary

who was living in a fantasyland - guess they are there together. They seriously need a dose of reality.

[mitchum]

43. If anyone knows about COVERING UP it's bushbuttboy Bill Clinton

[lark]

46. Moronic

"Bushbuttboy"????

Were you even around in the 90's? You sound like one of those young punks that think that politics was invented just now. You obviously know nothing of what happened back when. If Clinton's and Bush's are so close, why did shrub strike down all of Clinton's "rulings" as one of his very first acts? Uh, because they are polar opposites - perhaps? Get a clue, read some about the past before you ignorantly post something stupid again. I bet you think Clinton and Obama are so different politically, even when they've voted the same way 98% of the time. Just a guess.

[mitchum]

48. Read Robert Parry for the truth about Clinton and bush 1, you starry-eyed fangirl

maybe that will corect your ignorance
maybe not...

[skoalyman]

47. See bill's back on the

K001aID:toast:

[BearSquirrel2]

50. The last "vast conspiracy" was on Faux News ...

The previous "vast right wing conspiracy" was on Faux News. How come Faux is now the one helping the Clintons??? hmmm....

If you chose, "reverse psychology" you would be incorrect.

[Aramis]

51. Bill Clinton knows very well what is coming.

But there is nothing he can do about it.

<<<Hillary in 2012>>>

[Zavulon]

58. What a complete pantload.

Bill's antics on this campaign are so ill-advised and utterly stupid that a.) he's making me forget the good he did as president, and b.) he's making me wonder if he really wants Hillary to win.

I remember his lukewarm speech in "support" of Kerry at the 2004 convention, and this is even worse. All accusations like this do is make me laugh and shake my head as I remember that glorious moment when I voted for Obama in the primaries.

[skooooo]

60. bill clinton = scumbag