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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:22 AM
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Church to begin same-sex nuptials
Source: Pasadena Star-News

PASADENA - All Saints Church in Pasadena, one of the largest and most liberal Episcopalian congregations in the country, announced Thursday it will begin performing wedding ceremonies for gay couples starting June 16.

In what All Saints Rector the Rev. Ed Bacon called a "historic vote," church officials adopted the "Resolution on Marriage Equality" unanimously Thursday, after a special meeting of the 3,500-member congregation's lay leadership.

The church's action came in response to the California Supreme Court's May 15 ruling overturning the ban on gay marriage approved by voters in 2000. All Saints has performed blessings for same-sex couples for the past 15 years. But Bacon described the church vestry's vote as showing "stirring courage to move beyond lip service" to the church's commitment to equality by extending marriage rights to gay members.

"Today's decision is consistent with All Saints Church, Pasadena's identity as a peace and justice church," Bacon said in a statement Thursday. "It also aligns us with the Scriptures' mandate to make God's love tangible by `doing justice and loving mercy' (Micah 6:8) and with the canons of our Episcopal Church that forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."



Read more: http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9352923
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:26 AM
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1. This is great.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:35 AM
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2. Excellent. EQUAL RIGHTS for all is always excellent.
Too bad about all those republican marriages that will now be ruined because same-sex couples are getting married. :eyes:
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:43 AM
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3. And may this decision make the people threatening schism over gay clergy and same-sex marriage...
Be called home to Glory all that much sooner. :toast:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:47 AM
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4. Many Episcopal churches around the country perform wedding cermonies
for same-sex couples, although they have no legal standing in most parts of the country.

By the way, this is the same parish that got into trouble with the IRS for preaching an anti-war sermon, even though it never endorsed any party or candidate.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:55 PM
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11. Yup. I have a friend there.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 12:56 PM by JerseygirlCT
It sounds like a really cool place!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:10 AM
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5. If it was legal in Michigan, my church would perform them-we do non-legal ceremonies, now
Most Unity, Unitarian, UCC, Episcopal, and other liberal churches will do gay weddings when there is a law allowing them.

The UMC will split over this issue, eventually. They'll survive-they survived the split with the Wesleyans over slavery.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:40 PM
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19. The law allows the ceremony. There's just no license to sign.
Doing a wedding ceremony is allowed by law in every state. Church services such as this are protected by the 1st Amendment. Of course, in most states there's not license signed after the ceremony, but that has no bearing on whether the wedding is legal.

I do same-sex weddings, even though there are no provisions for them in state law. I explain this to the couples--they are married in the eyes of the church, but not in the eyes of the state. Which is perfectly legal.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:37 AM
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31. That's how my current church and the one I grew up attending view it
In the eyes of the church and God, the couple is married, whether the State of Michigan legally validates it or not. I would not be a member of a church that didn't have that policy.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:34 AM
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6. Yep and Jesus TV is in all out attack mode over this!
Can't stop laughing my ass off over Mr Closet Queen Paul Crouch ranting all over this. Ol Helmet Head needs to go back to his mountain cabin retreat with his "Special friend" :evilgrin:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:58 AM
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7. Gay Marriage will Become a "Norm"
We will one day not even differentiate between hero and homosexual marriages. And bigots have all outed themselves just in time.... they too will have to do much introspection in the coming years.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:22 PM
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8. This is excellent news... K&R nt
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:39 PM
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9. The Coming Schism
It will be interesting to see what the Archbishop of Canterbury does at this point.

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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:17 PM
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13. The Archbishop of Canterbury will do what he usually does: nothing.
He will prevaricate in some obscure manner than nobody understands, but he won't actually do something. He is Rowan the Spineless.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:45 PM
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10. Pasadena CA is such a beautiful place...
Edited on Tue May-27-08 12:45 PM by Tikki
such loving memories will be built there at that church.
Congratulations to all the future married.

Tikki
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:17 PM
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17. I agree. It is beautiful. Wonderful architechture in downtown district.
We once drove there because the Pasadena public library had a copy of a book I wanted to peruse because it wasn't available in closer libraries. Seems kinda silly to think back on that as a reason to drive for several hours. We've been meaning to go back to visit the Huntington library and Botanical gardens ... someday....

Must be kind of a progressive place with same-sex marriages being performed at a local church!
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timbo_houston_tx Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:02 PM
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12. Great NEws!
Some Episcopal Diocese do allow it, most do not. For example, my partner and I are Episcopalians in Houston and our Bishop does not allow the service. We are excited by the news. We are planning to go to California this summer and hopefully we can get one of the priests at All Saints to perform the service for us!

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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:26 PM
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14. And don't forget to call in your support of the CA Supreme Court ruling...


The office of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is polling reaction to the California Supreme Court decision overturning the ban on gay marriage.

Most of the response they are getting is in OPPOSITION to the court action ( :grr: ), so let's see if we can reverse that trend.

To vote IN SUPPORT of the Supreme Court's decision on marriage equality:

1. call 1-916-445-2841
2. press 1, 5, 1, 1 (these are the prompts to push in that order)



And yes, you can call even if you are not in CA!
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:45 PM
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24. If you haven't already...
you should make this a separate post. :thumbsup:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:44 PM
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25. Actually, someone else has already made it a separate post, but
it was posted yesterday, so I thought I'd insert it here as well since this post seems to be getting some attention. :)
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:01 PM
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26. I saw that, thanks!
And welcome to DU!

:hi:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:19 PM
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28. Thanks!
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:34 PM
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15. "All Saints" be praised!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:03 PM
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16. Yay!
Time to gear up for the fight.

They'll go down kicking and screaming just like they did when we legalized marriages betweem blacks and whites.

It's inevitable, but we might have a few scrapes.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:21 PM
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18. Geaux (All) Saints!
:bounce:
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:14 PM
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20. This church also fought the IRS on its tax-exempt status a few years back.
Gotta love a church that acutally lives up to what religion teaches.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:28 PM
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21. That is awesome. I am proud to be an Episcopalian. Our church
is a downtown church which gives out hundreds of bags of food a month plus clothes, socks, gloves,coats etc. On Sunday our minister gave a sermon in which he pretty much denounced the 8 years of Bush and what they have done to the world, which is overpopulated and called on the next president, Goper or Democratic, to once again give contraceptives to the peoples of the world.
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baghdad_bush Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:59 PM
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22. Maybe Rush will now move back to California with one of his 'special friends'.
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insleeforprez Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:36 PM
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27. Mmhmm
Everyone we don't like is gay. :)
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:32 PM
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23. I used to go to this church. I think it's time to go back.
:woohoo:

There are some absolutely fabulous people at that church. Obviously.

:loveya:
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:23 PM
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29. Congrats and best wishes to the happy couples!
This has been a long time coming. Blessings on their houses, and upon this church.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:04 AM
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30. Send'em a Thank you..!!
J. Edwin Bacon, Jr.
Rector
626.583.2711
ebacon@allsaints-pas.org
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