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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:28 PM
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APNewsBreak: US asks to rewrite detainee evidence
Source: A Via Excite.com

Jun 20, 2:27 PM (ET)

By MATT APUZZO

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration wants to rewrite the official evidence against Guantanamo Bay detainees, allowing it to shore up its cases before they come under scrutiny by civilian judges for the first time.

The government has stood behind the evidence for years. Military review boards relied on it to justify holding hundreds of prisoners indefinitely without charge. Justice Department attorneys said it was thoroughly and fairly reviewed.

Now that federal judges are about to review the evidence, however, the government says it needs to make changes.

The decision follows last week's Supreme Court ruling, which held that detainees have the right to challenge their detention in civilian court, not just before secret military panels. At a closed-door meeting with judges and defense attorneys this week, government lawyers said they needed time to add new evidence and make other changes to evidentiary documents known as "factual returns."

Attorneys for the detainees criticized the idea, saying the government is basically asking for a last-minute do-over.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080620/D91DVER04.html



I can't even comment on this crap anymore. We are lost.

Jay
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:35 PM
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1. Looking for a Mulligan in capital crime cases. . .
and Bush says he no longer plays games . . .
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:35 PM
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2. President Gentleman's C strikes again
Every college professor, teacher's aide, and former student knows the type: The screw-off, the goofball, the guy who can't be bothered. Everyone else is cramming for finals, and he's out in the quad, throwing a Frisbee because it's so nice outside. Or at the end of winter term, he's so invested in his semester-long party that the idea of studying or writing that paper just doesn't compute.

You know George W. Bush was such a student. You just know it.

And what happens when the term ends, and all the tests are administered and the papers are due? "Golly Professor Duke, I've just had so much to do, and with my grandma dying and all, I need another couple of days to turn in my paper." You want to tell Professor Duke that the little lying bastard should have to give an oral report on the spot, but the professor knows as well as you that the little lying bastard's daddy has some pull with the trustees. So he gets his extension. And another one. And he escapes the class with a C, mostly because the professor doesn't want to have to deal with the snivelling creep anymore.

Does it translate to the real world of prosecuting men so that they are at danger of their liberty and life? Time will tell, but I hope the judges tell this corrupt administration and its incompetent prosecutors to go to hell.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:09 AM
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19. actually- it's even worse than that...
the "gentleman's c" at yale during the time dumbya was there referred to the practice whereby "legacy" students-(those whose parents/grandparents had attended yale) who appealed failing grades to a board of regents would usually result in those "f's" becoming "c's".
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:51 PM
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3. What do they think this is? A backyard croquet game?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:53 PM
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4. yes they do
...and if they win, they get to kill someone. Isn't the US grand?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:04 PM
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5. Time for congress to cave in again. Pelosi, do what you do best, protect Bush and his buddies.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:07 PM
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6. God these people are so obvious
they have to 'rewrite' the bullshit that will get laughed out and will never fly.

CRIMINALS.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:08 PM
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7. Amazing
Fuckers
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:10 PM
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8. We can't trust our leaders, we can't trust each other.
Yeah, it doesn't look promising.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:25 PM
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9. These people have no sense of shame. How obvious is it now that
these criminals have no case and never planned to have a case. No should be the answer to their request.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:33 PM
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10. WHAT COWARDS THEY ARE
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:50 PM
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11. INF**kingCREDIBLE!
I feel ASHAMED of my country at this moment. Ashamed that there's citizens who put in power, those who would summarily discard all that my teachers told me was what made it a great (if not THE Greatest) country on earth.
And to think that the perpetrators of this shit are folks who claim to embrace the ideals spelled out by the one they supposedly hold highest (savior Jesus). Their "faiths" are a hollow phoniness. And if there IS a hell, they've bought an express ticket to get there. :evilfrown:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:58 PM
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14. I have been ashamed of my country for seven years.
:-(













"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot



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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:57 PM
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12. Read the whole article. In my post below is an extremely important part of this issue.
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 05:02 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
"The question is part of a broader dispute over what the upcoming hearings will look like. Attorneys for the detainees want judges to review all the evidence and decide whether each prisoner should be released. The government believes the judges should look only at limited evidence prepared by officials at Guantanamo Bay."

That's why defense attorneys are troubled by the idea that authorities now want to rewrite that evidence. If the court limits arguments to just the government's record, and gives the government a chance to improve that record, they believe the detainees' chances will be hurt.

"They're not just talking about making a little supplement where they've learned something new," said attorney Charles H. Carpenter, who was in the meeting. "They're talking about possibly amending every single one."



In essence what they're trying to do is a railroad job on these detainees.

Edit: I somehow lost half my snip in my first post.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:57 PM
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13. And they will get away with this
They just claim National Security, 9/11 and everyone bows down and says well then ok.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:44 AM
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18. 9/11 and religion trumps democracy every time.
These vile little weasels are ruining our democracy. The damage they've done can't be fully repaired, even with a Dem in the White House and a large majority in both House and Senate. God Damn them!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:03 PM
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15. They're rewritten the Constitution. So what's the big deal?
:shrug:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:15 AM
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16. I'm giving this a weekend kick because I think it is
ASTOUNDING.

This bit of news tells you everything you need to know about Guantanamo.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:41 AM
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17. Another outrage that will be ignored by the MSM. nt
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