NRA targets Obama

[Nambe]

Source: The Boston Globe

The National Rifle Association said today it will send a mailer to 4 million members warning that Barack Obama "would be the most anti-gun president in American history."

The mailer also tells members "Don't believe" Obama on the Second Amendment.

"NRA will not allow Barack Obama to revise history," Chris W. Cox, NRA's chief lobbyist, said in a statement. "He has supported bans on handguns and semi-automatic firearms, and he has voted to ban possession of many shotguns and rifles commonly used by hunters and sportsmen across America. And we will remind voters every single time he lies." ...

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/nra_targets_oba.html

[davepc]

1. Of course the people who wrote the 2008 platform copied the 2004 one

which made prominate mention of the Assualt Weapons Ban and "gun show" loophole.



A quick recap of the 2004 election:

21 Electoral Votes in 2004.

North Carolina:

Mike Easley (D) 55.6% -- NRA "A" Rating
Patrick Ballantine (R) 42.9%

Bush 56%
Kerry 44%

West Virgina:

Joe Manchin (D) 63.5% -- NRA "A+" Rating
Monty Warner (R) 34%

Bush 56%
Kerry 43%

Montana:

Brian Schweitzer (D) 50.4% -- NRA "A" Rating
Bob Brown (R) 46%

Bush 59%
Kerry 39%


See the trend? Pro-gun Democrats beat Republicans handily on the same day Bush beat Kerry in those same states by double digit margins.

Kerry's most publicized senate vote, one he came off the campaign trail specifically to cast, was for the (failed) reauthorization of the 1994 assault weapons ban.



..

Dont tell me gun politics dont matter.

[Kolesar]

6. "don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment "

The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than they are for those plagued by gang violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals -- Barack Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC, August 28, 2008

[jody]

19. It's illegal for criminals to possess an AK-47 but of course criminals don't obey laws. n/t

[krispos42]

44. The "AK-47" thing is a rheorical talking point

The AK-47-pattern gun in the hands of the American citizen are, with a few exceptions, unremarkable, perfectly legal semi-automatic rifles.

ALL rifles, including AK-47-pattern, AR-15-pattern, other semi-automatics, lever-action, bolt-action, and pump action, account for about 2.7% of all homicides combined, and that includes non-negligent manslaughter.

It's a media myth. Much is make of the "potential", not the reality, which is very "Cheney on terrorism"-ish.

Our homicide rate is down 40% from 15 years ago. Other violent crimes (rape, robbery, assault) are down in similar ways.

95% of all homicide victims are from single-victim crime scenes, down from 97% thirty years ago.



Nobody thinks criminals should have guns. However, trying to disarm criminals by drying up the civilian market is a policy doomed to failure, especially when criminals don't use rifles!

The problems driving a goodly amount of violent crime are social and economic and can't be solved by hardware control.

[summer borealis]

8. I'm a Pennsylvania hunter and gun owner

and I know, and my friends know, that the NRA is completely full of shit. They only care about Repuke politicians and NOT gun owners.

[madmom]

31. This is true, my SO and several of his friends withdrew their membership years ago!

[krispos42]

43. The NRA supports pro-gun politicians

Which means they usually support Republicans because Republicans are much more pro-gun than Democrats.


I fail to see why this surprises anybody. I'll be we get most of campaign support from NARAL and the ADL.

[slackmaster]

47. A bunch of us gave the patform committee feedback about those planks

Dropping the "AW" ban plank would not have caused a single voter to choose a GOP candidate over a Democratic one in any race, for President, House, Senate, or any state or local office.

But I know for a fact there are people who will specifically avoid voting for Democrats because of that one item.

The platform committee didn't listen to us. If we lose this election by a slim margin, that will be one simple way the loss could have been avoided.

[and-justice-for-all]

2. I saw that crap...

some asshole here at work keeps, posting the 4 little cards that are in his Gun mags to the bulletin board in the break room. It has 10 things that you should know about Barack and his gun policies; they are nothing more than exaggerations and misinformation. So, I take them down and put them through the shredder.

A) it is complete crap and B) your not supposed to be posting that shit at work.

[d_b]

3. haha

my grandad got one of those. Barack is going to close 90% of gun shops! he'll make it illegal to defend your home!.

Sorry, but those folks are fucking morons (sorry pops).

[Doug.Goodall]

4. The Gun Pushers won't be happy until there is a law requiring people to own guns

The NRA envisions the United States to be modeled after Kennesaw, Georgia.

[bowens43]

5. well there's a shocker........

[Gillian]

7. I wish the Dems would just drop the gun issue.

We have been in a state of constant wars for 60 years.

[AndyTiedye]

52. We Already Did

It didn't make any difference to the NRA.

[webDude]

9. Translation: "he is a 'negro' ". They can't say that, ...

...so you come up with something from left field, that was not really relevant before, to defend your position.

[Nihil]

14. Good guess.

Not that surprising that the National Republican Association will
take their usual turn at lying about the Democratic candidate.
:shrug:

[Frisbee]

15. ding ding ding ding ding ...

We have a winner.:applause:

[singingbiscuit]

25. Here's a reminder...

And we can always use a reminder!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqx8EdbFxXw

Pretty funny too. About 1/2 way through is where the major racist connection comes in.
This is the cartoon featured in "Bowling For Columbine."

[Bozita]

29. You left out an important adjective, ... "uppity"

[bdamomma]

41. or the other word, elitist, what crap

hey rove are you using the same playbook over and over again to catapult the propaganda, I only wish more people would see how this disgusting regime is playing them as fools.

[krispos42]

48. Interesting post in the Gungeon "The Conservative Roots of Gun Control"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x134977#135013

Lots of info in the replies as well as the OP.

[Tom-p2]

10. This is a big issue for a lot of

Independents and Democrats that are gun owners. Bidden is the self proclaimed "architect" of the 1994 AWB. Obama's quote "don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals" tells many people that he is going to target so called "Assault weapons", and sign another ban when it comes in front of him. Also he has stated he is in support a federal ban on conceal carry. My biggest issue with Obama is his stance on the 2nd A. I know many gun owners that may not vote for him based on his stance. This will hurt him in rural settings, a place that McCain/palin are gaining momentum.

[Dogtown]

21. You'd like it to be

but not everyone is a one-trick pony.

I own guns, I have a carry permit. And I *ALWAYS* vote democrat.

There are larger issues at stake, even if they aren't important to you.

[Bandit]

27. Exactly how did the Assault Weapons Ban effect you?

Did Bambi get away from you because you couldn't pump thirty shots at it?

[8 track mind]

36. that and

he couldn't buy .50 caliber anti-aircraft tracers for squirrel hunting!

:rofl:

[slackmaster]

49. The AW ban reduced peoples' choices without providing any offsetting benefit to public safety

Choice is good.

[Vinca]

11. Poor choice of headline on the part of the Globe. nt

[mitchum]

33. It was a deliberate choice

[NOW tense]

12. Gee Johnny What is in your grab bag today?

"well friend Obama's going to take your guns......He is the most liberal senator in the senate......."
EVERY ELECTION!


ENOUGH!!!

[safeinOhio]

13. I remember they said the same thing about Clinton

8 years later and not one gun was taken from anyone.
My guess is that us gun owners have more to fear from the neocon corporate crowd than any Dem. Unfettered markets don't go well with unions and guns for the workers.

[Tom-p2]

16. you are not correct

Clinton signed the original 1994 "Assault weapons Ban" into law.

[safeinOhio]

17. I am correct

No assault weapon was taken from any citizen by that law. Can you name one person that had the federal gov take their weapon away because of that law. It only stopped the future sale of some weapons and clips.
Despite what the NRA predicted NO GUNS WERE TAKEN FROM ANYONE DURING CLINTON. None will be taken during Obama.

[llmart]

20. You ARE correct.....

The NRA has used that sorry line about "the Democrats are going to come take your guns away" in every election. It's a fear tactic aimed at the minority of people who are members of this goofy organization. First it was "Clinton is going to come take your guns away" then "Gore is going to come take your guns away" now it's "Obama is going to come take your guns away." Yes, many of their members believe it but they are one-issue voters anyway.

And yes, the majority of gun owners and hunters would do well to worry more about the Repugs ties to big corporations and lobbyists who have taken their JOBS away.

[bullwinkle428]

38. You forgot "Kerry will take my guns away"! I heard that one

canvassing for the last mid-term election cycle!

[Dogtown]

23. Excellent take-down, safeinOhio

Ippon!

:applause:

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. In simple language for the comprehension impaired:

"Gun grabbers" NEVER grab guns.*





*Unless they are Blackwater mercenaries hired by Republicans to seize the guns of the population of New Orleans.

[mitchum]

34. Enjoy your dirt nap

[krispos42]

50. Oh they won't do that

I would suspect that the plan for civilian disarmament goes something like this:


Ban new sales of a class of weapons. Handguns, so-called "assault weapons", or whatever new class of guns the gun-control people can think of.

Then require the people that currently own them register them.

Then prohibit the current owners from selling, giving, or bequeathing those registered guns to any other civilian.

And let the guns and their owners whither on the vines.




It's not that the Clinton AWB took away guns people already owned, it barred the sale of new guns that met the (very arbitrary) definition of "assault weapon".

My guess is that us gun owners have more to fear from the neocon corporate crowd than any Dem. Unfettered markets don't go well with unions and guns for the workers.

I agree 100%. And if we keep beating this horse we're keeping lots of people from seeing the threat of the neocon corporate crowd!

It's a distraction from the real issues.

The underlying reasons for most violent crime are social and economic, a direct result of conservative and neoconservative policies, not whether semi-automatic rifles have bayonet mounts. However, we can't address the social and economic problems by a) banning gungs, b) getting ourselves voted out of office, or c) all of the above.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Chris Cox is stroking more than his gun, as usual.

[jody]

22. Obama can take RKBA off the table by saying "I will veto any bill that comes to me that infringes

upon the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense and that includes the assault weapons ban."

IMO, unless he does that, he will lose votes in swing states like PA, MI, OH, FL and possibly the election.

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[boomerbust]

26. Not this time

Wango Tango Teddie, you draft dodging ass licking coward.

[Owl]

28. The NRA dingbats are certainly wearisome.

I was a NRA member for one year long ago; been telling them to go to hell ever since. One year of their propaganda-filled mailers convinced me they're a crappy organization.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

30. Expect to see most...

If not all of the tripe from the NRA in the gungeon.

[AlbertCat]

32. If McCain wins

You'll need a gun, because you won't be able to afford food. Don't worry, the VP will distribute videos and brochures on how to gut your kill to feed your family... and protect your kill from your starving neighbors.

No one (of any significance) wants to take hunters hunting guns away from them. Most gun law advocates would just like it to be so you cannot walk into a tent in Bumfuck county, Alabama and walk out with a machine gun. OK?????

[stillcool]

55. I agree. If McCain wins..buy more guns.

[2Design]

37. fanatics like the right wing - oh maybe they are the right wing n/t

[bdamomma]

39. what total BS

has a democratic president ever taken away peoples guns give me a break, it will be a repig government that will do it first.

[Blue_Tires]

40. of course the globe neglects to mention just this week Obama/Biden

both reinforced their support of the second amendment in front of crowds in tradionally "red" areas

[krabigirl]

42. I don't like guns, but why don't people see that Obama supports rifles, but not machine guns?

What is the point of having a machine gun, anyway, except to gun people down? Yuck.

[slackmaster]

45. Machine guns have been strictly regulated since 1934, and nobody, not even the NRA

Is calling for a repeal of the National Firearms Act.

[AndyTiedye]

51. What is the Difference Between an AK47 Converted to Full Auto and a Machine Gun?

[slackmaster]

54. An AK47 is normally fully automatic and therefore a machine gun

What are you talking about?

Building a machine gun without the required federal and state paperwork is a major felony.

[ramapo]

46. What a surprise

Yet another tired, yet somewhat popular, refrain.

[Buenaventura]

53. to paraphrase senator jon tester ...

the NRA - that's the reason I'm keepin' *my* guns.

[superconnected]

59. good one!

hahahahhaha.

[Zorra]

56. Any Dem that belongs to the NRA should quit the organization.

They are nothing but a propaganda arm of the republican party.

[fascisthunter]

57. exactly

[superconnected]

58. Scariest title I've seen in a long time.

[amber_86]

60. Oh my

I hate guns, unless I need to protect my family. I might get one, maybe. Just use a baseball bat or something. But criminals that are felons can't have guns or any kind of weapons in their homes. If they are found with weapons, then they get sat back to prison.