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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:55 PM
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Unredacted documents reveal prisoners tortured to death
Source: Raw Story - Stephen Webster

The American Civil Liberties Union has released previously classified excerpts of a government report on harsh interrogation techniques used in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. These previously unreported pages detail repeated use of "abusive" behavior, even to the point of prisoner deaths.

The documents, obtained by the ACLU under a Freedom of Information Act request, contain a report by Vice Admiral Albert T. Church, who was tapped to conduct a comprehensive review of Defense Department interrogation operations. Church specifically calls out interrogations at Bagram Air base in Afghanistan as "clearly abusive, and clearly not in keeping with any approved interrogation policy or guidance."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Unredacted_documents_reveal_prisoners_tortured_to_0212.html



Full story with links to original report documents at the link.

-Diane
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:57 PM
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1. It doesn't count if you didn't mean to kill the prisoner. Plus, if a
prisoner dies, by definition, he or she was a terrorist.
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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:00 PM
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4. Kinda like the witch hunt days...
If you weren't a witch you were supposed to float when they tossed you in the water.(or was it the other way around?)
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:41 PM
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11. it was the other way around
If you were a witch, you would float, in which case, they'd kill you.

If you were innocent... you'd be consoled to know you'd go to heaven....

:banghead:
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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:05 PM
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15. oh yeah, the 'win-win' situation. n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:59 PM
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2. K&R
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:00 PM
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3. How much more proof do we need to prosecute?
Crimes were committed. There should be no discussion; no independent panel to explore whether or not blah blah blah.

Torture. Death. War Crimes.
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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:03 PM
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5. If y'all could 'digg' that, it would be most appreciated!
Helps us get our news ranked better on the Google. :)

Thanks!

-Diane
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:20 PM
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8. Consider it done...
Consider it done... as I really (really) appreciate the work all you guys do at RS.
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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:58 PM
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13. thanks so much!
Nice to hear, it means a lot. :)
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proudAZdem Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:10 PM
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6. How something so bad
as torture happen on Bush's watch? I mean, him and his cabinet are religious political figures.

There's no way the Bush administration would do something so heinous and obviously criminal.

Oh wait, many of Bush's policies were shady bordering on criminal. Let's review: http://tv1.com/playlists/123
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:11 PM
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7. +11
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:22 PM
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9. Kick
This is our national disgrace.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 02:32 AM
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31. Well, one of this generation's anyway. Killing Native Americans, slavery, internment of the
Japanese, Jim Crow laws,and other events were right up there on the disgrace meter. So is denying members of the GLBT community human rights.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 01:22 PM
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41. No.
Torturing and murder are BAD,
but our National Disgrace is having a completely fraudulent one-party political system that will close ranks to protect the system.

No Rich, White War Criminals will be the slightest bit inconvenienced by the Obama administration.

It really is ALL a big scam, but please send in another donation.
The Democrats are almost able to do something for you.
If they just had a 70 vote majority, THEN they could actually get something done.


What's that?
You thought they only needed a 60 vote majority?
Hahahahahahaha!
THAT is sooooo last week.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:23 PM
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10. here are early links to this
http://www.worldrevolution.org/article/716

March 7, 2003
Afghan prisoners beaten to death at US military interrogation base
The Guardian (UK)

Two prisoners who died while being held for interrogation at the US military base in Afghanistan had apparently been beaten, according to a military pathologist's report. A criminal investigation is now under way into the deaths which have both been classified as homicides.

'Blunt force injuries' cited in murder ruling

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 7, 2003
The Guardian

Two prisoners who died while being held for interrogation at the US military base in Afghanistan had apparently been beaten, according to a military pathologist's report. A criminal investigation is now under way into the deaths which have both been classified as homicides.

The deaths have led to calls for an inquiry into what interrogation techniques are being used at the base where it is believed the al-Qaida leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is now also being held. Former prisoners at the base claim that detainees are chained to the ceiling, shackled so tightly that the blood flow stops, kept naked and hooded and kicked to keep them awake for days on end.

The two men, both Afghans, died last December at the US forces base in Bagram, north of Kabul, where prisoners have been held for questioning. The autopsies found they had suffered "blunt force injuries" and classified both deaths as homicides.

A spokesman for the Pentagon said yesterday it was not possible to discuss the details of the case because of the proceeding investigation. If the investigation finds that the prisoners had been unlawfully killed during interrogation, it could lead to both civil and military prosecutions. He added that it was not clear whether only US personnel had had access to the men.

One of the dead prisoners, known only as Dilawar, died as a result of "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease", according to the death certificate signed by Major Elizabeth Rouse, a pathologist with the Washington-based Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which operates under the auspices of the defence department. The dead man was aged 22 and was a farmer and part-time taxi-driver. He was said to have had an advanced heart condition and blocked arteries.

Chris Kelly, a spokesman for the institute, said yesterday that their pathologists were involved in all cases on military bases where there were unusual or suspicious deaths. He was not aware of any other homicides of prisoners held since September 11. He said that the definition of homicide was "death resulting from the intentional or grossly reckless behaviour of another person or persons" but could also encompass "self-defence or justifiable killings".

The death certificates for the men have four boxes on them giving choices of "natural, accident, suicide, homicide". The Pentagon said yesterday that the choice of "homicide" did not necessarily mean that the dead person had been unlawfully killed. There was no box which would indicate that a pathologist was uncertain how a person had died.

It is believed that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, described as the number three in al-Qaida, is being interrogated at Bagram. He is said to have started providing information about the possible whereabouts of Osama bin Laden whom he is said to have met in Pakistan last month. Most al-Qaida suspects are being held outside the US which means that they are not entitled to access to the US judicial system.


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/174902_fisk26.html

]Wednesday, May 26, 2004

Follow torture trail at Abu Ghraib

By ROBERT FISK
BRITISH COLUMNIST

I can't wait to see Abu Ghraib prison reduced to rubble by the Americans -- at the request of the new Iraqi government, of course. It will be turned to dust in order to destroy a symbol of Saddam Hussein's brutality. That's what President Bush tells us. So the rewriting of history still goes on.

Last August, I was invited to Abu Ghraib -- by my favorite U.S. Gen. Janis Karpinski, no less -- to see the million-dollar U.S. refurbishment of this vile place. Squeaky clean cells and toothpaste tubes and fresh pairs of pants for the "terrorist" inmates. But now, suddenly, the whole kit and caboodle is no longer an American torture center. It's still an Iraqi torture center and thus worthy of demolition.

The rewriting of Iraqi history is now going on at supersonic speed.

Weapons of mass destruction? Forget it. Links between Saddam and al-Qaida? Forget it. Liberating the Iraqis from Saddam's Abu Ghraib life of torture? Forget it. Wedding party slaughtered? Forget it. Clear the decks for both "full (sic) sovereignty" and "chaotic events." This is, at any rate, according to Bush. When I heard his hesitant pronunciation of Abu Ghraib as "Abu Grub" on Monday night, I could only profoundly agree.

But we're in danger again of missing the detail. Just as the unsupervised armed mercenaries being killed in Iraq are being described by the occupation authorities as "contractors" or, more mendaciously, "civilians" -- so the responsibility for the porno interrogations at Abu Ghraib is being allowed to slide into the summer mists over the Tigris River.

So let's go back, for a moment, to the long weeks in which the Department of Bad Apples allowed its jerks to put leashes around Iraqi necks, forced prisoners to have sex with each other and raped some Iraqi lasses in the jail.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/22/iraq.abuse/

Pentagon details prison deaths
Four cases 'justified homicide'

Saturday, May 22, 2004 Posted: 4:39 AM EDT (0839 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon has revealed that 37 people have died in detention in Iraq and Afghanistan, with one official saying at least some deaths "may be suspicious."

Four cases have been listed as "justified homicide" involving eight deaths of inmates trying to escape.

Of those deaths, seven took place at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison where U.S. soldiers have been accused of abusing inmates.

Death certificates released by the Pentagon indicate one Iraqi detainee died from "strangulation" and two Iraqi detainees died because of "asphyxia."

The certificate also noted "blunt force trauma" as contributing to one of those deaths. One Iraqi detainee was listed as having died from "closed head injury."

Fifteen other cases were declared to be death by natural or undetermined causes, according to Pentagon officials.

The deaths occurred between August 2002 and the present, according to Pentagon officials.

Details of the fatalities were revealed as the Pentagon announced eight new investigations into detainee deaths, bringing the total number of investigations to 33, officials said on Friday.

Thirty of the cases were said to have taken place inside U.S. detention facilities.

Nine other investigations are still pending, Pentagon officials said.

U.S. Army Major General George Fay conducted the key investigation into interrogation procedures. CNN has learned that, as a result of that investigation, a civilian contractor has been referred to the Justice Department for possible criminal prosecution.

The details of the death certificates that are part of the investigation are as follows:

IRAQ

Dilar Dababa died on June 13, 2003 in Iraq as a result of a closed head injury with a cortical brain contusion and subdural hemotoma. Death is listed as a homicide.

Maj. Gen. Abid Mowhosh died on Nov. 26, 2003 at Al Qaim, from asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression. Death is listed as a homicide.

Naem Sadoon Hatab died on June 6, 2003 in Nasiriyah from strangulation. He was found unresponsive outside his isolation quarters at the Whitehorse Detainment Facility. Death is listed as a homicide.

An unnamed 47-year-old detainee died on Jan. 9, 2004 in al-Asad from blunt force injuries and asphyxia. Death is listed as a homicide.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:42 PM
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12. K&R for the truth.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:02 PM
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14. American techniques or Israeli techniques, I beg to differ between them
The neocon mob took over, our foreign policy was hijacked, Kerry stated this and everybody knows.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:06 PM
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16. The world courts need to start trying these war criminals if tjhe US government will not.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:52 PM
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24. The world courts are in the neocons' 'pockets', Or...
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 11:57 PM by Amonester
they are 'afraid' of the 'dark actors' who can murder them, while making their deaths look like suicides...

I post that because I just can't understand why none of them have even opened investigations after all these years and this would be the only valid reason.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 02:03 AM
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30. The power of the veto...
Edited on Fri Feb-13-09 02:05 AM by Baby Snooks
The United States is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court and so only the Security Council can refer a matter involving the United States to the court for investigation and prosecution. And of course that will not happen. More than likely Great Britain would veto it. To protect the United States. And to protect itself. The United Nations at this point really no longer is what it intended to be. It has become merely a cover for colonialism on the part of the United States and Great Britain. Who simply will not allow the other to be held accountable. We are the enabler of the other. And the defense of the other. In what really is indefensible.

Each time there is another revelation our enemies just become emboldened by it. And become more intent on destroying us.

I will not vote for Barack Obama in 2010. I wish I had not voted for him in 2008. We will be treated to congressional hearings and congressional investigations. But in the end, we will be told the we need to move on. Perhaps it would be better if we just moved on now.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:40 AM
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39. They lack legal standing
because the US is not party to the International Courts. We are not part of it, refused for just this reason. I guess they could 'investigate' with out power to call a witness or subpeona a document, but how far could they get?
They have not because they can not. They do not have jurisdiction. That could be changed, but at this time, they do not. It is the same as asking why Jon Stewart has not acted against them. He has no power to do so. Same for the Hauge.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 07:11 PM
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45. There is a provision allowing the Security Council to refer matters...
There is a provision allowing the Security Council to refer matters on its own against any member nation.

The problem with the provision is it assumes members of the Security Council will not veto a matter that involves that member nation. Which of course it would it another member nation did not.

If I recall correctly, there is a provision somewhere that allows the General Assembly to "override" a veto. If there is such a provision, it has never been used to my knowledge.

The United Nations was a wonderful idea in the beginning - the problem is no one thought about the United States or Great Britain or Russia becoming an aggressor nation although of course Russia is and always has been an aggressor nation. Russia of course probably used its veto early on particularly during the Cold War.

As for our holding anyone accountable ourselves, there really is no basis for indictment of the real "axis of evil" that occupied Washington for eight years and still does in some respects. Part of it has remained and is seated at Obama Obamas's table. And has always been seated at Nancy Pelosi's. They are going to protect themselves.

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ColonelTom Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:24 PM
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17. So, is Dr. Cambone this generation's Dr. Mengele?
Discuss amongst yourselves....
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:37 PM
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18. Mission Statement of the Dept. of Justice
http://www.usdoj.gov/02organizations/

To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.


E-mails to the Department of Justice, including the Attorney General, may be sent to AskDOJ@usdoj.gov.

RESPONSES TO E-MAIL:

Thank you for visiting the Department's "Contact Us" page. On behalf of the Attorney General, the Department of Justice would like to thank you for your many e-mail messages on law enforcement issues and activities and other matters of special interest to many groups across the nation. The Attorney General appreciates the fact that so many citizens have taken the time to express their views and thoughts on these important matters. In some instances, however, the volume of e-mail traffic on a particular issue is such that we cannot respond to each message individually. We would like you to know, however, that all incoming messages are forwarded to the appropriate organization within the Department of Justice and you can be assured that your voices and views are being heard.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 02:35 AM
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32. And there is a tooth fairy, even if you never see one.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:53 PM
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19. Worst thing: I think if the Bushacrats were tried, Repubs would boycott the Congress.

Which is why the Dems must continue to beat them and weaken their power.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:21 PM
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21. Um, Republicans boycotting Congress would be a GOOD thing.
I say go for it.
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orfannkyl Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:58 PM
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20. torture?
were they subjected to christina aguilera?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:14 PM
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22. It sickens me to think that the anonymous rank and file torturers
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 11:23 PM by chill_wind
(and I can't even believe that's what the language has equated to under the regime) will not pay for what they've done under incoming Panetta's inclinations. Panetta was just confirmed voice vote.

It is not enough justice for me to see just narrowly meted and limited punishment to a high-placed few.

These are War Crimes, Leon Panetta. There is not enough hot hell justice on the face of the earth.



"During his confirmation hearings, Panetta said it was time for the agency to move ahead and not to dwell on the harsh treatment of foreign detainees in the previous administration. He won't seek prosecutions of people who participated in such interrogations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29170111/



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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:17 PM
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23. May Donald Rumsfeld et al. rot in hell for what he did in our names. nt
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:15 AM
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25. They were tortured to spread terror and for revenge not for information
Edited on Fri Feb-13-09 12:15 AM by bjobotts
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Paulaguyon Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:39 AM
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26. Why is this not top story in all the newspapers and TV Channels?
Why the silence?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:54 AM
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27. You must think we have a free press still.
It's been gone for years now.
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:55 AM
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28. America is one of the worst Nations to ever exist.
Will we turn it around? Only time will tell. Step #1? Crush the GOP into dust.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 02:38 AM
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33. We are not the worst by far. And yes, we always turn things around. We may
take far longer than we should, but we get there. President Obama is a good indication of that.
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Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 01:12 AM
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29. In the name of all things holy.
We simply HAVE to see Bush and Cheney pay for their crimes. Sign any and all petitions, call folks, talk to friends and neighbors, whatever. They have to PAY FOR THIS.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 02:40 AM
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34. I hear the info you get after the prisoner dies is not always reliable.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:24 AM
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35. kr
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 05:59 AM
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36. Sad but not a peep from the religious leaders in this country.
Odd isn't it.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:44 PM
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43. Not really.
They are Christians is name only. And they HATE Muslims.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 05:01 PM
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44. "They are Christians is name only" -- If that's how Christians act, then that's what Christians are.
"By their fruits..."
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 07:18 AM
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37. That's one of the many problems with using government sponsored torture
The Torturers frequently get carried away. They devise sicker and more bizarre techniques and frequently kill their victims. Something the bush and dick probably enjoyed.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:20 AM
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38. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave
And I will say it again: Either we bring these gangsters to justice, in courts, with due process, rules of evidence, and internationally recognized court procedures, or someone else will. And that someone else might not be so picky about making sure that only the guilty pay for these monstrous crimes.

But if you don't mind seeing innocents dying for Bush administration crimes, then by all means, don't pester your congress critters for investigations and trials. Just remember that you or a loved one could be one of those who pay the ultimate price so that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney can enjoy their golden years in comfort and quiet.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:05 AM
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40. We want justice.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 01:43 PM
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42. I for one am glad this has been exposed
I just can't stand to read the details. I had a gut feeling all along that this was happening. That's why Limbaugh's hilarity over the Club Gitmo gear, sickened me so much. Something with all the other neigh sayers on right-wing radio, denying the torture, Orange Chicken and rice pilaf. Fuck them.
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