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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:29 AM Original message |
Obama lawyers argue to drop Yoo torture suit |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. O.K., What The FUCK Is Going On Here? |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. " O.K., What The FUCK Is Going On Here?" |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
72. well obama must be doing it for VALID REASONS..RIGHT??..pick your choice |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
139. Obama is looking to be re-elected. Simple as that. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Yup, And Boy Am I Holding My Tongue Here! |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. I hear ya! |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
186. m. keeping his 'powder dry' n/t |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
88. I read somewhere that the lawyers arguing these cases are BushCo holdovers |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. how have they failed so far?????? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
169. Oh, I forgot, this is DU so it's okay to act like an asshole. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Hmm , i type with one hand |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. flyarm when was that accident? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. it was a college kid driving ..speeding ..and out of control. |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Oh that's really a shame, thanks for explaining. |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #170 |
173. You type quite well with just one hand, freeper-style attacks and punctuation all. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. gee i don't know you here..and you obviously don't know me.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #169 |
197. Um, D of J attorneys are political appointees, not protected by civil service. Reagan |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. I'm sure someone will come up with a convincing sounding excuse. nt |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Give me a "P".... Give me a "U"....... Give me an "S"...... Give me another "S"..... |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Isn't it pretty damn clear what's going on here? Apologists for torture will spin it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
85. Deleted message |
lsewpershad (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Yes he did |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
127. Politics as usual? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
199. Yes. And apperently the Administration's position is that Yoo did not violate the law |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
204. What's going on? |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. Goddamn |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Yep. But only bc they're getting a lot of help. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. "We're not saying we condone torture," Well yeah, actually, |
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liberalsince1968 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
43. Yep. In supporting Yoo, they are supporting torture. No way around it. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
70. actually, it would be one thing to say it doesn't belong in the courts.... |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
101. Exactly, Lynn. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Is this Obama's justice dept. or leftover Bush dept.? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Holder was confirmed a 34 days ago..... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Good points, but DOJ is still being run by Holder |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. It may not be as easy as we think! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
124. Are there only two choices, praise for the President or hysterics? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
180. "Not into knee jerk" |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
95. "There is a saying that victory has a hundred fathers.. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #95 |
203. the "dark actors" of the BFEE R very powerful ... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
200. You do not need to get new people in. You get reports on what cases are pending and what is due |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Yes, this is my question, too. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. Mary Mason is a Bushie. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, but Mary Mason answers to Eric Holder. It's a department., not 50 lawyers doing whatever |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
68. so maybe her head rolls |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
198. Doubt it. Point of being part of a department is that you DO report to |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. So, the people who tortured cannot be held liable if they had a lawyer's opinion saying |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. The one saving grace we had in the Bush years was good judges, folks. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
195. No one said that the good judges were Bush appointees. |
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AyanEva (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. . |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. The law is delicate and complex. Yoo analyzed the law |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
48. But the DOJ is not merely claiming that Yoo's actions |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. i think that's the jist of it. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
165. Intellectually honest lawyers, especially associates, have to be ready to pay the price |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
196. Yoo gave the legal opinions his bosses wanted. I'm not sure that was his job. |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
63. CYA |
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AyanEva (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
130. Mmmm |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #63 |
201. And that sucks. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. Fuck that shit!! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Aren't you happy about this? I would be surprised if you weren't.... |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
208. Still back Obama but a disturbing disappointment in his move... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
12. What on EARTH???? WHY?? nt |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. Want an answer to this? Let's all of us, ASK at whitehouse.gov.... |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. His BOSSES should be behind bars, imo. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. YES! From your mouth to God's ears - maybe they'll end up there |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
202. Excellent suggestion. D of J has a website with a "contact us" page, too. It is |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. This does not make me happy. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
20. The fairest thing would be... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
22. Change isn't keeping 51 Bush AG's . . . !!!! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You can't say that enough |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
83. AMEN! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
191. Whoa, Nail Hits Head |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
25. Doesn't it appear that Obama wants no part of opening any can of worms against Bushco regardless |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Seems very simple to me. Obama is now the head of a fundamentally flawed power structure in this |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
57. I Agree With You About Obama "Not Wanting To Open Any Can Of Worms" AND I For One |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
98. Rahmbo |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
27. Yoo has to go down. |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
28. Argh! K and R |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
29. If this a matter for the Executive to decide, I want to see him decide it immediately. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I am new so please dont kill me for saying this... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Welcome to DU, SkyDaddy7 |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Please see my post at #16 |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
32. Why is Yoo still employed by Boalt? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Actually, I think he's somewhere else right now. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Good to hear |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Yoo is on 'leave' from Boalt Hall. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
103. My husband graduated from Chapman Law School. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
123. I think it's a bit of overkill to claim that... |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
143. Yoo was behind Sandra Day O'Connor's decision. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #143 |
160. I doubt if she regretted it. She is a puke just like the rest of them. n/t |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
126. I posted about it the other day. He's still technically at Berkeley, but he's got some |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
132. The article says he's on leave to teach at Chapman University. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
34. Damn |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Once one Bushite is held accountable, it should start a flood of |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
60. The Problem I See Here Is... Will There BE Any Bushite Held Accountable |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. not if obama can help it. nt |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
150. I think Obama knows Leahy, Conyers, and |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
149. That is what I visualize, |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
159. I Remember Watergate Too, That's Why I Feel Strongly That Accountability Is Essential! |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #159 |
164. Well, Leahy and Conyers |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #164 |
178. I Know This Is A Late Reply... BUT I Had To Do It! I DO Agree That Leahy & Conyers |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. I was thinking about that a lot lately, |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #181 |
189. Sorry... Late Again! My Daughter Wanted To Know How To Tweet!!! |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. There are so many of us (boomers) |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #190 |
206. Yeah, I DO Remember The Current Events Mag... Hadn't Thought About It In A Long |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. As for the younger generation, |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
38. Yoo's consistency of advice for torture |
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coloboyz (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
40. Don't overreact....... |
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liberalsince1968 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Can you cite any FACTS stating that Obama's DOJ is obligated to defend a Bush appointee who |
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coloboyz (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. From the DOJ |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Thanks for posting. When I first read this I thought maybe the DOJ |
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byeya (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. it's The DOJs job to defend agencies and agency workers but |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
78. you're correct, and it does seem like a conflict of interest, but... |
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liberalsince1968 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
121. Thanks. The DOJ goes after CROOKS. Yoo is a war criminal. Therefore for Obama's DOJ to be |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #121 |
155. Except It Was BUSH'S DOJ That Made The Decision To Defend Him |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. The DOJ should be the one charging him. |
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byeya (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
67. I agree. The DOJ should be prosecuting him because the DOJ |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. exactly. nt |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
153. Except Is Wasn't Obama's DOJ That Made The Decision |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
152. Except This Case Has Been ONGOING SINCE 2005 |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #152 |
179. How does that stop the DOJ from charging him? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. Yes They Do Have To |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Legal Barbarism |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. Wrong, Obama is not Bush and Holder is not Gonzo |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #187 |
193. What Yoo has done is no different then |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Charging/Prosecuting Yoo Is A Separate Issue |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
44. Seeing the names Obama and Yoo in the same headline, on the same side, is not good. |
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Zero T (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
45. Courts should not interfere in executive decision-making????? |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
46. Change. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
52. My.My.My. |
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jimshoes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
53. WTF |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
54. really bad news.. |
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Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
58. Change we can believe in!! |
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Ed76638 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
59. The CURRENT administration has done worse. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
80. NOTHING is more serious than the process by which we hold govt accountable nt |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
97. Tyranny Schmeranny |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #97 |
154. obama fears bush/cheney? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #59 |
89. oh my ED76638..you are going to make heads explode here!! |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
62. Appeasement,apparently |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
64. Keep the faith! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Not Convincing Enough |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. YEAH YEAH YEAH..THAT CONSTITUTION AND OUR LAWS ARE TRICKY WATERS.. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. there's more:Panetta: No one to be punished for interrogations |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
99. If Obama went after the architects and not the men following orders |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. look many in the CIA quit ..because they would not break the law.. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I'm well aware of that, but what Panetta is stating to the CIA seems to |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Low level drug users are held accountable for breaking laws.. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. As I said, I'm not happy with what Panetta stated, right now, I am focused |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. I agree with much of what you say ..but ..that is a big but.. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. please do read Glen Greenwald today.. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. I don't disagree at all, I carry the same frustrations as you on this matter. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. I would not want to be raising a kid today..with this kind of precedence |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. flyarm, my condolences on the loss of your co-workers. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. i just posted this on another web site..must read!! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
185. "Just following orders" wasn't a viable excuse at Nuremberg. |
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tink-r (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
66. Everyone deserves a defense |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
102. Everyone deserves a defense, that is not in question, but Obama is saying that a court |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
69. Fuck that! |
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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
74. why is anyone surprised by this???? (eom) |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. NOT ME,..not one bit..not one iota..eom |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
81. stated that Obama admin wants this decided by Congress, not the executive |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
113. Yeah but it should be decided by the courts. Not the congress or the executive branch. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
82. This had better not stand...!!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
86. Deleted message |
goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
87. CHENEY still rules in WASHINGTON!!!! |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
91. WTF? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
114. So do I. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
167. Why? Do you think she would have done differently? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
93. oh bloody hell |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
94. When I read that, it felt like someone had just punched me in the gut. |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Gut punch |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
100. Ummm ... this law school graduate may be confused, but ... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. exactly! nt |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
104. oh but this is only one part of the coverups going on.. |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
105. 1) The suit against Yoo is just one amongst several |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. dupe |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Are you in denial about Obama admin covering for Bush crimes? |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. And the judge in question would consider that limited immunity and could still |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. He SHOULD take the heat, he helped light the fire. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
107. Unacceptable... get rid of these Lawyers... they have been compromised |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
115. Whoa up, there. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Naw, no reflection whatsoever...he's only their boss. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. The argument was made BEFORE he came to office - |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
122. If Yoo walks, then I've given up on the US |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. we are under tyranny |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
133. A Constitutional lawyer that became president |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
134. Hmm. This looks suspicious. President Obama better have a good explanation. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
136. Excuse me; this is Obama policy, not the policy of some leftover Bushite. |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
137. The Justice Department is Obligated to Argue the Case... |
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Jeep789 (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
148. Then maybe they should have tried an insanity defense nt |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
141. I Guess I'm Screwed |
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freemarketer6 (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
142. Are some of you folks starting to see the light? Pick up a pen |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
145. They Picked a Bad Week to Stop Sniffing Glue |
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Titonwan (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
146. This is NOT CHANGE. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
147. I'm willing.. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
151. OBAMA CANNOT INSERT HIMSELF INTO AN ONGOING CASE |
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spamlet2002 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #151 |
166. hate to break this to you, but he already DID |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #166 |
172. That doesn't address my points |
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spamlet2002 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
156. can't wait for greenwald's take on this... |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
158. On the brighter side, it sounds like the judge thinks it is bull-*#@T |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. I mean come on, read this sentence again- |
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spamlet2002 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. like i said, |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #162 |
188. chilling |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-07-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
161. You all may not think so, but to me this is the type of thing that wil prevent our economy |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #161 |
183. Interesting, like karma heh? |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-09-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #183 |
192. That's what I believe, Generator. It feeds into the notion that the most heinous |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
168. Makes sense given they all work for the same shadow interests |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-08-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
177. We're not, and we have never BEEN "in wartime". |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
205. equity only if authorized by fiat -- these are REAL lawyers arguing this!?! |
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