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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:35 PM
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U.S. credit card defaults rise to 20 year-high
Source: Reuters

NEW YORK, March 16 (Reuters) - U.S. credit card defaults rose in February to their highest level in at least 20 years, with losses particularly severe at American Express Co (AXP.N) and Citigroup (C.N) amid a deepening recession .

AmEx, the largest U.S. charge card operator by sales volume, said its net charge-off rate -- debts companies believe they will never be able to collect -- rose to 8.70 percent in February from 8.30 percent in January.

The credit card company's shares wiped out early gains and ended down 3.3 percent as loan losses exceeded expectations. Moshe Orenbuch, an analyst at Credit Suisse, said American Express credit card losses were 10 basis points larger than forecast.

In addition, Citigroup Inc (C.N) -- one of the largest issuers of MasterCard cards -- disappointed analysts as its default rate soared to 9.33 percent in February, from 6.95 percent a month earlier, according to a report based on trusts representing a portion of securitized credit card debt.

"There is a continued deterioration. Trends in credit cards will get worse before they start getting better," said Walter Todd, a portfolio manager at Greenwood Capital Associates.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1639142420090316?sp=true
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:38 PM
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1. And these CC companies had the gall
to cancel credit cards on people who pay off their debt every month.

The called those people deadbeats.

I hope the credit card companies suffer.

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:17 PM
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14. As you can see, it bit them in the ass
When you cancel perfectly good customers, or change terms in such a way that you piss them off to the point where they cancel on their own, what are you left with? The people who cannot escape them, because they're in big debt with lousy credit.

That itself would drive the rate of non-collectable accounts up, even if people weren't having increasing problems paying off debt because of job losses and hours being cut back.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:39 PM
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2. But does it occur to them that if they lower the payments and the interest
they might actually get more people to pay?

Nope.

They just raise the interest and payment minimums on the people who can still pay. Go figure. Some business practice.

They should learn from retail. When you're losing customers the way you stay in business is to put the merchandise on sale. This works.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:42 PM
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3. They should just raise interest rates to 80% and close shop
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:43 PM
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4. Legally reduce the ursurious interest rates they are allowed to charge
Goddamn vultures
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:45 PM
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6. I made a contract with them, and I have fulfilled my end of that contract
and then they change the terms, and tell me to eat sh*t if I don't like it.

What the hell is going on?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:44 PM
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5. CC companies are the biggest threat to America, and have the gall to
borrow money from the government at 0%, and then raise interest rates or cancel accounts altogether.

I don't see any nice 0% bridge loans for consumers. I know I could use a place to consolidate debt at a reasonable interest rate.

Why the hell isn't something like this being made available to taxpayers?

:wtf:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 09:47 AM
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22. Not quite...
Current Interest Rates

Primary Credit
0.50%

Secondary Credit
1.00%

Seasonal Credit
0.70%

http://www.frbdiscountwindow.org/

Also, if you hit this source, you have to put up collateral. And you have to be a bank which comes with its own set of hurdles to get access to borrowing.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:47 PM
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7. Raising the FN interest rates to crazy levels surely didn't help consumers,....
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 05:52 PM by pinniped
but it sure helped those CC industry assholes.

F them, and I hope some of these assholes go out of business. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen, since some people likes to keep printing money to help these lame fucks.

These assholes are jacking people now before rule changes take effect next year.
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meeloo Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:51 PM
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8. That will be next big wave of bad news
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AlexWierbinski Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:18 PM
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15. The Next Big Wave of Bad News will Come from China...
A US Austerity Program is On the Way

The recent military aggressions by China, along with yesterday's comments by Chinese Priemer Wen, should put recent financial events and the international banking/credit meltdown into a crystal clear context. We, the United States, have been floating a massive trade deficit and treasury debt with China that has provided significant profits for our Corporate Class while evicerating our actual economy.

As our corporations reaped historic profits, and pushed their global empire full-speed ahead, China took their share of the loot , stregthened their police state, and built an industrial/military complex capable of expanding its military reach across the globe. Right now they are using the stolen wealth of our middle-class to build fleets and armies. The end result of this betrayal sits before our eyes: our economy has been gutted, our middle-class robbed blind, our social institutions have been looted, and our working folk have been pushed face-first into 3rd World poverty. But don't just blame China, they had inside help.


The draining of our manufacturing economy and the downward pressure China's trade and illegal Mexicans have put on domestic wages have been the tools our corporations and their Corporate Politicians used to drain the American Middle-Class of their earning and political power.

The massive expansion in population, consumption, and profits we experienced during the last 15 years (35 years. really) was built on a house of credit cards, and is now falling into a pit of debt of almost unimaginable porportions. This scam has made our country completely incapable of generating the purchasing power to support the basic level of consumpton and employment required to feed, clothe, medicate, or educate the massive population our corporate government stuffed into our country without massive infusions of outside credit. Unless our middle-class can go into endless debt on decreasing wages to support the endless growth of corporate profits, we're screwed. Well, now we've seen the end of this scam. And China is going to screw us.

We are at the point that we do not need Chinese Credit to continue this scam, we need China to loan us our money back so we can just survive. If you have been watching China, you have a pretty good idea of how they are going to handle this amazing advantage that our traitor politicians, of BOTH corporate parties granted them.

First, China is going to spend whatever sum is required to avoid internal meltdown, and rebellion, if that is possible. Domestic stability is their #1 priority. This may be a real challenge. The massive downturn has shuttered the industrial Southwest in China, and millions of unemployed are loitering about, and they are not very impressed with their government's political or economic policies. This is indicative of China's interrelated domestic corruption and credibility problems. The corruption in China is justifiably legendary, and I dare anyone to match any capitalist or commie theory with the Chinese "commie" total police state. The Chinese govenment is as much of an insult to their Constitution as our government is to ours. China is going to experience significant economic and domestic instability in their immediate future.

Second, China is going to trade US debt purchases for solid international diplomatic, military, and economic concessions from the US. Billery licking their Police State Balls on her recent trip to China effectively removed human rights as an issue between China and the US. As their major allies are Burma and N. Korea, that should surprize no one. This is appropriate, as we are running so many dictatorships, international war crimes and crimes against humanity that they are too numerous to list here. China is simply a Totalatarian Police State, with all the abuses that entails. Neither China nor the US have a leg to hop on, when it comes to protecting human rights. We can expect any debt purchases to reinforce China's regional and global influence, and remove American obstacles to their economic and military expansion.

Third, China is going to make the US suffer, and enjoy it. I expect China to invest just enough in our debt to attempt to keep US Treasuries from imploding, to protect their already massive holdings, but not enough to keep interest rates low and the dollar strong. Make no mistake about it, China will not invest a large enough sum to prevent bond prices from dropping, and their interest rates from rising significantly.
But when the international debt market looks likely to implode, China will step in with purchases to protect the value of their existing US holdings. Their investment goal will be to end US dominance of international finance and trade. That should not be hard to do, as indicated by the massive amount of bad debt that we sold into the world banking system, and the constantly expanding massive US debt requried to feed our consumption of the world's trade resources. The system is massively imbalanced, and China is going to try to use our debt problem to improve their global financial and trade influence.

This means a lot more than just the inflation I predicted for June '09. What this means is that China is going to play a game of "Chicken" with the global debt markets. China will attempt to damage our credit and currency supremecy without destroying the international credit system and completely tanking the value of their US holdings. In either outcome, our debt will not be fully funded without significant price drops in the cost of purchasing US debt, and a significant increase in the interest the US will be required to pay US creditors.

It may be that China will be in position to lead a movement to impose an austerity program on the US that will force us to pay back more than we borrow, i.e. actually pay down our massive debts. This means extreme increases in taxes. food, and energy prices in the US as the dropping productivity of the US is finally factored into global valuations. This means a long period of high inflation, high energy and food prices, high taxes along with low economic activity, low consumption, and significantly reduced spending on education, medicine, and infrastructure.

The bottom line is that our bribed politicians betrayed our country when they allowed our Corporations, with China's willing help, to loot our country's economy. This is a direct consequence of allowing our Corporations to purchase our politicians. We let our democratic restraints on wealth and power slip away, and now we've got hell to pay.

Note

I am an idiot, and have not figured out how to hyperlink this article. There is a fully hyperlinked ver of this essay @ http://nextrevolution.org/node/65
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:02 PM
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9. Expected and then some – gave 'em up years ago
they just bleed you slowly and then wait until you are weak and go in for the kill

whoever said vultures was dead-on.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:05 AM
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23. Sounds more like a Komodo Dragon. They bite you and then follow you around till you die.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:31 PM
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10. Their 26% loan shark rate now looks like their chosen suicide method.
nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:34 PM
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11. When they passed the perpetual debt law, they did not plan for 10% unemployment.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:53 PM
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12. +5
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:08 PM
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13. not good news............
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:35 PM
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16. Flynk splat ti ti ti slop.
That's the sound of more shit hitting the fan.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:16 PM
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17. Next: Credit card business asks for bailout...?!!!
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:18 PM
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18. Just got my Paypal, Business Debit card and if I can use this to rent cars, I will NEVER own another
Credit Card.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:06 PM
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20. I misread your post
I thought you could use it to rent a car


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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:43 PM
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19. My new years resolution was to not pay another 39 dollar fee.
On an average of one day late I'm up to 200 dollars this year. Why is it the electric company hits you with an extra dollar for two weeks late yet these folks got to take as much as the governmetnt say they can.
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triplejeeps Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:22 AM
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21. Credit Card companies have huuuuge political cloud....
and they are undermining our democracy
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:21 AM
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24. Wow.
Who could've possibly predicted this would happen, with years of offshoring our manufacturing and technology jobs that it would mean people couldn't pay their bills. I mean, no one could have seen this coming, right? </sarcasm> :eyes:


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