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David_NSU Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:52 PM
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Oklahoma Legislature Investigates Richard Dawkins' Free Speech
Source: Huffington Post

Well, it's official: Oklahoma's state legislature is investigating the University of Oklahoma for hosting a speech by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins.

As I noted in a post over the weekend at Dawkins' website, the legislature first considered two resolutions condemning both Dawkins and the theory of evolution as "an unproven and unpopular theory." (I highly recommend reading both of the proposed resolutions.) Despite their efforts, the legislature failed to prevent Dawkins from speaking on March 6 to an audience of thousands at the University of Oklahoma.

Last week, however, I received multiple reports that the legislature was now investigating the speech, and I wrote the University of Oklahoma President David Boren directly asking to know if this was true.

Sure enough, I just received confirmation today in a letter from the Open Records Office at the University of Oklahoma. The letter confirms that on the day of Dawkins' speech, Oklahoma State Representative Rebecca Hamilton requested substantial information relating to the speech from Vice President for Governmental Relations Danny Hilliard. Representative Hamilton's exhaustive request included demands for all e-mails and correspondence relating to the speech; a list of all money paid to Dawkins and the entities, public or private, responsible for this funding; and the total cost to the university, including, among other things, security fees, advertising, and even "faculty time spent promoting this event."

Rick Farmer, the director of committee staff for the Oklahoma House of Representatives, also wrote the University on March 12, requesting confirmation that Dawkins had indeed waived all compensation for the speech.

Now some of you--though I hope not too many--may wonder: "What's wrong with the legislature investigating a speech by a famous evolutionary biologist at a public university?" Well, a lot of things, actually. As I wrote in my post on Dawkins' website:


If this investigation is indeed taking place, what the state legislature needs to understand is that in court cases dating back to the days of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, even investigating clearly protected speech on the basis of its viewpoint violates the First Amendment.

Think about it: If every time a student or faculty member invited, say, Rick Warren to speak on campus, they knew they would be subjected to a thorough and time-consuming investigation by state officials, you can all but guarantee that schools across the country would think twice before inviting Rick Warren. This would be a great way for state legislatures to chill speech they dislike without ever having to find the speaker guilty of a single thing. Talk about your un-American activities.

Given the fact the legislature clearly is concerned with nothing other than Dawkins' viewpoint, such an investigation is improper and should end immediately.

Now that we know this investigation is going on, many questions still need to be answered: What does the state legislature plan to do with this information? Does this mean that any time Richard Dawkins or other evolutionary scientists give speeches about evolution in Oklahoma, they too will be investigated? And perhaps most importantly: Doesn't the Oklahoma legislature have anything better to do?

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/oklahoma-legislature-inve_b_177473.html



This is crazy! You should all read the Resolution at http://www.atheists.org/upload/dawkinslaw.pdf Words cannot even express. "Richard Dawkins is a highly successful author, scientist, and distinguished Oxford professor. Regardless of how unpopular his views are amongst "the majority of the citizens of Oklahoma," Dawkins is clearly a figure of substantial academic merit whose ideas should be welcomed" - D. Leddone

As per the actions of the state of Oklahoma - we need democrats now more than ever. There is a great opportunity to motivate a beaten down party and elect a democratic majority once again. If you get the chance to hop on a campaign there please do so.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 PM
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1. an OK dem would probably be considered right wing repub in California :-) nt
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David_NSU Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:04 PM
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2. Haha thats prob true. So Obama didn't win any counties in Oklahoma and we all love our guns
but there is def potential there. We need more from the party :)
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:03 PM
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12. YOUR EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS FAILED
:dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:21 PM
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5. bullshit
That's about all I can say right now
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:02 PM
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11. Sometimes. That's getting to be less and less the case now.
There are fewer and fewer conservative Democrats in Oklahoma now.

The downside is, fewer and fewer of them are getting elected when up against conservative Repugs. :banghead:
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:08 PM
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3. I love everyone from Tulsa
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 09:34 PM by tomm2thumbs

Even Republicans from Tulsa
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:28 PM
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6. I think people here should probably vent against the stupid
legislature and leave out the steroetypes. I happen to be a long time ballet and dance teacher here in Tulsa. There are even some, gasp, Republicans who take from me, however it's not discussed at all.

When I read threads like this, it really disgusts me. DU is just a mirror image of freerepublic.

"Liberals love the masses and hate the individual, conservatives love the individual and hate the masses"... how true.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:06 PM
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14. You know how it is here ...

Everyone needs a whipping boy, and Okies/Southerners tend to be it around here.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:22 PM
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16. Oklahoma ballet?
Didn't they used to call that square dancing?

:rofl: :rofl: :spank: :hide:

Don't shoot! Just joking.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:28 AM
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20. LOL - joking or not, perhaps I should give you a history lesson
about ballet in Oklahoma. Five Indian ballerinas etc.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:34 PM
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17. I read a really intellectual reply to the Legislature from the university
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 10:40 PM by yellerpup
on this topic last week. If I can find a link I'll post it so that others can see how unfair it is to paint all Oklahomans with the same brush.


On edit:
Sorry, couldn't find it, but it came from the Oklahoma Progressive Alliance.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:20 PM
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4. Reminds me of
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:42 AM
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21. they were WAY too leftist for Oklahoma....
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:30 PM
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7. Investigate a speech? For what?

I guess they're probably trying to make a stink about the University paying Dawkins with "state money." Which means they're probably going to cut some hapless peoples' jobs or funding to the University.

There should be an investigation into these legislators.
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:34 PM
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8. So, they're investigating the cost...?
"...The letter confirms that on the day of Dawkins' speech, Oklahoma State Representative Rebecca Hamilton requested substantial information relating to the speech from Vice President for Governmental Relations Danny Hilliard. Representative Hamilton's exhaustive request included demands for all e-mails and correspondence relating to the speech; a list of all money paid to Dawkins and the entities, public or private, responsible for this funding; and the total cost to the university, including, among other things, security fees, advertising, and even "faculty time spent promoting this event."

Rick Farmer, the director of committee staff for the Oklahoma House of Representatives, also wrote the University on March 12, requesting confirmation that Dawkins had indeed waived all compensation for the speech."

Sooo, umm, how much is the investigation into Dawkins costing, I wonder? Who's funding it (the tax payers, I imagine)? Who ordered it? The money sword cuts both ways if they want to play it that way, they should be prepared to justify the expenditure of public funds on a nonessential investigation. Don't they know we're in a recession? :P
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:21 PM
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15. How about an
independent investigation every time Farmer does a speech at one of those rubber steak dinners for $200 a plate? Or any of his campaign stops? He wants to launch a harassing investigation against an American that has free speech rights, the same can be done to him.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:50 PM
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9. Dawkins riles up the fundies like nobody else
imagine how the legislature would have acted if he were gay!



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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:01 PM
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10. He should show slides from Midnight Cowboy ...

... just to fuck with them.

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:05 PM
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13. Well that's nice ...

It's not like Oklahoma has any other actual problems to deal with. Good to see these representatives keeping themselves busy during times of such low workload.

In a normal world where business takes place, this is the kind of crap departments come up with to try to keep themselves relevant during periods of downsizing. Using the infallible business logic that so-called conservatives love so much, this then should indicate that these particular legislators don't have enough to do and are not needed.

Idiots. I guess they don't realize they are fucking with the wrong individual. If they ramp this up too much, Dawkins himself will get involved, and then it will be Katy-bar-the-door.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:00 PM
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18. The one state in which every county voted republican in 2008!
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 04:51 AM
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19. When I saw this on Dawkins' website I presumed it was satire
I don't know why I haven't figured it out yet - US politics = funnier than satire (were it not so sad)

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:50 AM
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22. Organized religion is the greatest threat our nation faces. nt
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