'Friends' of Biden's Daughter Selling Film (she's 'snorting cocaine')

[doxieone]

Source: Huffington Post

From that link:

A friend of the daughter of Vice President Joseph Biden is attempting to hawk a videotape that he claims shows Ashley Biden snorting cocaine at a house party this month in Delaware.

An anonymous male "friend" of Biden took the video, said Thomas Dunlap, a lawyer representing the seller. Dunlap and another man claiming to be a lawyer showed The Post about 90 seconds of 43-minute tape, saying it was legally obtained and that Biden was aware she was being filmed. The Post refused to pay for the video.


Another link:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/world-exclusive-vice-president-biden’s-daughter-caught-cocaine-scandal

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/28/ashley-biden-allegedly-do_n_180392.html

[JI7]

1. Bush was doing cocaine in the White House

[Submariner]

2. Yup.....If not during his pretzeldency

he did it when he was on the bottle and his poppy was doing his thousand points of light bullshit in the WH and Camp David. The idiot fried so many brain cells he couldn't talk right....but everyone knows that already.

[baldguy]

13. And drinking

[ProgressIn2008]

40. Sorry, not following the argument - Bush did it so it's okay? Bush did it so it's not okay?

Honestly, if this is true, I couldn't care less (though anyone who thought Sarah Palin's daughter was fair game might be having, um, second thoughts right now)

except

the non-elite, those without power and money and a big talk show like Rush or a rich VP daddy, face criminal charges. Just another day in the empire.

[Believing Is Art]

46. Charges probably wouldn't stand

Can't prove it's cocaine from a video. They'd have to get a warrant to test her. Hair, most likely. Don't know if the video would be enough to get a warrant.

[paulsby]

74. still wouldn't fly

i've done hundreds of drug investigations.

just because somebody is snorting a powder does not give PC to get a "warrant for hair"

nor would it prove anything if it did.

two words: corpus delicti.

you need the ACTUAL cocaine.

also, technically speaking snorting cocaine is not illegal. possessing it is, but that's a whole other topic.

[Believing Is Art]

78. That's what I thought

She could be snorting a pixie stick for all anyone knows.

[paulsby]

79. exactly

if i (as a cop) SAW somebody snorting a white powder, that is certainly probable cause to detain them and recover the powder to test if it IS an illegal drug

that's because it's reasonable to suspect that the white powder is an illicit drug.

but certainly not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

even if the person admitted it was cocaine, that would not be enough, since it still doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt its cocaine.

now i think these people who have pictures of themself on the internet smoking bongs or doing lines are IDIOTS, but it's not going to get them prosecuted

[tomm2thumbs]

3. If this is true, can we be any less impressed by these actions?

And if it ISN'T true, can we be any less impressed this story made it to the papers.

Heads we lose, tails we lose.

[tavalon]

4. Some friend, eh?

[Optical.Catalyst]

5. These are unproven allegations intended to hurt the Vice President through guilt by association

Even if the allegations have some measure of truth to them, so what? Ashley Biden is not a member of our Administration and she has no influence on policy.

I choose to ignore trash like this gossip.

[eShirl]

6. You know what this means? Ashley could be president someday.

[Chef Eric]

7. She could be President if she were a Republican.

It's O.K. if you're a Republican.

[Blandocyte]

42. That's funny.

Thanks for the laugh on this otherwise dreary day in mid TN.

I like the pic of the cat-- lots of personality bustin' out of that picture.

[fasttense]

8. Yeah but do they have video or photos of the bush twins running naked

through South American hotels? What about those photos of the bush twins doing girls gone wild like partying?

[L. Coyote]

28. Does this mean we have Drug Lords hidden somewhere?

D'oh! Like maybe one controlling Texas and one controlling Florida.

Just once, I'd like to see the media ask, "So, who are the drug lords on this side of the border, and how have they corrupted American politics?"

PS. interesting to note who does and does not reply and how to this genre of thread.

[Callalily]

9. Interesting that the

"shooter" does not want to reveal his identity because he does not want to be prosecuted for his "role in the alleged drug use", but yet he feels compelled to sell the video.

As usual, stories like these are all about the money.

"The higher the price, the more he'll reveal," said the lawyer.

Frankly, I don't care one way or another if the story is true or not. It does not sway my opinion about VP Biden.

[NashVegas]

10. Maybe We Should Stick Michael Phelps' Sheriff On the Fellow

Wouldn't that be something?

[Mz Pip]

21. He sure got himself a lawyer

quick to hawk this trash for him. What a sleeze. I hope this makes him persona non grata in the social scene. Hopefully he'll never get invited to any parties again. He deserves to be ostracized for life.

[jb5150]

11. This is news?

Wasn't Jeb's daughter caught passing a bad script for Xanax?

[acmavm]

17. Yep. And boy, did we have a heyday here. Posted her picture. Made

every nasty crack possible, talked about what trash the family is, what bad parents she had. You know, like when pictures of the bush* girls lying on the pavement laughing and drunk were published. (Now that Jenna/Barbara thing was manna from Heaven.) We roasted those two girls and every member of that family over the coals for that one.

edit: Damn. I forgot one of our finest moments. Remember when Jenna announced here engagement to Henry Whosis? Remember the picture of her walking to the helicopter or where ever in that loose green blouse? I cannot even begin to tell you how many good DUers had her pregnant.

[iamjoy]

27. Well, I Think I Defended Her

All I remember saying about Noelle Bush is if Jeb were your father and George W were your uncle wouldn't you need anti-anxiety medicine? I think Noelle also got busted for cocaine possession.

Oh, I think I made catty remarks about her hairstyle - it all seemed kind of 1980s to me.

[LisaL]

34. I am with you. What good for the goose should be good for the

gander. Amazing how many people here all of the sudden think children of presidential or vice-presidential candidates should be off limits.
Give me a break.

[paulsby]

75. i agree

i don't give a flying fuck what drugs some kid of some political figure is doing (nor did i care about billy carter and his antics).

it's crap all around.

but yes, you are correct that there is a double standard here. i don't care WHAT the frigging bush girls were doing with their drinking and partying, nor do i care about biden's daughter, etc.

they are kids.

i am a police officer, fwiw. and i still don't give a flying fuck.

[Vinca]

12. It might be news if it was Biden himself snorting cocaine . . .

move along. Nothing to see.

[NikolaC]

19. Agreed

[sandyj999]

14. What does this have to do with anything? n/t

[biopowertoday]

23. And what did Bristol Palins problem have to do with anything?

yet DU chose to post her personal issues over and over.

[The Straight Story]

24. +1

:)

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. Yep, there is just a *wee* bit of double standard at work here

Personally I think the families should be off limits. All families

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

31. Bristol's mother used Bristol and her siblings as campaign props, that's the difference

and Palin trotted her kids onstage for her image, as if to prove she was a great mom and hockey player. She was against sex education and for abstinence only education. Palin is a hypocrite and it's unfortuante for her children that their mother decided to use them to further her political ambitions. Sarah Palin made her kids fair game by shoving them into the spotlight.

[biopowertoday]

32. just continue to allow you wee mind to make up stuff and you

will make the Dems look so smart!


note--sarcasm icon.

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

62. are you trying to be obnoxious or does it come naturally?

[paulsby]

76. that's false

palin was NOT against sex education. i can provide quotes if you like.

but she DID trot her kids onstage.

but every frigging politician trots their kids cause it's what they have to do , to show they are "family" people.

whatEVER.

i don't care if biden's daughter is snorting crystal meth and hooking herself. it's not biden. it's his DAUGHTER.

[sandyj999]

50. Don't include all of us. I didn't care about that at all. Something must be wrong with me. n/t

[biopowertoday]

53. sorry, I never meant to include all.

[sandyj999]

60. I Know. : ) n/t

[Dr. Strange]

61. Pot. Kettle.

:thumbsup:

[INdemo]

15. Never mind CNN or Faux...you heard it first here on DU

I have never understood why smut like this is repeated by Democrats so as to keep it in the spotlight.So the Huffington Post has nothing else better to report so they lock on to this subject.

[Honeycombe8]

16. I don't believe it.

I'd have to have that proven to me before I'd believe it (assuming it'd even be worthy of news).

Review what the tape is: Ashley Biden, no adolescent, KNOWS she is being filmed, and knowingly snorts cocaine? It's ludicrous on the face of it.

Nope. I don't think any child of Biden's is that stupid. Question is...why do YOU think so with no proof?

[Timefortruth]

39. Still waiting for the whitey tape

If this is true the girl has problems other than drug abuse.

[NikolaC]

18. Regardles of whether or not the allegations are true,

it is no one's business but the Bidens'. Honestly, I know that being a family member of a President, Vice President, Congressperson, Senator, etc. puts one under a microscope but I just don't agree with it. The "person" selling that video is scum IMO. It is a personal family matter and should be treated as such.

[LisaL]

35. Oh sorry. I have no clue whether the allegations are true or false,

but when criminal activity is alleged, how does it make this a personal family matter and nothing else?

[Summermoondancer]

20. I don´t understand why

people are always so determined to trash the children of our leaders. I don´t know if it is true or not, but even if it is it is not our business that is a private matter. I applaud the Post for refusing to pay for this video.

It simply represents the impossibility of the drug war. Kids, adults, anyone that wants it can get it...our laws have kept if from no one.

[tuckessee]

33. One reason is it illustrates the double standards.

Common folks get charged with felonies, lose their assets and go to jail for many years.

The elite (and their spawn) get to sit on corporate boards and collect fat salaries.

[jus_the_facts]

38. Marion Barry comes to mind....

...double standard? :shrug:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/barry.htm

[Summermoondancer]

41. No, I don´t think that is the case either, because look at Clinton´s brother

He got into a lot of trouble over his antics..however, it is really disheartening that people trash kids that aren´t even elected to power..it wasn´t their choice to be in the spotlight and we make it worse by putting them there.
Furthermore, it would be more responsible to simply legalize drugs....
I am not jealous that someone has more than I do or that they get fat salaries...money does not buy happiness..her using drugs demonstrates that fact very well...happy,stable people don´t have a need to act out in that fashion

[Fumesucker]

47. Do happy, stable people drink alcohol?

Or are 75% of American adults unhappy and unstable?

That is the approximate percentage that drink alcoholic beverages.

[Summermoondancer]

52. They drink but are they alcoholics?

I would say having one social drink doesn´t make you unhappy, but I would say having three or four every day does make you unhappy or it indicates real issues.

[Fumesucker]

55. Not everyone who does "drugs" is an addict..

Just like not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.

Even the majority of those who use heroin are what is known as "chippers", occasional users who are not addicts.

[Summermoondancer]

63. Not everyone is but if you are doing it on a regular basis

there is a problem. Why does a person need to get high in the first place? If it is for medical reasons I can understand using a medication, drug, whatever it takes to deal with the health issue...however, what in the heck is wrong with being high on life? I have never needed drugs or firewater to make myself happy. There are drugs that you do on occasion that will make you an addict. It is playing with fire...and asking to get burned.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

65. "what the heck is wrong with being high on life?"

Everyone I've known IRL to use that phrase (or some variation), has been annoying enough to drive a person to drink.

[Summermoondancer]

66. No one drives anyone to drink

a person makes that choice for themself. I actually don´t drive many crazy except anti immigration nutcases and racists. I am for legalizing all illicit substances and taxing them to the hilt...if you want to do them, fine...but you will pay the price...and doing something that harms you when you don´t need it is silly.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

68. I think we should tax junk food

That probably causes more health problems than drugs nationwide.

And, if you think no one drives anyone to drink, well, you haven't met my mother.

[Summermoondancer]

73. Nope I haven´t met your mother

but when I meet someone, even family that I can´t deal with because they drive me mad..I don´t deal with them.

[ozu]

67. Props for this comment. n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

69. And, by that comment, I'm not referring to people who are sober for whatever reason

I'm just referring to those use "get high on life."

[Clear Blue Sky]

22. BFD...

It will be news for a week and then forgotten. Just like the partying Bush twins.

[iamthebandfanman]

25. the way things are these days, i wouldnt be suprised if

that same annoymous friend was the one who gave her to cocain and brought along the video tape to make himself rich.

lol

[soothsayer]

26. Oh noes, Kelloggs will pull her cereal box endorsement!!

[Wizard777]

29. That's no "Friend."

[flamingdem]

36. Here's a breakdown of the bogusness of this "news story"

http://tommychristopher.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/alleged-ashley-biden-cocaine-tape-sounds-like-a-fake/#more-873

In my story at AOL, Update: Inconsistencies Arise Regarding Alleged Ashley Biden Cocaine Tape, I started to go intoashley_biden_facebook some of the reasons this tape is starting to look as fake as the “Whitey tape.”

I’m only reporting on it at all because 3 different accounts are already being blasted out across the internet, and none of them match up. You can check out the AOL story for the background, I want to focus here on why this sounds like a fake to me.

According to the most detailed story, the NY Post account, the following facts lead me to believe this is a fake:

The other lawyer said Ashley didn’t have Secret Service protection at the time of the party because she complained about agents blocking her driveway.

“She complained to her dad about it and he got rid of them,” he said.

This is not at all credible, and it indicates a consciousness of holes in the story. The idea that Secret Service agents would abandon their posts, or that the Vice President would order them away, is ludicrous.

The lawyers said the shooter used a camera with a hard-disc drive that he later destroyed, drilling into the device and tossing it into a lake.

What? Why would he do that if he had already made a copy? Isn’t that like putting on a condom while you rush to the maternity ward? It would, however, explain the lack of an original, verifiable recording.

The shooter claims that he previously tape-recorded Ashley at a party in August, but was unsuccessful in his attempts to sell that video, they said.

So, he had another tape that he couldn’t sell, in August, when every Republican in the world was trying to beat Obama/Biden? And did what with it, drilled holes in it and threw it in a volcano? Where was the Secret Service then? Plus, knowing this, why would he turn down this?

An American media company offered $250,000 for the footage and access to the person who shot the tape, according to the lawyers.

Another company, based overseas, offered $225,000, they said.

Coupled with the inconsistencies I noted at AOL, I don’t think anyone will pay $400 dollars, let alone $400k. The fact that there is no original recording in existence is enough for me, by itself. Alien Autopsy had better provenance.

[LisaL]

37. Yea hopefully those are false allegations.

[Muttocracy]

54. that's worth an OP if noone else has posted it yet. nt

[coffeenap]

43. How can videotape prove drug use? Can somene test the

image of the powdery substance? There is NO proof that it is cocaine--could be a big chalk dust joke--this was done when I was in school, for laughs. No, it is not likely to be a joke, but still, no proof, right?

[rcrush]

44. What is it with assholes at parties videotaping everything?

When I used to go to parties where people would be smoking or snorting something NO ONE took any damn pictures! It seemed like an understood rule. But also if you are the Vice Presidents daughter maybe its not a good idea to let people film you doing cocaine.

[LisaL]

49. Apparently this was done with a hidden camera.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/exclusive-biden-cocaine-scandal-video-shot-hidden-camera-lawyer-quits

[Dogmudgeon]

45. Ashley Biden needs to be fired

Harrumph!

--d!

[doxieone]

48. The lawyer has quit

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/exclusive-biden-cocaine-scandal-video-shot-hidden-camera-lawyer-quits

Despite contrary reports, RadarOnline.com has learned that the tape was shot with a hidden camera by the seller and made without the knowledge of the woman who is said to be the vice president’s daughter.

Our viewing of portions of the tape is consistent with that. The low, tilted angle of the camera and the actions of the woman both indicate the camera was not in plain view.

The tape was shot last month at a party in a house in Wilmington, Delaware.

We have also learned that the seller of the tape did not receive any written bids for it.

Ashley is the youngest of three siblings. She is also the only child of Joe and his second wife Jill.

Attempts to reach Ashley for comment have been unsuccessful.

[LostinVA]

51. I don't care about this, or the Bush Twins partying, or even Bristol Palin's single motherhood

They haven't been elected to office, nor are they campaigning. It isn't their fault their parents have. Some people say in this thread all of this counts because they need to be treated like "ordinary citizens." Guess what? Videos of ordinary citizens taking drugs aren't shopped to major media outlets.

Boo.

[knixphan]

58. Word.

:fistbump:

[Thothmes]

59. Agree

in the scheme of things, this of minor consequence. They are not public officials, it is none of our business.

[kiranon]

56. It's hard to be a parent circa 2009. Drugs are everywhere and if

you know how to stop them, please let us all know. Drugs are in the middle schools, the high schools, the colleges and perhaps even in the elementary schools. Until the culture changes, drugs will continue to be a parent's nightmare. Treatment and education and not criminality will help a lot. Throw alcohol in there as well as it causes an unbelievable amount of harm also. Apparently, "friends" who betray friends are out there just ready to release the latest version of someone's stupidity.

[krabigirl]

71. His daughter is 27. How doe this have to do with schools, or parents?

[JDPriestly]

57. How old is Ashley Biden? What does she do?

Is she a student? Or does she work?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

64. Who cares?

So she likes to party? So do millions of other Americans.

[Carni]

70. Like Jenna and Barb weren't involved in all kinds of crap

Maybe if the bush admin hadn't exploded the amount of drugs coming in and out of the US over the last eight years via their assorted underhanded deals she wouldn't have had free access to cocaine.

Hopefully if Biden's daughter has a coke problem she will get the help she needs and stop partaking in it.

[percussivemadness]

72. Biden forced that anti-constitutional piece of sh** "The RAVE Act"

onto America...If this harms him reputation wise, it will be Karma, this legislation resulted in cocaine use in America shooting through the roof...

[paulsby]

77. biden has been a crusader on this crap

he was instrumental in the incredibly moronic ephedrine banning episode in congress, which was contrary to DSHEA, which is what made ephedrine a legal dietary supplement.

iirc, he has also been big on going after baseball players using AAS.

both i think are totally retarded.

i don't give a flying fuck what drugs MLB use, nor should it be the business of congress.

nor should congress be trying to ban ephedrine, considering it's remarkable safeness. here's a hint. big pharma HATES epedra/ephedrine cause it's cheaper, not patentable, compared to their diet meds.

but again, i don't care if biden's daughter is hooking herself for hits of crack.

leave the frigging families alone. period.