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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:33 PM Original message |
Judge Must Release Woman Sentenced to Jail for Being Poor, ACLU Says in Court Papers |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. don't miss the last paragraph. |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. I hate the overuse of "Kafkaesque," but that is Kafkaesque. NT |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. No, you're absolutely right. Straight out of "The Trial" |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. This sort of deal really is Kafkaesque |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Request for Court appointed attorney were denied? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. They can't deny you a lawyer but the judge can find that you don't |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. That's not what this FindLaw article says. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I think in practice what happens is, you're found to be refusing counsel |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. But how could any judge say this homeless woman could afford one? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I don't know, pnwmom. It's wrong, however he did it. n/t |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. she wasn't convicted, or even charged |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. Good point. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
96. in practice it is only for things you can go to jail for for more than a month, I think |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. According to FindLaw, we have the right to an attorney for any jailable offense |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. She waived her right |
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Summermoondancer (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
87. and that is ridiculous |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
101. In some states, the state is only required to provide a lawyer in felony |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. Slavery by other means. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Exactly |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Oh, great we have debtor prisons now? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Yes, right after the Capitalists overthrew our Democracy. They made it a crime to be poor. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Always have had - |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. Good point.n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thank you for posting. n/t |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. Is this an elected or an appointed judge? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
108. Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. Get your guns! It's time for Shay's Rebellion Part II. |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. This is disgusting. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. Is this the ReSMUG-Engler appointed Robert E. Goebel, Jr.? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
109. yes. Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. but it IS a crime to be poor in America... which is why they enslave you into the military service.. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
82. You've got to be kidding. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. It is over things like this that people should be calling for revolution |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. you are right. Its almost unbelieveable to see stuff like this |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. We live in a police state. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I have been saying that since I got DARE in grade school |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. Debtor's prisons are back. Once you go in, you never get out. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. This makes me want to scream. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. Part of the trend of jailing non criminals to fill up all the jail cells they built for profit. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
20. I wonder how the sheriff forced her to sign over the check. |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
84. Amazing what you can do |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
21. Wow. Grossly unconstitutional. |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
22. I hope this woman can sue the Judge, and the jailers and |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Some ACLU lawyers must be looking into that right now. |
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HillbillyBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. and she should sue the judge personally for it all , whatever ass |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Thanks for making that point |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. K&R |
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downindixie (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. Its the same thing with women and men |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
25. That's disgusting. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
26. god help us all!!! this is just ridiculous!! |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. This is so sick on many levels it's not even funny |
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lsewpershad (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. OMG |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
34. Wonder if this guy is a Right Winger.... |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
35. America is waging a war against its own lower class. nt |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. Since when are people CHARGED for detention? |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. You must be from Canada or something. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. It reminds me of the Chinese charging the families of executed prisoners |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
37. the police state |
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Dollface (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. The ACLU, doing God's work cause he is too busy |
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Brucie Kibbutz (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. that's a new one on me |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. It's shit like this that proves that there is no God. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Indeed. |
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Dollface (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. I think it was Jon Stewart who pointed out that if there is a God, he is kind of a dick. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
107. Personally I think "God" has been anthropomorphized into ridiculousness. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
106. Or, "he's" not omnipotent, in which case, should "he" even be "worshiped..." |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
41. It's like a painful Charles Dickens novel brought to life |
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FunMe (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. And the PIG rove is still not in jail |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. OK, here's the deal... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
49. How did this ever become "law"...how did this guy ever become a judge? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. wrong spot- delete |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
55. Poor old Charlie he will ride forever 'neath the streets of |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. sounds like the court had a case of "contempt" |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. There's that many Republicans in Detroit?? |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. This is in Escanaba. It is 400+ miles north in the UP. |
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llmart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Yes, and Escanaba...... |
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Richd506 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. This is disgusting |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
59. Fucking scum, thank God for the ACLU, donate if you can folks! |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
60. Homeless in Escanaba in December where the temps are -40 below? The judge should face Charges of |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
64. Wow. There's something just so wrong with jailing someone for that. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
100. Technically they didn't 'require' shopping at the comapny store... |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
65. I really think we should show the judge |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
67. There is no fucking way this travesty of all that is good and right is constitutional. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You are correct. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Thank you for confirming my suspicions. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Yes. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
68. Those S O Bs! |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Fantastic!!! |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Thanks. |
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publicatlarge (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. love you guys... |
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dothemath (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
74. Miranda ?????????? |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #74 |
93. When arrested for criminal activity. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
79. I knew the debtors' prison shit was going to rear its ugly head at some point. |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. WTF??? |
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mackerel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Did the woman have other children? |
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Kalyan (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
86. why the outrage, i see nothing wrong! |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #86 |
103. Except for undocumented workers, of course |
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Summermoondancer (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
88. Wanna bet |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
89. the criminalization of poverty, I learned about at a Mills College Conference in Oakland a while |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
90. I'm pretty sure debtors prisons are expressly forbidden in this country. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Yes. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
91. someone should committ B & E at the fine judges |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
94. K&R |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
95. Holy shit! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
97. K&R |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
98. amazing |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
99. debtors’ prisons |
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Mark D. (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
102. The Judge |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I'm curious why the name of the judge is not available to us. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
105. Yes . . . for long time they've been making "homelessness" a crime . . . !!! |
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