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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:34 PM
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Marijuana helps in battle against cancer: study
Source: AFP

Marijuana helps in battle against cancer: study

4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The main chemical in marijuana appears to aid in the destruction of brain cancer cells, offering hope for future anti-cancer therapies, researchers in Spain wrote in a study released Thursday.

The authors from the Complutense University in Madrid, working with scientists from other universities, found that the active component of marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), causes cancer cells to undergo a process called autophagy -- the breakdown that occurs when the cell essentially self-digests.

The research, which appears in the April edition of US-published Journal of Clinical Investigation, demonstrates that THC and related "cannabinoids" appear to be "a new family of potential antitumoral agent."

The authors wrote that the chemical may prove useful in the development of future "antitumoral agents."

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hI48Z7hVlUKCQa6mLariCgrgBnyg
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:38 PM
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1. Wow! In addition to staving off nausea caused by radiation and chemotherapy,
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 06:39 PM by ShortnFiery
easing ocular pressure for those suffering with Glaucoma, and assisting in "pain relief" for those chronically or terminally ill - this HOPEFUL finding.

Cool! :-)
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:59 AM
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58. Not to mention it makes everyone feel great!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:06 AM
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82. Dude... it gives cancer cells the munchies for themselves!
Now that's a severe case of munchies!
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:55 AM
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100. DUzy....lol. excellent synopsis.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:39 PM
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2. The sadistic scumbags at the DEA will still say there is no medicinal value..
So they can continue to brutalize patients and steal their medicine. :mad:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:42 PM
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4. They will never admit being WRONG
because that will be admitting the people they hate the most on the planet, the hippies, were RIGHT.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:56 AM
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69. dirty fucking hippies
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:23 AM
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85. I resemble(d) that!
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 06:24 AM by clixtox

Not much hair left now, but I was called a "double hippy" by the family of a girlfriend in 1970 when we visited them back in West Virginia. Having been raised in Berkeley, CA they were about half right...

Our sleazy, lying, cement-headed government and their sadistic "drug warrior" minions, in a just society, would be seriously chastised constantly for their inhumanity.

Besides the millions of domestic victims of the "war on drugs", the U$A has actually exported this studied ignorance and oppression to many other countries around the world.

We are horrible, we really are...

The U$A is actually the hub of the "axis of evil".

So hypocritically self-righteous.

Hubris run riot!


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:43 PM
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6. As the Pharmaceutical companies extract the THC from the plant and charge us BIG BUCKS
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 06:44 PM by ShortnFiery
for the "purified medication." :thumbsdown:

Marinol does NOT work as efficiently as direct inhalation. The cleanest way of THC delivery (so far) is through the blessed water pipe, i.e., bong.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

BTW if you are a terminally ill cancer patient, I think you'd opt for "weed and a bong."
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:48 PM
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7. Vaporizer is the cleanest way. But I prefer a nice choker from the bong. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:00 PM
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9. I haven't "indulged" since Jesus was a Corporal because of my post-college career track
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 07:00 PM by ShortnFiery
But if it were made LEGAL? :-)
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:39 PM
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34. A good bong choker will really get it to permeate the brain.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:05 PM
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43. vaporizors have never done the trick for me.
bongs are still the best.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:58 AM
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71. the vaporizers have done me in
what is wierd is not knowing whether or not you have taken in a hit
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:30 AM
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86. Rolling, rolling, rolling...


keep those fingers rolling, stay high!

Pot is an elixir and a panacea, one of life's simple pleasures.

IMHO, pot helps make life's constant tribulations much more bearable.

So shoot me...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:36 PM
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104. because of a deformed right hand, i always used to use a rolling machine...
when i did joints. i'd pack them full of weed, and they'd come out looking just like a filterless cigarette.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:14 AM
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109. Thank the Goddess for those devices.

When I started smoking pretty lousy, cheap Mexican "brick" weed in 1964, I was horrible at hand rolling and soon learned how to use the small rolling device distributed by RizLa+(Croix). If I used white papers the "joints" looked exactly like a Lucky Strike or Camel cigarette. This lessened the natural paranoia often felt smoking while out walking on the street or riding in a car.

Now, after 45 years of practice, my hand rolled "Js" look like "coffin nails", if I ever want to smoke a "fatty".

Rarely do though...

Too wasteful to roll big bombers, unless you grow your own.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:36 PM
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32. Marinol also has side effects, drug interactions and is very expensive,
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:57 AM
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70. vaporizer is way cleaner
you get no smoke only vapor
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Mermaid7 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:53 AM
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97. Vaporization?
How do you do it?
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jkirch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:32 PM
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103. Hi Mermaid
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:17 PM
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16. There are proudly-ignorant assholes on DU who won't admit they're wrong either.
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 08:17 PM by Zhade
But the facts are on OUR side.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:39 PM
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3. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:43 PM
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5. also helps with Parkinsons
wish it was legal for my hubby
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:23 PM
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30. also with MS.
Wish it were legal for ME.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:41 PM
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35. indeed!
husband gets drug tested for occupation elsewise we would just smoke the shit. Hope you are doing ok?
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:54 PM
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39. As mentioned down thread,
I'm trying to get away from feeling stoned, but boy those cookies are good.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:57 PM
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40. lol
you gotta do what you gotta do.."days are long but life is short"
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:41 PM
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50. Same here
My doc recommended it off the record.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:42 AM
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81. IBS too... nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:41 AM
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94. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:00 PM
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8. Worse yet, it can cause euphoria! nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:06 PM
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10. And those dreaded giggles and munchies?
And as I recall ... music sounded fuller and/or richer?

No, one should NOT ever abuse any substance - interfere with responsibilities and daily functioning - but even "an occasional square dance" could be enjoyable when one's conscious is altered appropriately. :shrug:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YGeU2nHmk9U/RmrwR8uT6YI/AAAAAAAAAO0/7hHQR7ybUYg/s400/marijuana+poster.jpg
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:13 PM
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11. How I despise more each day those who have influenced/molded most of this nation's
overall public policy regarding drugs, et al, for well over half of a century and wish upon all of them that one of Johnny Carson's birds of whatever fly up of each of their orifices each and every day 'cause: I'm mad and hell and not going to take it any more. :P
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:21 PM
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12. That google link is not long for the world
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090401181217.htm

This will probably still be there when you need to reference it.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:21 PM
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48. Thanks for the link!
I have an appointment tomorrow with a new hemo/oncologist. First visit and going to ask him about this drug.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:54 PM
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13. Very cool...
I've always known THC kills brain cells, but maybe its just the bad ones? No? Oh well...smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:19 PM
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17. It does not kill brain cells. It DOES kill cancer.
NT!

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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 11:25 PM
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54. it gets the cells high, then they get so hungry they have to digest themselves
that's a clever herb
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:16 AM
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56. Kinda poetic, isn't it?
NT!

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Tyler Generation Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:35 PM
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20. You're joking right?
Please tell me nobody in 2009 believes THC kills brain cells.:eyes:
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:17 AM
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91. Funny
I have read this a few times on different threads and I find it very funny. My friends and I always joked about 'killing brain cells' when getting high as many 'stoners' do. Some idiots seem to have taken this joke to heart and truly believe that smoking pot kills brain cells and they think the pot smokers are the 'losers'.
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Tyler Generation Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:57 AM
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92. Well that's what we're fighting against!
I love the fact that cannabis has been in the news so much lately, and that responsible smokers are coming out of the closet and smashing stereotypes. We just can't let up, and we may end this prohibition madness sooner then we think!

Another thing while I'm on the old soapbox here: Any argument for people to not use marijuana, is NOT AN ARGUMENT TO KEEP IT ILLEGAL!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:36 PM
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21. Quite the opposite..
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:57 PM
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14. Before you light up a joint you might note that the effect on normal brain cells may be similar
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 07:57 PM by usregimechange
to the effect on the cancer cells. In other words, when it is applied locally it can starve off cancer cells but when it is applied generally or systematically like through inhalation, it may not necessarily be good for your non cancerous cells.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:20 PM
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18. Nope. There is zero evidence to support your assertion.
NT!

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
31. feel free to back that assertion up with data..
otherwise it only amounts to so much propaganda.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:13 PM
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45. Conventional cancer therapies aren't good for healthy cells
at least grass is non-toxic. You don't lose your hair and you won't spend any time throwing up so your body winds up not just dealing with cancer but also being malnourshed.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:01 AM
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72. cancer cells missed the signal to destroy themselves
or to stop growing, thc reminds them of this. it reminds them of the normal course of cell life. It appears to not tell healthy cells the same thing.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:53 AM
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79. might, may, can, may not
Sounds to me like you know about jack of what you speak. Maybe you should educate yourself before you spout off propagandist BS.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:26 PM
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102. And you should further note that marijuana MAY make you look
more attractive to the opposite sex. Marijuana MAY also do wonders for your social life and some have even suggested that marijuana may vastly increase your performance in bed and provide a size benefit as well. There are simply no ends to what marijuana may be capable of doing!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:16 PM
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15. Yup. We've known this for a long time now. It's a MEDICALLY-PROVEN BENEFICIAL HERB.
Contrary to the uninformed here and in the world who WRONGLY say it's harmful, it actually heals people.

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vkkv Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:32 PM
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19. Marijuana helps in battle against cancer: study
I'm not a cig smoker, but I'd recommend that all cig smokers SMOKE POT, too, for your own health.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:44 PM
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22. Yes it's a very misunderstood and beneficial plant
There is healing in that plant.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:47 PM
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23. But won't all of those cancer patients will become heroin addicts?
:shrug:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:05 PM
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24. Worse, they will become pro athletes, astronomers, artists, and...
presidents.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:08 AM
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73. yes, within 6 months.
The police in Dare taught me in 7th grade that everyone who tries cannabis automatically becomes completely addicted to heroin within 6 months. They said that it had been proven. When I asked them where and when they said it was not up for me to ask when and where, just to know that it had been proven. The numbers they then showed us had something like 48 percent of people admitting to smoking cannabis at some point in their life and 2 percent using heroin. The stats were 2 years old. So I said, look what is the big deal. The 48 percent of the people who had tried cannabis 2 years ago are all heroin addicts now. 2 years and 6 months ago only 2 percent of Americans had tried cannabis, they because the heroin addicts listed 2 years ago. Since then 46 percent more people used pot and became addicted to heroin. Add 48 and 2 and you have half of the population who is now addicted to heroin and we do not even notice it. Why is heroin bad if 1 in 2 people are addicted and we do not notice it? He then insulted me and said I did not look too smart (long haired guy). The math teacher (dare was in math class for whatever reason) then said I had simply used the statistics logically in line with the 6 months automatic addiction line and that I was one of her best students. She also told the cop she knew lots of people at the university who had smoked cannabis but never even tried heroin, and that heroin was much worse than cannabis and that it was impossible that half of the USA was addicted to heroin because we would notice it. She clearly did not want her students to think that heroin was no big deal. The cops had told us cannabis was the worst of all drugs because it led you to use other drugs whereas heroin use or cocaine use did not.
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:22 AM
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76. It took me a while
before I learned the true meaning of the acronym DARE.....Drugs Are Really Expensive!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:11 PM
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25. Next thing you know,
they will be telling us alcohol kills bacteria.

This truly is a brave new world.



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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:09 AM
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61. Smoke and a drink
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 01:11 AM by AlbertCat
Funny.....I had an argument with some guy on another board a while back who's point was pot had no medical use and should be illegal but alcohol was OK because it had a medical use.

HAHAHAHAHA! Yes, alcohol does indeed have some medical uses, but imbibing it with ice and maybe some fruit juice is not one of them.


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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:12 PM
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26. Attended a Medical Cannabis Teach -In today
The doctor talked specifically of THC benefitting patients with glioblastoma, the form of brain cancer Ted Kennedy has. (I lost a very dear friend to the disease two years ago.) Without treatment, the life-expectancy is only 3 months; with surgery, chemo, and radiation, less than a year. Patients using marijuana are living 2 or more years with the cancer.

The other thing I found particularly interesting was the discussion of cannabidiol which may have many of the medical benefits without the stone. Laugh, but many who use it for medical reasons would appreciate the opportunity to have full faculties after they medicate. I know I would like the choice. New strains with higher levels of cannabidiol are being developed and should be in medical dispensaries in the next few months. I think much more research and development is in order.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:16 PM
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27. The PNAC and BFEE gangs need warriors, - if MJ becomes legal - who's gonna wanna fight??
.
.
.

I DO believe that the Powers that Be in the USA dread having a peaceful, laid back and loving population;

because hardly anyone would sign up for their ridiculous wars all over the globe.

I really DO believe that is the main reason that MJ is illegal down there.

BOOZE? - get plastered all ya want - it's legal - and it DOES kill brain cells.

No offense to the grunts - but the dumb ones seem to get promoted faster . . .

The last US President is proof of that!

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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:18 PM
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28. I'll smoke to that. n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:19 PM
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29. I wonder if I can sue the Government?
Since they made marijuana unavailable for my mothers brain cancer.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:38 PM
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33. As soon as a drug company finds a way to patent weed, it will be legal.
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 09:39 PM by McCamy Taylor
And even if the slight chemical modification makes it more potent than natural grass, the drug company will claim that it has no recreational potential and the FDA will nod its head like one of those stupid dogs in the back of cars.

The feds hates drugs that are cheap, because they cut into drug company profits and so there are less kickbacks for the guys at the FDA.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:00 PM
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41. when native herbs become too refined they become dangerous.
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 10:01 PM by Downwinder
Coca leaves are beneficial. When Bayer refined opium to make morphine it became too strong.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:41 PM
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36. may also help in the spread of breast cancer cells and is non-toxic.....
unlike other treatments.

ScienceDaily (Nov. 26, 2007) — A compound found in cannabis may prove to be effective at helping stop the spread of breast cancer cells throughout the body.
The study, by scientists at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute, is raising hope that CBD, a compound found in Cannabis sativa, could be the first non-toxic agent to show promise in treating metastatic forms of breast cancer.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071123211703.htm
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:41 PM
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37. Will someone please get Ted Kennedy stoned off his ass!
He's too good a man to let go down like that.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:50 PM
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38. What states allow medicinal marijuana?

Is it just California?

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:13 AM
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74. Lots of states


Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. Also do not forget Spain, the Netherlands, newly Germany and Belgium.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:03 PM
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42. bob marley died from a cancerous brain tumor.
just sayin...
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:16 PM
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46. awe hell n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:17 PM
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47. No cancer therapy is 100% effective
but non-toxic grass would probably give you a better quality of life (I'm not trying to be funny) than the traditional and toxic chemo and radiation therapies.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:10 PM
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44. I'm going to start smoking pot!!!
I was diagnosed with cancer of unknown primary (CUP for short) in October. It was discovered after a biopsy of a small tumor near the pelvic bone. They said, it's not the PRIMARY source of the cancer it's spread from someplace else, meaning the Genie is out of the bottle and I'm stage IV.

After 85 tests - you name it - I've had it. Everything and anything you can imagine I've had done and they all come back clean and negative. BUT, they give me 3 years. Welcome to the Twilight Zone of Medicine.

I'm going to start smoking pot like a chimney!!!! If they can't find it - maybe pot will keep it that way. I haven't smoked pot in 20 years!!

LEGALIZE MARIJUANA NOW!!!! kpete thanks for posting this! I love U! :hug:
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:48 PM
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51. Dear madmax, please put your brilliant mind to work and do some
homework via the www on something called Native Legends Tea. It is also known as "Essiac's Tea".
If I ever come down with ANY kind of cancer, this is what I will use.
I would also turn to an absolutely organic diet with no preservatives or additives of any kind. Some nice spring dandelions in my favorite green salads ( don't forget the tomatoes) and a good cleansing with some spring baby stinging nettles (boil twice) and add real butter or vinegar) would be the way I would start adding more wild herbs to my diet too. Nettles are a great blood cleaner I believe.
And last, but not least, I would get away from any energy fields such as radio, tv, microwave, cell phones (for sure) and any other electric or magnetic fields that I could possibly do without. For me, that would mean go to my favorite mountains and stay a while.
Kick back, have some magic brownies (or however you like it) and relax would be the rest of it. Maybe even go fishing.
I am not a Dr nor am I giving advice. I am only sharing what I myself would use for myself and/or my family if they wanted it.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:04 AM
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60. I'm walking down another stage IV road
After ass kicking surgery and chemo treatment I've be given a clean bill of health, yet these prognoses are good for 4 and 5 month increments while they keep looking for the inevitable. Every new ache or pain I experience might just be the start of the nasty one. I'm willing to live with the buzz if there is a possibility the pot will keep the nasty C at bay.

I live in California, a legal medical marijuana state, and as soon as the Feds read the memo to back off raiding the marijuana/cannabis stores, I'm going to become their best customer.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:40 PM
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105. please be careful
wouldnt want you to go to jail over it.


hence why we all want atleast decriminalization.


my mother grew up strongly against illegal drugs no matter what they were,
but then her father(my grandfather) was diagnosed with bone cancer and told he had less than a year.
soon the pain became intense.

my mother pleaded with doctors to give medication to ease the pain...

she was taken aside after other things werent working and told 'i cant tell you officially that you should go do what im about to tell you to do, but as your friend(they had known each other since childhood) im going to suggest you find some marijuana' ..
he reiterated that he couldnt tell her how to go about doing that , or even suggest it as his professional opinion...

my mom was able to find a family member who was able to get some for him.

he got to enjoy the last few months of his life.

i know he did, because he was able to rock me in a rocking chair... i was only 4 when he passed away, but i still remember him rocking me for some reason.

my mom told me if it hadnt been for the pot, theres noway he could have looked past the pain to spend one on one time with me before he left.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:34 PM
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49. So in addition to
relieving pain, nausea, glaucoma treatment, migraine treatment, now they have found it can cause cancer to eat itself...hmmm sounds more and more like it makes sense to legalize this drug...er Medicine...of course the DEA insists that none of the drugs on their prohibited list have any medicinal value...but they aren´t doctors or reasearchers...are they!
I have never used it, but I see nothing wrong with someone using it for a medical purpose...if I needed it I certainly would use it.
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someone else Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:55 PM
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53. Mom died of cancer in '79
The evil weed made my mother's dying days much more bareable. She didn't smoke it but had it in tea and brownies. I broke the law to get it for her.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:09 AM
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62. Who wouldn´t...Cancer is a very painful thing to not only live with but to watch.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:53 PM
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52. Great. Add it to the list. But...
There's one thing you can bet on here. We haven't found any anticancer agent yet with the kind of specificity that many people here might hope for from THC. The fact is, smoking, eating, or otherwise ingesting the stuff might feel pretty damned nice. And yes, we have a stupid and contradictory drug policy based largely on cultural traditions which exempt ethanol and (to a lesser extent these days) tobacco. But that just doesn't mean smoking weed is actually good for you. This information, if true, should *actually* be sending up a big red flag about just that. That's the thing about therapeutics that actually work, something that separates real pharmacology from the massive bullshit "alternative medicine" scam infecting the world. Medicines, real medicines, are for the sick. They have negative side-effects, precisely because they actually have significant biological activity at their prescribed dose. They aren't "health-promoters" as is claimed for the massive quantities of (at best) useless horseshit foisted on the world by the massive "supplements" industry. Healthy people, as a pretty damned well established rule, don't need therapeutics, and that goes double for anticancer agents. Forgive me if I have very, very little doubt that the magic weed is an exception.

No, it probably shouldn't be illegal, and certainly shouldn't be criminalized to the utterly insane extent we have come to in this country. It isn't true, however, that being illegal means it must be good for you.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 11:26 PM
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55. Mirror images
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 11:28 PM by JMDEM
Wow -- you see a massive conspiracy by the supplement industry.

I see a massive conspiracy by the drug companies.

Tell you what. The drug companies are about 100 times more rich and powerful than the supplements industry. And tell you what -- if they don't like what you are doing, they will squash you like a bug. Read up on the experience of Ralph Moss in regards to laetrile at Sloan Kettering in NY.

Read up on how some of the same people on the board of directors of Sloan Kettering Cancer center were also on the board of directors of Philip Morris, Inc.

Read up on (medical) Dr. Burk Berkson who has cured many "terminal" liver illness patients with alpha lipoic acid (a vitamin) yet who was fired from his job for doing so. The same Dr. Berkson is now curing "terminal" cancer patients with low dose naltrexone and alpha lipoic acid, including cancer patients with the most feared cancer -- pancreatic cancer.

Check out:

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/conf2008.htm
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:17 AM
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57. Complete anti-pot horseshit, of course.
Medical science PROVES it's beneficial, and still some of you spin that to mean the opposite.

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:17 AM
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65. That isn't what was written at all!
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 01:18 AM by AlbertCat
Calm down...Jesus...


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:17 PM
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107. Uh, try rereading it.
"But that just doesn't mean smoking weed is actually good for you. This information, if true, should *actually* be sending up a big red flag about just that."

That's just an example of the utter nonsense in that post.

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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:13 AM
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63. You do realize that the miracle drug Asprin comes from
Willowbark right? Did you also forget about how Penicilin came about? Some of the greatest finds in history have been ones that nature gave to us.
Alternative medicine is not a scam...Chinese and indigenous people have been using alternative medicine for many more centuries than modern medicine has even existed. Marijuana does indeed relieve migraines...it also relieves nausea and pain. It clearly can aleve depression since it does make a person feel good.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:26 AM
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67. Alternative medicine is not a scam
Alternative medicine is not a scam...Chinese and indigenous people have been using alternative medicine for many more centuries than modern medicine has even existed.


***************

And it was just as ineffective then as it is now. How do you know any of it worked? Or if it did work, that the active ingredients is what the Pharms are extracting, discarding the chaff. Would you rather chew birch tree bark or take an aspirin?

I know all those vitamins my buddy takes he just pisses out later if he doesn't need them. Most supplements you don't need. The placebo effect, however, can be very powerful and genuinely beneficial.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:37 AM
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68. Willow bark is asprin or didn´t you know that?
if you chew it you get the same effect as it is the SAME thing. That is what Asprin is made out of...I took about four years of pharmacology classes I know exactly what I am talking about...here you go and after reading these links it should be clear to you that Willow bark is asprin just holds a different name. Clearly the medicines did work...they had been curing them for many centuries of ailments.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_asprin_come_from
Asprin's main ingrediant comes from Willow bark but the rest is synthetic

and

http://unasked.com/question/view/id/8188

http://starryskies.com/articles/dln/1-01/asprin.html



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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:52 AM
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89. Ah...here is a fact you seem to not know
"all those vitamins...just pisses out later if he does not need them." False. Incorrect. Some vitamins are as you state, such as C. Others are not water soluable and remain in the body.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:01 AM
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59. Just as you wouldn't trumpet a single study that claims MJ CAUSES cancer,
you shouldn't hail as definitive proof a single study saying MJ CURES cancer.

the statement "cannabinoids" appear to be "a new family of potential antitumoral agent." is a scientifically weak statement, with lots of wiggle room. If you or a loved one had cancer, would you be okay with MJ being the primary, or sole treatment?

Good science can be replicated under controlled conditions. If this study is sound research, somebody will be able to duplicate the results, strengthening the hypothesis (i.e. MJ cures cancer). This is not the same a variety of different studies, using different methodologies all claiming health benefits for those who use MJ- it would have to be the same/similar study, with the same type of patients, etc.

Unfortunately, it is my understanding that research into the potential helpful/healthful effects of MJ is illegal in the US, which is why this study came from Spain. Just think what might be learned if our massive research capacity in the US were unrestrained to learn what it could about the curative properties of MJ.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:14 AM
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64. You do realize that we are using cocaine in research in the US right?
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:17 AM
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75. this is not the first study
Studies suggesting this have been popping up since the mid seventies.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:58 AM
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90. The study did not say marijuana cures cancer
Nor did anyone suggest that it should be the primary treatment much less the only treatment for cancer. The hypothesis of the study is not that Marijuana cures cancer. It simply is not the hypotheiss. As you should know. You yourself qoute 'potential antitumoral agent'. Potential. And yet you claim they are saying it is a cure, and should be primary treatment. Amazing lack of honesty in your rewrite of the article. Stunning to me. You read 'potential antitumoral' as ' the only cure'. Amazing.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:39 AM
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111. Just reflecting/rebutting a position/interpretation that others had made. n/t
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:21 AM
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66. kr
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:23 AM
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77. Pot..is there anything it can't do?

I am of the opinion,that MJ is a far more beneficial herb than any politician would care to admit.

If Cannabis had never been heard of,and some scientist discovered it in some remote rain forest,it would be hailed as the find of the century.

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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:41 AM
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78. This is old news to lots of people. Please go to this site and watch
the video - http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ I have shared it with everyone I love and if I got sick it's the FIRST thing I'd try after having watched my mother suffer through chemo and die from cancer eleven weeks after being diagnosed.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:18 AM
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80. I guess if I had to choose between cancer and stupid, I'd choose stupid.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:11 AM
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83. KNR!!!
x's 100!!! Peace - Love and pass that joint! hehe.. :hi:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:17 AM
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84. And yet the President smirks about marijuana
while he sells us all insurance policies to profit his donors.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:09 AM
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87. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:28 AM
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88. Smoke 'em if you got 'em
K&R
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:35 AM
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93. Suddenly the line about "pot kills brain cells" seems a lot more credible...
and less threatening.

:smoke:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:56 AM
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95. Has anyone been reported OD'ing on pot?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:06 AM
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98. Nope.
Never heard of a pot OD.
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:41 AM
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99. No but it can cause a psychotic breakdown in the very small %
of the population that is prone to schizophrenia. I have a friend's daughter that ends up in the psych ward almost every time she's exposed to pot smoke (just being at a party will do it). That said, I still believe in at least decriminalizing it (alcohol is much, much worse as a toxin). I wouldn't have believed her complete breakdowns as I'm from the "laughing and munching while watching reefer madness reels in the '70s" generation but having watched her deterioration first-hand over the last 6 yrs, it can happen. Its precise effects in/on schizophrenia is controversial, as the abstract below shows:

Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2009 Mar 27.
The role of cannabis in cognitive functioning of patients with schizophrenia.
Schnell T, Koethe D, Daumann J, Gouzoulis-Mayfrank E.

Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, University Hospital of Cologne, Kerpener Str. 62, 50924, Cologne, Germany, thomas.schnell@uk-koeln.de.

RATIONALE: Cognitive deficits are commonly found both in patients with schizophrenia (SCH) and in people with cannabis use disorders (CUD). Surprisingly, some small recent studies reported better cognitive performance in SCH patients with comorbid cannabis use disorders (SCH + CUD) compared to other SCH patients. OBJECTIVES: The aim of the present study was to investigate the residual impact of CUD and specific patterns of consumption on cognition in a larger sample of SCH + CUD patients. METHODS: We administered a cognitive test battery to 34 SCH and 35 currently abstinent SCH + CUD patients. We explored the association between patterns of cannabis consumption and cognitive performance. Potential confounds with influence on cognitive ability were assessed and controlled for. RESULTS: SCH + CUD patients had poorer academic achievements and lower vocabulary scores, but they performed better in tests of verbal and working memory, visuomotor speed and executive function (p < .05). More frequent cannabis use was associated with better performance in attention and working memory tasks. CONCLUSIONS: Although our findings might be interpreted as beneficial effect of cannabis use on cognition in patients with schizophrenia, we favorise an alternative interpretation: in our view, the better cognitive functioning of SCH + CUD patients may rather reflect a relatively lower vulnerability to psychosis compared to the SCH group. Lower vulnerability may correspond to a higher level of functioning such as cognitive ability. This conclusion is consistent with the view of cannabis playing a critical role in the manifestation of psychosis in at least some of the SCH + CUD patients.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:18 PM
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108. NOPE. Correlation IS NOT CAUSATION.
I am so sick of ignorance like yours!

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:59 AM
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96. What research as been reported of Pot being more beneficial then say...Valium or other meds?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:13 PM
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101. One of these days I'm going to get the nerve to buy some pot
for my health. I'm such a chicken. :rofl:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:30 AM
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110. it's also enjoyable while listening to music.. nt
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 12:31 AM by G_j
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:16 PM
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106. It also helps with cataracts too..
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 06:23 PM by and-justice-for-all
some time ago, I saw a documentary and they made these eye drops that had THC or some other cannabis things in it. When used, it helped to either heal the cataract completely or relieve the pain or irritation from them.

Marijuana is good for all kinds of things. Big Pharma hates it and they help to fund that "war on drugs", the unperscribed kind anyway; I am surprised that we can even buy vitamin supplements..But Marijuana helps relieve pain and gives those who would otherwise not eat due to their treatments an appetite.

Its so fucked up that people will those who smoke pot "drug addicts" but when it comes to BigPharma drugs they put the blame on the meds for their addiction. More people die from BigPharma drugs then anyone ever will from smokin a fatty!
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