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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:59 PM
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GM preparing for possible bankruptcy: report
Source: MarketWatch

The U.S. Treasury is directing General Motors Corp. to lay the groundwork for a bankruptcy filing by a June 1 deadline, despite GM's public contention that it could still reorganize outside court, the New York Times reported Sunday, citing unnamed people with knowledge of the plans.

Members of President Obama's automotive task force are holding ongoing meetings and conference calls with GM officials and their advisers in Detroit and Washington, the report said, with the goal to prepare for a fast "surgical" bankruptcy.

The preparations are aimed at assuring a GM bankruptcy filing is ready if the company is unable to reach agreement with bondholders to exchange roughly $28 billion in debt into equity in GM and to get needed concessions from the United Automobile Workers union, the report said.

One plan under consideration would create a new company that would buy the "good" assets of GM almost immediately after the carmaker files for bankruptcy, the newspaper reported. Less desirable assets, including unwanted brands, factories and health-care obligations, would be left in the old company, which could be liquidated over several years, it said.

Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/GM-preparing-possible-bankruptcy-report/story.aspx?guid=%7B9BE2FACB%2DAE20%2D4915%2DACC0%2D382664116BBC%7D&dist=hplatest



‘Surgical’ Bankruptcy Possible for G.M.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/business/13gm.html?_r=1&hp
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:02 AM
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1. Still??? Sounds like cheney the dick's "last throes" already. nt
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:04 AM
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2. Disgusting...
"One plan under consideration would create a new company that would buy the "good" assets of GM almost immediately after the carmaker files for bankruptcy, the newspaper reported. Less desirable assets, including unwanted brands, factories and health-care obligations, would be left in the old company, which could be liquidated over several years, it said."
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:18 AM
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3. I know I will get flamed for this
But this is exactly why I was NOT in favor of giving GM the loans some demanded. We all knew that they were going to either pull bankruptcy, and/or sell off to the Chinese. The only way to stop GM from gutting itself is to follow Michael Moore's plan, and directly BUY THE STOCK. If we just nationalize without buying them out, they will cry foul, but if they get cut by the same stock market sword they lived by, they will have less to complain about.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 09:26 AM
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17. Er, the Obama admin is forcing GM into bankruptcy. GM fought this tooth and nail..
:hi:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:54 AM
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21. The UAW Should Buy Them Out
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:54 AM by AndyTiedye
At GM's current market cap, the UAW could buy a controlling interest.
With the likely impact of bankruptcy on UAW members and pensioners,
they should seriously consider this.


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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:49 AM
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4. Thank you Boomers and Republicans
:eyes:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:18 AM
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5. Not all of us Boomers were responsible for this crap.
Would you blame All Americans for voting in the Raygun and bush? If so, then you are as much to blame for our current situation as the rest of us.

I never voted for a Repulicon, ever. I went to a lot of protests in order to prevent the bush from destroying this country but of course no one was listening. I tried my best to keep the Republicons from doing what they did.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:13 AM
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14. .
:eyes: yourself.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:51 AM
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15. Thank you
Gen. exers.( a generation of slackers ), and your Republican family for the destuction of the middle class. Job well done.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:05 PM
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25. Oh please
If you really want to get nasty about it, one thing has not changed for 30 years, the boomers were, are and will continue to be, the dominant demographic, which means they had the actual power. The reason we get called Gen X is because our numbers were too small to make much of a dent. As for as slackers go, we were too busy working, because unlike the boomers, we were NOT given a good economy by our parents. Now, do I blame all Boomers, no. I do realize there were some who really did fight the good fight, and still do, but we get really tired of the way that some former "hippies" still demand offering at their altar, while hiding the fact they became mercenaries of the worst order, doing things even their parents would have thought to be too greedy (such as blowing their savings on the stock market without being able to decipher CNBC.)

Oh, and the Obama admin did NOT force GM, if so, why the hell were they talking bankruptcy a year ago, back when one of the GOp talking points was that they should be allowed to do so. You think GM has not been greasing these wheels for a while? Did you forget how Mitt Romney would get on Fox news and make the case that only by allowing bankruptcy would GM be able to kill the unions? But no, some of the Union types here are falling right into the GOP trap, by offering to help their CEO masters stay warm in their chairs provided the unions get their cut, instead of putting pressure on to take OVER detroit, as Moore ( a guy who knows a thing or two about GM) has advocated.
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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6. Treasury Is Said to Warn G.M. of Bankruptcy Risk
Source: New York Times

By MICHELINE MAYNARD and MICHAEL J. de la MERCED
Published: April 13, 2009
DETROIT - The Treasury Department is directing General Motors to lay the groundwork for a bankruptcy filing by a June 1 deadline, despite G.M.'s public contention that it could still reorganize outside court, people with knowledge of the plans said during the weekend.
Members of President Obama's automotive task force spent last week in meetings and on conference calls with G.M. officials and its advisers in Detroit and Washington.

Those talks are expected to continue this week.

The goal is to prepare for a fast "surgical" bankruptcy, the people who had been briefed on the plans said. G.M., which has been granted $13.4 billion in federal aid, insists that a quick restructuring is necessary so its image and sales are not damaged permanently.


The preparations are aimed at assuring a G.M. bankruptcy filing is ready should the company be unable to reach agreement with bondholders to exchange roughly $28 billion in debt into equity in G.M. and with the United Automobile Workers union, which has balked at granting concessions without sacrifices from bondholders.


Read more: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=B52AFFE6F21C2083413072071449C006.w5?a=354711&f=19
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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7. Who Invests in GM Bonds?
Hope not the GM pension fund.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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8. Once the bankruptcy occurs...
they will break the union :(
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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9. not necessarily
the 'follow on' GM will have to hire somebody
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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10. so "Full pay to the last day" is a better outcome?
the last day being some time in September...
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:24 AM
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13. Bingo and don't forget about destroying the legacy Health Care and Pensions.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:10 AM
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11. Article not found :(
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:22 AM
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12. My problem with this whole deal is why is the Treasury directing them?
Why isn't the treasury directing AIG into Bankruptcy?
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:12 AM
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19. I want to know why too
I guess the Wall Street double standard continues.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:26 PM
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28. Ready to get screwed again here in Michigan. No one will tell us why.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:58 AM
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16. So Obama gives out millions of dollars to greedy bankers who turn around and squander it by giving
themselves huge fat bonuses, and by-the-way, are the same damn people who caused this mess in the first place, and yet, let one of the few industries that actually still produces something of value in this country fall to the way side, this is a recipe for insanity and failure.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 09:39 AM
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18. As long as GM is forced to honor pensions (remember that banks had 'contracts' to keep?) then fine.
The reason GM is considering bankruptcy is to walk away from pensions. Of course, they would deny this. So, let any bankruptcy agreement stipulate that GM honor all pensions in the future and see what they do then.

GM has invested billions overseas, in Brazil, in China, in Europe, and has let their North American plants and development
labs fall by the wayside. GM is just acting like a corporation---maximizing shareholder return no matter what.

In the future, especially if GM goes bankrupt, we will still see the GM marque in the US, but the cars will be built
in countries where it has invested its billions. GM US will be an importer, not a domestic manufacturer of large
scale (other than military vehicles and systems).

Right now, ask yourself: what is America's business plan? The answer is, NAFTA, outsourcing, etc. No plans
to make America viable again, only to dismantle it. And to allow the financial industry to continue as it
has been---with our backing. "Financial health care" from us, but no health care for us.

eom
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:14 AM
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20. I hate that GM is being directed into bankruptcy
but we all know it's coming and I wish they would get it over with already.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:58 AM
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22. Rahm et al. are trying to figure out how Obama can win in '12 without Michigan.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:06 PM
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23. Well, I guess it depends on how this works out
If by 2012, the auto industry and MI are doing better, it may not be a big deal for Obama. If MI faces the kind of misery I think it might, Obama could be in trouble. Not only could Michigan be lost but so could IN and OH, which have the second and third most US auto jobs. I hope Obama knows what he's doing because I would be angry if my state votes for Palin in 2012.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:48 PM
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24. Not to mention the upcoming Governor's race.
Michigan is over-run with DLCers.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:14 PM
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27. If Obama breaks the UAW, he has no chance at Michigan, regardless of the state of the economy. nt
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IrishBuckeye Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:31 PM
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29. I see Obama losing Ohio as well.
Obama told union workers he would work for them, now he's asking the middle class to make more painful concessions while he treats those in charge of the banks with kid gloves.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:41 PM
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31. You bet, and Michigan will never trust the Dems again.
They'd rather have the GOP LIE to their face than play the game this Administration has with their lives.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:13 PM
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26. It makes me ill, all the way down here in south Texas.
I love GM products. My GM vehicles have been great.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:39 PM
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30. Wall Street and the bankers get HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars
and the Domestic auto industry and the UAW get a sharp stick in the eye.


Something tells me Obama won't be getting very much Union support in 2010 for local candidates who support this, or in 2012. And this Union member may just sit the elections out too. I am disgusted.
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IrishBuckeye Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:44 PM
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32. I'm giving Obama more time to see exactly what a 'BK by scalpel' would do to the union
We should have more details in the next couple of weeks, I'm holding my fire for the most part until then.
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