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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:22 AM
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Pakistani Taliban begin imposing rule in new area (Buner, 60 mi. frm Islamabad)
Source: Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani Taliban are imposing their rule in a Pakistani mountain valley they took over last week, spreading fear in the area only 100 km (60 miles) from the capital, police and residents said on Monday.

Surging militant violence across Pakistan and the spread of Taliban influence through the northwest are reviving concerns about the stability of the nuclear-armed U.S. ally.

Pakistan is crucial to U.S. efforts to stabilize neighboring Afghanistan but the government has been unable to check militant attacks in its cities let alone stop insurgents crossing into Afghanistan from border strongholds to battle Western forces.

Clashes erupted in Buner district last week after scores of Taliban moved in unopposed from the neighboring Swat valley, where authorities struck a deal with Islamists in February to enforce Islamic law in a bid to end violence.



Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53C1F820090413
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:16 AM
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:42 AM
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2. Pakistani police told to give Taliban a free hand
Source: Telegraph (UK)

Pakistani government officials have told police to allow Taliban militants a free hand in a district they captured last week.

By Ashfaq Yusufzai in Buner and Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad
Last Updated: 5:17PM BST 13 Apr 2009

The presence of the militants has spread fear in the area only 60 miles from the capital, Islamabad.
Clashes erupted in Buner district last week after scores of Taliban moved in unopposed from the neighbouring Swat valley, where authorities struck a deal with Islamists in February to enforce Islamic law in a bid to end violence.

"We have been instructed by the government to stay away from Taliban as they are our guests and should be allowed to walk around the marketplace", said, a police officer in Pir Baba police station in Buner district. He said he had been told that any action against the Taliban could derail peace process.

Buner residents formed a militia, or "lashkar", to resist the militants and 13 people, including eight Taliban, three policemen and two villagers, were killed in clashes.

Authorities say they are negotiating with the militants to persuade them to withdraw but the Taliban have stayed put and appeared determined to take over the valley, police said. "They are everywhere," said Arsala Khan, a deputy superintendent of police. "They are visiting mosques, they are visiting bazaars asking people to help them in enforcing sharia," he said.

"Buner is fast turning into Swat," he added.


Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5149310/Pakistani-police-told-to-give-Taliban-a-free-hand.html




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Steel Pulse Band Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:03 PM
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3. Are Sovereigns More Risk Averse than Insurgents?
Are Sovereigns More Risk Averse than Insurgents?

xref: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/world/asia/14punjab.html?hp

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#250 of 251: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (06:51 PM)

Coventina (1000+ posts) Mon Apr-13-09 11:22 AM
Original message
Pakistani Taliban begin imposing rule in new area (Buner, 60 mi. frm
Islamabad)

Source: Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani Taliban are imposing their rule in a
Pakistani mountain valley they took over last week, spreading fear in
the area only 100 km (60 miles) from the capital, police and residents
said on Monday.

=================NH:
xref: Washington, DC as the former murder capitol of the US, and
perhaps the world, circa 1994. So, Make Swat, the Lichtenstein of South
Asia? xref: above comment re: pride of ownership breeding conservatism
(risk averse behavior), while desperation of being the "under dog"
breeds risk seeking behavior.

Also note: *because the onlythng more vulnerable than a newborn, is a
newborn born early. (Find out more) PHILIPS; xref: Bundling Clicks into
advertising buying groups.
============Null Hypothesis//

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#253 of 253: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (07:26 PM)

Looking for citation re: your phone call to Lichtenstein after the G20
meeting, Gordon. Found: "...considered as tax dodgers' havens:
Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein , Monaco."

So, should SWAT valley become a tax dodgers' haven? Ironic twist on
"safe haven" and a prayer for "equity only" investors who will pay the
annual Islamic Zakat charity to the mosque, OR, pay a tax in lieu of
zakat; xref: "tax deductible charities" in the western tradition: yet
another foundation unattributed to the alpha-numeric nomads of Abraham.

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#254 of 255: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (07:41 PM)

Reuters continues: "...Surging militant violence across Pakistan and the spread of Taliban
influence through the northwest are reviving concerns about the
stability of the nuclear-armed U.S. ally."

======NH:
Should a confederation of independent nations be formed? Of what size?
900,000 square miles is a size of many nations.
Look it up again...

East Afghanistan and West Pakistan border area?


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#255 of 255: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (07:51 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_area


151 El Salvador 21,041 8,124 0.01%
152 Israel 22,072 8,522 0.01% Including East Jerusalem and the Golan
Heights; excluding the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
153 Slovenia 20,273 7,827 0.01%

228 Gibraltar 6 2.3 <0.01% British Overseas Territory claimed by
Spain. Smallest country or territory with an (international) airport in
the world.
229 Pitcairn Islands 5 1.9 <0.01% British Overseas Territory and
smallest dependent territory of the world.
230 Monaco 1.95 0.75<24> <0.01% Smallest UN member state, second
smallest country of the world and in Europe. Smallest country in the
world that borders sea (and another country). Most densely populated
sovereign country.
231 Vatican City 0.44 0.17 <0.01% Smallest country in the world. Home
of the Pope and the governing body of the Roman Catholic Church.

========NH:
So a half dozen independent nations could be formed. Those who
wanted to leave could. Amish Homeland. American Indian Native
Reservations, but with rights.

So the recent Shari law about marriages in Afghanistan, did you
anticipate this, President brother Karzi, et al, and make a strong mark
on public consciousness to preclude letting such fundamentalists
govern themselves?

Or would part of the treaty to give sovereignty to these "Old Fashion"
safe havens be that ANYONE who wants to leave is permitted to leave?
Without retribution to who stays? (Xref: current Japanese extradition
case where illegal Phillipino teen age girl is deciding to stay despite
the deportation of her parents) Violation of of that one rule: The
Right to Leave; xref: The Right of Return; xref: Islamic Divorce law
permits the woman to leave; but battered women often blame
themselves...

Well... little by little, bit by bit...
=========Null Hypothesis/


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#256 of 256: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (08:00 PM)

Pakistan is crucial

========NH:
xref: a lot of RAM being used.
=======NH//

to U.S. efforts to stabilize neighboring Afghanistan but the
government has been unable to check militant attacks in its cities let
alone stop insurgents crossing into Afghanistan from border strongholds
to battle Western forces.

=========NH:
BUT if they have their own nation(s), THEN rather than risk loosing
them, might they join a peaceful political process OUTside their
Sovereign lands, while resting assured they have their own rule of law
INSIDE their sovereign lands, as long as they can do a good enough job
so everyone doesn't leave.

Also xref: the force of public opinion when Imam from Egypt, or Iran,
or the US come to visit and demonstrate the hierarchy of Islamic laws;
xref: "siratal l-ladzeena an amta alayhim, grayhill maughdubi alayhim
wa lad dallleeen. Ameen. Five to fifteen times a day: "Thy straight way
that is known to us by the confidence of countenance of rhythm and
bearing and demeanor of those who are not tormented and who torment
others not," Five times a day, the conclusion of El Fatiah, The Lord's
Prayer in Arabic.
===============Null Hyhpothesis//

Clashes erupted in Buner district last week after scores of Taliban
moved in unopposed from the neighboring Swat valley, where authorities
struck a deal with Islamists in February to enforce Islamic law in a
bid to end violence.

=============NH:
So, peaceful electoral politics outside agreed upon boundaries,
Sovereign Authority inside, but anyone is free to leave without
retribution of any kind on anyone plaintively]
================Null Hypothesis//


SOURCE:

US President Obama Discussed G20 London Summit | NowPublic News ...
Apr 3, 2009 ... President Obama held a press conference hours after
the G20 Summit was .... where he will join other NATO leaders at a
summit marking the 60th anniversary of the ... considered as tax
dodgers' havens: Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein , Monaco. ...
President Obama and PM Brown Held Press Conference ...
www.nowpublic.com/world/us-president-obama-discussed-g20-london-
summit - 74k - Cached - Similar pages -

SEARCH CHRONOLOGY (extra credit. Listed for information theory
purposes only)

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#252 of 253: William Hale (hinging0) Mon 13 Apr 2009 (07:19 PM)

G20 Summit, Expenses, G20 Protests, Obama, Gordon Brown
Apr 1, 2009 ... After months of debate the final few days of waiting
are upon us before the ..... The more Gordon Brown gives the impression
of wanting to kick the .... White House includes sex hotline in
Hillary Clinton contact details ...... its eyes and invites Olivia
Lichtenstein (married with children aged 15 ...
www.britishblogs.co.uk/theme/g20-summit-expenses-g20-protests-obama-
gordon-brown/ - 139k - Cached - Similar pages -

============NH:
xref: detroit
=========NH//
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