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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:32 AM
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IBM to cut `thousands’ of jobs
Source: Bloomberg

13 Apr, 2009, 1006 hrs IST,Bloomberg

LONDON: International Business Machines Corp plans to cut “thousands” of staff in the UK, Germany and Ireland as it shifts jobs to eastern Europe, China, India and South America, the Observer reported.

Job reductions have already been carried out in western Europe and more will be made within months, the newspaper said, citing Lee Conrad of Alliance@IBM, a network for company employees.

Indian workers at the company earn about 10 per cent of the amount paid to US employees performing similar tasks, according to the newspaper.

An IBM official told the Observer that a number of US employees have been laid off, declining to comment on future job reductions.

London-based IBM spokesman Joe Hanley said IBM declined to comment on “speculation regarding resource actions.”


Read more: http://infotech.indiatimes.com/News/More-job-cuts-at-IBM/articleshow/4393987.cms



IBM....Going cheaper, yet.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:43 AM
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1. Race to the bottom.
Let IBM ask eastern Europe, China, India and South America for bailouts.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:46 AM
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3. This will come back to bite them eventually
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:44 AM
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2. rr donnelley moved it`s printing plant from ireland to poland
cheaper labor in poland and the rest of eastern europe
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:01 AM
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4. You know they may have something there - if CEO/CFO/COO/Upper Management
could be moved overseas and paid 10% of what they're being paid here - somehow I don't think that would fly...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:05 AM
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5. They're not cuts - they're off-shoring
New slogan: Big Business - Transforming the entire world into the Dominican Republic
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:11 PM
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8. "Big Business - Transforming the entire world into the Dominican Republic"
Interesting. Why the DR?

Just curious...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:36 PM
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10. Actually Bangladesh is already taken
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:04 PM
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17. It just popped into my head as a place where peasants work for subsistence
and have minimal say over their conditions. Insert your own 3rd-world country.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:23 AM
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6. IBM is merely following the salary gradient to lower paid areas of the world.
Which is how the company is attempting to reduce its 'people costs.'

The US is being abandoned because its entitlement programs cost too much,
and corporate taxes (national and local) are too high compared to cheaper
parts of the world. The US will need to adjust it's costs downward and pay has to
drop before we will see any investment here in the future.

The corporation is like a robot--seeking all possible ways to maximize shareholder return. Remember
in the late 70's and 80's it was the 'move to the US South' that accomplished this, causing
the rust belt? Today, its the same thing only out of the country entirely. The entire US is the
rust belt now.

Corporations apparently are not bound by US law regarding outsourcing and shutting down
plants, so they do it. Sure, someday this might turn around, but not in my life time as long
as current trade policies and corporate rules exist.

We employees get to endure 'market forces,' while the corporations get bailouts, and socialized welfare (call it health care for corporations).

America has no business plan, other than to outsource and move plants and labs off shore.



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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:42 PM
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11. Which is why we need to seriously regulate corporations -- to prevent this
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:51 PM
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13. By Doing This, They're Killing Their Consumers As Well
These global corps keep making one fatal mistake: they assume that the level of consumption will remain the same or be even higher in the markets whereby they're removing the jobs from. Companies, like IBM, are counting on consumers having easy access to cheap debt to finance purchases of their products.

Look at the Nasdaq. We're entering 10 years of massive and aggressive outsourcing of IT jobs to India, yet the NASDAQ is still nowhere near what it was before the dot com crash in 2000 when it was at 5000.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:58 AM
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7. "Indian workers at the company earn about 10 per cent " . . .
of the amount paid to US employees performing similar tasks, according to the newspaper" . . .

and so it goes . . . manufacturing is already gone, IT is well on the way . . . with this kind of differential, pretty soon there won't be any U.S. jobs left other than food service, retailing, and trash collection . . .
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:35 PM
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14. and prison guards
serf time.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:34 PM
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9. To the greatest. n/t
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:43 PM
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12. Another glimmer of hope for the economy, right. nt
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:48 PM
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15. Flow diagram
Jobs and wages => out
Easy credit => in
= financial meltdown
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:56 PM
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16. No Jobs = No Recovery. n/t
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