What's a nice girl like you doing with an arsenal like this? Police seize 20-year-old guarding vast

[RamboLiberal]

Source: Daily Mail

Smirking for the camera, this is the 20-year-old woman Mexican police caught guarding an extraordinary arsenal of weapons.

Anahi Beltran Cabrera was seized during a routine patrol in Sonora state, near the U.S. border.

Officers recovered a vast cache of weapons including an anti-aircraft gun capable of firing 800 shots per minute, a number of rifles and an array of ammunition.

They believe the haul belongs to a group allegedly linked to the powerful Beltan Leyva drug cartel.

Cabrera was paraded before the media - along with the weapons she was caught guarding.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1170064/Whats-nice-girl-like-doing-arsenal-like-Police-seize-20-year-old-guarding-vast-weapons-cache--including-anti-aircraft-gun.html

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[Aviation Pro]

1. Looks like Sarah Connor's cache in Terminator 2....

....

[slackmaster]

5. Not even close

Sarah Connor's cache was much more impressive.

[Aviation Pro]

7. Wrong photo....

...show the one when a young JC and the Terminator are inside the weapons pool.

[wuushew]

21. Here

[Aviation Pro]

47. Now thatsa weapons cache....

...and the irony is that Ahnold/Terminator is handling a Browning.

[slackmaster]

98. The one in the OP is nowhwere near vast - It's not even half vast

:D

[roody]

27. Too bad she smokes. Fuchi!

[Blandocyte]

63. She apparently has cancer

(the character, not the actress), so maybe smoking was part of the story line.

[Xithras]

2. Anti-aircraft gun? That's a Browning M1919

.30 Cal , and it mxes out at 600 r/m, not 800. It was designed in the early 20th century (1919, per the name) as an anti-infantry weapon. It would be pretty ineffective against aircraft unless you were VERY close.

Looking at that photo, I see five rifles, a machine gun, and a boatload of magazines. She's got me beat on the magazines and machine gun, but her "vast arsenal" is kinda small compared to mine otherwise.

[14thColony]

19. You read my mind,,,

I was expecting a 20mm or 30mm Oerlikon, not an M1919. I guess a smoothbore musket is an 'anti-aircraft weapon' too in that you can point it at the sky. Actually, you could point a musket at the sky better than an M1919 on a ground-mount tripod...

[DissedByBush]

22. You expected reporting about guns to be accurate?

I rarely see a story that doesn't contain at least one factual error, often purposeful in the pursuit of an anti-gun agenda.

[Bugenhagen]

25. Shame

I bet the cops are wearing masks mostly because they are embarrassed at the hype being generated over that "giant" stash of magazines. I am far from a gun nut, but this bust doesn't seem like something to got too proud over. I have fired an M1919 and it wouldn't be my weapon of choice for anything.

P.S. Please don't flame me. I know that police get killed these days by the busload in Mexico by drug lords or satanists or whoever. Now that I think about it, why are they in the photo at all?

[saigon68]

118. The masked cowards are there to "FIRE UP" the sheep

Its all propaganda bullshit on the part of the ruling class down there, to keep their boot heels on the necks of the peasants.

[boilinmad]

52. Proud to say...

...that I couldn't identify a single one of these disgusting killing devices! GUNS FUCKING SUCK

[Dogtown]

68. Tourettes?

[Xithras]

78. The BMG 1919 is one of the most famous machine guns in history.

It was the primary machine gun of the U.S. military throughout WW2. When you read stories about U.S. soldiers hunkered down in foxholes or bomb craters in the South Pacific, as they fought across Africa, or helped drive the Nazi's and fascists out of Europe, it was typically the M1919 that they were using to return heavy fire. It was the primary machine gun of the U.S. military from 1919 right up to the Vietnam War, and is a fairly storied and well known weapon.

[slackmaster]

100. Replaced by the M60, which had plenty of problems in its early years

I remember some colorful writing about it in a Soldier Of Fortune magazine once. Something about a quarter million of the finest weapons ever made (Browning 1919s) "...rot in cosmoline, while we safety-wire the dreadful M60 to keep it from shaking itself apart".

I must admit that reading that kind of stuff helped me become interested in firearms. I was actually assigned to read issues of SOF while I was working for a little company writing maintenance comics for the Army.

[slackmaster]

99. I don't really think ignorance is something to be proud of

Something to confess maybe, but with some humility and respect for people who do know something about the subject.

[Rage for Order]

106. LOL!

:eyes: :dunce:

[onehandle]

53. The article doesn't say that's the "anti-aircraft gun." You're assuming that's it. nt

[14thColony]

61. I they're displaying every single magazine they grabbed

I'm pretty sure a Bofors 40mm would be the centerpiece...

[slackmaster]

101. A high-ranking police official probably appropriated that for his own collection

Filthy bastages.

[quakerboy]

125. how about the .50 cal?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/0,5143,705297518,00.html

or how about

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090414/481/fcfde362b5c0438c8679913530fb3a58/

[Rebubula]

3. Sadly...

...I predict a short life for this one....

[slackmaster]

6. Yes, the Mexican "authorities" will soon lose all those weapons

They'll wind up back in the hands of one of the drug gangs.

[slackmaster]

4. That's a .30-caliber machine gun, not an anti-aircraft gun

There is a single-shot .50-caliber target rifle on the table in the second image, but the belted .50-caliber ammunition won't work in any weapon in either pic.

She's heavy on magazines and light on rifles (only one rifle in the second photo will accept those magazines).

[bagrman]

38. 308 or 30-06 30 cal slug though

[quakerboy]

126. there's more

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090414/481/fcfde362b5c0438c8679913530fb3a58/

[LanternWaste]

8. Not the kinda girl I would date...

Not the kinda girl I would date, but I'm sure there are plenty who would want to and get their hands on her arms...

[Endangered Specie]

51. hahaha, is that a banana clip in your pocket...

or are you just happy to see me?

[Ex Lurker]

9. anyone else notice

that helicopter has a flat rear tire. I guess "vast arsenal" is a bit of hyperbole, but a 30 cal machine gun will ruin anybody's day who isn't inside an armored vehicle. So she and whoever she was working for were clearly up to no good.

[slackmaster]

42. The machine gun is LOADED, and the belt of .50 BMG ammo is draped over a single-shot rifle

:crazy:

[BrightKnight]

56. I saw a SWAT team take out an 18 wheeler with a .50 BMG rifle.

They poped two rounds in it but I am sure that the first round did the trick.

Last I checked it was street legal and the NRA was still defending it. I am not sure why. Even a .375 H&H would be over the top for any game in North America.

[hack89]

62. How many crimes or murders have been committed by one?

perhaps that's why they are still legal - the threat they supposedly represent is purely imaginary.

[Blandocyte]

64. Gun Nuts Will Tell You

that such armament is necessary for the coming zombie wars.

[slackmaster]

105. Damn straight

Welcome to DU.

[slackmaster]

66. The Second Amendment is not about hunting

.50 caliber is the largest that is not regulated under the National Firearms Act. Congress drew the line there in 1934, at which time the .50 BMG already existed.

Last I checked it was street legal and the NRA was still defending it. I am not sure why.

I own a .50 BMG rifle. It's purpose is long-range target shooting. I mounted mine on a machine gun tripod for stability. It's very, very accurate, and expensive to shoot.

http://members.cox.net/slack/images/AR-50_+_slack.jpg

[Mr. Hyde]

74. fucking awsome dude.

Nice M249 in the back there too. I would probably crop that out of the picture if I were posating it publically along side a picture of myself. That's just me though.

[slackmaster]

77. The M249 is (or was) legally owned by a machine gun dealer/SOT in Nevada

It's nothing to be ashamed of. (And a lot of fun to shoot while running and screaming.)

[Blandocyte]

76. Now there's

a round you reload, eh?

[slackmaster]

103. That's for sure

I don't even own a press for it yet. I bought about 600 rounds of ammunition at a discount, and it's taking a LOOOONG time to use it up. But I will have plenty of reloadable brass.

[BrightKnight]

86. LOL - When you absolutely, positively have to take out materiel or a cop with body armor. - n/t

[slackmaster]

102. I am quite sure that a round to the engine of any vehicle would stop it quickly

But so far I've only needed it for paper targets, gongs, and fruits or vegetables loaded with explosive target markers.

[X_Digger]

73. Breaking News: Remington releases .499 cal rifle..

Luckily we don't have to justify the use of a legal weapon- it's up to those who want to infringe them to justify why they should be restricted.

[NickB79]

84. What's funny is that Barrett Firearms did just that in California

California banned the .50 BMG a few years ago, so Barrett created a new cartridge and rifles for it in .416 caliber.

The kicker is that, with modern bullets and gunpowder, the round is MORE powerful and accurate than the .50 BMG was, despite shooting a slightly smaller bullet!

[X_Digger]

85. Too funny! n/t

[slackmaster]

104. There is also a round that is .50 caliber but the case is one millimeter shorter than .50 BMG

The law banning .50 BMG rifles in California provides the physical dimensions of loaded ammunition for the prohibited rifles.

[damntexdem]

10. Yes, so very nice.

Must we assume that this is the entire arsenal?

In any case, there are other arsenals; and some of the ammo could have been meant to replenish them.

[slackmaster]

11. Why would they bother taking a picture of part of the arsenal after arranging all that stuff?

And leave out the best piece of it?

:shrug:

[LanternWaste]

43. Biggest/best pieces undergoing forensic testing?

Biggest/best pieces undergoing forensic testing not available locally? Not my answer of course. I'd spend all day guessing.

I imagine there are many answers and that at best, even the brightest among us could only hazard guesses regarding their absence or their presence.

[slackmaster]

44. The text didn't say anything about a .30 caliber machine gun

It only mentioned ONE automatic weapon, which was not pictured.

I don't believe in coincidences like that. The whole thing has a phony air to it. Many things in the photos look wrong to me.

[Politicalboi]

12. I bet she won that

Helicopter in the Pepsi contest years ago. It was a second place prize. :sarcasm: Someone had already won the jet.

[Ian David]

13. Hey, she's actually kind of cute. n/t

[14thColony]

20. and she packs heat

I dig chicks with crew-served weaponry...

[TheCML]

29. I agree

There is something about that smirk like she doesnt give a fuck that I like, I guess it explains my poor choices in relationships.

[Blue_Tires]

82. she knows thanks to the publicity she can make thousands on the

'bikini chicks with guns' video circuit.... she'll never have to be a pawn in the border drug wars again...(at least for a year or two)...

[Warpy]

14. Our tax dollars at work

I would imagine quite a bit of it originated with the Contras and other anti democracy actions by the US in Central and South America.

I'm glad this shit is off the street for now. I'm afraid there's probably a lot more where it came from.

[knixphan]

72. ditto.

[riverdeep]

114. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Just like drug seizures are only the tip of the iceberg.

[Xenotime]

15. Gun fundies must love this chick.

[Tim01]

17. Yeah, she's pretty hot.

[rollingrock]

50. So are the two female federales standing next to her

[Mr. Hyde]

70. I know right. It's like I'm completely torn between the three. I wouldn't trust any of them though.

[villager]

18. She tried to stand up to the "gun grabbers!"

But was left with just a smirk, instead...

[DissedByBush]

26. Gun fundie?

I like to talk a lot so I guess I'm a free speech fundie too.

I'm also a peaceable assembly fundie.

I'm a Fifth Amendment fundie even for the guys in Guantanamo.

Come to think of it, I'm a fundie for all of our civil rights.

Proud to be a fundie!

[benEzra]

39. The officer on the right is much hotter...

Beautiful eyes, beautiful hair, confident, and she has to be smart, brave, and no-nonsense to be in her line of work. (Darn balaclava! but I understand why she's wearing it.)

[Tim01]

16. Where is the arsenal?

Ok, the machine gun is impressive. And that thing under the machine gun MIGHT be something impressive. But other than that, any house in American might have this much stuff. Especially since the threats of the Assault Weapons Ban has everybody buying 10 times as much as they ever planned to prior to the first AWB.

[slackmaster]

23. The thing under the machine gun looks like a 40 mm grenade launcher

Another diverted military weapon, not available on the civilian market, and without grenades it's basically just a hollow tube.

[scrinmaster]

36. A company near me makes a 37mm flare launcher that looks like an M203.

[slackmaster]

110. A friend of mine has one mounted on his AR-15

They are of limited amusingness. You can only shoot flares from them, and you have to be very careful with those in California.

Big parachute flares are a whole lot more fun than the 37 mm things.

[bagrman]

37. That 40mm tube needs to be attached to somthing, or else it's no use.

Seems like a bunch of unrelated crap to show that there is a way out of control problem. She's smirking cause it's just a roll for her to play.

[DissedByBush]

24. Two BB guns = an arsenal

It's the loaded language of those with an agenda to strip others of their rights.

[SKKY]

28. Does anyone else get highly arroused by the top picture...

Mmmmmm. I do.

[tabasco]

30. She's hot!

So are the cops!!!

[quakerboy]

127. In that "I would kill you and not think twice" kinda way?

Not really my deal, but much luck to you.

[ohio2007]

31. Not very good at guarding the depot now was she..what was she good at ?

[martymar64]

75. She'll likely be dead soon.

Her employers won't look kindly on her losing their weapons.
I'll give her a year before she's occupying a hole in the desert.

[lutefisk]

81. And she looks like she knows it.

[tomm2thumbs]

32. we need to do this sort of thing - show the captures better

will give people the idea that things are getting done vs. nothing when they don't see nuffin

[riverdeep]

115. The problem is, as soon as you capture one, ten more come in

to take their place. This is the folly of trying to control the drug supply.

[NickB79]

33. Other than the machine gun, that is not a "vast arsenal" (6 guns, ~1000 rd of ammo)

The 2nd photo shows a Barrett .50-cal rifle, the Browning .30-cal MG, what might be an underbarrel grenade launcher for an M-16 (or it could be the civilian-legal 37mm flare launcher sold in the US), a match-grade AR-15 (not even a "tactical" version), an AK clone, a bolt-action deer rifle, and what might be a World War I era Springfield bolt-action .30-06 rifle!

[NickB79]

34. I wonder if she bought the machine gun at a Virginia gun show?

:evilgrin:

[ohio2007]

35. Those don't look like "american made magazines" for american assault rifles

But China has been recently bragging about how their weapons are ready to make their mark in the world ;)

Hey

At least there is no mistaking that helicopter. It isn't a cheap knock off

[slackmaster]

41. Those are standard magazines for AK type rifles

Certainly not made in the USA.

[X_Digger]

46. is it just me, or does the chopper have a flat tire? n/t

[slackmaster]

40. No doubt, and it was probably loaded like that when she bought it

;-)

[The abyss]

45. And we all are supposed to fear this because….?

Nice calls on the antique Browning! Personally, I loved the little “intrigue” to the mouth and eyes of the model!

This is called “cartoon news”. It was not supposed to be picked apart by people that actually know what they were looking at! This is custom designed to spread FEAR, but in a way that the soccer mommies and six-pack daddies can identify with.

Shame on you all for hinting there may be something behind that curtain!

[riverdeep]

116. This display almost certainly has an element of theater to it,

probably based on some falsities at that, but this is intended mostly for the Mexican audience, not the American. The citizens of Mexico are living in real fear, it's not manufactured in any way. Large swaths of Mexico are now under defacto cartel rule, and the reign is brutal. Tortured and mutilated bodies are being found everyday. These are either rivals or people who stood in the way. The latter includes police officers, government officials and ordinary citizens. Most Soccer moms and NASCAR dads have no idea what's going on in Mexico, or how American drug policy is fueling it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. I guarantee they bought that anti aircraft gun at a gun show in the United States.

[DissedByBush]

54. What anti-aircraft gun? n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

55. Officers recovered a vast cache of weapons including an anti-aircraft gun

Don't know how you missed that?

David

[DissedByBush]

94. None was in the photo

Never believe what you read especially on politically-charged issues.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

107. I was kidding.

Guess I should have included a sarcasm tag.

David

[DissedByBush]

129. Reminder to self

Turn brain on before posting.

[14thColony]

60. We were looking for it up-thread too.... nt

[Mr. Hyde]

69. I guarantee that if that is a full auto 1919 belt fed machine gun, they purchased it illegaly on the

streets of a city somewhere. It was probably a korean war vintage "trophy" smuggled back home by a us soldier after the war and was never registered with the BATF. If it was a semi-auto (which it doesn't look to be), they might have purchased it at a gun show but then it would hardly qualify as an anti-aircraft weapon. For that matter, calling an old M1919-A4 an antiaircraft weapon these days is quite an exaggeration. There are no modern military jet aircraft that this would be any kind of a threat to although helicopters might need to be concerned.

[solinvictus]

49. The Mexican government repossessed the weapons..

I guess someone didn't pay off the right official. These guns will wind up right back in a cartel's hands because Mexico's quickly becoming a failed state.

[pinniped]

57. Charles Bronson used the M1919 to wipe out the thugs in Death Wish III.

.

[Codeine]

58. Goodness, she's cute as hell. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. "a Browning .50 anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on a van"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j6zlb06QZ_w0xfai_KvYyUmzBqQQ

For those of you complaining it's only a .30 in the picture you saw.

[slackmaster]

67. LOL! Nobody would notice that driving down the highway

:rofl:

[chrisa]

80. Just a normal commute. nt

[NickB79]

83. Just a standard anti-tailgating device. Nothing to see here, move along

:)

[BrightKnight]

88. The only difference between that and a deer rifle is cosmetic. - n/t

[benEzra]

113. If it were NON-automatic, *magazine*-fed, were designed to fire from the *shoulder*,

were chambered for .30-06/.308/7.62x39mm, and were about 30 pounds lighter, you'd be right. But that's a belt-fed machinegun, as you well know...

[BrightKnight]

90. If it's converted to semi-automatic the NRA defend my right to own one? - n/t

[Pavulon]

93. You got cash and a clean record, you can own one.

lots of people do. They just dont use them in crime. NFA regulated M2 can be had for 50 - 75k. For a weapon that costs under a grand to make. You pay that money why fuck up your life using it in a crime?

That probably came STRAIGHT from their own arsenal. Guaran fuckin teed.

How many murders in Greenwich ct? I rest my case...

[slackmaster]

108. If it's converted to semiautomatic then it's legal to build or sell in California

I plan to build one some day from one of the parts kits I bought several years ago.

[benEzra]

111. Can't actually be converted to semiautomatic; a new semiauto-only receiver

has to be manufactured from scratch. The BATFE's rule is that if something was ever a machinegun, it is always a machinegun, regardless of its functional state.

Collectors can buy civilian semiauto-only MG lookalikes, though. Prices I've seen run around $3000-$4000, compared to $50,000 and up for a civilian-transferable Real Thing.

[slackmaster]

119. The only original part that cannot be used is the right side plate

You have to manufacture a new one for the semiautomatic configuration. It has a raised ridge to prevent installation of standard internals.

The internals require some modifications, including grinding away slots to match the ridge on the semiauto right side plate.

[benEzra]

120. Ah, not a 1-piece receiver. Makes sense.

I assume the right side plate is the serial numbered part?

[slackmaster]

121. Yes, the right side plate is the numbered part - You don't get one with a parts kit

But you get everything else, pretty much completely disassembled. The really cool thing is that the right side plate is one of the simplest pieces of the weapon. The left side plate is much more complicated but still not too bad to make from scratch if you needed to. The trunion block is an investment casting that has some machine work. Other than the trunion, the only part that someone with a milling machine, lathe, grinder, heat-treating capability, and hand tools could not make would be the barrel.

The receiver consists of top, left, and bottom plates, and the trunion block. Those parts all rivet together. Rivet sets are widely available.

To assemble a 1919 receiver, the only tools you really need are an anvil and a ball pien hammer!

Rebuilding one is an interesting journey in which you follow the steps that John Moses Browning did when he developed the weapon. I have a partly completed 1919 (need to fabricate or buy a semiauto right side plate and fabricate or modify some of the internals). I have completed a slide and frame for a 1911 pistol.

The man loved key seat cutters and end mills. :D

[benEzra]

122. Cool! (n/t)

[Blandocyte]

65. Hmmm...Chix, Gunz,

Sure these aren't just some promo pics from a music video set? Heh.

[undeterred]

71. Girls just wanna have GUN

:hide:

[chrisa]

79. WTF? Is that a Browning?

:wtf:

[depakid]

87. This is going to get very interesting as PEMEX runs out of oil to export

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. And in the US the 2nd amendment says anyone can own that anti aircraft gun

[Raskolnik]

91. Really? Who is saying that?

First, to which "anti-aircraft" gun are you referring? As numerous people on this thread have pointed out, the weapon pictured appears to be a BMG 1919 .30 cal machine gun. Hardly an "anti-aircraft" gun.

Second, a machine gun such as the one pictured is highly regulated, and extremely rare, in the U.S. Only a relative handful of people have the licenses (not to mention the cash) necessary to own them.

[benEzra]

112. Someone hasn't read U.S. v. Heller...

and it's not an antiaircraft gun. It's an early post-WW1 anti-infantry gun, and as tightly restricted in the United States as a 105mm howitzer or a 500-lb bomb.

[friendly_iconoclast]

124. No harshing the mellow with pesky facts for you!

Do you hang out with the poster of #52, perchance?

boilinmad (234 posts) Tue Apr-14-09 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
52. Proud to say...
...that I couldn't identify a single one of these disgusting killing devices! GUNS FUCKING SUCK

[X_Digger]

92. What, did the grab-trolls just find this thread?? n/t

[DainBramaged]

95. "Grab-trolls"? I'd say lurking gun nut trolls is more appropo

That's a pretty lot of weapons for some of you to be masturbating over tonight.

[X_Digger]

109. All 9 of em?

1 m1919, 1 bolt action .50, 1 ar-15, 1 ak-clone, 2 bolt action hunting rifles, 1 40mm grenade launcher, and 1 actual machinegun mounted on an SUV (pictured elsewhere). And a crapload of magazines.

Gee, I have more than 9 weapons in my closet. Define 'pretty lot'.

[DainBramaged]

96. Amazing the news is from the UK............

[Raskolnik]

97. Why is that amazing? n/t

[riverdeep]

117. Strange, I don't find anything 'hot' about this picture.

I see a tragedy. I see the a nation turning into Somalia before our eyes. I see a young woman taking desperate measures to deal with her reality. When she is released, she will probably be killed, if not killed in custody. I see officers that are forced to wear masks because their lives, and the lives of their family, are in constant danger. I see a staged photo op done to try to reassure a terrified Mexican citizenry that the tide is turning. I see drug cartels that have amassed so much wealth, they can afford to buy massive arms.

Most of all, I see the continued stupidity of the drug war, and it's far reaching tentacles all over the world, from Afghanistan to Mexico.

[benEzra]

123. Agree on the stupidity of the War on Non-Approved Plants.

The United States was on the same path in the 1920's/1930's due to alcohol prohibition. But back then, legislators were apparently smart enough to realize it was making the problem worse, and decided to legalize and regulate instead.

[AnnieBW]

128. Kinda like Deputy Jo Lupo from "Eureka"

Or maybe Cameron from T:SCC.