Gov. Rick Perry: Texas Could Secede, Leave Union

[BlueJessamine]

Source: The Huffington Post

AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.

Perry repeated his running theme that Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states and with the "federal budget mess." Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package.

Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

[liberalmuse]

1. Please just STFU and do it already.

And take Mississippi and Alabama with you.

[dixiegrrrrl]

52. Hey !!!!! Leave Alabama alone...

Mississippi, now...that's a different story.

[Name removed]

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[ccinamon]

70. LOL...

I've always considered Texas home, even tho as an army brat I lived all over...I'm currently in the DFW area...I think your sentiment captures/sums up the wierdness that is Texas perfectly!

[AnneD]

150. I'd add...

and some are smart enough to get the joke.

And remember-don't mess with Texas and don't put your hand in the crazy.

Thanks for the laugh.

[xxqqqzme]

190. Heard Keith Olbermann repeat that quote last night.

He said a North Carolina Senator said it?

[LuckyTheDog]

93. All hat, no cattle

They don't have the guts.

[Burma Jones]

2. Bye Bye.....

[rfranklin]

3. Promises, promises....

How long before Texas is reunited with Mexico?

[missingfink]

40. Isn't there a secessionist movement in Alaska?

You know, the one in which the governor's husband is linked. If Alaska ever became independent of the the USA, how long would it take Russia to reclaim it? Same goes with Texas & Mexico. Do these people ever think before they speak?

[Liberal Veteran]

47. Given that the federal government owns approximately 60% of the land in Alaska...

....including pretty much all the petroleum producing areas and national parks. They can have a great deal of fun building their new economy on fishing.

[mitchum]

68. Don't forget the meth labs; they can be kinda lucrative

[X_Digger]

4. Wonder if they had to bus in the tea baggers..

Used to live in Austin, there aren't that many of that stripe local.

[pattmarty]

13. College town. Most of 'em are Liberal (thank God).

[Julius Civitatus]

5. WTF is wrong with these whinny morons?

Obama hasn't been in power for 100 days YET! And they are going absolutely nuts. Completely nuts. This is pure insanity.

[pattmarty]

22. I just came back from a "teabagger" and it wasn't pretty..................

................Had to come and take some of my Kalifornia medication to chill. I live in a Ar town of approx 12K people and if this was any indication of things to come, think Germany 1933.

[defendandprotect]

56. What understanding do they have of things? A Fox News understanding . .. ???

Or a progressive understanding?

[pattmarty]

108. Straight out of Fox and Limbaugh, really scary shit.

[defendandprotect]

166. Where were these idiots when Bush was blowing Clinton's surplus and bankrupting the Treasury????

[kentauros]

180. For that matter, when Poppyseed was blowing the Texas surplus

from Anne Richards and running up a 7 billion debt? Why didn't all those "fiscal conservatives" notice that right in our own state? Could have saved the country trillions and thousands of lives, here and abroad...

[bluestateguy]

6. Bye

nt

[Doctor_J]

7. Is there a web site where we can volunteer to help it happen?

That might be even more beneficial to the US than throwing the Gang Of Perverts out of office

[LiberalFighter]

46. My understanding that Texas could be divided into 5 states.

How about we split off the parts of Texas we don't want?

[Synicus Maximus]

65. Based on the treaty whenTexas joined the union

Texas can, by a vote of their legislature can separate into up to 5 states. That means the people of Texas could go from 2 senators to 10. Most of which would be repub.

[LiberalFighter]

82. That would also require the approval of Congress too I believe.

They should approve only and only if the state splits into 2 states with the preferable state remaining in the union and the other being annexed to Mexico.

[happyslug]

122. I Believe under the terms of the Act Annexing Texas, Congress has already gave its permission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

This is based on the wording of the joint resolution to annex Texas:

New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution.

Does this mean TEXAS can do so in its own, or can the Federal Government do so with the Consent of Texas? Texas did agree to its present Western Borders at the time of Annexation (Under the Texas Republic, Texas claimed as its Western Border the Rio Grand, which flows from Colorado through present day New Mexico before arriving at El Paso) but no States have been SOLELY formed out of the old Texas Republic. Interesting Question, but it is time for me to go to bed.

[LiberalFighter]

142. The key is under the provisions of the Federal Constitution.

Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

[No Elephants]

176. Congress consented over 100 years ago, though, when it consented to annexation of Texas.

[happyslug]

118. Depends on how you split Texas (and I heard it was four States NOT Five)

The confusion comes form the terms of the Act, Four ADDITIONAL states could be made out of Texas, total five.

The Issue becomes what areas go with what new State. If you divide Texas into Five states, one has to have the Rio Grand Valley, and that is a heavy Democratic Area (i.e. it will go Democratic). If you make the upper panhandle of Texas its own states, that would be Solid GOP. In effect those two areas offset each other.

That leaves the three population areas (Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth and San Antonio) the center of the remaining three states. Depending on where you put Austin can be a big difference (Austin with San Antonio could produce two Democrats, San Antonio is NOT that strongly FOP, but if you put Austin with Dallas, the much larger GOP vote in West of Dallas will offset the Democrats in Austin). Houston and East Texas is the big question. This is the most "Southern" area of Texas, and like the rest of the South still elects Democrats to local office, while voting GOP on the National and State Level. Right now East Texas votes GOP, but it also votes its pocketbook and if that means Democratic it will go Democratic way before Dallas and Dallas will go Democratic way before the areas to its west. You could end up with 8 Democratic Senators and 2 GOPS, just by keeping San Antonio and the Rio Grand as one State. Dallas and Austin as the Second, and Houston and East Texas as the Fourth. All COULD go Democratic, leaving Amarillo and West Texas to the GOP.

2004 map of Texas:
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/img.php?year=2004&st=TX&type=map&off=0&fips=48&elect=0

2008 Map:
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/img.php?year=2008&st=TX&type=map&off=0&fips=48&elect=0

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

Notice the Rio Grand valley is Solidly Democratic, but East Texas is blue (But the Blue is solid when you come to Dallas/Ft Worth and further west and the northern Panhandle).

Functional problems with breaking up Texas. State lines in the US rarely follow functional lines, the main reason is the lines were drawn for administrative ease NOT function and since the United States IS a united country not a problem. Functions that the states can NOT perform is done by the Federal Government, but function is HOW states SHOULD be formed, they are more effective if the form of the State follows geography of the area.

Texas is between two Rivers Systems, the Rio Grand to its south (and to a limited degree to its West), and the Mississippi River and the Red River that Flows into it. Any good division of Texas follows these two rivers and separates them from the rest of the State. The Rio Grand to the south (including all rivers that flows into the Rio Grand) and the Red River to the north including any rivers that flows into it. Those should be the first two states (And both new states would be better off if they also had the other side of each river in that new State, but need the Co-operation of Mexico and Oklahoma, co-operation that is unlikely).

The third state centers around Houston and its port. It is an alternative shipping port from New Orleans from anything coming down the Mississippi and thus looks to the Mississippi as its most important geographic feature (and that river is not even close to Texas let alone Houston). The fourth is Amarillo and the Northern Panhandle, it really does NOT belong with the Rest of Texas, and it really does not belong to any other state either. Leave it be on its own. That whatever is between these four other areas to remain as "Texas".

[DUlover2909]

215. Why do they have the colors backwards?

[No Elephants]

138. A great argument to look the other way when they secede. (If only Perry were honest!)

[Tx4obama]

72. grrrr...

Don't forget that about half of the people in Texas now are democrats.
Texas will be BLUE in the 2012 election.

[thebabbster]

85. up to my eyeballs in Neocons in Texas!

I sure hope so. These tea-baggings are starting to make me a little nervous. I have started to look for counter-protests. Then things would get interesting!

[defendandprotect]

168. Has Texas not lost jobs . . . I didn't think W was that kind to social programs etal???

[defendandprotect]

169. What woke them up, in particularly?

[New Dawn]

8. I'd love to see the entire Bible Belt secede.

:toast:

[Bigmack]

32. Oh YES!!!!

Can we send them money....can we do ANYTHING to help them along the road outa this poor beleaguered country?????? Ms Bigmack

[brentspeak]

92. .

:thumbsdown:

You seem not to be aware that millions of good people live in "the Bible Belt" -- and millions of idiots live outside of the Bible Belt.

[Jawja]

130. Well I think we did secede at one time

and it caused the Civil War.

[djg21]

143. The biggest mistake in the Country's history

was made by Lincoln. He should have let the South secede.

It's not too late

[Tempest]

9. Texas would be at the bottom of almost every category for countries

Health care, wages, standard of living, GNP, etc.

They would be near the top at high school dropout rates, teenage pregnancies, STDs, pollution, etc.

[Duer 157099]

10. Good! And take the Bushies with you too!

Good riddance.

[rucognizant]

31. TOO LATE!

They should have gone 9 or 10 years ago!

[pattmarty]

11. FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!! What is the Fed tax ratio vs return to the Lone Star State???

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

209. Get .88 for every dollar. They're a giver. nt

[DonCoquixote]

12. Folks

Keep in mind, that as many annoying Texans as there are, there are also many left wingers who would be hung if Texas actually did this. Would you abandon the likes of Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower to these folks?, or for that matter Austin?

[Doctor_J]

17. Umm, no. We would offer them asylum

Hightower and Steve Earle and the Austin Lounge Lizards and Joe Ely and Mike Papantonio and Bill Moyers and anyone else who wants to be part of BLUE-S-A would be welcome.

[billyoc]

98. Yes.

Molly Ivin's troubles are over, and Austin is a provinicial racist shithole of green boosterism, and petty bourgeois localism.

Hightower's on his own.

[DonCoquixote]

99. First off

Define petty Bourgeois, or do you mean the classical petit bourgeois?
Second, did you ever consider that while people up North are sitting comfortably, many of us in the South are fighting?
Last, did you ever consider that up north has plenty of GOP? I grew up in New Jersey, I KNOW they do.

[ceile]

160. What's your problem with Austin?

Got shot down hitting on some pretty sorority girl at a shot bar or something?
Get over yourself. Austin is a wonderful city.

[billyoc]

161. If anybody got shot down by a sorority girl in Austin it would be in LBN.

[ceile]

187. LOL!!

Very true!

[JVS]

205. HAhahahaahha!

[No Elephants]

162. They can emigrate. I suggest Southern California.

[pasto76]

14. so, Ft Hood and all the Federal assets would become Prop Of TX? I dont think so!

we fought this war already. They lost.

No president is going to allow them to just seize infrastructure vital top the rest of the country.

[Joey Liberal]

62. We can close the bases there nt

[Alamuti Lotus]

15. don't tease me if you don't intend to actually follow up!

[That Is Quite Enough]

16. The stoop-idity...it hurts! On the other hand...

Hell, sometimes I'd like to see the US break up into a bunch of smaller regional states (this seems to be a frequent wet dream of the anarchic "STATES' RIGHTS DURRRH!!!" crowd) just so that I could laugh at how much the citizens of Jesusland would suffer under their wonderful new 'dream governments.'

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Remember that next time you're begging for hurricane relief $$$

Stupid bastard.

[AnneD]

185. Uhhhh....

we're still waiting for alot of that. The Gov. has been all hat no cattle there. The debris field from Ike is still there and not all the bodies have been found. It has been like trying to start fires here without matches .But then we saw what happened to NOLA and once again we got the government aid we have come to expect-nada. I get more support from my three year old bra!

It was 2 years and a threatened law suit before our local school district could recoup the money we had to spend to feed, cloth, educate and provide special services as needed for the children of Louisiana that we took in after Katrina. HISD came very close to going from an A+ to bankruptcy before the government owned up to it's responsibility.

Yeah-thanks for nothing. If we actually seceded-at least we would know what to expect rather than get worked up over nothing.

This secession really gathered steam during the oil embargo in the 70's when folks in the NE were really rude to folks in Texas-demanding our petroleum and natural gas for a fraction of it's true worth because the Arabs had turned off the spigot. They then turned around and insulted us as bubbas, yokels and red necks. Yeah-we read the papers.

That's when we started adding up how much of our money, resources, etc went to DC and, in proportion to our size and population-how little we got back. And when Detroit and the auto industry jobs dried up-Northerners came down here to work because there were no jobs up there. And they still made fun of Texans and Texas-but this time to our face. Well, that's when most Texans here said enough is enough.

You either like Texas or you don't. And that is ok, you are entitled to your opinion. Opinions are like ass holes-I have one too. But that doesn't give you, me, or anyone else the right to insult someone that has a different opinion.

I am a Democrat, but I consider myself a native Texan first and foremost. And if this is the kind of welcome a fellow Democrat from Texas gets-well folks can just kiss my rosy red ass. I chew up and spit out more neocon in a week than most Dems handle in a year-hell you have to be tough to be a Democrat here. So you might want to think twice before labeling us as stupid bastards. I promise you, if you were in a foxhole-you'd want a Texan at your back.

Thank God I live in wide open spaces where I can dream big and live large. And if you fall flat-you can always get back up, dust your self off and try it again.

[DonCoquixote]

194. It would be ironic

If this was led by Perry who actually refused a stimulus from Washington.

[indepat]

19. Make my day effing Perry: secede

:P

[bemildred]

20. Treason!111!! nt

[rpannier]

21. ...he sees no reason why Texas should do that.

Because they lost the last time they tried that

[VespertineIconoclast]

23. These BS threats and bouts of posturing are getting boring and tiring!

I dare him to do it!

[Justitia]

24. No, Governor Confederate Dumbass - it's illegal. Learn your own state's constitution.

Oy vey, I can't believe this f'in moron is the governor of my state.
Ann Richards must be rolling over in her grave.

Folks, please remember, Governor Dumber-Than-A-Post couldn't even win a majority of the vote last election, he's desperate.

[Nevernose]

45. And their Houseof Reps is 76-74 Republican-Democrat

While Texas is crazy and all-too-frequently dumber than a bag of bricks, Texas still isn't as conservative as people think.

And if Ann Richards si rolling over in her grave, then Molly Ivins must be dancing in hers. Say what you want about Rick Perry, but he's always good for a laugh.

[Justitia]

53. That's right, all our major cities (Houston, Dallas, SA, Austin) are BLUE. The rest gerrymandered.

Thanks to Tom DeLay (R - Scumbucket)

It's going to take forever for us to get ungerrymandered, but we are working hard on it!

[defendandprotect]

170. How does that get undone?

And weren't there some legal cases pending on that ... long ago, I guess?

[Justitia]

191. Yup - all the way to the Supreme Court & we're still screwed.

Guess how they voted on whether TX was violating the Voting Rights Act? One guess on how this SC voted & I bet you guess right.

We can't redistrict until we get a majority back, and we can't get a majority back until we redistrict.

We are gaining, however.

We will beat those rat bastards, even with one arm tied behind our back.

[defendandprotect]

192. "Catch 22" by Tom DeLay . . . !!!

[Optimistic]

25. Hey Texas. and all Republicans

Everyone of you and Fox Noise can be your officail News agency

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

This means you Glen Beck, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity and of Courrse Bush Bingbong.

[defendandprotect]

55. Texas . . . "the outlaw state" . . . bye!!!

[defendandprotect]

171. Just want to make clear, corrupt Texas . . . not the citizens who have been . . .

snowed by criminal leadership--!!!

[Lady Effingbroke]

210. Yes, always the rationalization.

[Paladin]

214. How About The 3.5 Million Texans Who Voted For Obama?

You know----the Texans who are neither corrupt nor have been "snowed by criminal leadership."

Don't bother giving it another try, OK? No sense in wasting time.....

[thevoiceofreason]

26. God my governor embarrasses me

[onestepforward]

35. Yeah, me too,

along with our like-minded senators Cornyn and Hutchinson. Ugggg....

[thebabbster]

86. Yeah me three...

when will he call for the Texas version of Kristall Nacht?

[AllenVanAllen]

105. Me four

Perry talks shit about the federal government until he has to ask for aid for Texas.

Good-Hair Perry should shut the hell up..

[nyy1998]

128. Me Five

FUCK YOU RICK PERRY

[GTurck]

158. 100 % agree...

Not only embarrasses but makes me physically ill.

[MidwestTransplant]

27. Great then Mexico will annex you. Then who will you come running back to?

[tavalon]

28. Oh, Guvna Goodhair, you make me swoon

I would so like to live in a country that doesn't have Texas sittin' on it's ass like Limbaugh's boil on the good nature of our fine country. Secede, fuckface, please!!!!???!!

[Jeep789]

29. Ha, the puny country of Texas!

Would they make Dubya their little dictator?

[No Elephants]

181. Even Texans don't want him now.

[THale2]

30. Well Perry why are you asking the Prez

for federal assistance with the Mexican Drug cartels...go and secede...the drug cartels will be licking their chops...along with Chavez etc....idiot

[Tab]

33. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out...

or do... I don't care.

Ta ta!

[sallylou666]

34. Whata embarrassment

I wish that Molly Ivins was still with us. She would have had a field day with this one.

Governor Goodhair only won because three candidates split the votes and he came out on top. Our election rules stink.

Not all Texans are wack jobs wearing big hats. In 2008, my county was blue. That's Harris County in Houston. BOO-YA!

[skepticscott]

36. Ripped to shreds

by Steve Benen over at Washington Monthly:

Following up on an earlier item, Texas Gov. Rick Perry's (R) speech yesterday on his unwillingness to accept the "oppressive hand" of the federal government has caused something of a stir. It also, as it turns out, offers another example of conservative hypocrisy.

After all, there's Perry's rhetoric...

"I believe the federal government has become oppressive. It's become oppressive in its size, its intrusion in the lives of its citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state. <...>

"We think it's time to draw the line in the sand and tell Washington that no longer are we going to accept their oppressive hand in the state of Texas. That's what this press conference, that's what these Texans are standing up for. There is a point in time where you stand up and say enough is enough, and I think Americans, and Texans especially have reached that point."

... and there's Perry's reality.

Governor Rick Perry, five days ago: Governor Perry Calls FEMA To Assist With Wildfires

Governor Rick Perry, last month: Governor Perry Calls For 1,000 Troops To Be Sent To Border

Governor Rick Perry, five months ago: Governor Perry Requests 18 Month Extension Of Federal Aid For Ike Debris Removal

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

[dbt]

37. So go already.

You talk a good game there, Gov. Ya ready to back it up, or is this just posturing? By the way, how did secession work the last time y'all tried it? How'd that little move pay off for you?

Your neighbors in Arkansas will miss you--for a little while. Stay in touch!

:hi:

[Hulk]

38. God....I wish!!

I offered to give it back to Mexico if they would take the bush's with it...and they turned it down!! Don't blame them!

[Bette Noir]

39. I wonder what these secessionists plan on doing for national defense?

How does the Republic of Texas defend its southern border? How does the Soveriegn State of Alaska keep Russia out of its oil fields?

They don't think about these things.

How many Texans are going to want to learn Spanish?

[Chovexani]

41. Good riddance

Can we keep the People's Republic of Austin, though?

[blonndee]

42. Buh bye.

We're going to miss you. :eyes:

[Nevernose]

43. I was born in Texas, I grew up there, and I miss Texans.

But if Texas really did secede, I wouldn't exactly bother renewing my passport to go visit. "Adios" as the Tejanos say.

[Downwinder]

44. I guess there goes my S.S. and medicare.

This County won't survive with out S.S., It's the main payroll in the County. Hospitals and Nursing Homes will have to close.

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[ananda]

49. Perry is turning in the neo-confederate version of Gen. Walker.

Pretty soon you'll be seeing him at
the door waving duelling pistols at
the gubment.

[louis-t]

50. Go ahead.

See ya.

[defendandprotect]

51. How about paying as much attention to this as corporate news paid to anti-war demonstrations--!!???

[Bossy Monkey]

54. As a South Carolinian, I can say: You do that. See how it works out for you, Gov. Haircut.

(Ha! No room in subject line for "n/t")

[BrklynLiberal]

58. don't let the door hit your butt on the way out....

[santamargarita]

59. I'll tell you like I told Bush - Get the fuck OUT, Perry...

and take the right-wing assholes with you!

[jmm]

60. We can't miss you until you're gone (n/t)

[Joey Liberal]

61. Give Texas back to Mexico

Let's not wait for Texas to secede. Let's close all of their military bases and government offices and turn that state over to Mexico.

[goforit]

90. Mexicans are thinking the same thing. LOL!!! Historic karma!!!And Texans gave em guns.

[JeanGrey]

106. Give it back? They already practically have it. California

went first.

[defendandprotect]

172. Wish Native Americans could reclaim Manhattan, etal --!!!

[droidamus2]

63. Leave if you want to

First you have to pay us for any oil or other resources that are still left in your state as that is a natural resource of the United States of America that we will not give up even if we would rather not need it. All military and government equipment will be returned and any government buildings must be paid for before secession will be allowed. While we're at it you must reimburse us for any federally built roads, dams, parks, etc. All money owed the federal government or those representing the federal government must be paid in full. Do not expect the USA military to protect you your on your own so try not to piss off those Mexican drug lords. Since you don't want to be part of the USA your borders will be closed.

[NutmegYankee]

64. You mean Try to leave.

Texas tried once, and all it got was a smaller population. Me thinks the second time isn't the charm.

[mitchum]

66. Well, saddle up and go,cowgirl

[Olney Blue]

67. Too much brush there anyway

[triguy46]

69. Before they leave, can we get our fence back to keep them...

from sneaking into the US?

[MasonJar]

71. Just because Texas has some idiots in charge, just like all states,

does not mean that DU should be so cruel to all the lovely citizens who live there. Ann Richards and LBJ and Molly Ivins come immediately to my mind as exceptional citizens who contributed to our nation, who would be appalled at the disparagement of their home state in this DU segment. And leave Alabama and Mississippi out of this too. Those of you who live in perfect states with perfect statesmen in charge are the only ones who are allowed to cast stones at the rest of us. Have y'all any idea how many of us in the South are working to change the environment? As a Kentuckian, I am upset to be bundled into a package with a looney tune like Rick Perry.

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[busymom]

74. Good-bye, TX.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[Tx4obama]

75. A bunch of nuts...

I can't believe I have seen so many NUTS here on DU and over on Huffington Post today that are bashing ALL Texans.
Don't ya'll realize that Texas is turning BLUE?
Dont ya'll realize that the majority of people in Austin, Dallas, Houston and many other large and small cities voted more for Obama than McCain?
I am very upset that because of what Perry said that they world rest of the nation is throwing their hate at all of Texas.

Rush lives in New York and most people don't like what he says ... should we throw New York out of the union???

[bevoette]

84. i hear ya (nm)

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[mtf80123]

77. Tea Bagging...

Leaves a "bitter... dirty... taste in the mouth.

Good riddance you twisted sorry fucks.

Do it! Leave our Union now!

But we get to keep Austin.

[dairydog91]

78. Someone ought to redouble the guard at Fort Sumter.

[Tx4obama]

79. The people on this thread...

The people on this thread are acting no better than Fox News did when they were trying to hold Obama responsible for what Rev. Wright said. Now ya'll are trying to hold ALL people of Texas responsible for what Perry said.

Perry does not talk for all Texans, especially for the 100,000s of us that are democrats.

[brentspeak]

91. I'm a New Jersey resident who appreciates all the states in the union

I agree with you: this thread is full of Dumb Posts of The Day re. the good state of Texas.

[jberryhill]

107. Who elected Reverend Wright to anything

I'm quite sure that we are talking about the Governor of Texas here.

If Texans don't agree - they can remove him. I don't see them doing that.

[Critters2]

120. So, he won in some way other than a majority vote? nt

[tammywammy]

207. Yes, Perry won with only 39% of the vote

Texas doesn't have a runoff and if Kinky had let his ego step aside we would have a democratic governor right now.

[Bryn]

157. Typical of many non-Southern DUers

to bash the South.....on and on and on and on :eyes:

[kentauros]

183. So true!

We try to work hand-in-hand with many non-Southerners, only to get derision at every turn. As if where a person lives is reason enough to hate/suspect them...

Doesn't anyone know how to look for the good in a person or place instead of only looking at the bad associated by proxy?

[rasputin1952]

80. This would mean they would become a part of Mexico...

of course, they could declare themselves to be Republic, but they would immediately become a debtor nation, owing the US Government a ton of cash, no subsidies, no FEMA, no military bases, no Federal Park money, no railroad subsidies, no Federal road construction money, no Federal money for education...nothing, zilch, nada.

To make up any portion of this, or become a 3rd world nation, they would pay exorbitant taxes, and fees. Drivers Licenses could go up to $500 for 2 years, business license fees would jump incredibly, income and property taxes would skyrocket.

Services would be cut to nothing, no Social Security, no Medicare/Medicaid, no Federal subsidies for hospitals, research centers, NASA, no Coast Guard protection, no military forts or airbases. No Federal Courts, no access to the USSC, no appeals for funding, no recognition on the world stage. No military help w/their porous border, Mexican drug lords move North.

This is the dumbest thing Texans could do. They did it once before when they joined the Confederacy, (something Sam Houston was vehemently against), and they lost a lot of lives, fortunes and a whole lot more.

Now I know, that this is all a "fad", geared toward the more "radical" of Texans...Texans, on the whole are good American citizens; but they let the loons out every once in a while...something that provides amusement for the rest of us...:hi:

[DonCoquixote]

102. Here's an ugly thought

If Texas did do this, what would states like Russia and China do? Would they try to offer the state help, as payback for interference in Tibet, Taiwan, Georgia and Serbia? Also, would Hugo Chavez stir the pot, trying to make Texas Latinos turn it into yet another Latin American ally?

Also, as far as Taxes go, I could imagine the Texans trying to make themselves a Tax Haven..sadly, many would buy into that.

[rasputin1952]

103. For one thing, I don't believe for a moment, they will secede...

There are far too many good Texans out there...the state is loaded w/them, regardless of political leaning. The people who are actually pushing this thing are loons and fools that feel they need to grab attention any way they can.

I was stationed at Ft. Sam Houston for a time..., San Antonio was a pretty nice place, i loved the Riverwalk on a warm Spring night, and I never had a problem w/the Texans I met.

I am bothered by some things about TX, like the free wheeling way they use the Death Penalty and some other laws, like marijuana possession that jails individuals for exceptionally long terms, (to include life in some instance). I think that TX's will rise above this ion the future though. Like I said, there are a lot of good people in TX...except bush and his cabal of demons...:hi:

[XemaSab]

182. Sounds like California

:hide:

[Tx4obama]

81. Too

many DU'ers have really shown their asses on this thread today.

[bevoette]

83. fuck him. and fuck everybody who says "don't let the door hitcha"

hmpf :mad:

[AmyCamus]

117. don't let the door hitcha!

:nopity:

[LostInAnomie]

87. That would be a... shame?

Any sane state would be in the process of storming the Governor's mansion and getting the tar and feathers ready.

[williesgirl]

88. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Send the good people of TX to other states. rec'd

[Sabien]

89. Gov. Perry, why do you hate America? n/t

[chrisa]

94. Just talk.

This would be stupid, and could possibly start a war if other states followed.

He would be kicked out long before that happened.

[ninety lives]

95. These people are appalling

They aren't even real Republicans.

How can you be a patriot and oppose the federal government?

[No Elephants]

186. Who said Republicans were patriots?

[hollowdweller]

96. That would mean a few less republicans in the House and Senate

I say go for it!

[boomerbust]

97. I know what bothers these people

We finally have a Yankee President. No wait, an African American Yankee President.

[AllenVanAllen]

100. Succeed? What a child Rick Perry is

and so is everyone else who is letting their emotional retardation override their logic. You guys lost and the majority of Americans are ready to move forward.

Perry is an embarrassment plain and simple.

Texas is slowly turning blue. Change is very slow to come to Texas. Having lived here all of my life I have seen slow change, but far too slow for my taste.

[kentauros]

184. It may seem slow now

but as the rest of the depressed economy makes its way into Texas, and formerly bulletproof jobs start disappearing, you may see more of them switching sides. In the past, many of the oil-related engineering and management jobs were pretty much resistant to economic downturns. The only time they weren't was if the entire company failed, like Enron.

Maybe as more of the dittoheads end up on UI, they might begin to realize just how much the GOP lied to them and tell them to take a hike at the next election.

[Riverman]

101. Don't Let the Door Hit Ya, Where the Lord Split Ya!

Please, Please, Please go and take the rest of the backward red states with you. We will be far better off without you then with you! Then we would get our federal tax dollars back to spend on building s truly sustainable economy. BuH bye!

[jeff30997]

104. Hey Ricky.

You wanna secede ? I think it was tried a while ago and it failed.And with what army do you expect to

win Civil War II ? Gee!

[southerncrone]

109. Good riddance! Don't let the screendoor slap you on the way out!

Can we actually form a petition to exclude TX from the US?

I'm guessing it's all hot air.....let's call Perry's bluff & KICK THeM OUT OF THE USA!
I'd much rather have Puerto Rico or Guam.

[jimlup]

110. Apologies to the Texians here but ...

I'd be more than happy to split with the 2008 red states, especially Texas.

They can elect George W. Bush as king. We can't let them have any nuclear weapons though. :rofl:

[kentauros]

137. No nukes? Too late on that aspect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantex

It would be excessively expensive for the US Government to shut down and move that plant. Plus as it is responsible for the dismantling and assembly of nuclear weapons, you never know how that situation would pan out were a secession to come. Do you really want to take that chance?

I am forever saddened at how some Dems act on this site. I always thought we were supposed to work together for a more perfect union, not encourage it to fall apart x(

[jimlup]

153. I was just kidding

Jeez, It was a bad joke. Sorry that I apparently offended you.

In all seriousness, we are not at the political point of succession though if the current crises worsens I suppose it could become a more serious discussion. The Governor's statement was unbelievably irresponsible. I'm a poster on a web site, he's a Governor of a major US state.

Your point on nuclear weapons is well taken. We need only to recall the breakup of the USSR. As I recall, the Ukraine did give up their nuclear weapons and we helped pay to dismantle them. In a secession 'Texas' would be significantly harder to convince.

Again sorry if I offended you.

[kentauros]

154. Apology accepted

:) It's sometimes hard to see jokes in threads like these because the emotions often run quite high.

Also, I was really commenting about the posters overall on threads like these. I really don't get the sentiment of encouraging a divided union. Methinks many have never visited other parts of the world than their own backyard.

I never really compared the nuke concept with that of the former Soviet Union, but it's a good comparison. San Antonio is also the only training center for the Air Force. I think they would balk at having to relocate their entire training system elsewhere. Perry would simply get more grief than he's currently complaining about.

I wonder if we can file criminal charges against him, as was suggested about the FBI investigating such statements? ;)

[defendandprotect]

173. We didn't elect W . . . so how can we be sure they did -- ????

[obxhead]

111. Yesterday I read

an article about this. There were 2 links related to this subject, one for Texas looking for FEMA help, and one looking for help from the feds fighting forest fires.

I say fuck 'em, they should get nothing with this bullshit being spewed from their gov.

[Auggie]

112. What an ass

[Joe Bacon]

113. Bye, Rick! and take your 34 electoral votes with you!

Don't forget to take Dick Armey, Tom De Lay and Ron Paul with you. Good riddance.

[JVS]

114. GET THE FUCK OUT!

[FVZA_Colonel]

115. Three months. Three God damn months.

How have they become this unhinged?

[AmyCamus]

116. Good riddence,

We'd be better off without North Mexico.

[kentauros]

179. Okay, and while we're at ridding the Union of undesirables

let's get rid of South Canada, too. The Union doesn't really need Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho or Washington, does it? They're all just cold, miserable wastelands of ignorance, right?

Oh, and we'll give Alaska back to Russia, too ;)

Good riddance, y'all!

[Kablooie]

119. So Bush's legacy library would be in another country. Fine with me.

[Tx4obama]

121. I am ashamed of most of you on this thread.

President Obama would be very disappointed in a lot of people here if he were to read the majority of the comments on this thread.

United we stand, Divided we fall.

[Stand and Fight]

123. It's treason. Period.

[DonCoquixote]

124. OK, this has to be said

First off, I know there are a LOT of "rednecks" up north. I grew up in areas where you would get the sh_t beaten out of you because you were not the right religion. all of them within sight of the twin towers. Yes, there are rednecks in California, the same people that produced Nixon and Reagan. For people to act like they are holier than thou is not just disgusting, it reeks of the very American egotism you claim to hate in the red States.

In the South, all cities are "blue", it's just that we have less of them, and are surrounded by rural areas. You can go to rural New York State or California or Illinois and see the same people in the red states, it's just that you outnumber them. Even so, even the Bluest of states seem to put Reds on the map: it's not like the Easter Bunny elected Arnold Schwarzenegger Governor, or Nixon, or Reagan. The Easter Bunny sure did not vote for Rudy Giuliani.

My point is, we do not have the right to suddenly cast off the liberals in the South, many of whom have been busting their backs trying to get progress. We southern liberals put Florida and North Carolina in the win column, and we are working on Texas. If you consider yourself a liberal, that means you are interested in seeing that people's rights are protected, and that people get a shot at improving their lives, or, maybe you just think that if you are all right, it does not matter. Frankly, if you adopt the attitude of "I got mine, so screw you", then frankly, you might want to ask yourself if you really ARE a liberal, or just someone who is happy they got theirs.

[defendandprotect]

175. You're right -- plus with computers, you can't be sure anyone ever elected a Repug to anything--!!!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

125. Dems need to call on the GOP to condemn Perry

every Republican official needs to be asked to chose - either be with the wing nut base or be for a United States of America

[Tx4obama]

126. As a wise person said over at HuffPo

3,528,633 Texans that voted for Obama in the general election who would be greatly offended by the rampant anti-Texas bashing.
Please attack the GOV's OFFICE DIRECTLY... NOT the rest us who LIVE IN TX and are DEM/LIB
Thanks!

p.s. And I am one of those Texans that is greatly offended ;(

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

127. What. fucking. nerve

We just endured eight horrible years of two Texans at the helm (despite changing his residency to Wyoming just prior to accepting the VP nomination, Cheney was a texan). We watched a texan lead us into an unnecessary war based on a lie, run up a $5trillion bill for it, squander a surplus and let an American city drown.

But no one on the Left came close to saying anything like this. No one called for vermont or new York or California to break away from Dubya to make a point.

Not any Democratic official. Not any antiwar group. Not even Michael Moore.

The difference is we can accept being out of power, but work to make this country better.
They simply throw a fit, act like they're entitled, declare the opponent illegitimate and throw a tantrum - and don't care id the U.S. breaks up as a result.

They hate their country. they love power.

They just threw away any claim of being patriotic when one of their top elected party members invoked secession. And to be from texas, of all places. the arrogance is astounding.

Don't let them backpeddle. Raise this issue come election time.

Throw this in the face of every rightwinger you have to deal with. They are, in reality, every horrible straw man they built to demonize progressives and liberals.

[Stand and Fight]

155. Not so...

I can recall threads here in 2004 about secession after Dumbass Dubya stole that one.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

167. let me amend

no public figure.

no commentator or official did. most average folk didn't.
maybe angry message board post somewhere, but on their side, it's the governor of one of the biggest states in the u.s.
he's the republican who represents more people than any other GOP member in the country.
hardly the same thing

[LeftHander]

129. I am hearing all sorts of garbage from the right now..

NPR had some assclown who said the banks were fine and
couldn't understand how a few bad loans could create a crisis....

[jewishlibrl]

131. The Feds should keep an eye on anarchists such as this one

The word secession should not even be used by any serious Governor. This is not the 19th century. If this gov. continues to incite revolt the FBI should take drastic measures.

[w8liftinglady]

132. Just imagine what it's like to live with these "morans"

I wish I could secede from Texas...

[auburngrad82]

133. Why can't they get it through their pointy little heads that Bush created the huge govt

It will take years to bring it back under control. But it's not Obama who created it. Bush created the largest government in history.

So much for the Republics' ideas about "smaller government". It only applies when the Dems are in control.

[Timefortruth]

134. Mexico

Wouldn't keep Perry as Texas President for a weekend.

Do Texans really think they can survive without the US?

[Justitia]

135. For all the TX bashers: if you want to kick TX out, we're taking LBJs legacy w/us - most liberal

prez ever.

You know, including the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare & Medicaid, the Great Society, the Nat'l Endowment for the Arts, the Food Stamp Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and the Higher Education Act (sorry kids!). He gave us the first African American on the US Supreme Court, so I guess we're taking the legacy of Thurgood Marshall with us too.

I know it's fun to bash TX, but remember that it was a good TX Democrat who made all the above a reality - there's plenty of us still around.

Guv Goodhair is definitely all hat, no cattle & desperate to win the next election.

[w8liftinglady]

136. add Ann Richards and Molly Ivins to that list ;)

[kentauros]

139. And as I said up-thread (on the concept of us having nukes, which we do)

I really don't understand how any Dem could in good conscience encourage the diminishing of our nation by the 'loss' of a rather large state (and major component of the USA's overall GDP.)

Really now, aren't we all supposed to work together to make this nation greater than the sum of all its parts? You can't do that listening to an idiot repub governor more interested in the next election than the health of the nation as a whole.

We're supposed to be the good guys. Stop acting like Freepers :eyes:

[boomerbust]

197. Dont Forget

The Gulf of Tonkin and Nam

[LanternWaste]

140. Perry is posturing. TX is an urban myth...

Perry is posturing. TX cessation is an urban myth held onto only by sub-literate racists and conspiracy yahoos.
There is no statute in the TX constitution that allows that legally secession from the Union.



"Another Texas-related legend holds that the Texans negotiated an annexation treaty which reserved to them the right to secede from the Union without the consent of the U.S. Congress, but the terms of Texas' annexation contain no such provision."
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp

[alarimer]

141. Yeah, that worked so well the last time.

Perry is a dumbass.

[dkhbrit]

144. This may be the last time I visit this site

I live in Texas.

I support the Democratic party. Apparently I should just move to another state though. Leave my home and my career behind.

I cannot believe the ignorance and sloppy generalization in this thread.

[kentauros]

152. Unfortunately, bashing the South tends to be a major pasttime around here.

Some (not all) seem to like the commenting technique of "broad-brushing". It's easier than thinking something through, that's for sure.

I hope you do stay, though. We have a decent forum for Texas and some fine folks populating it :)

Welcome to DU and stay a while, ok? :hi:

[Bryn]

156. I am with you on this one

Too much Southern bashing on DU. This is getting old. I am Southerner, born that way, I support Democratic party. I am not running away to North due to ignorance.

[defendandprotect]

178. Personally, I think we should all be angry with the governor and Repug politics . . .

and I agree with you that it too much sounds like we're blaming Texans.

I've tried to amend that in my post to make it clear that I'm against

corrupt Texas leadership which we've seen too much of!!

I'm also aware that for more than 40+ years we've all been voting on

computers which make every Repug win questionable!

:)

And I hope DU will turn around quickly as this is being pointed out to them!

[DonCoquixote]

188. As an EX-Yankee in Dixie

Let me ask you, do not let the bastards chase you out! We do not allow the Kluxers and toher Good old Boys to force us to change, and we damn well will not let people chase us out who safely sit in their warm cafes, enjoying the rights that good southerners like Lyndon Baines Johnson got for them. I confess, I hate the sight of the stars and bars (namely because the Florida GOP uses it the way the SS used a humble Hindu symbol formerly known as the "Sawastika.") But I have no illusions about the fact that my fellow Southern Liberals are people I want by my side in the Foxhole. Just remember, the GOP thought they had Florida locked down tight, If Florida can turn Blue, ANY state can!

[Mad_Dem_X]

145. Buh-bye! Don't let the door hit ya...

(No offense to DUers and other progressives who happen to live in Texas.)

[CanonRay]

146. Can we keep Austin?

[primavera]

177. Why not?

If Texas can secede from the US, surely they wouldn't contest Austin's right to secede from Texas, having already set the example.

[DonCoquixote]

189. You assume they believe in Justice?

Especially since most churches will already provide ready made rationalizations? If this were to be tried, Austin would be the biggest killing field in the Americas since the Civil War. The trees would be laden with what Billy Holiday called "strange fruit", and much of that fruit would not simply be "dark" (though I would pray for any Afro-Americans unfortunate enough to be near there), but there would be tons of Latinos, LGBT, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and frankly many who had above an IQ over 95 and/or had read a book. It would be a holiday celebrated every year. Even if Mexico/the USA/ The UN/ whoever managed to conquer Texas and try to get things under control, people would still cherish the memory of the slaughter, the same way they cherish the days when slaves picked cotton.

Somehow, I do not think that would trouble as many people here on DU as I once thought, as many here seem to be in competition with Free Republic for skill in making rationalization for atrocity. It hurts me to say that, it really does. I know I would come here looking for sympathy and find it, but I would also find people who would chuckle, and make some sort of rationalization as to how that would be a good thing, Eco types lauding the decrease of surplus population or Lou Dobbs fans thinking this stops the threat of Latino Immigration or whatever of the outright foul threads of thought I have seen SOME so called "liberals" endorsing.

Again, if the attitude of "I'm all right jack" is an acceptable attitude to you, you need to ask yourself if you really are a Liberal.

[MountainLaurel]

193. That's how WV was formed

Virginia seceded from the union, and the western counties seceded from Virginia.

[Blue_Tires]

147. it would be pretty funny watching Tejas try to secure the border with no fed help

that place would become 80 percent Mexican overnight...

[KansDem]

149. I'm sure all the "John Horns" of Texas will be out in force with their shotguns and such...

...itching to blow away a few "furriners" with impunity...

[KansDem]

148. What? Rickie? You still here? Why haven't you left yet?

An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.

Fuck, Rickie! Where've you been the last eight years? GOPs "Iraq War" ring a bell? Estimated to cost 2.5 trillion? GOP-deregulated Wall Street and banking failure sound familiar? How many hundreds of billions? Not to mention the anti-limited government actions of torture and illegal spying. But since those don't involve real ca$h, the GOP isn't interested.

Rickie, you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic...

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

151. then bush would be the nonamerican president LOL

I know he'd still be a citizen based on the law... but it would be ironic considering his followers made up all those rumors about Obama. Can Perry take the parts of the country that are the United States of Jesus Christ with him,

[dflprincess]

199. Better yet,

If Bush were living outside U.S. boundries would it make it easier for another country to demand he be extradited and tried for war crimes?

I can dream, can't I?

[Vidar]

159. Good riddance.

[No Elephants]

163. I thought Republicans prided themselves on their patriotism? Secession is treason. But I vote not

to prosecute.

[AnneD]

164. Texas is smart enough to not give the Governor much power....

and let the Legislature meet every other year. Believe me-all that grandstanding is so he can jockey for position in GOP presidential race in 12. I hope he does run on his record and folks remember GWB record too. The GOP gene pool is getting pretty shallow.

[joeybee12]

165. Is it time to "out" Governor Good Hair?

Yay or nay?

[primavera]

174. Don't tease

Would you really? You mean, you might actually go off and set up your own little mom, apple pie, Jesus, and kill people country and let the rest of us finally get on with joining the community of modern, developed states? What can I do to help?

[shintao]

195. Help the unAmerican Texans get out of America!!

UnAmerican Governor Perry wants to flame up leaving the United States union, so lets do all we can to help these unAmericans leave.

I have suggested we ask all the other unAmerican rightwing radicals to move to Texas so they will have enough voters to secede. I have suggested the ring leaders like unAmericans Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter & O'Rielly to go where their mouth leads them, and get out of America. Just don't come whining back to us again when we have paid off the tax bills their Texan Bush created (5 Trillion).

UnAmerican Governor Perry is making a weak Threat saying Texas should secede from the union over taxiation, because he doesn't think ahead (A failure of rightys) that he would be leaving Texas open to invasion by Mexicans (lacking military strength), and sucessions means Texans would have to pay import fees on everything they wanted to sell to America ~ That runs .21% the value of the product.

All goods imported to the USA are subject to merchandise fee (customs clearance) of 0.21% of CF value, with a minimum of $25 and a maximum of $485



I was asked why would I call someone supporting leaving America to be an unAmerican?? LMAO! Hey, what elese can you call an UnAmerican supporting sucession and living in a foreign county called Texas?

[DonCoquixote]

196. Some links to remind us there are and were GOOD texans

Or at least ones that are NOT stereotypical. Some of these have some pg-13 language

Molly Ivins (RIP)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKckRXKRmRg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfkOKOn_5k0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT2YqGO3Wks

Bill Moyers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgBM2LNpJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnMK1d9xE0

Steve Martin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZQOkOB4QA4

Wille Nelson (politics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTXOiJ9XP4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIzfQx98XSg

Kris Kristofferson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9KAGLbZKI&feature=PlayList&p=548174DABFA1342B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rxm17Soz3c

Bill Hicks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og_S2kuP-Xk&feature=related

I post this to prove that there are texans who frankly are not merely like us, but they are some of the finest warriors in the liberal cause.

[WolverineDG]

202. It would be nice not to have to fight on 2 fronts

for a change.

dg

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

198. Am I right on this? Because I live in Arkansas and work in Texas, would I need a passport or a

H1B Visa / work permit??

[Paladin]

200. I'm Alerting The Moderators About This Thread

Like practically all DU threads on Texas, there are far too many posts bashing the state as a whole, including the 3.5 million Texans who voted for Obama. Such blatant stereotyping and mindless hatred would not be tolerated for a moment at DU if such sentiments were directed at Jews, homosexuals or black persons. It's tough enough being a Democrat in Texas (although the state is trending toward Democratic majority rule); why should Texas Democrats accept this sort of ugliness from our own side?

[WolverineDG]

201. OH HOW I LOVE YOU BLUE STATE SNOBS

Can't begin to tell you just how much I love you all when, after a day of dealing with the GOPers here battling in the front lines, I come to DU & get slapped in the face again. LOVE IT!

Must be nice to live in states where you don't have to do a damn thing to get Dems elected, so you can spend your free time on DU sipping lattes & making fun of those of us who do. It sure beats coming down here & helping us out because you might break a nail or something.

dg

[Paladin]

203. Well Said, Wolverine.

You Texas bashers are on notice---either particularize your Texas critiques to exclude the millions of Democrats in the state, or just refrain from any discussion of Texas whatsoever. Texas DUers are sick to death of the sort of blanket trashing that's constantly handed out here by people who ought to know better.

And by the way----saying you'll let Austin stay in the Union after the rest of the state is cast out doesn't cut it.....

[WolverineDG]

206. Bash our state, we kick your ass

And we're keeping Austin.

dg

[DonCoquixote]

213. A-men

Again, I say this is a Floridian, who is tried of hearing my northern relative talk about my state like it is a lunatic asylum, while I know many of them are the same Reagan Democrats that helped make this damned mess.

[Joe Bacon]

204. Oh, he puts the ASS in TexASS

:rofl:

[workinclasszero]

208. Bring it Perry you freeper asshole!

Millions will join the USA Free Texas underground movement to smuggle arms into Texas and persecuted minorities out. We'll see how long the second Confederacy will last with freeper chicken hawk keyboard warriors like Ted Nugent leading Limbaugh's brain dead minions at the fore! LOLOLOLOL!

OMG! Talk about EPIC FAIL!!!!

[robertpaulsen]

211. I wonder how many times this wingnut has said, "America, love it or leave it" in his life.

I'm willing to bet that's one of his favorite responses to librul objections to his asshattery.

But now he's threatening to leave.

Perry, Perry. Where did your love go?

[antigop]

212. Hey, that's one way to get rid of the ridiculous Texas two-step! n/t