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Purveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:34 PM Original message |
In A Shift, Obama Doesn't Plan To Reopen NAFTA Talks |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. "no plans to reopen negotiations on [NAFTA] . . . Obama vowed to do" that's CHANGE you can count on. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Blame Canada! |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
133. We'd LOVE to have NAFTA reopened |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Color me surprised...Not. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. yeah, like we couldn't see this coming |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. But, but, Free Trade has been GOOD for our economy! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Notice that those who oppose NAFTA actually have detailed reasons? |
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Roadcyclist (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
80. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE - OBAMA IS BACKING OFF OF EVERYTHING |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #80 |
114. I feel the same, except that every vote for Nader |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #114 |
183. Absolutely, if McCain/Palin had won they'ed have two pliable morons |
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4_TN_TITANS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #80 |
137. Chill..... |
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Roadcyclist (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #137 |
145. Are you kidding? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #137 |
173. He's picking the right battles -- but the wrong side. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #137 |
189. The first thing I'd do is run like hell from the DLC goons he hired as his team. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
168. He still has that great smile, but that is about it. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
112. Not only are those numbers significant enough to consider - |
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Snotcicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:56 AM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Thats in chapter 11 of NAFTA. ( Tantamount to expropriation.) nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #116 |
187. Thank you for that reference. |
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WarhammerTwo (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
165. It's bad to bring back low paying jobs... |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
182. He already is, and the Back Office Government is Business as usual |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. Su-prize, su-prize, su-prize! |
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Metta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. He's going to run into his shadow if he keeps running away this fast from his promises. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. 'they can be addressed without having to reopen the agreement' |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. you have a lot of faith |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. So, in which category do you put politicians? |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Super double-secret invisible plan |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. just my take on it |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
146. No offense |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #146 |
170. non taken |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy, too? |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. yawn |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
153. HE'S PLAYING CHESS |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. It just never gets better |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Not with Republicans and center right corporate Dems |
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lbrtbell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
92. That's what I'm afraid of |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
194. well if the Dems we voted in do NOT keep their promises - what difference are they from the pukes? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
115. A Democrat's staying home has the same impact as a Democrat's voting |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
117. Well Obama's certainly not playing to his base. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:12 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. If you voted for Obama, you helped elect Obama. For you at this point,, that may be |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Oh I forgot: rah rah at least he's not a Republican. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Or for the overseas worker, the abuse of whom is why we lose jobs here. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. I wonder if Mexico's exporting more goods, or workers to us with NAFTA!!! |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. No plans because the whole treaty will soon be scrapped. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
50. It must be nice there. |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm surprised we were just strung along |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
120. Some people see an aardvark as not quite an elephant, but not quite a mule, either. Are you |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #120 |
136. i am a donkey |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hmm ... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. unfortunately... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I hear you, and I am equally puzzled by the "no dissent" mantra of some Obama supporters. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Did you read the article? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Yes, I read it. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Is there a way to.. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Sure, that could be done. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I have to agree |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. ah..signaling... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Not on this subject. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No..as far as I know this was the first.. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
81. no choice |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
176. I have the answer to that... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. I think the debate is important |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #180 |
196. I disagree. But of course you already knew that. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #196 |
204. thanks |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #204 |
220. Some perhaps... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. that is where the confusion is, in my opinion |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
156. Well, C'mon! |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #156 |
179. I learned how to translate the .. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
100. Did you get the memo???????? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #100 |
155. Guess not. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Yeah, that Dennis Kucinich sure is a corporate whore. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. yes |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. You don't have to convince me, I'm fucking DONE with politicians. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. you should be able to say that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
125. Yes, they can. But maybe they cannot BOTH be better than this AND get elected |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
206. if that is true |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Are you referring to the article |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
65. Great post!! |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
86. what he said. well put. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
118. There's a huge difference between criticizing Obama and not voting for Obama. And, btw, I am |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #118 |
157. sorry I don't agree |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
126. Unfortunately, since Perot ran, the Republicans and Democrats joined forces to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. Deleted sub-thread |
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. Of course not. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. Gee, what a surprise, he's breaking ANOTHER of his promises. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. What promise has 'he' broken? |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
93. Discontinuing the occupation of Iraq for starters |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. What did he say during the primaries...18 months? |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
139. What bothers me is people believe every P.R. BS the establishment puts out |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #139 |
148. We will never leave Iraq... |
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jewishlibrl (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
98. Reuters (February, 09): "Obama wants to re-open NAFTA" |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. What did you 'hear' different today... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
21. I guess a headline in the New York Times.. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The issue was "modifying NAFTA"...the article above seems to say |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Apparently it doesn't matter. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
122. Two things: First, the |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
163. how dare you interrupt this PUMA circle jerk with reason? |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
181. Apparently... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #181 |
188. It's like feeding time.. |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. BOO! BOO! BOO! eom. |
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ShareTheWoods (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
23. President Obama has been introduced to world politics and its survival |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
127. And, in your parable, who are the great-thinking lions when it comes to these treaties? |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. If it quacks like a duck? |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. Say it ain;t so BO. Man, not a good week. C'mon Obama, be a Progressive, not Regressive. |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. Obama Administration = Third term of the Clinton Administration. Buyers remorse setting in. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. only to those who don't read.... |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
87. But some of us can read between the lines... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
97. I tend to read the words ... |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
154. And some people parse too closely to get the "truth" they want |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #154 |
175. you mean reading the words.. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
185. No, I mean selectively focusing on certain qualifiers and ignoring the overall message. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. What overall message from the New York Times... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
83. Big time. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Obama has been strenously disappointing - he had such momentum |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. oh please... |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Reinvent myself? I donated to his campaign & I joined in the joyfest for a VERY short time |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. the 'joy-fest'? |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. You're SO right, stillcool. It's just not that simple nor just |
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meowomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
91. The "hope" was hype |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
39. Good |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
43. Why change NAFTA? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
44. This should surprise nobody.nt |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
48. And next, instead of card check...right to work! n/t |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. Honestly people! Obama is doing the wrong thing now so he can do the right thing later! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. LOL! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
123. AND HE'S DONE IT ALL IN NINETY DAYS!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Well, it IS, but we sure got suckered anyway. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. Have we been had or WTF? |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
57. is.... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
60. recommend |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. each day I feel the new boss is same as the old boss. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
62. Austan Goolsbee is a vampire. That is all. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
63. Deleted sub-thread |
OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
64. This thing just keeps getting better and fucking better. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
67. NAFTA is a treaty and if Mexico doesn't want to re-negotiate it |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. NAFTA is NOT a treaty in the US Constitutional sense--it was not passed by 2/3 of the Senate. nt |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #68 |
107. Wow! You have a point. I forgot about that fast-track |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:35 AM Response to Reply #67 |
128. Can't the Senate and the President agree to revoke America's participation |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #128 |
152. Since it's not a real treaty, just an legal agreement, it's not as difficult. |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
69. Who believed otherwise? |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
70. President Obama: One disappointment after another |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Yes, it's quite sad. He had a lot of potential but he's throwing it away. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
109. No, Bush was one disappointment after another. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
72. SOLD OUT AGAIN |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
89. It's all about the money, honey... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
129. Because we would rather have Jindal or Mittens or Palin or Cantor? |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. *sigh* |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
78. In the immortal words of LBJ... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
79. This is very bad. He's sucking bad on economic issues. Worse and worse. (nt) |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
85. There's "free trade" and then there's "fair trade"... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
88. I don't know which I love more... the bait or the switch. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
177. Seems like more effort was put in to the bait, the switch.... not so much. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
90. Deleted message |
dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #90 |
160. spoken like a true freepre... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
190. that's not a very nice thing to say... makes me think you don't like the guy |
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960 (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
94. Except it's not a shift. I remember his top aides being busted telling Canada |
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jewishlibrl (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. That incident was known as "NAFTA-Gate" |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #94 |
104. Obama denied it |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
95. Bad news . .. unless Obama simply plans to overturn these trade agreements? |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
96. How many campaign promises can you break in the least amount of time? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
99. Oh MY...who would have thought??????? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
105. He wrongly thinks the powerbrokers got him elected when in the end, they will crush him like Clinton |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #105 |
130. Clinton was crushed? He was a two term President and is now worth well over $100 million. Hordes |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
174. Point taken. |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
106. C'mon, he's only been in 90 days or so. Give him at least 10 more days |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
108. As I recall this was a big issue with the Clinton haters, green & otherwise, |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:16 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. In the Democratic party, but still pissed as hell. n/t |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:46 AM Response to Reply #108 |
131. Fiercely anti-Clinton ("hater" is your word, not mine), right here, and critical of this and other |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
110. Sigh. And ONCE AGAIN...... |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
111. And FURTHERMORE..... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
121. Ohio will be very pissed about this. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Oh.....Ohio sure is pissed. |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
132. When will Labor quit kissing the ass of democrats? |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #132 |
151. the funny thing is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
135. Deleted message |
dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #135 |
158. maybe you should truck on over to free republic with that stuff... |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
138. Drip, drip, drip |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
140. gee what a surprise |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
141. corporate interests first, Americans last... oh and Americans pay the bill |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
142. Coming Soon to a Crumbling Republic Near You - Bill Clinton Take 2! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
143. Don't you Just Love the Non-Choices Presented by our Bipartisan System? |
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ardvark (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #143 |
149. well, at least AIG got another 30 Billion yesterday, that should count for something |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #149 |
167. Still waiting for AIG's "viable business plan" deadline. Anyone? |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
144. Figures..... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
147. How hopeful and changealicious! n/t |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
150. It's Obama that turned out to be George Bush Light. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #150 |
164. If you can't see major differences between Obama and Bush, I feel sorry for you |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #164 |
166. This thread is about TRADE. On the issue of TRADE, there is virtually no difference between the two |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #166 |
169. The post though did not say that it was limited to Trade |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
161. Reality sets in, not change. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
162. No surprises here. n/t |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
171. I guess we can all shine shoes and wait on the wealthy |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
172. He's determined to be a one-termer & then leave us stuck with |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. Yes. I'm sure that's it... |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Guess I should've put a sarcasm tag for the sarcasm impaired... |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #184 |
198. No, I got the sarcasm... |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #198 |
215. He's pissing a lot of voters off. Think bigger than just DU. nt |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #215 |
221. I think you overestimate the political engagement of your average American |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
191. Key statement the perpetually perturbed appear to overlook ... |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Not fair you read more |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. . |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. They can be "addressed", but they can't be CHANGED. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #195 |
210. NAFTA called for such protections |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Exactly, they are currently side agreements which can be incorporated into the full.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. That statement contradicts the OP; the Agreement can't be changed unless it is re-negotiated. nt |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. The side agreements ARE part of the totality of NAFTA... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. By definition and your admission they are not. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. It seems you did not read the info I edited into my post... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #208 |
214. Right. That's because time is linear in nature. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #197 |
212. Good to have this clarification |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #191 |
201. This is a point on which a little history will help. Google "NAFTA side agreements". nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #201 |
211. Consider it googled. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. It may be a thoughtful approach, but it contradicts his campaign pledge nonetheless! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #213 |
217. Obama has said he wishes to add the environmental and labor protections |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Which is logically impossible without renogitiating the "treaty". |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. I guess we'll find out. It would appear that people are having a debate |
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oviedodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
199. This is his first "official" broken promise; albeit a bad one |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
200. Labor gets fucked yet again, this is getting better by the day. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
203. As they say in the mummy... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
209. I guess by "change" he meant he would completely change his mind |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #209 |
223. Sometimes it does seem that way, doesn't it? |
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Bushknew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
216. A picture is worth a thousand words...... |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
224. Well, that should certainly help replace those 4 1/2 million lost jobs. |
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