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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:26 AM
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Fidel Castro: Obama 'misinterpreted' Raul's words
Source: AP

"...Raul Castro touched off a whirlwind of speculation last week that the U.S. and Cuba could be headed toward a thaw after nearly a half-century of chilly relations. The speculation began when the Cuban president said leaders would be willing to sit down with their U.S. counterparts and discuss "everything, everything, everything," including human rights, freedom of the press and expression, and political prisoners.

Obama responded at the Summit of the Americas by saying Washington seeks a new beginning with Cuba. But as he prepared to leave the summit Sunday, Obama also called on Cuba to release political prisoners and reduce taxes on remittances from the U.S.

That appeared to enrage Fidel Castro, 82, who wrote in an essay published Wednesday that Obama "without a doubt misinterpreted Raul's declarations."

The former president appeared to be throwing a dose of cold water on growing expectations for improved bilateral relations — suggesting Obama had no right to dare suggest that Cuba make even small concessions. He also seemed to suggest too much was being made of Raul's comments about discussing "everything" with U.S. authorities..."


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090422/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_castro



Fidel smacks down his brother's openness to negotiate to remove the embargo. Anybody surprised????
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MrBig Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:30 AM
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1. Who's in charge?
All Fidel can do now is sit on the sidelines. Hopefully mother nature will do her thing to him before he causes too much damage to a possible cooling of the tensions between Cuba and the US.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:36 PM
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9. Raul's in charge because Fidel says so n/t
s
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:30 AM
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2. I guess old school puts smack downs on both side in this issue...
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:35 AM
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3. Fidel has good reason to harbor a bitter grudge against the US.
However one can hope that Raoul will be more open to negotiation.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:55 AM
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4. I'm not surprised you posted it, if that's what you meant. n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 11:56 AM by denverbill
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:14 PM
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5. What does that mean?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:15 PM
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6. He's only 82.
He could have another 30 years in him.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:36 PM
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8. Or he could have -1 years in him.
I'm still waiting for any video or audio. Next you know, he'll start spelling his name Fedel, or Fidell.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:33 PM
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10. I don't remember .... Cubans asking to see videos of Ronald Reagan convalecent
I think we sould keep the morbosity out
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:35 PM
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11. Don't remember many news articles or proclamations...
made by Reagan. If I'm wrong, please provide links.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:56 PM
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13. Because nobody ask him
otherwise he could be compromising him self, that's how Oliver got in court.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:59 PM
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14. So people are actively asking Fidel?
Raul should retire and let the big boys lead then.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:28 PM
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15. Of course, how many people has visited Fidel since he is convalescent?
I don't remember many people interested in talking with Reagan.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:33 PM
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16. And how much video or audio of there is Fidel with
anybody while "convalescing" for a year? None? But yet he's described as energetic, enraged, vibrant, etc, and has multiple visits from various leaders. He must be the healthiest convalescent ever.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:25 PM
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18. Doesn't he have a double healthy enough to fill in for a photo op ?
tossing the medicine ball...chopping sugar cane...drinking shots of "green revolution" rum.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 10:08 PM
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20. The mental image of tossing the medicine ball...
had me laughing out loud.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:12 PM
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22. Neither did Ronald Reagan.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:40 PM
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29. Its the zing of the day. nt
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:35 PM
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7. I sure would like to see video of this.
I'm sure they will be releasing clips of the enraged Fidel soon.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:35 PM
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12. Raul meant a discussion of human rights, freedom of the press, etc. in the US!
He wasn't talking about such things on the island.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:19 PM
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17. former Cuban president rejects suggestions that the island should free political prisoners or cut ta
Fidel Castro says Obama misinterpreted his brother's remarks

The former Cuban president rejects suggestions that the island should free political prisoners or cut taxes on remittances from the U.S.



From the Associated Press
9:36 AM PDT, April 22, 2009
HAVANA -- Fidel Castro says President Barack Obama "misinterpreted" his brother Raul's remarks regarding the United States and bristled at the suggestion that Cuba should free political prisoners or cut taxes on dollars people send to the island.


snip

Obama also called on Cuba to release political prisoners and reduce taxes on remittances from the U.S.

That appeared to enrage Fidel Castro, 82, who wrote in an essay published today that Obama "without a doubt misinterpreted Raul's declarations."
Reflections of Fidel
Obama and the blockade

YESTERDAY I referred to the comic angle of the "Declaration of Commitment of Port of Spain."
....
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2009/april/mier22/Reflections-21april.html
The former president appeared to be throwing a dose of cold water on growing expectations for improved bilateral relations -- suggesting Obama had no right to dare suggest that Cuba make even small concessions. He also seemed to suggest too much was being made of Raul's comments about discussing "everything" with U.S. authorities.


snip

Raul Castro himself, meanwhile, has not jumped in to clarify the confusion and is not likely to, out of respect for his older brother.


snip

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-castro-obama23-2009apr23,0,2952733.story

So Raul isn't in charge. I wonder if there will be a state funeral in the near future.
That is the only way to end the embargo in less then 30 seconds.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:34 PM
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19. there really isn't any pressing need to make nice with Cuba at this point
the Summit is history, Castro is recalcitrant if not senile, or dead??
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 08:38 AM
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24. "The former Cuban president rejects suggestions..." Likewise, I suspect that the "former US
president" rejects negotiations between Cuba and the US. That's one of the bummers about being a "former" president. Your opinion is not as "valued" as it once was.

Of course, a "former" president in Cuba may have more sway than another "former" has in the US. We shall see.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 09:16 AM
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25. An opinion to consider, being that F Castro is Cuba's revolutionary war hero.
Cuban parliamentarians not considering the ideas of Fidel Castro would be akin to American legislators ignoring the ideas of George Washington in the first few decades of post revolution America.


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:48 PM
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32. The USA is arrogant to tell Cuba to cut taxes
A bit of respect would go a long way in dealing with a country the USA has an economic war against.

PLUS

All of you on the fence look at it this way: what matters is OUR COUNTRY and the democracy that we
do have.

This is why it is better to undermine the right wing Cuban Americans in Miami by lifting the embargo.

That will wreck their power base. They all profit from the embargo in political and economic terms.

Polls show that the majority of Cuban Americans want to normalize relations with Cuba.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 10:56 PM
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21. Whatever, conservative. Why should people trust you?
Conservatives are fucking liars.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 08:33 AM
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23. For DU's Cuba "experts" - Instead of relying on the AP BS version, here's what Fidel actually said.
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 08:33 AM by Mika
"Obama and the Blockade

Reflections by Comrade Fidel

Yesterday I referred to what was funny about the “Declaration of Commitment of Port of Spain”.

Today I could refer to what is tragic about it. I hope our friends do not take any offence in this. There were some differences between the draft that we received, which was going to be submitted by the hosts of the Summit, and the document that was finally published. In all that last-minute haste, there was hardly any time for anything. Some items had been discussed at long meetings held some weeks previous to the Summit. At the very last moment, proposals such as the one submitted by Bolivia, complicated even more the whole picture.

The Bolivian proposal was included as a note in the document. It stated that Bolivia considered that the implementation of policies and cooperation schemes aimed at expanding the use of bio-fuels in the western hemisphere could affect and have an impact on the availability of foodstuffs, the increase of food prices, deforestation, the displacement of populations as a result of the land demand, and that consequently this could make the food crisis to be even worse, which will directly affect low income persons and, most of all, the poorest economies among developing countries. The note added that the Bolivian government, while recognizing the need to look for and resort to environmentally friendly alternative sources of energy, such as the geothermal, solar, and eolic sources of energy, and to small and medium size hydro-power generators, it advocates for an alternative approach, based on the possibility of living well and in harmony with nature, in order to develop public policies aimed at the promotion of safe alternative energies that could ensure the preservation of the planet, our ‘mother land’.

When analyzing this note submitted by Bolivia please bear in mind that the United States and Brazil are the two biggest producers of bio-fuels in the world, something that is opposed by an increasing number of persons in the planet, whose resistance has been growing since the dark days of George Bush.

Obama’s advisors published in the Internet their version -in English- of the interview the US president granted to some journalists in Port of Spain. At one point, he asserted that there was something he found interesting –an added that he had known of it in a more abstract way but that he found it interesting in more specific terms- which was listening to these leaders who, when speaking about Cuba, did so referring specifically to the thousands of doctors Cuba is disseminating throughout the region, and finding how much these countries depended on them. He said this reminded them in the US of the fact that if their only interaction with many of these countries was the war on drugs; that if their only interaction was of a military character, then it was possible that they would not be developing connections that, with time, could enhance their influence with a positive effect when they may find it necessary to advance policies of their interest in the region.

He said he thought that was the reason why it was so important -for the sake of their interaction, not only here in this hemisphere, but in the whole world- to recognize that their military power was just part of their power, and that they have to resort to diplomacy and their aid to development in a more intelligent way, so that peoples could see concrete and practical improvements in the life of ordinary citizens, based on the foreign policy of the United States.

Jake, one of the journalists, said thanks to the President and added that in Port of Spain the President had listened to many Latin American leaders who want the US to lift the embargo against Cuba. The journalist reminded the President he had said that was an important influence that should not be eliminated. But he added that in 2004 the President did support the lifting of the embargo. He reminded the President he had said that the embargo had not managed to raise the standards of living, that it had squeezed the innocent, and that it was high time for the US to recognize that that particular policy had failed. The journalist wondered what made the President change his opinion with regards to the embargo.

The President responded that the year 2004 seemed to be thousands of years ago, and wondered what he himself was doing in 2004.

The journalist answered that back then he was running for the Senate. The President added that the fact that Raul Castro had said his government was ready to talk with the US government not only about the lifting of the embargo but also about other issues, namely, human rights and political prisoners, was a signal of progress. He said there were some things the Cuban government could do. He added that Cuba could release the political prisoners, reduce the surcharge imposed on remittances, which will correspond with the policies that they have applied, whereby Cuban-American families are allowed to send remittances. He said that it so happened that Cuba applies a very high surcharge. He said that Cuba is exacting significant profits. He added that this would be an example of cooperation where both governments would be working to help the Cuban family and improve the living standards in Cuba.

There is no doubt that the President misinterpreted Raul’s statements.

When the President of Cuba said he was ready to discuss any topic with the US President, he meant he was not afraid of addressing any issue. That shows his courage and confidence on the principles of the Revolution. No one should feel astonished that Raul spoke about pardoning those who were convicted on March, 2003, and about sending them all to the United States, should that country be willing to release the Five Cuban Anti-Terrorism Heroes. The convicts, as was already the case with the Bay of Pig’s mercenaries, are at the service of a foreign power that threatens and blockades our homeland.

Besides, the assertion that Cuba imposes a very high surcharge and obtains significant profits is an attempt by the President’s advisors to cause trouble and division among Cubans. Every country charges a certain amount for all hard currency transfers. If those are made in dollars, all the more reason we have to do it, because that is the currency of the country that blockades us. Not all Cubans have relatives abroad that could send them remittances. Redistributing a relatively small part of them to benefit those more in need of food, medicines and other goods is absolutely fair. Our homeland does not have the privilege of converting the money minted by the State into hard currency -something the Chinese very often call “junk money”- as I have explained on several occasions, which has been one of the causes of the present economic crisis. With what money the US is bailing out its banks and multinationals, while plunging future generations of Americans into indebtedness? Would Obama be ready to discuss those issues?

Daniel Ortega stated it very clearly when he remembered the first conversation he had with Carter, which today I will once more repeat:

“I had the opportunity to meet with President Carter, and when he told me that now, after the Somozas’ tyranny had been ousted, and the Nicaraguan people had defeated the Somozas’ tyranny, it was high time ‘for Nicaragua to change’, I said: ‘No, Nicaragua does not need to change; you are the ones that need to change. Nicaragua has never invaded the United States. Nicaragua has never mined the US ports. Nicaragua has never launched a single stone against the American nation. Nicaragua has not imposed any government on the United States. You are the ones that need to change, not the Nicaraguans.’ ”

At the press conference, as well as in the final meetings of the Summit, Obama looked conceited. Such attitude by the US President was consistent with the abject positions adopted by some Latin American leaders. Some days ago I said that whatever was said and done at the Summit will be known anyway.

When the US President said, in answering to Jake, that thousands of years had elapsed since 2004 until the present, he was superficial. Should we wait for so many years before his blockade is lifted? He did not invent it, but he embraced it just as much as the previous ten US presidents did. Should he continue down that same path, we could predict he would face a sure fiasco, just as all his predecessor did. That is not the dream entertained by Martin Luther King, whose role in the struggle for human rights will ever more illuminate the American people’s path.

We are living in a new era. Changes are unavoidable. Leaders just pass through; peoples prevail. There would be no need to wait for thousands of years to pass by; only eight years will be enough so that a new US President –who will no doubt be less intelligent, promising and admired in the world than Barack Obama- riding on a better armored car, or on a more modern helicopter, or on a more sophisticated plane, occupies that inglorious position.

Tomorrow we shall have more news about the Summit.

Fidel Castro Ruz

April 21, 2009

5:34 p.m. "
http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/2009/0422reflexionfidel.htm



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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:14 AM
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27. Or at least...
What the writer using the pen name "Fidel Castro Ruz" said.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:03 AM
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26. Surprised? That you would spin and distort Castro's words worse than FOX talking about Pelosi? No.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:36 PM
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28. Someone is standing in the way
of dialogue.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:45 PM
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31. Obama and now Hillary made errors in putting conditions on talks
It surely strikes the Castros as absurd that they condition talks on political prisoner releases when in GITMO the USA has committed the most vile abuses of the rights of political prisoners. Obama ... you can do better. Hillary ... your brother is married to a right wing Cuban American lawyer. Try to get away from that influence. We need to go forward.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:43 PM
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30. Hillary is indicating that congress could go ahead and lift the embargo
and this is something that Obama cannot do without congress. There is NO NEED to wait for Fidel.

History will absolve Fidel but not the fools who stick with the embargo. It is not right to embargo Cuba when we
trade with China and Vietnam. They are much worse abusers of human rights. We are not the liberators of Cuba.
Cuba liberated itself from US and Spanish domination a long time ago.

Time to move on and the ball is really in the CONGRESSES COURT !! How can anybody expect those old warriors to
concede when in fact they have for the most part won.

I support Obama on almost everything but feel he is arrogant on Cuba and I'm not sure if that is tactical or if
he is just getting bad advice.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:25 PM
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33. So is nepotism part of the communist plan?
If so Big Business is very communist.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:50 PM
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34. the jury is still out in N.Korea even though Kim was relected with 101% of the votes cast.....
but is is whiskey swilling son ready to fill daddy's shoes ?
Or will he go with 'the disturbed' son ?
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