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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:13 AM
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Immigration Agents to Turn Focus to Employers
Source: NY Times

"Under guidelines to be issued Thursday to Immigration and Customs Enforcement field offices, agents will be instructed to take aim at employers and supervisors for prosecution “through the use of carefully planned criminal investigations.”"

" Under the Bush administration , the officials said, most raids were conducted largely on the basis of tips that an employer was hiring illegal workers, rather than on information gleaned from audits of employer records or undercover investigations. As a result, agents rounded up thousands of illegal immigrants but rarely developed the evidence necessary to show whether businesses were knowingly using illegal labor ."

"“Enforcement efforts focused on employers better target the root causes of illegal immigration,” say the guidelines, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. “ICE must prioritize the criminal prosecution of actual employers who knowingly hire illegal workers because such employers are not sufficiently punished or deterred by the arrest of their illegal work force.”"

"The guidelines are a significant step toward President Obama’s pledge to overhaul the nation’s immigration system. The president’s aides said recently that he would ask Congress this year to consider changes that among other things would give legal status to the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants now in the country ."

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/us/politics/30immig.html?hp



President Obama knows that the first step to comprehensive immigration reform is to greatly improve current enforcement which will help satisfy the "enforcement only" and "just build a higher wall" types and deal with the fear that another wave of illegal immigrants will take the place of the ones here now. Prioritizing the criminal prosecution of actual employers who knowingly hire illegal workers is the best way to target the root causes of illegal immigration.

Then he can go on to a public discussion of immigration reform and possible legislation later on.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:33 AM
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1. This sounds like a good policy...
but I wonder how well it can be enforced. They're are a lot of shady contractors, builders, landscapers, etc who use illegals and I fear that ICE will never be staffed enough to deal with that.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:02 AM
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12. IT'S ABOUT TIME
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:40 AM
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2. Woooooooo Hooooooooooooooooooooooo....
Thom Hartmann has been advocating this approach for several yrs. Jail some CEO's and show them that you are serious and the problem goes away.....for the most part.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:06 AM
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3. anyone with any sense has been advocating this approach for years
Walls do, and will continue to do nothing to stop immigration. Arresting those who illegally provide jobs to immigrants over legal residents will stop the problem, or at least make it so small as to have little effect on the US job force.

Unfortunately, the big companies (think Walmart) will still go unscathed, because they hire contractors who then illegally hire workers and pass the responsibility down the ladder.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:30 AM
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6. It has to be a multi-pronged approach....
We need to look at countries like Germany for ideas.
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:12 AM
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4. Some one I know opened a franchise store
And he was instructed that all he had to do was ask for a social security number, he did not have to check the number or do anything else to verify that person was legal. He said that the franchise was almost telling you it was good to hire illegal workers. I thought that was terrible. He did not think it was his problem if the person was illegal, but he also is a republican.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:31 AM
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7. A question...
If someone has a name and a social, how the heck do you prove their illegal. I think by law you are prevented from asking anything more.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:05 AM
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13. E-Verify is one way that employers can go beyond just a name and social.
What is E-Verify

E-Verify is an Internet-based system operated by the Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (DHS) in partnership with the Social Security Administration (SSA) that allows participating employers to verify electronically the identity and employment eligibility of their newly hired employees, regardless of citizenship. Specifically, the SSA will verify that the name, Social Security number, and date of birth are correct, and the DHS will verify that the employee is in an employment-authorized immigration status.

Until recently, participation in E-Verify was completely voluntary....

http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=78162

United States: E-Verify Rule Suspended...Again!

29 April 2009

For the third time in four months, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has published a notice in the Federal Register extending the effective date of the E-Verify requirement for Federal Contractors. The mandatory E-Verify rule, originally slated to be implemented on Jan. 15, 2009, has been delayed until June 30, 2009. The effective date provides the Obama administration additional time to review the rule.

E-Verify is the federal government's method of electronically verifying that employees are authorized to work in the United States. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), enacted in 1996, provides the statutory basis for E-Verify.

As we reported in previous Labor and Employment Alerts both here and here, the federal government twice suspended the effective date of the rule back in January of 2009.

http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=78798

E-Verify enhancements improve accuracy rates
(April 27, 2009)
Issue:

You are considering using the federal government’s E-Verify program to electronically verify your new hires’ eligibility to work in the United States. You’ve heard mixed opinions about the program, however, including claims that its mismatch rate is unacceptably high. What is U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services (USCIS) doing to enhance E-Verify’s accuracy rates?

Answer:

Use of E-Verify has grown exponentially in the past several years, with an average of 1,000 employers enrolling each week . The percentage of cases queried through E-Verify that were automatically verified as work authorized has steadily improved: up from 83 percent in 2002, to 94.7 percent in 2007, to 96.1 percent in 2008 .

Source: "Priorities Enforcing Immigration Law," Testimony of Michael Aytes, USCIS Acting Deputy Director, April 2, 2009.

http://hr.cch.com/hhrlib/issues-answers/E-Verify-enhancements-improve-accuracy-rates.asp?date=April-27-2009
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I was surprised to find that the ACLU is opposed to electronic employment verification methods like E-Verify (at least it did in 2005).

" The American Civil Liberties Union (“ACLU”) recommends opposition to legislative proposals to establish a nationwide, electronic, employee work-eligibility verification system that requires any worker to obtain government pre-clearance to start a new job . Building such a system will cost the nation far more – in dollars, lost privacy and increased discrimination against lawful workers – than it will achieve in controlling undocumented immigrants. And this kind of system would, for the first time in American history, give the government the power to deny any willing worker, citizen or not, the ability to obtain a job. No willing worker should be forced to obtain the Department of Homeland Security’s permission to work, especially when that system will cause millions of work-eligible American citizens and lawful residents to be wrongly delayed or prevented from working and earning a living.

Proponents of such a system promise that this system will be easy and convenient, and will make the problem of undocumented immigrants simply disappear. Congress should not buy the hype. Building a government-run employment pre-clearance system will be complex, painful, and expensive, and will raise significant privacy issues at every step :

* Such a system will necessitate the issuance of redesigned high-tech ID cards -- likely including both Social Security cards and visa cards with biometric features -- at a cost of at least $4 billion. Those would be linked to a massive government database containing sensitive, personally identifiable information about every resident in the United States, whatever their citizenship or visa status, posing a substantial threat to U.S. residents’ personal privacy and civil liberties.

* Data errors and technological snafus will cause delays or denials of work opportunities for millions of citizens, hurting incomes, business productivity, and tax revenue at all levels of government.

* All told, the system will cost the country an estimated $11.7 billion per year.

* Additionally, the billions of tax dollars will be wasted trying to build, maintain, manage and improve a national database system in the face of what government reports have found will be enormous technological and logistical difficulties.

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/workplace/22415leg20051207.html
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:15 AM
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14. Interesting stuff...
I had heard briefly about this, but I appreciate the detail. Sounds like a good idea.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:18 AM
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15. good question, many will profile only hispanics as suspects
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 09:20 AM by AlphaCentauri
There should be a record of statistic on how e-verified is used. It could lead to discrimination by race or ethnic origin.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:32 AM
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18. Seems the way to avoid that is to have E-verify required for
every hire. Seems like it must spit out a record # that could then be attached to someone's W2 or W4.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:44 AM
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21. That could be an option
otherwise it could be just a discrimination tool for the waco minority haters or a tool to obtain personal information about an individual similar to the credit check reports
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:46 AM
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9. Ignorance of the law
Is not an excuse, and intentional ignorance is even worse.

He had to have known that hiring illegals is illegal, it's been publicized for a few years now.

When he's in a cell serving time for a felony conviction, I'm sure he'll blame the illegal employee, after all he is a Republican!
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:26 AM
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5. Yes, instead of focusing soley on the supply, go after the demand.
Somehow I think the business-is-sacrosanct Repub party will squawk at this approach, though.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:40 AM
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8. It's more cost-effective to go after the employers thant the employees. The emplyers is the bottle-
neck for the illegal activity.
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LittleGirl Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:49 AM
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10. the residual effect
I have a different take on this immigration problem. I am still waiting for my husband's resident Visa to be delivered to our home. We live in Germany and were told it would take 90 days. Which is (significantly) less time than doing it from the states. So we decided last fall to start the process. There are all kinds of restrictions about registering a foreign spouse (mine is British) to live in the states. Anyway, it's nearly May 1st and it's still not here.

What this means is that we can't move to the states until he gets this paperwork approved. We started this in mid-September; right as the meltdown of wall street occurred. We had every intention of him leaving his job and finding a job in the states so that we could be near our families again. (His live in CA and mine in the midwest).

And the residual effect on us is that there are hiring freezing all over the world, not just in the states, and anti-foreigner attitudes that will keep us out of the job market, both here and at home.

As to this original OP, yes, immigration needs some serious reform, including keeping spouses and their families together. And somehow the attitude against foreign workers needs to be improved as well. We're just trying to do it legally and it's costly, time consuming and frankly, I'm beginning to wonder why I continue to hope. /end rant
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:35 AM
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20. We spend little time discussing the flip side of immigration reform - how to make the system
work better for those who do follow the law.

We seem to spend most of our time discussing what to do about those who have not followed the law (the immigrants themselves and their employers) that we don't talk much about how to make the immigration system work better for those who do want to follow the law. Bottlenecks in the legal immigration system, extreme delays in visa processing, and limited numbers for those who want to immigrate legally, can reduce the flow of legal immigrants. They do nothing to diminish the urge of many others to immigrate.

Maybe we get the immigration system that we really want. Do we want one that operates efficiently and allows for liberal, legal immigration or one that is a bureaucratic mess and enforces limited legal immigration (kind of a NO-immigration system)?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:15 AM
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22. welcome to the site!
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:56 AM
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11. 'bout friggen time
treat those that encourage illegal immigration as criminals not those that come to provide for their families.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:23 AM
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16. The only reason this wasn't done by Bushco was Rethugs love cheap labor. nt
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 09:24 AM by Mist
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:28 AM
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17. Bout DAMN time. n/t
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 09:35 AM
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19. these will please self deportation advocates
so for how long this will postpone immigration reform?
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