Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture

[MiaCulpa]

Source: Raw Story

Chicago radio host Erich "Mancow" Muller decided he'd get himself waterboarded to prove the technique wasn't torture.

It didn't turn out that way. "Mancow," in fact, lasted just six or seven seconds before crying foul. Apparently, the experience went pretty badly -- "Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop," according to NBC Chicago.

"The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South told his audience before he was waterboarded on air. "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."

Mancow was set on a 7-foot long table with his legs elevated and his feet tied.

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "

The upshot? "It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow told listeners. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

The 42-year-old radio host is no stranger to controversy. In 2005, he was maligned for saying that then-Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean was "vile," "bloodthirsty," "evil" and "should be kicked out of America."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/conservative-radio-hosts-waterboarded/

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I guess he's not laughing any more...

-Diane

[emulatorloo]

1. Hannity are you reading? Recommending . . .

[MidwestTransplant]

34. OH pretty please

[LiberalFighter]

84. They should put a rubber hose up his ass too.

[jtrockville]

93. Crush. His. Testicles.

[Ken Burch]

125. He'd have to HAVE testicles to crush

(just sayin')

[Twitch14]

219. He's got more than the rest of those jokers.

They might still be small, shriveled, and inadequate, but that's still more than Hannity.

[Ken Burch]

231. I thought we were talking ABOUT Hannity.

n/t.

[MADem]

230. I don't get these vitriolic comments. The guy admits he was wrong, and

people want to beat him up?

What is up with that?

[zbdent]

121. I thought that was how they got to his nose ...

[madeline_con]

157. A hot poker would be much more fun. eom

[MADem]

229. Why? He's alreacy acknowledged that he was wrong. Why keep on?

That's what the other side does.

I say this is a victory for people who live in the real world.

[stewartcolbert08]

136. I would pay good money

To see Hannity go through with this!

[zbdent]

120. "wait ... was that his signal that he had enough, or was it something else I can't remember at this

time? Keep going until I remember ..."

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[leveymg]

2. Paging Mr. Limpballs. Table for One!

A waiter will be right with you.

[lala_rawraw]

23. LMAO!!!

[leveymg]

28. I ripped that off from Robin Williams in Patch Adams

How ya doin', Lala?

Did we actually win, or is a sense of disgruntled reality settling back in around here?

[lala_rawraw]

119. we won

the battle, not the war. it is far from over. but it is always about one battle at a time. am i disgruntled? entirely. but that is nothing new. how are you?

[leveymg]

212. The Best of Times and The Worst of Times,

to liberate another cultural icon. You know, Same as it Ever Was. Make that three cultural expropriations in a row. Phew . . .

Sit me down. Shut me up. I'll calm down. - guess I'm just in one of those iconic moods.

[lala_rawraw]

228. How many more songs can you

throw at me?:D

[George II]

116. Yes - funny, but for Rush it would have to be a table for two, a reinforced table!

[LAGranny]

161. Lala

....When do we get the latest update from you at "Raw Story" about what's going on with the Don Siegelman case? I've been checking the site every day to see your evaluation concerning the latest news coming out about retired Federal Judge Clemon's letter to AG Holder and the investigation Paul Benton Weeks,an Attorney in Missouri, did about the so-called "Judge" Mark Fuller, who presided over Gov. Don's SECOND trial.

[MrMickeysMom]

49. You'll need 2 tables for him...

One for the pig man and the other for his explosive piles of Limpball shit!

eeeeeeee-youuuuu!

[wordpix]

195. he'll need two tables just for his fat ass, not to mention the piles

[MrMickeysMom]

237. Oh, yeah... forgot about his piles...

That's the result of sitting on his fat ass for years, never having gotten off of it to vote until past the age of 30 something, wasn't it?

Now, he's stuck to his seat. All he can do is bob up and down and up and down.... Look everybody. It's a weak bag of wind trying to represent the Republican party he never bothered to join until getting a job in radio!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Optical.Catalyst]

85. Forget the talk radio nut jobs

I want ever single member of the Bush Administration waterboarded

They can start on National Television with

Dick Cheney

followed by

Condoleezza Rice
Don Rumsfeld
John Ashcroft
Albert0 Gonzales
Tom Ridge
Michael Chertoff

for starters.

That ought to take up about a one hour program.

Let them all say on television that it is not torture

[howmad1]

146. Yea, you would think the democrats......

....would have the brains to challenge Cheney to be waterboarded every time he opens his pie hole about waterboarding not being torture. But nooooo, we fucking democratics have to play nice and be scared that the "Murkins" will not elect us in 2010. We democrats gotta be scared of Cheney cause he's the big, bad boogy man. This whole torture thing could be put to bed in one minute. "Mr. Cheney, I challenge you to be waterboarded!" Yea, I can't wait for Mr. magic underwear (Harry Reid) to make that statement. I am getting so fed up with the democratic party. Did they think they won an election in 2008? How sadly mistaken they are.

[llmart]

141. Well, in his case......

Limpballs is so friggen' fat he might need two tables.

[wordpix]

194. Hey! Don't mention his name for 30 days, lol

[sellitman]

3. It's not torture.

It's FUCKING TORTURE!!!!!!

[lamp_shade]

4. K&R

[PassingFair]

5. Hitchens did the same about-face....

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/video/2008/hitchens_video200808

[ZombieHorde]

18. Very interesting video. nd

[Divine Discontent]

35. I'm amazed people can stomach watching those vids. they make me uncomforatble.

I don't like thinking about it, which tells me ALL I need to know that it's absolute torture.

Why doesn't DICKKKKKKKKKKKKK volunteer to prove us wrong?

AMERICA DOES NOT TORTURE! Yeah georgie porgie puddin' and pie, you told a big fat mother load of a lie!

[Cha]

127. That should really be the next phase of

this debate. I don't like even thinking about it, either, and really didn't know what it was until I read the description in the OP.

[jhrobbins]

166. I don't think I was exactly 'uncomfortable' , but I did notice my heart beat was up just watching

[Soylent Brice]

38. just watched. thank you for the link.

[defendandprotect]

80. Thank you -- I have a hate/love relationship with Chris Hitchens . . .

I like the early Hitchens . . .
but sad to see that he was evidently before this denying
that it is torture!

I think it's insane that he may have done this out of true
stupidity about it -- but I do appreciate that he was trying to
say what the whole experience was like -- and the subsequent
nighmares!

It has to be a prime level of stupidity/arrogance/thoughtlessness
to ever suggest that this is not torture.

Good job, Hitchens!

[nytemare]

193. I disagree with him on the Iraq War

But he did the waterboarding Vanity Fair thing way before it became "in-vogue". That is true journalism.

I do agree with him on evolution. Although he can get soused and sometimes be prickly, in reading his book I saw he is a true humanist.

[defendandprotect]

202. What is he saying on evolution?

Is he supporting the war in Iraq?!

I don't pay any attention to him -- 20 years ago, yes.

And, I do note that he is drinking a great deal.

A while back -- may 10++ years ago -- his brother, who is a conservative

and a journalist came to work in America. At that time, Hitchens was

still considered a liberal, I think.

I never got around to his book on Mother Teresa -- meant to at least scan it.

[LiberalFighter]

86. They were awfully concerned about Hitchens' safety during the exercise.

[SemperEadem]

98. Has Hitchens previously said that waterboarding isn't torture?

I haven't seen or read that. Got a link?

[AlbertCat]

148. I Know! What a bunch of stupid dumbfucks.

I certainly don't need to try it to know it's torture. Who the hell would believe Dick Cheney over 1000s of years of reports? Y'know, this is why language and history are not just for nerds. You can actually learn something from others' experiences! Guess what guys! If you stick your finger in a socket while soaking wet, there's a good chance you'll get shocked. Do you need my word for it? Ask Dick if you don't believe me. Or ask the electricians at KBR.

[crim son]

236. It's v. disturbing, how neatly and professionally

the torturers go about their work.

[thereismore]

6. This should get some TV exposure. I hope there is video. nt

[sledgehammer]

25. Video is in the article. n/t

[Kerrytravelers]

7. So I guess this is what it is going to take to get people to wake up.

Should the favorite media personality of all those still supporting torture get in line at the waterboard so we can finally end this unamerican conversation? Unbelievable.

[stubtoe]

74. Could not have said it better myself.

Unamerican conversation indeed!

[stubtoe]

235. I had to follow up on this.

Over the past couple of weeks I've been searching my local red fishwrap (statesmanjournal.com, Oregon) for ltte's, opinion pieces and blog entries from the usual suspects, in strident support of torture.

Since this story hit the fan, I can't find ANY.

Not another peep about how "waterboarding is not torture".

This story and video served a major purpose - shutting down the unamerican conversation.

[tridim]

8. I assume KO will be all over this one, but I'm emailing it anyway.

Case fucking closed.

[nichomachus]

9. Wow -- if a "real man" like that can't take it

:sarcasm:

Most of these "conservative" blowhard are blatant cowards. I love it when they forget that their bravado is only an act.

[mwb970]

177. Are we going to have to convince them one at a time though?

What gets me about wingnuts is that previous history or the experiences of other people seem to mean nothing to them. A number of right-wing jerks had already pulled this "I'll show you it's not torture" stunt, with the same results, long before Muller threw his cow. Even if he was completely, blissfully ignorant of the hundreds of years of history involving this technique, why does he not even know what happened to his fellow Hannity Wannabes who went down the same road? (Actually, the unwaterboarded Hannity is the wannabe.)

The other (related) thing that gets me about wingnuts is that they simply cannot feel or appreciate anyone's pain or suffering except their own. They seem completely devoid of empathy (there's that word again) for others, like sociopaths or other emotionally disturbed individuals. Frequent churchgoers are the biggest advocates of illegal torture!

The behavior of the American Taliban makes it easier to answer that perennial question about the "good Germans" and why they stood by while evil was committed in their names. I think an awful lot of them may have been ignorant fools just like this "Mancow" clown.

[nichomachus]

184. If these people stopped and thought for one second

They wouldn't do anything they do. The only way they can be a "conservative talk show host" is to completely ignore rationality, sanity, history, etc.

You can't do what they do and be a thinking, rational person.

But, they get paid well for it, so they continue.

[TankLV]

206. they simply cannot feel or appreciate anyone's pain or suffering except their own

that's all that need to be said - that's it in a nutshell, isn't it...

fucking HYPOCRITES!!!

[pkdu]

10. Already on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0

[pkdu]

11. And he lied - it was only 5 secs n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

72. The main purpose of torture is to get false confessions

One well documented effect of torture is that, with rare exceptions, its victims will say or do anything to escape the situation, including untrue "confessions" and implication of others without genuine knowledge, who may well then be tortured in turn.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

54. 5.5 seconds

[Posteritatis]

158. "I already hate this"

Is that the sweet, ringing clang of a Clue striking home?

That's something I can never argue with, though it sucks that it takes that much to do it at times.

[okieinpain]

244. what's really funny, well I guess not funny, interesting is mancow

didn't even get the full treatment. with hitchen's they blind fold him and had his hands tied up. just imagine what it's like when they don't stop and keep doing it over and over again.

[LakeSamish706]

12. Now if only they would get Cheney, Bush, and the rest of the Bush Administration on tables...

I would love to see that happen, but of course it never will cause then it would be torture.

[defendandprotect]

87. Probably just the threat of it would get us the WHOLE STORY . ..

from 9/11 to torture -- on and on . . .

[MikeE]

97. Actually I'd like to see Cheney locked up

and his daughters and grandchild tortured in front of him so that he can really experience what some of those people did, (but that would be wrong)

[I Have A Dream]

223. ....

:wtf:

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[RoccoR5955]

51. Hannity and Rush would last longer than Mancow, because...

Hannity is a Manatee, and Rush is a Seacow!
Mancow is a land mammal!

[Ian David]

52. I just posted that on Twitter and gave you credit :) n/t

[frog92969]

14. I find this truely sickening

The media is turning torture into a circus side show..including Keith O.

We already know it's torture, that's why we imprisoned and executed people for it.
And the precedent's there for the criminals today.

[RufusTFirefly]

37. I agree.

Although it's good that these right-wing blowhards are realizing even in a non-threatening environment that water boarding is torture, I find it pretty disturbing that we are all being desensitized to atrocities.

Suggesting that X, Y, or Z "should get water-boarded" is just a step or two away from suggesting that someone should be shot or hanged.

[Mopar151]

168. Is'nt that the penalty for treason?

Or murder, kidnapping with death resulting, rape.......

I would agree that the sideshow aspects are a bit much. I despise ElFlushbo, but I got no desire to watch him shit himself

[madrchsod]

40. i agree with you...it is a sick carnival side show

[frog92969]

62. I think we're in the minority here

Most in this thread are picking their victims and cheering the madness.

I thought I was an oddball here as a pro-gun pro-DP Democrat,
looking around I feel like the hardcore Liberal.

[AlbertCat]

151. Most in this thread are picking their victims and cheering the madness.

C'mon! That's merely because they know it won't happen. Same for KO. Olbermann is turning the hypocrisy into a stunt. Hannity and Hitchens and this clown have made torture a side show stunt.

[annabanana]

100. I am profoundly saddened that there are people who refuse to acknowledge

that it's torture unless they are subjected to it. I don't like the carnival atmosphere either, but I understand that it may serve at least one purpose here.

[frog92969]

105. There is that...

I guess.
:shrug:

I can't help thinking about the "Backyard Wrestling" mentality,
and the drowned kids that are bound to result from this attitude put forth in the mainstream.

We didn't laugh when our enemies did it, and I find this far less humorous.

[jhrobbins]

167. Geez, I hadn't thought about that-that some dim bulb teenage boy, trying to

impress his friends might do something like this and the answer is, of course some dip shit will try it - if they haven't already.

But I don't think it is necessarily just the media that is making this a 'sideshow' - it is Cheney's tattoo about it

[orleans]

104. i agree. how fucked up is it that every asshole who thinks waterboarding

is not torture is only gonna change their view on it if they get waterboarded themselves. jesus!

[George II]

117. How else are we going to show the world how bad it is? It MUST be made into a sideshow.

[llmart]

142. I agree with you.

We were outraged that the Bush administration wouldn't even show the caskets of our dead soldiers coming home let alone the horror of the Iraq war. Many here thought, and rightfully so, that showing the misery would wake up the comatose Americans. As a baby boomer who came of age during Viet Nam, those images of the My Lai massacre and the little girl running naked, crying and many other images were what brought out the outrage enough to bring more attention to the atrocities of that war.

Yes, we shouldn't have to be shown images to "get it", but the fact is that most Americans are very apathetic.

[AngryOldDem]

209. I see your point BUT...

...there are a lot of Right wingnuts who are still of the mind that this is harmless and of little or no consequence. Maybe when they see their idols getting the shit scared out of them, and realizing that yes, this is indeed torture, the groupies will finally get it. For a lot, many won't believe it until Hannity, Limpballs, Mancow etc., say it's true.

[Robbien]

15. Getting a bit of water up one's nose while showering or while washing hair

hurts like the dickens.

It makes no sense for anyone to believe that getting more than a bit of water up one's nose isn't painful.

Dumb GOPers.

[Ian David]

16. And he still might die from "dry drowning."

Dry drowning
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_drowning


Boy’s death highlights a hidden danger: Dry drowning
10-year-old died more than an hour after getting out of swimming pool
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24982210/

[DeSwiss]

67. .....

[Ohio Joe]

17. When does a repug volunteer for genital cutting...

so we can all become convinced that THAT is not torture.

[Harry Monroe]

48. I'm waiting for one to volunteer for genital shocking

"Remember, red is positive, black is negative and make sure his nuts are wet"

[nvme]

186. best to use salt water

it conducts better

[Ian David]

19. Incredible video: Conservative radio host Mancow gets waterboarded, admits it's "absolutely torture"

Incredible video: Conservative radio host Mancow gets waterboarded, admits it's "absolutely torture"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/22/mancow-waterboarded-video_n_206906.html

[ClusterFreak]

20. Waterboarding is torture...whether you're a progressive....

...or a cocky, scum-sucking chickenhawk like this motherfucker.

[Ian David]

21. OMFG! He was complaining that just putting the towel on his face hurt his nose!

Conservatives are such babies.

They should do it to him again, just to make sure.

[Ian David]

22. And they went EASY on him! See this longer-version here...

Conservative talkshow host 'Mancow' gets waterboarded, says it's torture.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=315799&mesg_id=315799

[Politicalboi]

24. What a Pussy

If Sean Hannity wasn't so busy he would show him up. :rofl: I bet Sean is going with Bush next month to Canada so he won't be available.

[louis-t]

218. I think repugs should have a contest.

C'mon, line up all you he-men. See who can outdo Mancow. Whoever lasts the longest gets a date with Coulter.

[Cherchez la Femme]

226. Impossible

There ARE NO "he-men" in the puke party.
Just cowards, chickenhawks, draft dodgers (to them, *deferments* which doesn't make the reality any different) and keyboard commandos.

The only time they approach 'he-men' status is when THEY have guns and are against an unarmed populace.
So, not he-men but craven cowards.

[AllenVanAllen]

26. Of course it's torture Mancow

only ignorant people think it's not.

[Norrin Radd]

27. No shit! forced drowning is torture.

[ejpoeta]

29. it's not fair if they get to say to stop. the people tortured didn't get to say stop now.

[Soylent Brice]

30. awesome.

now if only we could get hannity and rushbo to sign up.

[SeeHopeWin]

31. HA NNI TY HA NNI TY HANNITY.....

Torture the mother fucker, NOWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[felinetta]

32. Hannity, I dare you to get waterboarded. You won't even address it!

Talk is cheap! You're just one more chickenshit right winger! 
Surprise, surprise!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

33. I'm glad he was honest about it.

He could have kept his experience a secret.

He really ought to get to know Dr Dean, though.

[harun]

135. Yah, can't be a total freeper if he was able to tell the truth once.

[maxsolomon]

36. hahahaha HA!

come on congress, DO SOMETHING. investigate. Obam put the ball in your court. Take the shot.

[hangman86]

39. OK Fox and Friends

You're up.

[garybeck]

41. WHY DOES THIS VIDEO have only 300 views on Youtube???????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0

view it, rate it, share it

[gblady]

46. no way would I watch it

eom

[Divine Discontent]

76. I wish I didn't. it's torture, and his was only politely done with a few seconds of water. I won't

watch another one ever. It's torture and shame is on the soul's of those who encourage it knowing it IS, and on those who refuse to believe it is when they won't even take a few seconds to think about it.

good for you not watching!

[garybeck]

89. people need to know what we're doing

you don't have to watch it because you don't condone it. those who think it's child's play need to watch it

[NewJeffCT]

182. Up to 127,000 views now

last comment I saw was, "it's still not torture, mancow is a pussy"

[Bette Noir]

42. He may not be laughing, but I am.

[AlphaCentauri]

43. Ain't Nothin' Like the Real Thing Baby

K&R

[notesdev]

44. "waterboarding is not torture"

was, from the start, a very shaky ground on which to make a stand.

By the way, epidemic rape in our prison system is ALSO torture, so why don't we take the momentum gained here and put a stop to that illegal, unconscionable phenomenon as well?

[Enthusiast]

171. I've heard Reich WIng types

say it is a deterrent to crime.

[notesdev]

181. As have I

Instant way for me to think them lower than dirt.

[Enthusiast]

185. Yup, they are lower than dirt. nt

[Are_grits_groceries]

45. Best post from another site:

"Whoa, why the rush to judgement, Mancow? Maybe it gets better the next 182 times."

WadISay says at 4:52 pm, May 22nd, 2009
http://wonkette.com/408728/cocky-right-wing-radio-host-gets-waterboarded-goes-insane-in-six-seconds#more-408728

Heh!!

[valerief]

47. LOL!!!!!

:rofl:

[ArbustoBuster]

69. Do we give out honorary DUzys?

Because that comment REALLY deserves one! :D

[annabanana]

102. yeeouch. . . . .n/t

[Reform]

50. He got it done lightly to

the towel should have covered his entire face nose and mouth
None the less at least he has the balls to try it and admit it is torture.

[Chichiri]

53. Huh. Some assholes DO have balls.

Kudos to Mancow for that much, at least.

[GreenTea]

55. Are they showing this video news story on Fox news, how about the pigman, how long would he last

less than 6 seconds?

[TankLV]

208. How 'bout that little SHIT on "Fuck Your Friends"!

Now THAT's the FIRST repuke asshole I WANT to see it done to...

[pnwmom]

56. And he got the milder, by-the-book version.

As opposed to the souped up method they've used in the field.

[GreenTea]

59. Please elaborate for us all and the skeptics who'll read this...for ammo against the inevitable

republicans spin, who will lie and say this republican got it worse than the real prisoners by Cheney/CIA!

[pnwmom]

63. The CIA's definition of waterboarding in 2002 states that water is applied

in a "controlled manner." Some reports describe water being "dripped" onto the cloth. However, other accounts say that in the field the procedure has escalated and that water has simply been poured on the cloth in an uncontrolled way. I've also read descriptions of plastic wrap being put over the victim's face during the procedure.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

The United States's Office of Legal Counsel stated the CIA's definition of waterboarding in a Top Secret 2002 memorandum as follows:
In this procedure, the individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds due to the presence of the cloth… During those 20 to 40 seconds, water is continuously applied from a height of twelve to twenty-four inches. After this period, the cloth is lifted, and the individual is allowed to breathe unimpeded for three or four full breaths… The procedure may then be repeated. The water is usually applied from a canteen cup or small watering can with a spout… You have… informed us that it is likely that this procedure would not last more than twenty minutes in any one application."

[LaPera]

68. So the republican dude had it much easier than the water-boarding Guantanamo prisoners routinely

received. This should be made clear to all -

"The individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds due to the presence of the cloth… During those 20 to 40 seconds, water is continuously applied from a height of twelve to twenty-four inches. After this period, the cloth is lifted, and the individual is allowed to breathe unimpeded for three or four full breaths… The procedure may then be repeated. The water is usually applied from a canteen cup or small watering can with a spout… You have… informed us that it is likely that this procedure would not last more than twenty minutes in any one application."

[pnwmom]

75. That's true. He had it for only 6 seconds, and he was in control.

Even in the by-the-book method, the victim undergoes the procedure for at least 20 seconds at a time, and over and over again for 20 minutes.

[orleans]

114. people who are tortured are HELD DOWN IN PLACE

they are not allowed to throw little cows and sit up whenever they want to.

[GreenTea]

73. Thanks pnwmom!

[heliarc]

243. In the Kaj Larsen video the stream of water...

is certainly more controlled than when performed by the butthole in the Mancow vid...

[Doctor_J]

106. Well, for one thing, he had a toy cow that he could tap out with.

He also KNEW that they weren't going to kill him. That's two differences

[KeepItReal]

57. Christopher Hitchens *tried* to tell you, fool!

"Here is the most chilling way I can find of stating the matter. Until recently, “waterboarding” was something that Americans did to other Americans. It was inflicted, and endured, by those members of the Special Forces who underwent the advanced form of training known as sere (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape). In these harsh exercises, brave men and women were introduced to the sorts of barbarism that they might expect to meet at the hands of a lawless foe who disregarded the Geneva Conventions. But it was something that Americans were being trained to resist, not to inflict."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

[CarlottaCorday]

70. Sheeee-it, Hitchins is a brave, brass-balled son of a B.

No Mankitty Hannity there!
Riveting article, thank you so much.

[KG]

191. appeantly though, hitchens actually enjoys a good 'bourbon-boarding'

[CarlottaCorday]

58. This "S" crowd does not do "m".

Mancow, I'm proud of you by God.

After what you did, it looks even WORSE for Mankitten Hannity and the rest of the "never served, never will" Republicans, you know, the Cheneys (father and daughter both), the Limbaughs, the Boehners, the WHOLE gang, none of whom ever served this country or ever will, most of whom dodged the draft in their own day and are comfortable that nobody knows it, since the television media is so kind as to never, EVER bring it up. They are evil, bloodthirsty, and should be kicked out of this country. But who would have them? Seriously, who would have them?

:toast: To you, Mancow. (Funny name, lol. Sense of humor there!)

[RamboLiberal]

64. Thank you ManCow - he's provided us with a challenge

to all those RW blowhards out there who claim it isn't torture.

We need to challenge every one of them to try to last longer than ManCow and tell us it isn't torture.

[walldude]

150. Um.. Mancow is an asshole.

You've never heard him have you? He did this to shut us up. To tell the American people that it wasn't torture and that anyone who says it is is a liar and is just out to persecute the Bush administration. Tomorrow he'll be back on the air spouting his usual shit. His new line will be "well it's torture and it works so it's still ok." The man's ego is too huge for him to actually learn anything from this experience. All it did was tell him he needed a new tact in defending the torturers.

[Dangerously Amused]

60. And he wasn't even under the physical and mental duress the other prisoners were.

Well, good for him for going through with it, and for being honest about the experience. Gotta give credit where credit is due; it surely isn't pleasant to admit so completely that one was wrong when one has taken an impassioned and public position on a controversial issue.

[sammythecat]

198. Yes, the real life context always seems to be ignored.

The focus is always on the waterboarding itself with no consideration of the "enhanced techniques" that precede it and come after. The real life scenario is incomparably worse than what Hitchens and Mancow experienced.

I knew Mancow existed, but I knew practically nothing else about him until I read this thread, and I also agree that he deserves credit for doing a 180 and admitting he was totally wrong.

[JohnWxy]

61. well, at least this guy had the balls to experience it. That's more than any other conservative

mouth will do.


recommended!

[Ready4Change]

65. Any links to him BEFORE this?

I'd be curious to here him talk about this before trying it out. From the vid he was getting nervous before laying down on the table, so I'm wondering if he was all bold the day before, or if he'd always been more open minded?

[MisterK]

66. and He KNEW he wasnt gonna die

It isnt real torture until you get the physcological part of it. You must think youre going to drown for it to be real torture.

So mancow balked even on fake torture. Typical conservative weiner

[C_U_L8R]

111. Yes... the entire experiment was in his hands

Mancow had absolutely control over his own waterboarding and he still folded (with a ghastly look on his face of realization)
And on top of that... that was some pretty gentle waterboarding.
Just imagine how horrific the real thing can be.

Hannity.. you're next.

[democracy1st]

140. right imagine if they had scared that lil punk for 48hrs before waterboarding

[Posteritatis]

160. Two brains going on there

The human one going into something like that, with the whole setup described ahead of time, etc., would know that you're going to be safe.

The older brain sitting aft of that doesn't, though.

I'm guessing that it's possible in that kind of situation to know you're not going to die and "know" you are at the same time, anyway.

[Khaotic]

71. I Knew Muller ...

Way back in college when he was working for KOKO in Higginsville, Mo. and going to college at CMSU.

I met him once and the only exchange of conversation was him giving me shit for drinking a Moosehead beer.

Anyway, I give him props for doing all he has w/ his career. Much much much more than I did w/ my broadcasting degree.

On the flip side, he's not your average blind conservative, but he loves to trash people and loves to think he's your joe-six-pack kind of dude. He even appeared in a cameo, as himself, in a porn movie (not a performer, just as himself on the mic while porn stars were in the studio doing there 'thing').

I give him his props for his achievements and for not siding with the 'right' ALL THE TIME. They embrace him because he appeals to joe-six-pack and he can use all the publicity he can muster.

However, he has filled in for Micheal Savage before and I frown on the fact that he can't wake up to how the 'right' uses him. He's more of a Libertarian than anything, and needs to get his head out of his ass.

Looks like he had his ass handed to him on this one. Maybe he'll wake up now and see that us 'Libs' aren't a bunch of idiots and don't pigeon hole things into black and white for a reason.

There's a GOOD reason why we try to see things from other perspectives and we DON'T need to get ourselves waterboarded to know that we shouldn't be using such tactics on enemy combatants unless we're ready to condone such tactics to be used on our own troops by our enemies.

Erich is a good guy in all, as I would hang with him, talk shit about Mid-Missouri and CMSU, and have some beers. He's like so so so so many Missouri dudes that have NEVER served in the Military (as I have), but have conservative and judgemental opinions that are 'tough guy' type attitudes.

That's okay while swilling beer at a bonfire in B.F.E. Missouri, but it's too bad guys like Erich can't think a little more straight when they have a national audience like Muller does.

Good luck to Erich and his future ... I can only hope he's a little more enlightened in his observations and opinions.

Khaotic

[Khaotic]

77. VIDEO HERE

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html

Take a look ... he did not have much fun.

[MellowDem]

78. Mancow is a douche nt

[Deep13]

79. If it wasn't torture, they would not be doing it. nt

[OnionPatch]

112. My first thought.

[happygoluckytoyou]

81. More MAD or more KOW... credit for doing it... but what an ASS for all the TALK HE WAS

[time_has_come]

82. SIX SECONDS? COUNT IT, HE LASTED FOUR SECONDS, IF THAT.

Come on Raw Story, get the story straight.

[SpiralHawk]

83. Bring on the Republicon Chickenhawk Propaganda freaks

Lets have a Group Waterboarding for them -- and then then can tell us whether torture is torture. We might actually get some truth out of them for once.

[santamargarita]

88. I would have made it last much longer to give us time to enjoy...

watching one of these right-wing assholes see what it's really like!

[Flatulo]

145. Sure. Anyone who doesn't have the brains to recognize that torture is inhuman ...

...should be tortured.

Nice set of values ya got there dude. Did your parents teach those to you?

[pattmarty]

90. I was born & raised in the Chgo area for 54 yrs. This piece of shit............

...........has been on the radio in Chgo for quite a while. He has always been a fucking POS. Stupid shit, trying to out Howard Stern when he became popular. Plain and simple, a POS.

[90-percent]

91. Only....

Only 186 more waterboarding sessions until he breaks the Bush Administrations record!

-90% Jimmy

[ProfessorGAC]

92. I've Been Putting Up With Mancow's Torture For 15 years

At least. He's a complete fool and we've been hearing him on Chicago radio, and hearing about him as if he's important for FAR too long.
GAC

[tiny elvis]

94. My brother asked me to waterboard him

a few months ago. He wanted to know. He layed in the bath tub with his face under the faucet. I pre soaked a wash cloth and placed it over his face. I turned the faucet on and counted to myself. I counted to six, then he jumped up so fast that I feel fortunate he didn't whack the faucet with his head. He was embarassed that he didn't last longer, but he said the water up his nose and down his windpipe was cause for panic. Now he knows. Chris Hitchens lasted twice as long, but they didn't pre soak the towel when they did it to him.

[Lerkfish]

99. ummmm.... WHY would yo do this?

this is dangerous at best, even with professional health care people present.

[tiny elvis]

132. You have irrational fears

So do I. I won't fly without urgent need. When I go in a high building I feel a need to cling to a wall. I'm not afraid of drowning. I don't know why. How did you come by your irrational fear of inhaling a couple of ounces of water? Willingly, I think.

[Flatulo]

147. I don't think fear of drowning is irrational. Water in your intakes

will cause anyone to absolutely and completely panic. There is no way to control this reaction.

I almost drowned when I was 12. I actually breathed in water. Lucky for me my brother was there to grab me and pull me out.

The experience was so traumatic that it took me 10 years to go in the water again. I had nightmares about it for years.

[Lerkfish]

152. irrational, no. I once saved a near drowning victim and almost got pulled under

myself as they, panicked, tried to climb on top of me and kept pushing me under.

no. not irrational. If you've never involuntarily had water forced into your lungs through both nose and mouth you have no idea.


and, what you did (if you did it) was dangerous, irresponsible and criminal.

[tiny elvis]

165. I think that's silly

You couldn't drown a baby bunny with the amount of water any of these testers inhaled. You expound the party line with zealous exaggeration and grave admonition. I can't take you seriously.

[Lerkfish]

197. well, you're right, there's obviously someone here who cannot be taken seriously

but it isn't me.

maybe you made a wrong turn on the series of tubes, dude.

[Lerkfish]

211. further: I"m interested why describing drowning is a "party line" ?

can you explain that a bit more explicity?

[tiny elvis]

220. and you call yourself a fish

You're hardcore, which is sometimes admirable, but you aren't making much sense to me. Sorry if I don't make sense to you, either. Your question is insincere. Carry on.

[Lerkfish]

222. you cannot explain why describing the sensation of drowning is a "party line"?

which party do you belong to?


for someone with only 6 posts, you certainly seem to have a hard on to prove waterboarding is not torture.

[tiny elvis]

224. I know

that the brevity of my comment allows misinterpretation or calumny. I do not internalize and expand the party line to absurdity. Use that as you will.
'for someone with only 6 posts, you certainly seem to have a hard on to prove waterboarding is not torture.'
You have foregone objective meaning (reason) for the sake of what?
Enforcing an absurd exaggeration of the party line.

[Lerkfish]

227. well, I can see conversing with you is more enjoyable for you than me.

tata.

[NickB79]

238. Google "Dry Drowning"

It doesn't take much water at all to kill someone if it gets into their lungs.

What you did could absolutely have killed your brother. What are you, 14?

[tiny elvis]

241. could absolutely

is a phrase without real meaning, just an emotional outburst. What is 'much water at all'? I could absolutely not have much interest at all in your gruesomely exciting link.
I can't take you seriously.

[bongbong]

95. Definitions

A Liberal is a Conservative who has been waterboarded.

[Independent_Liberal]

96. Six seconds! Ha!

Let's see what Mr. Hannity has to say about this!

:D

[Lerkfish]

101. I would wish this on my worst enemy

so, even though I applaud this idiot being truthful at it being torture, I do not understand why its even a debate.

[nickgutierrez]

103. It'll be interesting to see how he presents this issue on his show now.

He admits it's torture - which it is - and as much as I don't really want to say this: good for him on that. What really gets interesting is if he argues (as I suspect he will) that it's torture but it's ok to do to "the terrorists" anyway, or if he actually comes to the logical conclusion based on ethics, morals, common sense, and the law.

[Doctor_J]

107. This is fake waterboarding too

when it's done to Hannity, he should actually think he's going to die.

[Mermaid7]

108. A Mockery, an Embarrassment and a Publicity Stunt

To even pretend Mancow went through anything traumatic for a whole 3 seconds, by known trusted individuals who plainly weren't out to kill or drown him, and to compare it to what prisoners/suspected terrorists went through is just plain ludicrous.

For him it was all a publicity stunt, to draw attention to himself. And even given the circumstance under which it was conducted he freaked out with just the thought of how bad it could get.

So how did the one's who were really subjected ruthlessly to this treatment feel???

[Doctor_J]

109. These right-wing chickenhawks might respond to physical intimidation

if after it was discovered that Tim McVeigh was a Limbecile, 6-8 hate radio "stars" had been tortured, the rhetoric might have been toned down.

[TheCowsCameHome]

110. Rush, we've found at table big enough to hold your fat carcass, are you ready?

Oh, that's what I thought.

[Imagevision]

113. Now we need Cheney and Hannity to step up to the plate...

[George II]

115. We have to give him a lot of credit - a rightwing talk show host admitting it's torture...

....he could have waited a few minutes, pulled himself together, and refused to admit how bad it was. Maybe this will help many other rightwingers admit that it's torture.

Rightwinger or not, I now have a lot of respect for this guys.

[Mermaid7]

129. Respect for this Guy?

He was an idiot and still is an idiot.

Admit it. He was an idiot to first of all say waterboarding wasn't torture. And now after a weannie 3 seconds of it and he has proved himself absolutely wrong.

That's an idiot in my book.

Respect? So is this idiot now your hero?

[Mermaid7]

134. Hell if I could have standed 3 seconds of that, who couldn't have?

i've gone thru much worse at my dentist's office.

Who hasn't?

What he endured is about the equivalent of gargling listerene

What a douche bag!

The guy's a puffed up bag of shit. All talk,...

Hope he never has to give some head. He'll croak and go home running to Momma.

[stray cat]

118. Mancow drowned as a child and was revived - it was gutsy for him to do it and more power to him

[Cha]

130. Is that what made him

such an ugly foul mouthed idiot?

"The 42-year-old radio host is no stranger to controversy. In 2005, he was maligned for saying that then-Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean was "vile," "bloodthirsty," "evil" and "should be kicked out of America."

[donco6]

153. The more of a dick he is, the more powerful the outcome.

Who can dispute his RW assholish Republican street-cred?

[Cha]

154. True

dat.. Karma time.

[NewJeffCT]

183. He's only 42?

I remember Howard Stern hated Mancow a good 10-12 years back... Manqueer he called him.

[Gregorian]

122. So how does this affect the Geneva Conventions?

This is about justification for an illegal attack on a nonthreatening country.

The media is strutting out these Mancow stories to focus on the mechanics of the crime rather than the context of the crimes.

If Mancow had walked away laughing that the waterboarded detainees were weaklings, and that this wasn't torture, it would not change anything. So why the story? Why even misdirect the public's attention? That is the question I would have for the media.

We have something extremely serious here. If anyone has seen the footage of injured and lost pets in Iraq during the Shock and Awe, it is enough to scare the shit out of you. It did me. Now take it to the next level. Human beings being bombed out of their own lives. Mancow my ass.

[keitai]

128. I had never actually thought about it that way...

Yes, would it have mattered if Mancow walked away saying it was torture? Plus, is it news to anyone that these people are hypocrites? (though I don't think hypocrisy is a good word here) More a case of that most conservative pundits 'grace' us with opinions they know fuck all about.
I read an article once that savaged conservatives (liberals and libertarians too mind you) that summed up the conservative mindset. To paraphrase, have their son get caught with a dimebag and see how many of them are for zero tolerance. Have their daughter knocked up by a swarthy day laborer and see how many of them are pro life.
I will add a new part to that equation: Have them waterboarded and see how many are for 'enhanced interrogation'.

[zbdent]

123. strangely, more water came OUT of Mancow than went in ...

and some brown stuff, too ...

[Ken Burch]

124. A guy who calls himself "Mancow" probably deserves torture

:sarcasm:

[Cha]

126. That'll teach him

to be such an arrogant shit and diss Howard Dean.

So this is what Jesse Ventura means when he says.. with waterboarding he could get hannity to say "Obama is the greatest president of them all"?

[backscatter712]

131. YOUR TURN HANNITY!!!

You think it's nothing but a harmless frat prank? C'mon, Mancow did it before you. YOU'RE A COWARD IF YOU DON'T DO IT, HANNITY!!! YOU'LL NEVER LIVE IT DOWN!!!!

[Wetzelbill]

133. It's bad, you don't think it will be that bad, but it is nt

[tclambert]

137. So which right wing spinner is going to try the genital slicing, the electric shock,

hanging from wrist shackles, and the ever popular . . . death?

[Gman]

138. Next! Mr. Hannity, you're next. Step right up here.

[earcandle]

139. Better man than Hannity!

[peacebird]

143. "ManCow" - LOL! Pure repub - proudly calling himself MANcow, they are SO sexually confused

Last I checked COWs are female, not male....

[scarface2004]

144. can we waterboard rush limpbaw!!

for a couple of hours...now!!!

[Liberal_Christian]

156. NO! his heart wouldn't take it, or he'd just consume all the water anyway.

... BUT SEAN HANNITY... :-) he actually agreed to it! but like everything else he says, it's probably just meaningless, hollow, and false rhetoric.

[rpannier]

149. That's fine

If it takes the actual abuse to get him on board -- then good.

[Liberal_Christian]

155. PERFECT CULTURED EXAMPLE OF RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY

as soon as you interject rationalism, intelligence, sympathy, and personal experience into any faucet in the conservative ideology, the principle in question is immediately quelled ie;
-this currant economic state; proving regulation and oversight are needed as oppose to a "free" market approach
-this currant environmental state; despite the cause, everyone now realizes we need to be more environmentally conscious
-now water-boarding, so many conservatives at first calling us the "whiners" for what they now realize was rationalism

Throughout history the mentality that is known presently as "conservatism" has always chosen tradition over intelligence and has viewed intelligence as an "evil" counter to the "benevolent" tradition. The irony is that Liberals have done more for the people of this country than conservatives and the only obstacle that ever stood in the way of such progress was a conservative agenda.

[undeterred]

159. That guy is a total asshole to begin with.

[Kablooie]

162. If the conservative hosts don't want to be waterboarded, let's do it to them anyway!

[JI7]

163. "They cut off our heads" ? who the fuck is "THEY" and didn't WE Rape their 14 year old

this is what i hate about these assholes. the way they speak .

how come they don't speak that way about McVeigh and other anti govt types. anti govt types blew up a building and killed innocent people including many children.

[DailyGrind51]

164. Mancow is more Howard Stern than either Limbaugh or Hannity.

I used to listen to Mancow, before I found WCPT in Chicago, and considered him more of a libertarian "Howard Stern" than anything resembling the idiot fringe of "the right". Mancow just wants to smoke weed, get laid, and buy guns.

[InfiniteThoughts]

169. you are dead meat, mr. muller

supreme lord of your conservative universe and the holder of 274 other titles, His Highness Rush Limbaugh is going to launch a tirade against you until the time you go on his show and confess to your sins and state that the liberal media reported your behavior incorrectly ...

your time starts now ..

[moggie]

170. Mancow = Bull

He now has to live with everyone knowing he's not even averagely brave. If he's a typical wingnut, that's gotta hurt.

[Enthusiast]

172. K&R, the real story here

is how claims that "waterboarding is torture", made by Democrats, have no validity at all. It is only when he-man Republican loud mouth types agree that waterboarding is torture that these claims have validity.

Now why is that? This is simple, the corporate media plays up the 'Republicans are tough on terrorists' while 'Democrats are weak on terrorists' illusion. Just a variation on Republicans are tough on defense while Democrats are weak. Kind of a good cop bad cop thingie. Watch it, this will become apparent. This is the reason we can never get a handle on this ridiculous spending on all things military. It is mostly because of an image propped up by the MSM.

[Kleinflasche]

179. Exactly.

Waterboarding was torture before it was done to this man, and it was torture while a minor version was done to this man, and it was torture thereafter.
Americans cannot believe in anything unless an uninformed celebrity says so.

[beac]

188. I'm sure 'Waterboarding with The Stars' is already in development at Fox.

;)

But you are right. Celebrity culture is nutty in this country.

And WELCOME to DU! :hi:

[Raksha]

180. Good point!

[Liberal_Christian]

240. All part of the "Military Industrial Complex" -Eisenhower, great president

[armyowalgreens]

173. I don't even think they did it right...

It seems as though they took the more aggressive route. Instead of pouring a little bit of water on at a time and letting it soak in through the cloth, they doused his face with it. If someone were to do that to someone in custody, they would probably kill them by accident.

So it not only proves that it's torture, but it shows just how easy it is to fuck up and kill someone.

[heliarc]

176. But he was tortured to get that information...

It must be unreliable information that he thinks it's torture. He was just saying that to keep from being tortured!

[NewJeffCT]

187. The latest comment on the youtube video...

says "Waterboarding is not torture. Mancow is a pussy."

I'm sure that commenter will be next in line to get drowned via waterboarding.

[jeff30997]

199. Well that was pretty predictable.

Most of those numbskulls will say the same.They are so tough while

hiding behind their keyboard.

[sammythecat]

200. That guy makes me think George Carlin had it right

I remember Carlin doing a routine where he recommended we be allowed to shoot one asshole per month. :woohoo:

I know that doesn't fit in well with the principles and policies of DU or the Democratic Party, but I really like that idea. :)

[OneBlueDotBama]

178. Isn't that special! nt

[beac]

189. K&R! n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

190. kick and recommended for the truth !!!!

[tj2001]

192. New RW scientific finding: Waterboarding for less than 6 seconds is not torture

i.e. 83 times x 5.5 seconds is safe, effective, and patriotic.

[jeff30997]

201. Lol! The worst part is...

that it's twisted enough to be true.It's something that would

barely surprise me if I was reading it in LBN.

[Nickster]

196. Countdown until he claims that saying it was torture was taken out of context? Maybe him saying

it was torture was actually a result of him being tortured. No wait.....it was just a joke and we didn't get it because we are not conservative enough......

[Posteritatis]

239. It looked to me like he was taking pains to be explicit as possible about it (nt)

[kestrel91316]

203. K&R

[kestrel91316]

204. When do we get to waterboard Unka Dick? Seein' as how he thinks it's

no big deal and all........

[TankLV]

205. OPPSIE!

But WE - almost EVERYONE ELSE knows it's TORTURE - except for the CHICKENHAWKS...

I want to say "HA" - but I can't in this instance - GOOD FOR HIM - too bad it takes being TORTURED to "SEE THE LIGHT"...

[AngryOldDem]

207. Now if we can get Limbaugh's fat ass on the board.

Hell -- make ANYONE who claims waterboarding is the equivalent of a playful dunk in the water at the ole swimmin' hole go through it

[Sultana]

210. haha, DUMBASS!

Are you listening Rethugs?

[quiet.american]

213. Like K.O., I'll give this guy credit for actually going through w/it-and telling the truth for once.

It's clear on the video that in the interview immediately after the waterboarding, "Mancow" still is loathe to admit, just for a few seconds, that he was totally wrong, but then he is compelled by the experience to tell the truth -- and that he does lustily -- waterboarding is absolute torture.

I also give the guy credit for further exposing Hannity as an uber-chickenhawk, undergoing the experience Hannity was unwilling to do -- Mancow at least had the guts to earn Olbermann's donation check for $10,000 that will go towards helping military families, while Hannity... remains someone who should hang his head in shame, to say the least.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

214. Mancow sucks

It's no wonder terrestrial radio is in the toilet if this dickhead is considered influential in some way.

[Joe Chi Minh]

215. I expect that means, "as soon as he breathed in." The autonomic reflex

must be utterly savage.

[LaPera]

216. Who can guess what Fox News, pigman, republicans, et al, spin will be? This guy had it EASY compared

to the prisoners who really believe they are going to be drowned - The prisoners can't just quit in 6 seconds....(The right-wing republican radio clown didn't even come close to FORCED water-boarding, as prisoners receive it)....Here's the way it's really done....

"The prisoner is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individuals feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds due to the presence of the cloth… During those 20 to 40 seconds, water is continuously applied from a height of twelve to twenty-four inches. After this period, the cloth is lifted, and the individual is allowed to breathe unimpeded for three or four full breaths… The procedure may then be repeated. The water is usually applied from a canteen cup or small watering can with a spout… You have… informed us that it is likely that this procedure would not last more than twenty minutes in any one application."

[mzmolly]

217. I give him props for actually allowing himself to be

tortured for six seconds.

[sce56]

221. Apparently his followers agree to it is TORTURE! Poll results 12% No-88%Yes Torture

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html

Do you think waterboarding is torture?

1. 1 12% Nah, I could take it
2. 2 88% Yeah. If Mancow can't handle it, it must be.

The debate over whether waterboarding constitutes torture reached a fever pitch this week as re-ignited claims that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) knew as early as 2002 about waterboarding techniques being used, and former Vice President Dick Cheney and President Barack Obama gave "dueling speeches" Thursday.

Listeners had the chance to decide whether Mancow himself or his co-host, Chicago radio personality Pat Cassidy, would undergo the interrogation method during the broadcast. The voters ultimately decided Mancow would be the one donning the soaked towel and shackles, and at about 8:40 a.m., he entered a small storage room next to his studio that was compared to a "dungeon" by Cassidy.

"The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South answered, adding, "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."

With a Chicago Fire Department paramedic on hand, Mancow was placed on a 7-foot long table, his legs were elevated, and his feet were tied up.

Turns out the stunt wasn't so funny. Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.

"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke,"Mancow said, likening it to a time when he nearly drowned as a child. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "

Last year, Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens endured the same experiment -- and came to a similar conclusion. The conservative writer said he found the treatment terrifying, and was haunted by it for months afterward.

"Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture," Hitchens concluded in the article.

[Cherchez la Femme]

225. Yet another Druggie Limbo will kick out of the party

Obviously he CAN'T be a true Repuke if he dares say --'as much as he hates to'-- that waterboarding is now torture.
Heh heh heh.

As usual, we TOLD them so
but did they listen? Nooooooooooooooooooooo...


Does he think that we Americans were just making shit up when it was declared that the Japanese doing this to our servicepeople were committing Torture?
AND that they doing this called for the death penalty??

Freaking idiots.


Things will not go well for him in his party of choice... oh well, too bad, so sad:
:nopity:
:nopity:
:nopity:

& Good Riddance! Perhaps now he'll look deeper into all the RW talking points to discern their veracity rather than just being a dittohead.

But I won't hold my breath.

[BreweryYardRat]

232. He put his money where his mouth is...

...and he had enough honesty to admit he was mistaken.

More right-wing talking heads ought to follow this guy's example.

[benEzra]

233. Gotta respect him for actually submitting to it in order to back up his opinion.

I dare say that if all the other supporters of waterboarding would actually try it like this guy did, there's be a hell of a lot less support for the "waterboarding isn't torture" fraud.

[ohio2007]

234. ...but did he "talk" ? ...And what did they "get out of him" ?

Seals not impressed with his attempt imo. They should have had a navy seal team conduct the excersize after explaining a few things about waterboarding to him.
jmo

[New Dawn]

242. LOL, kick!